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Happy with the result and effort from the players. Big turnaround.

Visa players are supposed to be better than what you can get locally. Jumpei was a waste of the +1 in the ACL and a waste of a Visa spot full stop.

There are plenty of young exciting Aussie wingers out there for much cheaper who could do the same job, if not better, than Jumpei.

12 hours ago, Harv said:

 

Castelen was certainly the most exciting of the trio to watch,  but how do you measure "far more end product"?    How often was he "feeling good and could win games on his own"?   After he "tore teams apart"and after "tearing Georgevski apart", what happened next?  Did Castelen's "far more end product" mean that his action resulted in a goal, or did it simply mean he was able to beat more players before losing the ball in a tackle or playing back to the midfield.  If someone has the records of 'assists', it would help to provide some measure, but in actual goals scored there is little between the three.

Castelen, 11 goals in 53 appearances of which 9 were in A-League matches, with 3 of these in one match Vs Roar in April, 2016.

Hersi, 8 A-League goals in 52 appearances.

Jumpei, 6 goals in 41 appearances as at end of 2016-17  season, with one extra goal this year.

Thanks for your efforts with Wanderers, Jumpei, and best wishes for your return to Japan.

 

Castelen for me was just a much more valuable player who offered more than Jumpei:

Stronger, better dribbler, more pace, better crosser, much stronger shot, could shoot with both feet, needed man marking etc.

Hersi was more comparable to Jumpei as they both had the same small stature. However Hersi was more instinctive and much more of a tenacious fighter than Jumpei was. He also had a little bit more speed and was better able to win free kicks and penalties.

But even Hersi after a while started getting knocked off the ball by larger opponents  the way Jumpei was. Difference was Hersi offered a lot more in the two years he was here. Jumpei had a good first month (we all remember him dribbling past SFC players in that first round 4-0 loss last season), but after that his contributions were minimal, and eventually he became a weak link for us. 

So his reaction in the last game when he was subbed off was bewildering. As someone said, he should have maybe looked in the mirror at his own performance.

8 hours ago, mack said:

Goals per game all competitions.

Hey!!!!

Where's Pio, and even more importantly, where's Dino!!!! 

PS Dino!  

8 hours ago, mack said:

Goals per game all competitions.

We really ought to have a look into this Bulut guy. Great stats! 

PPS I sure hope Josep can do a better job of recruiting strikers than we've had throughout our history! 

6 hours ago, JayZko said:

Why do we constantly do this over our foreign marquee striker he’s not that great every other a league clubs strikers are better then ours we’re freaken 7th 

Next time when you watch a WSW game: try and actually watch the game. The answer to your question might come to you then. 

6 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Hey!!!!

Where's Pio, and even more importantly, where's Dino!!!! 

Funny thing is they are probably our two most famous strikers 

PPPS How would our goal scorers    compare to the best that other A League teams have had - is there such a graph, Mack?

19 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

Funny thing is they are probably our two most famous strikers 

Yes.... indeed!  

In Dino's case, it was, in a way, for the wrong reasons.....but also for the right reasons (the fans' reactions to his struggles)!

His first goal is STILL my best Wanderers memory!  Sigh.

As someone who works in the field, I find it concerning the amount of non-contact, soft tissue injuries this team is sustaining on a regular basis. Makes you wonder what player management and S+C is looking like around the place these days... 

1 minute ago, hughsey said:

As someone who works in the field, I find it concerning the amount of non-contact, soft tissue injuries this team is sustaining on a regular basis. Makes you wonder what player management and S+C is looking like around the place these days... 

Aren't most of them occurring when we play at ANZ?

"A lot of self-reflection over the last couple of days for the team," Cornthwaite told Fox Sports of the fallout from last weekend's loss.

"A lot of looking in the mirror and asking ourselves, 'are we doing everything we can?'

"I think tonight the boys really rolled their sleeves up and put in a true Wanderers performance that has been missing of late.

"We could have crumbled. It was up to me and Thwaitey [Michael Thwaite] at the back to keep heads up, really rally the boys, and I think the response was fantastic."

5 minutes ago, hughsey said:

As someone who works in the field, I find it concerning the amount of non-contact, soft tissue injuries this team is sustaining on a regular basis. Makes you wonder what player management and S+C is looking like around the place these days... 

I've been thinking the same thing. We haven't seen these kind of issues since players bodies fell apart en masse after the Club World Cup in Dec 2014. 

54 minutes ago, FCB said:

Next time when you watch a WSW game: try and actually watch the game. The answer to your question might come to you then. 

Wake me when he actually gets a brace or two worthy of the a league highlight reel 

21 hours ago, MartinTyler said:

We've been 'tactically fouling' well before Gombau's arrival.

