Perth Break Losing Streak With VAR Help

2 minutes ago, Carns said:

Phil Moss at CCM was sacked the next season, Clayton Zane at NJ and Rado Vidosic at Brisbane (there are others too) say otherwise.

Foxe stuck to the same playing style (that they'd played all pre season) as Popa and was void of ideas when we went behind or the opposition drew level in every game after the first one.

At least we didn't get hammered by big scorelines.

2 minutes ago, tardotz said:

At least we didn't get hammered by big scorelines.

Agreed. Gombau is the complete antithesis of Popa (attacking vs. defensive) and needs to be more pragmatic. But as mack said our players have also been pretty shite (bar a few exceptions).

Losing 5-0, 4-0, 3-0 etc. is unacceptable.

I have to remind myself on a weekly basis that (in my eyes) the season was a write off as soon as Popa left.

2 minutes ago, Carns said:

Phil Moss at CCM after Arnie, Clayton Zane at NJ and Rado Vidosic at Brisbane (there are others too) say otherwise.

Foxe stuck to the same playing style (that they'd played all pre season) as Popa and was void of ideas when we went behind or the opposition drew level in every game after the first one.

Regarding Moss - check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_A-League#Managerial_changes

Some people suggested that we were not the same any longer once Ante left, which would emphasize the importance of the assistant coaches. One could equally say that Muscat would not be much chop without Jean-Paul de Marigny. What I am trying to say is that, with Foxe in charge, the WSW DNA would have remained in tact, and one or two assistant coaches together with him could have formed a functional coaching group, WSW style. We'll never know.

Instead we have this Gombau-inspired race to the bottom.

Just now, FCB said:

Regarding Moss - check this out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013–14_A-League#Managerial_changes

Some people suggested that we were not the same any longer once Ante left, which would emphasize the importance of the assistant coaches. One could equally say that Muscat would not be much chop without Jean-Paul de Marigny. What I am trying to say is that, with Foxe in charge, the WSW DNA would have remained in tact, and one or two assistant coaches together with him could have formed a functional coaching group, WSW style. We'll never know.

Instead we have this Gombau-inspired race to the bottom.

 

So you're suggesting that Foxe would've won us trophies? Is a functional coaching group a title winning group?

I agree that we lost a lot when Milicic left. We won the ACL not long afterwards and haven't won anything since.

For the record, I am not expecting trophies from Gumby, but I do know that we needed a fresh start (maybe this is not what we necessarily needed, of course). Popa was great, but it was time for someone else (my preference was Milicic). In the few weeks we had Foxe, I didn't see much to give me the confidence he was the man for the job. Admittedly, so far, haven't seen much of that from Gumby either.

1 minute ago, lloydy136 said:

Under foxe we played better football, were MUCH more competitive and there was less player unrest than under gombau.

Under foxe, people on here were criticising that he made the wrong substitutions or held off making them too late, resulting in us getting a draw not a win. I dream of that being the problem now. 

13 games of gombau in and we are total shambles, yet the worse it gets the more it isn’t his fault. Its the poor squad or var or an ffa consiparacy or SoP..

If foxe had done as badly as this people would be asking for him to be run out of town 

1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

Under foxe, people on here were criticising that he made the wrong substitutions or held off making them too late, resulting in us getting a draw not a win. I dream of that being the problem now. 

13 games of gombau in and we are total shambles, yet the worse it gets the more it isn’t his fault. Its the poor squad or var or an ffa consiparacy or SoP..

If foxe had done as badly as this people would be asking for him to be run out of town 

 

 

Foxe wasn't the answer at the time, as much as we loved Popa people were a bit weary of his set up and style and looking for something a bit different,. I don't think Foxe would have been any better than mid table now and you guys would have been here crucifying the club for not being ambitious enough and looking elsewhere, we will never know of course.

It is a combination of new manager, squad under performing (and no I don't believe totally Gombau's fault on that, a good few players need to take a long hard look at themselves), players not good enough as I don't think Popa's recruitment was good enough again and also the SoP **** storm sucking all life and atmosphere out of this club.

Gombau has been set up like a bastard and is on a hiding to **** all I think, I think anyone who took the job at the point it was available would have been, including Foxe eventually.

Gombau will make it easier for the next guy coming in and will clear the way for that lol

2 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Under foxe, people on here were criticising that he made the wrong substitutions or held off making them too late, resulting in us getting a draw not a win. I dream of that being the problem now. 

13 games of gombau in and we are total shambles, yet the worse it gets the more it isn’t his fault. Its the poor squad or var or an ffa consiparacy or SoP..

If foxe had done as badly as this people would be asking for him to be run out of town 

 

 

Foxe was starting to be worked out by opposition coaches. I think he was fortunate at that time he was in charge that many other coaches did not know much about him. He was able to fly under the radar so to speak.

