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    Unhappy New Year


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    A dismal performance by the Western Sydney Wanderers has seen them lose 2-0 to Melbourne City tonight.

    Melbourne City took the game with a blistering 2 minutes, taking advantage of abysmal defence from Western Sydney. The first goal coming as a result of a long throw-in well into the City half, being launched over the top of a completely disjointed Wanderers defence, Raul Llorente beaten for pace by Lachie Wales, and no cover defence in sight, the flyer burst into the penalty area to beat Vedran Janjetovic who as usual, dived before the shot was taken and saw it sail through the path he vacated.

    The second came very soon after, Riley McGreen turned Llorente and burned him for pace, surging into the penalty area, drawing a defender then laying off the ball to fullback Ritchie De Laet who unerringly found the bottom corner of the goal.

    Western Sydney had their usual handful of chances that they completely wasted, then the game turned on 55 minutes. Rostyn Griffiths, who had until then run the midfield for Melbourne City, stupidly lunged out at a rolling ball that Alexander Baumjohann was far closer to. He was shown his second yellow and sent off with the inevitably red card.

    With an anxious and at times angry crowd waited with baited breath for the Wanderers to land a blow on the side down to 10 men, unfortunately Eugene Galekovic stood in front of the goal, blocked shot after shot, including a top drawer save from a Baumjohann blast that viewers would have expected to bulge the back of the net.

    The Wanderers pressure was rewarded with a penalty in the 85th minute, as Nathaniel Atkinson was judged to have hand-balled on a cross into the box, and Oriol Riera stepped up. With the chance to pull a goal back and give them hope in the dying embers of the game, the out of form striker fired low to his left, a poor penalty that Eugene waited for and pounced upon, turning it wide.

    It was the cherry on top of one of the worst performances in the history of the Wanderers, and will leave the fans wondering how on earth will Markus Babbel turn it around. Many will no doubt consider it an impossibility until the majority of the playing roster is cut from the club.

    The Wanderers face Melbourne Victory next Saturday, the 5th of January, kickoff at 7:50pm at the Sydney Olympic Stadium.

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    47 minutes ago, david0312 said:

    Now we can't even get 4 games out of him. 

    Puts the open goal away beautifully...

    lovely stuff 

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    36 minutes ago, Swarth said:

    i ******* miss those times so much, its proof about how much worse everything is now, we are a different club from those days

    Those were the days indeed...

     

    Having said that I thought..Fathead - hey remember when people used to heap **** on him....

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    3 minutes ago, Horus said:

    Those were the days indeed...

     

    Having said that I thought..Fathead - hey remember when people used to heap **** on him....

    i remember when we signed him i thought it was a terrible signing, proved me wrong and then some

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    1 hour ago, Horus said:

    Those were the days indeed...

     

    Having said that I thought..Fathead - hey remember when people used to heap **** on him....

    The nobhead who sat behind us at parra never stopped, didn’t matter what Bridge did the guy still banged on about how **** he was 

    I can’t wait for the return of our generously sized headed occasional goal scorer 

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    8 hours ago, wendybr said:

     

    I kinda hate myself for asking...I really do.

    Because I've always hated the revolving door approach to our coaches (once Popa's successes declined) and more specifically, I've hated that approach towards players at our club (unfathomable with regard to a dozen or so players we showed the door, or didn't value highly enough to retain, but who are still playing successfully across the A League :()

    I have never joined a Popa out! Gombau out! call. I don't see much evidence of, and wouldn't join a Babble out team.....just yet. I don't like that sort of approach, and I don't think it helps.

    But I'm wondering how you reconcile the first part of your post, with the second.

    As I said, I don't like asking...but I'm curious. Is there nothing a good coach can do with a mediocre team...a team which looks totally dispirited from the start of every game...and which looks desperate for the final whistle (understandably so) by the end?

    I don’t want a revolving door either, which is why it’s easy to reconcile the two. I thought it was pretty obvious. I want to see signs that what Babbel is trying to do is being implemented. Something that points to what we can expect next year when he has more of a say in the squad  

    With a mediocre team you’d think the first thing he’d do is get us compact, organised and hard to beat and then build  from there as the season progressed and he worked out what the players can do. 

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    32 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    The nobhead who sat behind us at parra never stopped, didn’t matter what Bridge did the guy still banged on about how **** he was 

    I can’t wait for the return of our generously sized headed occasional goal scorer 

    Bridge is a club legend...but go back to that season before he departed for his ilfated Thai trip and he was busted...shadow of his former self.

    He is not the player we fondly remember from season 1, 2 or 3.

    But a Bridge at 50% of his former self is better than anything else we have.

