Minutemen Blitz Melbourne City

Am really hoping this can be a turning point game.

The team selection with baccus, corny and riera all starting and herd back in squad maybe shows that some fences have been mended. The style of play seemed to have elements of the old and new to me although its hard to get a decent read on anything from the active bay at anz.

Am hoping that we have turned a bit of a corner.  Comp is wide open outside of the smurfs i think we have the players to match any of the chasing pack. We will see......

25 minutes ago, Harv said:

Jumpei has copped a lot of criticism over this game, mainly, it seems because of his lack of support for Baby Baccus when he moved to the right back position.  Anti-Jumpei posters seem to overlook the fact that MC were equally effective down their right flank.  In the first half, Llorente, Roly and Bridge worked well together but by the 70-minute mark, Bridge was bushed, Roly nowhere to be seen, Llorente exposed and Atkinson was having a field day.  We were saved time and again by desperate defence and Arzani's inability to stay onside.  With Jumpei still able to run at the defence, perhaps Bridge was the better option for the substitution. (not that Santalab was any more successful stopping Fitzgerald and Jamieson when he replaced Jumpei).  Had Jumpei's attempt from a tight angle gone in instead of hitting the post in the first half, he would be hailed as a hero, rather than the current whipping boy.

Yes he would have been a hero, but it didn’t go in, he lashed it into the side netting..

I don’t consider myself a Jumpei hater but 

- He takes up a foriegn spot and we have local players to run really fast and lose the ball with no end product

- Because he does a fancy step over and nutmeg every few weeks people seem to think he is a good player

- Guy near me spent whole game giving Bridge **** and went berserk when Jumpei was taken off. That goal bridge scored is exactly what Jumpei doesn’t do a composed finish 

- He was nowhere to be seen second half in attack or defence

Have a look at some of the non marquee foreign atackers around the league (especially as Jumpei is on decent money was put down as marquee last year) 

If we are going to challenge then we need to upgrade

1 hour ago, ZachMercer said:

I reckon Jumpei is definitely on the out with Gombau.

LOL- in the light of the most recent news.

And maybe the feeling was mutual?

After posting the above I feel a bit bad. **** way to go out being subbed as a sub in your last game, no chance to say goodbye.

like I say he I wouldn’t say I’m a hater, he always looked like he gave a toss. But sadly not good enough to warrant a foreign spot on ok money. Especially if you compare to likes of Leroy George 

20 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

Am really hoping this can be a turning point game.

The team selection with baccus, corny and riera all starting and herd back in squad maybe shows that some fences have been mended. The style of play seemed to have elements of the old and new to me although its hard to get a decent read on anything from the active bay at anz.

Am hoping that we have turned a bit of a corner.  Comp is wide open outside of the smurfs i think we have the players to match any of the chasing pack. We will see......

Early days, but it's good to see you, FCB and a few others a bit more optimistic. Lloydy. 

In Gombau We Trust... cmon @lloydy136 we might as well join the cult. I’ve bought a couple of tambourines

1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

In Gombau We Trust... cmon @lloydy136 we might as well join the cult. I’ve bought a couple of tambourines

It's a satanic cult, (tambourines are banned, bagpipes are acceptable) ... Gombau's,he's evil you know.......lol

14 hours ago, lloydy136 said:

lost my **** when he didn't give a card to malik when he scythed down roly when we countered and then a minute later gave roly a card for brushing their guy to stop a counter.

You and me both, I got looks from people around me  

Did you see Roly’s knee in the replay? Very lucky he didn’t do an ACL, went sideways. Lucky boy.

You look at where the foul was committed and compare it to the foul on him by Malik, mind numbing in its idiocy. Kamau tried to do something similar on Thwaite but ends up worse off, maybe due to the injury he forgot to hand out the yellow. I just....

14 hours ago, lloydy136 said:

2. I absolutely hate the tactical fouling that gombau's  teams do. We did it heaps today and it just kills the flow of the game. It is effective but frustrating.