I think a few more months would have tested him. He would have copped one or two beltings himself, and more than likely begin to slide down the table.

12 minutes ago, Carns said:

So you're suggesting that Foxe would've won us trophies? Is a functional coaching group a title winning group?

I agree that we lost a lot when Milicic left. We won the ACL not long afterwards and haven't won anything since.

For the record, I am not expecting trophies from Gumby, but I do know that we needed a fresh start (maybe this is not what we necessarily needed, of course). Popa was great, but it was time for someone else (my preference was Milicic). In the few weeks we had Foxe, I didn't see much to give me the confidence he was the man for the job. Admittedly, so far, haven't seen much of that from Gumby either.

No, all I am suggesting is that a more pragmatic coaching group would have spared us the chaos we find ourselves in right now.

I am expecting that a WSW side will show up like a leader, play competitive football, and don't present themselves like the shambles we are right now. Up until November "We are Wanderers" meant something. 

When Muscat took over from Ange I thought he'd last five minutes, and he had a rocky start. But he had the club's support, and it all came good. Us, in contrast, we are in "transition" at best, and a "process of disintegration" at worst.

No idea why the Gombau appreciation society thinks that he is a good match for WSW. Unless I am watching other games than everyone else, his appointment was a total and utter misunderstanding.

Also in situations like this a new manager comes in, only the second in our history and tries to make changes, it will only be down the line after he has gone that we will appreciate how hard this period was and that I don't think it would have mattered who was appointed.

Arguing between Foxe and Gombau shows what a shite situation this is how big a impact it was Popa leaving when he did. Even if Popa left straight away at the end of a season I think culturally it would have been very difficult for anyone to come to WSW as the second manager and get things right straight away.

2 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

Also in situations like this a new manager comes in, only the second in our history and tries to make changes, it will only be down the line after he has gone that we will appreciate how hard this period was and that I don't think it would have mattered who was appointed.

Arguing between Foxe and Gombau shows what a shite situation this is how big a impact it was Popa leaving when he did. Even if Popa left straight away at the end of a season I think culturally it would have been very difficult for anyone to come to WSW as the second manager and get things right straight away.

 

 

Especially when in your first game as a coach the striker brushes you off and refuses to shake your hand after being substituted, and then this attitude  permeates to the rest of the playing group. The whole toxic culture between players and coach was established in that one moment. Gombau couldn't win.

5 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

Also in situations like this a new manager comes in, only the second in our history and tries to make changes, it will only be down the line after he has gone that we will appreciate how hard this period was and that I don't think it would have mattered who was appointed.

Arguing between Foxe and Gombau shows what a shite situation this is how big a impact it was Popa leaving when he did. Even if Popa left straight away at the end of a season I think culturally it would have been very difficult for anyone to come to WSW as the second manager and get things right straight away.

 

 

We'll never know, but I argue that Ante Milicic and Dirk Schuster would have been very different managers, overseeing very different performances and achieve much more positive results. Gombau was tinkering too much to fast, and it bit him.

3 minutes ago, FCB said:

We'll never know, but I argue that Ante Milicic and Dirk Schuster would have been very different managers, overseeing very different performances and achieve much more positive results. Gombau was tinkering too much to fast, and it bit him.

FFS mate Schuster took one look and said 'not for me' and good on him because he must have had foresight to see what an impossible job this would be. Milicic didn't want to come back either at this point, wonder why.......

Gombau is the WSW sacrificial lamb for all the shite that has gone before his arrival and since, shame because he seems like a nice bloke and all lol  Just not a right fit for us at this time, but then I don't think anyone would be under the circumstances.

I'm not necessarily saying we should have kept foxe. Just holding him up as an argument against the 'its all popa's fault the players are garbage' view point.

Either the players are better than people are saying or foxe did a pretty good job.

When Gombau became our coach I saw this....

For others they saw this..........

No matter what he does their opinions will never change.

9 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

Also in situations like this a new manager comes in, only the second in our history and tries to make changes, it will only be down the line after he has gone that we will appreciate how hard this period was and that I don't think it would have mattered who was appointed.

Arguing between Foxe and Gombau shows what a shite situation this is how big a impact it was Popa leaving when he did. Even if Popa left straight away at the end of a season I think culturally it would have been very difficult for anyone to come to WSW as the second manager and get things right straight away.

 

 

In football sometimes I think it is not just about getting the right manager but the right manager at the right time. Gombau is at best the right manger for a different time (i.e. brought in at season start with plenty of time to sign who he wanted and a whole season) , but he definitely was the wrong manager for this time (taking an ok but not great squad that was going ok and ensuring that they compete). 

Your spot on though who ever came in was going to have a very tough job.

I had a rant to her indoors who is totally disinterested in football, she said "Why did they hire him if he such a purist?"

Unfortunately it isn't working for Gombau, and he wasn't the right guy at the time. I feel a bit sorry for him.