It's something that we will need to take to another level, Eastern Sydney style. When you're playing with one 6, pushing both backs high up the field and especially when Thwaite has a few cheeky runs it will leave us even more exposed than the system we had under Popa. We played a passing and possession game under Popa, but without the bodies in advanced positions it meant the opposition weren't able to break us down but we struggled to break down the opposition too and relied on individual players to pull something out of the bag.

19 hours ago, Harv said:

I, for one, will be hoping Gombau does not  follow "a system Arnold has perfected . . ."  The recent Sydney FC vs Melbourne City game was a shocker.  90 minutes of tactical/cynical fouls, constant stoppages,  with only three yellows produced in the final few minutes.  A sure way to drive spectators away.

Unfortunately, it is something that seems to have gone unnoticed by the refereeing group. You'd think that with such a small league that they would have good knowledge of the game, players & tactics so isn't difficult to identify especially considering that each game is assessed and each game is dissected foul by foul by video fed back to the referees. When you see something like the fouls per yellow card stat, it certainly raises some red flags but i guess that they have so much on there plate at the moment with issues on quality, depth & VAR that it seems to have gone unnoticed. I'm not just talking about accumulated careless fouls either, I'm talking about real cynical fouls. 

On 02/01/2018 at 11:09 AM, homerj said:

When Risdon went off, mini bacus was having trouble handling Fitzgerald. He needed more help. The Jumpei sub was a good one to get some help on the right. Although it looked like Bridge was loosing his effectiveness as the game went on. So it might have been a tough call. I thought Gambau used the last sub well.

On 02/01/2018 at 11:20 AM, Davo said:

Yeah I thought Gomabu handled things pretty well considering how his hands were tied with two forced substitutions. Bridge looked cooked with 10 mins to go and Riera was slowing down too. My guess is he'd planned on bringing in Santa for Riera and Jumpei for Bridge during the last half hour of the game. Once Jumpei came on for Cejudo early in the game it meant that at least one of Bridge and Riera were playing 90mins.

Some good observations made re:Jumps in this thread

- Agree: That two injuries meant that substitutions didn't work out as planned. He came into the game earlier.
- Agree: Oreo & Fat Head both could have been subbed at 60 minutes, Santa would have come on earlier but kept the final sub till 80th in case another injury
- Agree: Baccus was having difficulty at RB but made some errors that someone of his age/experience would be expected to make but not sure the Jumps substitution was made wholly for defensive reasons. Lets not forget Fitzgerald has been causing a lot of defenders difficulty this season & is a quality player.
- I've seen mentioned that he got muscled off the ball, in all honesty was it muscled? He ran at La Rocca and literally gave him the ball. Numerous times you just had to question what was he doing when he couldn't take on his player, he did get out muscled but mentally he seemed rock bottom confidence wise. A few times tracking back he seemed absolutely gassed unable to cover Baccus at RB (not that Santa was ever going to do that)

When I found that Jumps had been released the sub perfect sense, what better way to force someone out of the club than humiliating them? Cruel by Gombau, but from my perspective a cold & calculated that could have easily backfired:

- Humiliating sub: There is no worse indictment on a player, that not only weren't you not good enough for the starting XI but when you finally did come on that you get subbed off which reflects what the manager thought of his performance
- Honour: In the Japanese culture, respect and honour are pivotal. That would have been the worst possible moment for him at our club & if he wasn't already at rock bottom confidence wise, then that surely would have got him to that point. If he were an Australian player, I doubt he would have taken it as hard, on his confidence yes but more so Jumpei because of his heritage
- Mutual Termination: Gombau made it clear that certain players weren't part of his plan. He doesn't have the big engine to play the high intensity game in Australia let alone Gomabu's one, confidence wise rock bottom, salary cap wise 350k+, home sickness playing a part?, taking up a foreign spot, contribution on field was acceptable but never really reached the heights that a foreigner or someone on his salary demands. Throw in the fact that the Japanese season starts in a month or so, most likely he will get picked up another lower J1 club who are looking for a squaddie which is where he was when we signed him.

It would have been the final straw & something that he has been thinking about for sometime, just expedited the process.

2 hours ago, JayZko said:

Wake me when he actually gets a brace or two worthy of the a league highlight reel 

A brace is worth nothing if you lose 2:3. He is scoring, producing assists, binding two CBs, holding the ball, distributing it, back tracks, and adds extra metal in standards. In the mean time you are talking of Gibbs and dreaming of Honda Suzuki and Toyota. You wouldn't recognise a quality striker if you found him under your bed. 

If the substitution was an act to humiliate him ....than that is a dog act. Regardless of what anyone thought of Jumpei's skills he always gave a 100% and as such doesn't deserve that.

