Perth Break Losing Streak With VAR Help

we were never going anywhere but Olympic Park.

deal with it.

suck it up.

new parra in a few years.

13 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

The worst thing about this season and our results is that we are subjected to ANOTHER season after this at Sydney Olympic Park.

I'm just not sure how many of our fans will be able to tolerate it. I'll be there through thick and thin but I think I'll be in the less than 50% minority who see us through another season at that shithole.

I appreciate that we are getting a brilliant new stadium, but my fear is, if the club does not do something about our on field results soon, we will be going back to Parra starting from a very low supporter base again. That would be just devastating.  

We should be waltzing back there to full houses.

Homebush has been a complete disaster.

I totally agree, which for mine is why it is important that the club get its act together on field soon

I do wonder though if we were winning and playing good football would it be as bad at SoP. It would still be bad but as bad?

Ill be there win or lose. But majority of people go when their team is winning.

How many would still be going to SoP If we were getting the Smurf’s results? 

Or looking at it the other way how many will people come to parra if we continue to get central coast results?  The old parra was brilliant but there was plenty of low crowds in the dark days of season 3

For the first time ever, I am seriously considering not going to the next derby. Ticket prices, crap scheduling, crap performances, crap game at the moment. Crap everything...heads need to roll

The reverence and faith people have in gombau baffles me.

We have shown absolutely no progress in 3 months. Zero.

1 hour ago, FCB said:

WSW had lost a S1 warm up game against Sydney United. Popa just about tore the players' heads post game in the locker room.

That was an interesting night. SU's goal was a dive in the box to win a penalty, and later in the game the United supporters let off a firecracker and had the entire police force come down on them.

1 minute ago, lloydy136 said:

The reverence and faith people have in gombau baffles me.

We have shown absolutely no progress in 3 months. Zero.

I’m starting to think the worse it gets the less people see it as his fault.

Each dreadful performance reinforces the view that it is Popa’s bad squad and given his own squad it will be fine. 

I’m just asking for some sort of sign of progress. The nearest to one I have seen is Unlimited finally got some action, maybe we can attribute it to the big mans philosophy 

4 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

The reverence and faith people have in gombau baffles me.

We have shown absolutely no progress in 3 months. Zero.

The majority of our players have been dreadful. If I was doing a half-season rating, I'd give Riera a 7 and everyone else would be between 0 and 6.

3 minutes ago, mack said:

The majority of our players have been dreadful. If I was doing a half-season rating, I'd give Riera a 7 and everyone else would be between 0 and 6.

So the coach bears no responsibility for this?

11 minutes ago, mack said:

That was an interesting night. SU's goal was a dive in the box to win a penalty, and later in the game the United supporters let off a firecracker and had the entire police force come down on them.

The good old days :-)

5 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

So the coach bears no responsibility for this?

The coach can only do so much. The players are the ones on the field playing the game. 

5 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

So the coach bears no responsibility for this?

I recall Bayern at the beginning of the season, team and players being all over the shop under Ancelotti. Injury prone. Lacking fitness. Key players under performing and being unhappy with the coach's team selection and tactics. The results were accordingly. Along came Heynckes, and the whole thing changed as soon as he took over.

Sometimes coaches and their philosophies are just not compatible with a club.

7 minutes ago, mack said:

The coach can only do so much. The players are the ones on the field playing the game. 

So no coach should ever get sacked then?

Come on mack. Gombau has made an absolute hash of this on a number of levels. The proof is ultimately in the football which has been rubbish and not improving.

My problem with this is the players (and coach himself) have almost been given a green light to lose. Don’t they call it ‘tanking’ in AFL? I have never believed in writing off a season. Play the way you want to play, but play to win for your supporters. 

25 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

So no coach should ever get sacked then?

Come on mack. Gombau has made an absolute hash of this on a number of levels. The proof is ultimately in the football which has been rubbish and not improving.

That's a strawman argument. Nowhere did I say no coach should ever be sacked.

Gombau didn't recruit this team. He didn't get a pre-season. He has a squad full of massively underperforming players he inherited from Popovic. Gombau could play 5-4-1 or 4-5-1 or 3-4-3 or 4-4-2, he could scrap the "system" and "process" entirely and pump long balls to Riera all game and I don't think it would have a marked difference on the performances.

We have Cejudo the constantly injured foreign marquee winger whose contributions have been 1 goal and 2 assists. He's only put in 2 accurate crosses all season, only put 8 shots on target and his passing accuracy in the opposition half is a dismal 63%.

Roly who was Popa's key attacking midfield signing, has 1 goal and 1 assist. 7 shots on target. Been suspended already once for yellow cards.

