Margush Keeps Wanderers Level

was two average sides playing an average game of football.  We looked sexual for the first 20mins and had chances to put the game to bed.  Really having that much dominance and only coming away with one goal was the game right there.  After that Brisbane got a bit more possession and really dominated and Margush kept us in it.  Both teams introduced their subs for maximum impact and got absolutely nothing Troisi, Ibini, Mueller gave us nothing.  Why Troisi decides to chip a keeper from 6 yards out rather than put his laces through it is beyond me, he is awful. 

10 hours ago, Keithie said:

WOW Zach , amazing stories do you write drama novels ?

I would give quid's to find out why out team cam turn from fighting hard to beat Western United, beating Wollongong Wolves fair and square in a real scrap , giving Perth Glory a real spanking to 2 weeks of utter absolute crap , Zach obviously your old girl friend did not produce any of our players because non of them have got any of her attributes in them in the last 2 weeks.

why the change ?     

We don't know how to counter when other teams successfully counter our play

I guess that's the ability to adapt? I don't know. But we aren't figuring teams out on the fly, adapting and forcing our game on them. Rather we end up chasing the game when other teams figure us out. 

27 minutes ago, EmMac said:

We don't know how to counter when other teams successfully counter our play

 

For me it's because our midfielders are taking balls with their backs to our opponents goal and looking to pass back to the guy who passed it to them, and doing it multiple times instead of looking to go forward. The opposition then has all the forward men covered. Our passing from midfield has been atrocious of late.

3 hours ago, GunnerWanderer said:

The 4 at the back made little difference over 90 Mins of football. 
But at least it was tried and for all those who were calling for it, another reminder formations are but another piece of overall game play and tactics. 
 

 

it was three at the back. Aqualina and Wilmering very clearly wingbacks. Robbo only changed the formation on paper. 

13 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

What has happened to Ibini, when did he become so slow 

Ibini is still the fastest in the league, problem is it just takes him around 150 metres to reach full speed.

50 minutes ago, sonar said:

For me it's because our midfielders are taking balls with their backs to our opponents goal and looking to pass back to the guy who passed it to them, and doing it multiple times instead of looking to go forward. The opposition then has all the forward men covered. Our passing from midfield has been atrocious of late.

Its because a 433 uses the wingers to cover our WBs (Reference City pinning us back). That leaves all three of the progressed attackers covered by 2 centerbacks and 2 defensive midfielders. You cant jam the ball forward because you'll simply turn it over, or have the ball immediately returned to you. Your only real outlet is to use the wingbacks but this means you need the defensive midfielders to come close for the give and go. This becomes a bit problematic in that Baccus is struggling to be clinical and Dorrans is geared towards hitting those long balls. Recall Kilkenny in that season perth used the 532 - he was extremely strong coming in to be the near man then releasing Franjic and Davidson into space.

14 minutes ago, Upthehill said:

Its because a 433 uses the wingers to cover our WBs (Reference City pinning us back). That leaves all three of the progressed attackers covered by 2 centerbacks and 2 defensive midfielders. You cant jam the ball forward because you'll simply turn it over, or have the ball immediately returned to you. Your only real outlet is to use the wingbacks but this means you need the defensive midfielders to come close for the give and go. This becomes a bit problematic in that Baccus is struggling to be clinical and Dorrans is geared towards hitting those long balls. Recall Kilkenny in that season perth used the 532 - he was extremely strong coming in to be the near man then releasing Franjic and Davidson into space.

The last bit is key to, releasing two Socceroos into space, not two 18 year old kids (who might get there one day)

willmering has been excellent but it is a lot to have him and Russel as your main outlets

His not getting forward as the game went on was due to our midfield not holding the ball rather than any formation 

Daniel is a top class goalkeeper and a future national team player

The best player that Robinson brought in by a mile

1 minute ago, harrycripps said:

Daniel is a top class goalkeeper and a future national team player

The best player that Robinson brought in by a mile

Ziggy Gordon for me.

2 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

The last bit is key to, releasing two Socceroos into space, not two 18 year old kids (who might get there one day)

To a degree, yes. That perth team was better in literally every position.  Watch Tommy Aquilina last night, he was making the same error for the vast majority of the game. He was about 10-15m too narrow all game. The strength of that 532 is that is spreads a back 4 very thin. If you're not operating right on the touch line, you negate one of the strongest aspects. in comparison, watch Russell hug the line for 90 minutes. Occasionally he comes inside but only to create some uncertainty. Tommy wasnt able to drag the defensive mid and brisbane LB far enough wide to allow anyone to operate in the middle.

4 minutes ago, sonar said:

Ziggy Gordon for me.