The reason? If you press & play so high up the field with so many players, you’ll get murdered on the counter. It’s something that we will become more of our play.

The key? 

This is what Sydney FC do so well, so many tactical fouls yet seem to escape punishment time after time. They slow down the play while there own players are up the field, allowing there own players to drop in behind the ball, not just slows down the game but hard for the opposition to break them down.

Something that Gombau will be trying to achieve, a system that Arnold has perfected over a number of seasons now.

We've been 'tactically fouling' well before Gombau's arrival.

That graph lol. No there is no sfc bias not at all!

How you get away with it is where you foul.  do it right after you lose the ball in your attacking third before the counter gets going and you rarely get carded.

Yeah because that's totally how it worked last night lol.

Well thats the idea anyway. **** refs are a spanner in the works

1 hour ago, Harv said:

Jumpei has copped a lot of criticism over this game, mainly, it seems because of his lack of support for Baby Baccus when he moved to the right back position.  Anti-Jumpei posters seem to overlook the fact that MC were equally effective down their right flank.  In the first half, Llorente, Roly and Bridge worked well together but by the 70-minute mark, Bridge was bushed, Roly nowhere to be seen, Llorente exposed and Atkinson was having a field day.  We were saved time and again by desperate defence and Arzani's inability to stay onside.  With Jumpei still able to run at the defence, perhaps Bridge was the better option for the substitution. (not that Santalab was any more successful stopping Fitzgerald and Jamieson when he replaced Jumpei).  Had Jumpei's attempt from a tight angle gone in instead of hitting the post in the first half, he would be hailed as a hero, rather than the current whipping boy.

Agreed Jumpei had one of his better games last night offering more than cejudo usually does  .Unlike his excellent performances in the middlle  Baby Baccus was awful at right back hardly jumpei's fault that his positioning was so bad . 

Thanks for the effort Jumpei but unfortunately was not good enough and hopefully that makes space for an attacking winger that can actually  score and assist .

16 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

That graph lol. No there is no sfc bias not at all!

How you get away with it is where you foul.  do it right after you lose the ball in your attacking third before the counter gets going and you rarely get carded.

You also have to make look like it is accidental and it is just two players getting tangled up. Brosque and Ryan Grant do it best, and other SFC players are also fairly subtle at it.

One other factor is that SFC are the fittest team in the comp. So they don't just hack the legs from behind in a desperate lunge tackle. That will always get you a yellow. They will chase and chase and get the attacking player off balance until he falls over and it stops the play. This never looks as bad, and refs will be lenient as they see it as just a tangle of players.

It is up to our players to get fitter. We need to get a more advanced fitness and conditioning department to look after the players if we are to compete in this dept.

1 minute ago, TheSweeper said:

Agreed Jumpei had one of his better games last night offering more than cejudo usually does  .Unlike his excellent performances in the middlle  Baby Baccus was awful at right back hardly jumpei's fault that his positioning was so bad . 

Thanks for the effort Jumpei but unfortunately was not good enough and hopefully that makes space for an attacking winger that can actually  score and assist .

Jumpei was being monstered by defenders most of the time. He was never going to stand out in this comp. Cejudo is one of those guys who has enough touch and skill, that you think he will eventually begin to put in better performances once he adjusts to the physicality of this league.

1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

After posting the above I feel a bit bad. **** way to go out being subbed as a sub in your last game, no chance to say goodbye.

like I say he I wouldn’t say I’m a hater, he always looked like he gave a toss. But sadly not good enough to warrant a foreign spot on ok money. Especially if you compare to likes of Leroy George 

None of our current foreing players compare to Leroy George. That is pretty harsh on Jumpei, he always gave 110%, agreed not with great results but he never stopped trying unlike someone like Roly.