Our best player (Riera) is a striker who is being let down by the players around him. If he was playing for SFC he could have 20 goals by now.

Josh Risdon was recruited as a current national team player but he's going to play himself out of a World Cup spot the way he's going. Popa spent years chasing Thwaite and eventually picked him up as a soon to be 35 year old well past his prime. Popa has also made some baffling choices in player retention. Hamill & Sotirio are proven failures. Yet Popa kept giving them new contracts.

I think a lot of people underestimate the difficulty of what Gombau has to do, and how much of an impact the choices he can make can have on players who are underperforming.

9 minutes ago, mack said:

That's a strawman argument. Nowhere did I say no coach should ever be sacked.

Gombau didn't recruit this team. He didn't get a pre-season. He has a squad full of massively underperforming players he inherited from Popovic.

Mack,

No manager who comes in during the season had a chance to recruit their team, or had a pre-season. Yet they are expected to perform, produce results, with an existing group of players. Somehow with Gombau this is different. Why? How much pre-season does he need, then? 18 months like Jumpei?

Considering that "massively underperforming players" had the coaching group ripped from underneath them days before the season kicked off they did very well - under Foxe.

The stats you are producing are drawing an accurate picture of the Gombau area so far. Why are the players not fit enough to play 90 minutes of football? How come that they are experiencing soft tissue injuries?

If a manager is not able to put a team together based on the player's strengths, but instead exposes and emphasizes their weaknesses during the game (Hamill!) then he is not much of a manager.

I don’t think anyone is doubting it’s not josep’s team but no one put a gun to his head to take the job if he really didn’t like the squad of players why take the job in the first place

At seems there is no point in Josep’s mind should he alter his ‘process’ to try and win now 

yes the players have underperformed but isn’t that what the coach is paid to do get the maximum out of them? Everyone is to blame in this debacle players, manager and the board

the only blameless person is Mack the forum has had a smashing season! 

1 hour ago, mack said:

That's a strawman argument. Nowhere did I say no coach should ever be sacked.

Gombau didn't recruit this team. He didn't get a pre-season. He has a squad full of massively underperforming players he inherited from Popovic. Gombau could play 5-4-1 or 4-5-1 or 3-4-3 or 4-4-2, he could scrap the "system" and "process" entirely and pump long balls to Riera all game and I don't think it would have a marked difference on the performances.

We have Cejudo the constantly injured foreign marquee winger whose contributions have been 1 goal and 2 assists. He's only put in 2 accurate crosses all season, only put 8 shots on target and his passing accuracy in the opposition half is a dismal 63%.

Roly who was Popa's key attacking midfield signing, has 1 goal and 1 assist. 7 shots on target. Been suspended already once for yellow cards.

Our best player (Riera) is a striker who is being let down by the players around him. If he was playing for SFC he could have 20 goals by now.

Josh Risdon was recruited as a current national team player but he's going to play himself out of a World Cup spot the way he's going. Popa spent years chasing Thwaite and eventually picked him up as a soon to be 35 year old well past his prime. Popa has also made some baffling choices in player retention. Hamill & Sotirio are proven failures. Yet Popa kept giving them new contracts.

I think a lot of people underestimate the difficulty of what Gombau has to do, and how much of an impact the choices he can make can have on players who are underperforming.

Hayden Foxe must be an aussie alex Ferguson then because he had us very competitive with all these rubbish players.

If lack of quality is our problem why did we chase away corny? Why is baccus out of the squad. They are both above average a-league players who we have discarded with no replacement.

Aside from baccus jr every one of our players was better under foxe. What does that tell you?

7 minutes ago, GunnerWanderer said:

I don’t think anyone is doubting it’s not josep’s team but no one put a gun to his head to take the job if he really didn’t like the squad of players why take the job in the first place

At seems there is no point in Josep’s mind should he alter his ‘process’ to try and win now 

yes the players have underperformed but isn’t that what the coach is paid to do get the maximum out of them? Everyone is to blame in this debacle players, manager and the board

the only blameless person is Mack the forum has had a smashing season! 

Gunner,

I have to keep going back to the Nov 1st press conference, when Gombau was unveiled. It was a day after the attempt to sign Dirk Schuster fell through - that's how much of a Plan A Gombau was.

Looking at Lederer's and Gombau's comments, the were both kidding themselves. Big time. I doubt that JT is still as excited as he was three months ago. If the club wants to be the best then Gombau so far has failed big time.

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“We took our time and without question Gombau is the best man for the job,” Lederer said this morning.

“He fits us in terms of style of football, what he believes his types of training. Gombau is part of our vision.”