In other news? Where the hell are the replacements? If the club aren't backing Gumby in getting a Jumpy and Corny replacement then he is totally being shafted. 

I'd love to know what the real story was with Cornthwaite leaving, as limited a player as he is we are seriously missing him. 

5 minutes ago, sonar said:

When Gombau became our coach I saw this....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For others they saw this..........

 

 

 

 

 

No matter what he does their opinions will never change.

 

 

 

 

To be honest... I see a bit of both in one, his head is shaped a bit like a lemon...

9 minutes ago, sonar said:

When Gombau became our coach I saw this....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For others they saw this..........

 

 

 

 

 

No matter what he does their opinions will never change.

 

 

 

 

If he takes us to grand final I will quite happily do a total U turn

2 hours ago, WestSyd said:

That is funny, especially as he is not the most attractive guy lol.

He will FAQ us then leave us with a mess and broken heart

54 minutes ago, WSWBoro said:

FFS mate Schuster took one look and said 'not for me' and good on him because he must have had foresight to see what an impossible job this would be. Milicic didn't want to come back either at this point, wonder why.......

Gombau is the WSW sacrificial lamb for all the shite that has gone before his arrival and since, shame because he seems like a nice bloke and all lol  Just not a right fit for us at this time, but then I don't think anyone would be under the circumstances.

Regarding Milicic (Plan A) and Schuster (Plan B): that's not what I've heard, I believe you are barking up the wrong tree in both cases.

Gombau is a youth level coach who is just learning a few hard lessons at senior level.

13 minutes ago, FCB said:

Regarding Milicic (Plan A) and Schuster (Plan B): that's not what I've heard, I believe you are barking up the wrong tree in both cases.

Gombau is a youth level coach who is just learning a few hard lessons at senior level.

 

 

To be fair Milicic has been an assistant coach pretty much his whole senior A-league and national team career. He hasn't really progressed from there. Maybe Popa told him also to steer clear. At least you can say Gombau was a senior coach with Adelaide on his own.

As for Schuster, well maybe he saw a few Hamill and Sotirio highlights videos and decide it wasn't for him lol.

Bozza just explained ( A-league hour) why it was a red for Baccus and only a yellow for Reddy but was very careful not to mention anything about the offside before the penalty. Seems clear that Fox messed up, and they don't want to admit to it

1 minute ago, tardotz said:

Bozza just explained ( A-league hour) why it was a red for Baccus and only a yellow for Reddy but was very careful not to mention anything about the offside before the penalty. Seems clear that Fox messed up, and they don't want to admit to it

Earlier today on Twitter he said he was gong to pursue the offside angle.

20 minutes ago, tardotz said:

Bozza just explained ( A-league hour) why it was a red for Baccus and only a yellow for Reddy but was very careful not to mention anything about the offside before the penalty. Seems clear that Fox messed up, and they don't want to admit to it

Also forgot to mention that Reddy had no intention of playing the ball. His only intention was to take out the player. Bozza never lets the facts get in the way of a good Fox story.

Yes they are very quiet on the offside.  Might it be because a) they don't have a good shot of it (which undermines their precious VAR) or b) they know that not being able to check for offside in this situation is just stupid (and undermines their precious VAR).

51 minutes ago, FCB said:

Regarding Milicic (Plan A) and Schuster (Plan B): that's not what I've heard

34 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

To be fair Milicic has been an assistant coach pretty much his whole senior A-league and national team career. He hasn't really progressed from there. Maybe Popa told him also to steer clear. At least you can say Gombau was a senior coach with Adelaide on his own.

As for Schuster, well maybe he saw a few Hamill and Sotirio highlights videos and decide it wasn't for him lol.

If you believe what was said on here it was money in both cases.

Milicic wanted more because he'd recently relocated to Croatia for his son's football career. I also find it very hard to believe that Milicic does not want to be a manager (he is currently U23s manager - although his first test didn't go too well).

And Schuster wanted his own back room staff and the club didn't want to stump up the cash.

All speculation, of course.

I’m so sick of the Var once again a league hour discussion on our game is all about Var decision. I’d have been interested to get a view on how we are playing

Just now, StringerBellend said:

I’d have been interested to get a view on how we are playing

You're a sucker for punishment, aren't you?

1 minute ago, Carns said:

You're a sucker for punishment, aren't you?

40 odd years of Everton does that to you 

21 hours ago, GrEmIoWaNdErEr said:

Guys all I can say is **** the var and that ref seriously ruining games and **** seriously this league is turning really **** get rid of var or we will get rid of you gallop and also **** Perth glory fans ****en ****s 

I like you.

19 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

I’m so sick of the Var once again a league hour discussion on our game is all about Var decision. I’d have been interested to get a view on how we are playing

****. Just like the VAR. And that's a wrap folks! Come back next week for the A-league Minute!