We remembered how to defend , Reira and Janjetovic also key

50 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

 

lol! Holy shizzz... i had to look at this for a while to see where ESFC were

1 minute ago, teddies said:

lol! Holy shizzz... i had to look at this for a while to see where ESFC were

Same here......but not surprised....I bet there will be a similar graph for penalties as well

31 minutes ago, TheSweeper said:

Agreed Jumpei had one of his better games last night offering more than cejudo usually does  .Unlike his excellent performances in the middlle  Baby Baccus was awful at right back hardly jumpei's fault that his positioning was so bad . 

Thanks for the effort Jumpei but unfortunately was not good enough and hopefully that makes space for an attacking winger that can actually  score and assist .

2 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

Yes he would have been a hero, but it didn’t go in, he lashed it into the side netting..

I don’t consider myself a Jumpei hater but 

- He takes up a foriegn spot and we have local players to run really fast and lose the ball with no end product

- Because he does a fancy step over and nutmeg every few weeks people seem to think he is a good player

- Guy near me spent whole game giving Bridge **** and went berserk when Jumpei was taken off. That goal bridge scored is exactly what Jumpei doesn’t do a composed finish 

- He was nowhere to be seen second half in attack or defence

Have a look at some of the non marquee foreign atackers around the league (especially as Jumpei is on decent money was put down as marquee last year) 

If we are going to challenge then we need to upgrade

 

 

Not entirely disagreeing with you StringerBellend,  but merely pointing out the fractional difference between hero and zero, and that Jumpei seems to be this week's whipping boy, despite the fact that we were no better at closing down MC's attack down their right, and that a refreshed  Santalab made no difference to Baccus's woes when he replaced Jumpei,  Last week the comments were anti-Gombau, the week before, anti-Riera (Now, suddenly, the best striker we have ever recruited).  Sadly, Jumpei follows the line of right-side attackers we have had over the years (Castalen, Hersi) who could bring the crowd to its feet, only to have us sit down with a groan after their efforts came to nothing..  The problem, as you suggest, comes down to recruitment which is why the "non-marquee attackers" you speak about are not at Wanderers.  I look to Gombau (the guy many of you were rubbishing only a week ago) to correct this problem.

6 hours ago, SomeGuy1977 said:

 

We seemed to clock off around the 60 min mark (you can almost set your watch to it these days), but fortunately City didn't really offer much. Arzani could have been trouble against slow, tired backs, but he offered little and was contained well (especially by the Corn).

 

I thought we clocked off about the 40th min....but as said by others earlier winners are grinners

I'm personally glad to see the back of Jumpei...he was Castelan 2.0 without the 15/16 finals series imho - flashy but ultimately just wasteful

Brilliant minute. We looked Madrid.

1 hour ago, Prydzopolis said:

You and me both, I got looks from people around me  

Did you see Roly’s knee in the replay? Very lucky he didn’t do an ACL, went sideways. Lucky boy.

You look at where the foul was committed and compare it to the foul on him by Malik, mind numbing in its idiocy. Kamau tried to do something similar on Thwaite but ends up worse off, maybe due to the injury he forgot to hand out the yellow. I just....

 

The reason? If you press & play so high up the field with so many players, you’ll get murdered on the counter. It’s something that we will become more of our play.

The key? 

This is what Sydney FC do so well, so many tactical fouls yet seem to escape punishment time after time. They slow down the play while there own players are up the field, allowing there own players to drop in behind the ball, not just slows down the game but hard for the opposition to break them down.

Something that Gombau will be trying to achieve, a system that Arnold has perfected over a number of seasons now.

I, for one, will be hoping Gombau does not  follow "a system Arnold has perfected . . ."  The recent Sydney FC vs Melbourne City game was a shocker.  90 minutes of tactical/cynical fouls, constant stoppages,  with only three yellows produced in the final few minutes.  A sure way to drive spectators away.