Gombau said he wants the Wanderers to begin playing an attacking style of football, and believes the team he has inherited fits that mould of football.

“I want to play attacking football and be attacking always. For me, the football I like is when you score a lot of goals,” says Gombau.

“I think we have the perfect players in the squad for this attacking style.”

Wanderers CEO John Tsatsimas said Gombau will be getting the same support as outgoing coach Tony Popovic did, and says the appointment of Gombau is exciting for the club.

“Josep will be getting the same support that Popa got,” Tsatsimas says.

“It’s a very exciting time for the club, and this club wants to be the best.”

18 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

Hayden Foxe must be an aussie alex Ferguson then because he had us very competitive with all these rubbish players.

If lack of quality is our problem why did we chase away corny? Why is baccus out of the squad. They are both above average a-league players who we have discarded with no replacement.

Aside from baccus jr every one of our players was better under foxe. What does that tell you?

 

Foxe saw us get a bunch of mediocre draws where we couldn't hold on after an hour, and kicked out of the FFA Cup. Cornthwaite & Baccus aren't above average.

I posted recently about how neither Arnold, Ange, not Muscat managed to take over and immediately start winning with their clubs.

If you want immediate success with a new coach in the A-League you're expecting too much.

Not excpecting immediate success. Just some signs of progress.

Gombau is going to be the fall guy between Popa and whoever comes in next to take us forward, following Popa was always going to be hard for whoever came in, especially so in the circumstances and timing of it all.....

3 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

Gombau is going to be the fall guy between Popa and whoever comes in next to take us forward, following Popa was always going to be hard for whoever came in, especially so in the circumstances and timing of it all.....

 

Are you saying that you don't think Gombau will last? 

Gombau is the rebound coach

3 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

Are you saying that you don't think Gombau will last? 

I don't think he will be successful, but hope to be proved wrong. I think someone else will take us forward in the new stadium and it may be easier for them. Feel for Gambau because it was a **** time to take over, bit like Moyes at Man United lol

2 minutes ago, theguyyouwishyouwere said:

Gombau is the rebound coach

That is funny, especially as he is not the most attractive guy lol.

21 minutes ago, mack said:

Foxe saw us get a bunch of mediocre draws where we couldn't hold on after an hour, and kicked out of the FFA Cup. Cornthwaite & Baccus aren't above average.

I posted recently about how neither Arnold, Ange, not Muscat managed to take over and immediately start winning with their clubs.

If you want immediate success with a new coach in the A-League you're expecting too much.

Depends what you consider "immediate success". We were competitive under Foxe, and turned to shite under Gombau. Foxe, with the support of one or two competent assistants, could have been our Muscat.

You defend one incoming coach, and diminish the other. Foxe saw us win the first ever Rd1 game. Had it not been for Gillet we would have won the Allianz derby. Not bad for an assistant is his very first gig as head coach.

Back in 2013/14 both VIC and Mariners lost their respective coaches early in the season, which can be compared with what we copped in October. The assistants took over, and the teams remained competitive, come 3rd and 4th. Much less can be said about Gombau.

2 minutes ago, FCB said:

Depends what you consider "immediate success". We were competitive under Foxe, and turned to shite under Gombau. Foxe, with the support of one or two competent assistants, could have been our Muscat.

You defend one incoming coach, and diminish the other. Foxe saw us win the first ever Rd1 game. Had it not been for Gillet we would have won the Allianz derby. Not bad for an assistant is his very first gig as head coach.

Back in 2013/14 both VIC and Mariners lost their respective coaches early in the season, which can be compared with what we copped in October. The assistants took over, and the teams remained competitive, come 3rd and 4th. Much less can be said about Gombau.

 

Foxe could have been our Muscat, just lol  See Macks comments on the previous page for my views on Foxe as I am in line with that.

Foxe was the pizza boy or the witches hats collector 

Under foxe we played better football, were MUCH more competitive and there was less player unrest than under gombau.

26 minutes ago, FCB said:

Back in 2013/14 both VIC and Mariners lost their respective coaches early in the season, which can be compared with what we copped in October. The assistants took over, and the teams remained competitive, come 3rd and 4th. Much less can be said about Gombau.

Phil Moss had a Championship winning team from 12/13 that he inherited from Arnie at CCM, he was sacked the next season. Clayton Zane at NJ and Rado Vidosic at Brisbane (there are others too) say otherwise.

5 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

Under foxe we played better football, were MUCH more competitive and there was less player unrest than under gombau.

Foxe stuck to the same playing style (that they'd played all pre season) as Popa and was void of ideas when we went behind or the opposition drew level in every game after the first one.