I am sure that the coach knew the 2 players that will be axed the next day and if that's the case Jumpei shouldn't have been picked at all.

People reading too much into the Jumpei sub. Its not as if he was subbed on at half time and was subbed off 20 minutes later. He came on the 10th minute due to injury, I'd hardly call that a "substitute getting subbed."

And no way it was the reason why Jumpei left. The paperwork was probably already signed before the game.

25 minutes ago, Erebus said:

People reading too much into the Jumpei sub. Its not as if he was subbed on at half time and was subbed off 20 minutes later. He came on the 10th minute due to injury, I'd hardly call that a "substitute getting subbed."

 

And no way it was the reason why Jumpei left. The paperwork was probably already signed before the game.

Could have cost us the win with his lack lustre backtracking. Nothing new here, has been poor in too many departments. 

His departure is at least 12 months overdue. 

I don't see why Gombau would want to humiliate Jumpei. He doesn't come across as that type of person. He knew he was leaving the club. He probably doesn't even know him that well. Why would he risk losing a game to humiliate a player who was leaving and he barely knew that well? He's a professional coach and he did what he thought was best at that time of the game. He probably rated him that poorly which must hurt the player confidence wise. No doubt. But I'm sure Jumpei will get over it.

6 hours ago, wendybr said:

Hey!!!!

Where's Pio, and even more importantly, where's Dino!!!! 

I originally meant it for wingers/midfielders and then put in the other players later mostly those who were around a while or scored a lot.

Dino is 0.08 which would put him with Cejudo.

Piovaccari is 0.14 putting him alongside Vidosic & Ruka.

1 hour ago, WestSyd said:

I don't see why Gombau would want to humiliate Jumpei. He doesn't come across as that type of person.

Agreed!

36 minutes ago, mack said:

I originally meant it for wingers/midfielders and then put in the other players later mostly those who were around a while or scored a lot.

Dino is 0.08 which would put him with Cejudo.

Piovaccari is 0.14 putting him alongside Vidosic & Ruka.

I was actually only joking - but thanks Mack! 

7 hours ago, Erebus said:

Visa players are supposed to be better than what you can get locally. Jumpei was a waste of the +1 in the ACL and a waste of a Visa spot full stop.

There are plenty of young exciting Aussie wingers out there for much cheaper who could do the same job, if not better, than Jumpei.

Then why are these exciting Aussie wingers not playing in Wanderers' colours.  Comes back to recruitment, and who has been  responsible for that????

6 hours ago, FCB said:

"A lot of self-reflection over the last couple of days for the team," Cornthwaite told Fox Sports of the fallout from last weekend's loss.

"A lot of looking in the mirror and asking ourselves, 'are we doing everything we can?'

"I think tonight the boys really rolled their sleeves up and put in a true Wanderers performance that has been missing of late.

"We could have crumbled. It was up to me and Thwaitey [Michael Thwaite] at the back to keep heads up, really rally the boys, and I think the response was fantastic."

8 hours ago, colhil said:

Happy with the result and effort from the players. Big turnaround.

Credit to the boys and the 11k who showed up too. Very easy after what the team dished out at Newcastle for the crowd to stay at home but those who showed up were rewarded. Not necessarily with a performance but with the players putting in some grit and application for 90 minutes. How Bridge made it to 90 minutes I'll never know. It wasn't pretty and I imagine that our season will be a rollercoaster of emotions much like most of that match. Not much to celebrate but a few highlights a long the way will be nice.

Those who stayed behind at the end, celebrated with the boys just showed how much it means to us.
Nice little applause for Jamo post match which was nice not just because he came over to acknowledge us but as the feelings were mutual too.
Nice to see Gombau wander over and to join in the celebrations post match with the players, not actively but to come over to acknowledge the fans.

Well Gombau's 'treatment' must be alot more effective than Popa's

3 hours ago, FCB said:

A brace is worth nothing if you lose 2:3. He is scoring, producing assists, binding two CBs, holding the ball, distributing it, back tracks, and adds extra metal in standards. In the mean time you are talking of Gibbs and dreaming of Honda Suzuki and Toyota. You wouldn't recognise a quality striker if you found him under your bed. 

Don’t get your panties in a knot if you actually seen a quality striker in red and black by all means stop hailing false prophets 35 year old Santalab puts this 700k tool in his place

42 minutes ago, Harv said:

Then why are these exciting Aussie wingers not playing in Wanderers' colours.  Comes back to recruitment, and who has been  responsible for that????

Jumpei is Sotirio with a Japanese passport. I think the main point was that Jumpei wasn't scoring, didn't provide much in the way of assists, and his defensive work was mediocre. You could pick pretty much any early 20's fast winger off an NPL1 club and they'd do as well as Jumpei did.