1 hour ago, Harv said:

 

Not entirely disagreeing with you StringerBellend,  but merely pointing out the fractional difference between hero and zero, and that Jumpei seems to be this week's whipping boy, despite the fact that we were no better at closing down MC's attack down their right, and that a refreshed  Santalab made no difference to Baccus's woes when he replaced Jumpei,  Last week the comments were anti-Gombau, the week before, anti-Riera (Now, suddenly, the best striker we have ever recruited).  Sadly, Jumpei follows the line of right-side attackers we have had over the years (Castalen, Hersi) who could bring the crowd to its feet, only to have us sit down with a groan after their efforts came to nothing..  The problem, as you suggest, comes down to recruitment which is why the "non-marquee attackers" you speak about are not at Wanderers.  I look to Gombau (the guy many of you were rubbishing only a week ago) to correct this problem.

I agree Jumpei was the latest in a line of frustrating wingers but he was by far the least effective 

As frustrating as Castelan was he had far more end product that Jumpei. On his day castelan tore teams apart. The victory game were he tore georgevski apart is still one of my favourite wanderers games.

I remember Kenny Lowe being asked the player in league he feared most and he answered castelan. 

As for hersi, we won pretty much every game he played.

Even Ruka was more effective than Jumpei 

6 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

I agree Jumpei was the latest in a line of frustrating wingers but he was by far the least effective 

As frustrating as Castelan was he had far more end product that Jumpei. On his day castelan tore teams apart. The victory game were he tore georgevski apart is still one of my favourite wanderers games.

I remember Kenny Lowe being asked the player in league he feared most and he answered castelan. 

As for hersi, we won pretty much every game he played.

Even Ruka was more effective than Jumpei 

 

 

I know Castelen was inconsistent for most of his time here. But when he was on his day, Jumpei couldn't even do a quarter of the damage that Castelen was able to do. With Castelen you had to hope he was feeling good and he could win you games on his own.

2 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

I agree Jumpei was the latest in a line of frustrating wingers but he was by far the least effective 

As frustrating as Castelan was he had far more end product that Jumpei. On his day castelan tore teams apart. The victory game were he tore georgevski apart is still one of my favourite wanderers games.

I remember Kenny Lowe being asked the player in league he feared most and he answered castelan. 

As for hersi, we won pretty much every game he played.

Even Ruka was more effective than Jumpei 

 

 

2 hours ago, WestSyd said:

I know Castelen was inconsistent for most of his time here. But when he was on his day, Jumpei couldn't even do a quarter of the damage that Castelen was able to do. With Castelen you had to hope he was feeling good and he could win you games on his own.

Castelen was certainly the most exciting of the trio to watch,  but how do you measure "far more end product"?    How often was he "feeling good and could win games on his own"?   After he "tore teams apart"and after "tearing Georgevski apart", what happened next?  Did Castelen's "far more end product" mean that his action resulted in a goal, or did it simply mean he was able to beat more players before losing the ball in a tackle or playing back to the midfield.  If someone has the records of 'assists', it would help to provide some measure, but in actual goals scored there is little between the three.

Castelen, 11 goals in 53 appearances of which 9 were in A-League matches, with 3 of these in one match Vs Roar in April, 2016.

Hersi, 8 A-League goals in 52 appearances.

Jumpei, 6 goals in 41 appearances as at end of 2016-17  season, with one extra goal this year.

Thanks for your efforts with Wanderers, Jumpei, and best wishes for your return to Japan.

Hersi does not belong in a conversation with castelan and jumpei. 

Hersi scored goals , provided assists  , won penalties and made great tackles .

Castelan and Jumpei couldn't shoot or pass or tackle although both could beat a man without any discernible end product . Castelan did shade it slightly due to a couple of outstanding games . 

Popa made a huge mistake by not getting rid if jumpei after last season . Everyone of the 20000 members new he wasn't going to get better . Must have been his love child from his playing days in Japan. 

Goals per game all competitions.

Castelen doesn’t belong in the jumpei conversation castelen started playing out of this world football and we got rid of him jumpei is just **** 

Why do we constantly do this over our foreign marquee striker he’s not that great every other a league clubs strikers are better then ours we’re freaken 7th