True

He's a star

The bit I don’t get is we have a bunch of experienced wingers yet we play a formation with no wingers, so they are either benched or played out of position

We have 2 forwards who are good in the air yet no wingers to cross to them

that said formation wasn’t the problem last night 

not being able to pass the ball to somebody in the same coloured shirt, and a weird lack of desire was  

5 minutes ago, Upthehill said:

To a degree, yes. That perth team was better in literally every position.  Watch Tommy Aquilina last night, he was making the same error for the vast majority of the game. He was about 10-15m too narrow all game. The strength of that 532 is that is spreads a back 4 very thin. If you're not operating right on the touch line, you negate one of the strongest aspects. in comparison, watch Russell hug the line for 90 minutes. Occasionally he comes inside but only to create some uncertainty. Tommy wasnt able to drag the defensive mid and brisbane LB far enough wide to allow anyone to operate in the middle.

Great point, acqualia did seem narrow

53 minutes ago, Upthehill said:

Its because a 433 uses the wingers to cover our WBs (Reference City pinning us back). That leaves all three of the progressed attackers covered by 2 centerbacks and 2 defensive midfielders. You cant jam the ball forward because you'll simply turn it over, or have the ball immediately returned to you. Your only real outlet is to use the wingbacks but this means you need the defensive midfielders to come close for the give and go. This becomes a bit problematic in that Baccus is struggling to be clinical and Dorrans is geared towards hitting those long balls. Recall Kilkenny in that season perth used the 532 - he was extremely strong coming in to be the near man then releasing Franjic and Davidson into space.

From Galeano's book .Soccer in Sun and Shadows

Today they talk in numbers. The history of soccer in the twentieth century, a journey from daring to fear, is a trip from the 2-3-5 to the 5-4-1 by way of the 4-3-3 and the 4-2-2 [sic]. Any ignoramus could translate that much with a little help, but the rest is impossible. The manager dreams up formulas as mysterious as the Immaculate Conception, and he uses them to develop tactical schemes more indecipherable than the Holy Trinity.

 George Bernard Shaw said: “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place”.

One of us was very Cleary drunk then 

acquillna was  good 15 metres in front of a wide Ziggy the first 30 mins with Ziggy and wilmering clearly wide of tass and McGowan 

if it was a 3 at the back it clearly was different to how we normally roll 

I like Aquilina and I think he has a good future ahead of him but he is not (yet) a starter.

He would be someone I will bring in with 15 min to go and let him run at a tired defense.

Buccus is another good player who needs a couple of weeks off to get back to basics. He keeps losing possession in dangerous positions because he wants an extra dribble. It has cost us a number of goals and points (including 2 yesterday).

7 minutes ago, Ossified said:

From Galeano's book .Soccer in Sun and Shadows

Today they talk in numbers. The history of soccer in the twentieth century, a journey from daring to fear, is a trip from the 2-3-5 to the 5-4-1 by way of the 4-3-3 and the 4-2-2 [sic]. Any ignoramus could translate that much with a little help, but the rest is impossible. The manager dreams up formulas as mysterious as the Immaculate Conception, and he uses them to develop tactical schemes more indecipherable than the Holy Trinity.

 George Bernard Shaw said: “The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place”.

The immaculate conception is just fine if your disciples are Xavi the Zealot and Iniesta the Baptist.

10 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said:

 

One of us was very Cleary drunk then 

acquillna was  good 15 metres in front of a wide Ziggy the first 30 mins with Ziggy and wilmering clearly wide of tass and McGowan 

if it was a 3 at the back it clearly was different to how we normally roll 

 

 

 

That sounds very much like you're describing a back 3.

3 hours ago, Upthehill said:

That sounds very much like you're describing a back 3.

Acqualia was narrower than Russel, but otherwise it looked very much like our normal back 3. Wilmering  started very high while our midfield had control of the game (15-20 mins) after that he was pushed back as every time he went forward we’d turn it over 

The big change in formation for me was the Kamau playing central experiment 

the big worry is this team is less than the sum of its parts. “On paper” we should be smashing the likes of roar, but it ain’t on paper, we look disjointed and slow to move the ball and it’s got worse in the last two games 

19 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Acqualia was narrower than Russel, but otherwise it looked very much like our normal back 3. Wilmering  started very high while our midfield had control of the game (15-20 mins) after that he was pushed back as every time he went forward we’d turn it over 

The big change in formation for me was the Kamau playing central experiment 

 

That's exactly what I saw. It wasn't any different to normal

OK I am batting for Baccus looks like for this game because Dorrans played far worst than Baccus against the Roar in midfield. Watch Dorrans chase Champness its him jogging not chasing. The moment changed for us when Baccus got his yellow card, it was pass back to Baccus who had 3 Roar players around him with nowhere to go and that was the story for majority of the game. We got to midfield and all of a sudden no options going forward.

Robinson has only one tactic and with embarrassment of riches we have in attack its just not good enough. At this rate we will fall away from the 6 again.