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    6 minutes ago, GD07 said:

    I don’t want a revolving door either, which is why it’s easy to reconcile the two. I thought it was pretty obvious. I want to see signs that what Babbel is trying to do is being implemented. Something that points to what we can expect next year when he has more of a say in the squad  

    With a mediocre team you’d think the first thing he’d do is get us compact, organised and hard to beat and then build  from there as the season progressed and he worked out what the players can do. 

    Thanks GD. That's all fair enough.

    I truly didn't mean to suggest you wanted a revolving door.

    I was being more negative than I usually am (and maybe being hypocritical) about the manager, since there doesn't seem any progress. 

    Everyone's frustrated, no one seems to have any clear vision about how to make the future any better....certainly not in the short term at least.

    I'm sorry I've been whingy today.

    I guess I hope the club is learning from past mistakes (which to me are obvious) and that we find a way forward sooner rather than later.

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    It is the likes of Covic that should have been retained on the WSW staff roster in some capacity.....you can't replicate or replace what he and those around him at the time brought to the club...

    And he is right..this season is now a write-off.

    Edited by Smoggy

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    2 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    It is the likes of Covic that should have been retained on the WSW staff roster in some capacity.....you can't replicate or replace what he and those around him at the time brought to the club...

    For sure, but wasn't he one of the chief agitators with the pay issue at tge FIFA Club Cup? 

    If so, Lederer would have told Tsatsimas get rid of them.

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    11 minutes ago, Carns said:

    Covic saying what a lot of us are thinking

    Ante absolutely 100% nails it there.

    And with this….

    "Covic is sure that Babbel, who has been repeatedly scathing in his criticism of the team, may also be taking a look at himself.

    “I don’t think any coach after such a start would not look at himself,” he added. “He’s been around the game long enough for that, so I’m sure he’s reflecting and thinking what he can do better.

    “He’s been pretty vocal in his criticism of the squad ... some players will react positively to that and some may react negatively. 

    “Maybe the experience so far has been an eye-opener for him. He’s a German coach and is very direct and disciplined and maybe he has to find a balance between what he knows and has done and what the A-League is about and what the players are like over here." 

     

    ...well 1000% to that analysis!

    Well said Ante..and thanks for posting Carns. :good:

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    1 minute ago, Paul01 said:

    For sure, but wasn't he one of the chief agitators with the pay issue at tge FIFA Club Cup? 

    If so, Lederer would have told Tsatsimas get rid of them.

    Ahh yes..the FIFA Club cup pay dispute. That can prob be seen as the starting point of the decline to where we are at today.

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    Ahh bugger it ...so now I'm steamed up again.  :xmad:

    Re this... Covic would understand better than anyone else, along with other experienced A League players, what a big part of the problem is.

    "Covic is sure that Babbel, who has been repeatedly scathing in his criticism of the team, may also be taking a look at himself.

    “I don’t think any coach after such a start would not look at himself,” he added. “He’s been around the game long enough for that, so I’m sure he’s reflecting and thinking what he can do better.

    “He’s been pretty vocal in his criticism of the squad ... some players will react positively to that and some may react negatively. 

    “Maybe the experience so far has been an eye-opener for him. He’s a German coach and is very direct and disciplined and maybe he has to find a balance between what he knows and has done and what the A-League is about and what the players are like over here."  

     

    It's straight out of Human Psychology 101 - the self fulfilling prophesy. 

    I don't listen to MB's  pressers...they have been too negative. If he thinks his team is ****, they will be.

    You'd never get Arnie or Muscat vilifying his players in public.

    And this, to me, is Covic very diplomatically sending Babbel a message...

    I hope he hears it.

    Sorry guys...that's me with it all off my chest now. 

     

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    Covic is almost 100% right - the rot started before Popa left, not after

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    4 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

    Covic is almost 100% right - the rot started before Popa left, not after

    Yep....100% agree.

    Edited by sonar

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    22 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Ahh yes..the FIFA Club cup pay dispute. That can prob be seen as the starting point of the decline to where we are at today.

    Yep, it shows how much of a cheap P**** Lederer is to put the players in that situation.

    Edited by david0312

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    4 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

    Covic is almost 100% right - the rot started before Popa left, not after

    Yep, i think its important to note that. 

    It makes you wonder about management and their influence on current club attitude n culture. I think popa sensed what was fermenting in the background and grabbed the first opportunity to get the faaark out of dodge

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    1 hour ago, Smoggy said:

    Bridge is a club legend...but go back to that season before he departed for his ilfated Thai trip and he was busted...shadow of his former self.

    He is not the player we fondly remember from season 1, 2 or 3.

    But a Bridge at 50% of his former self is better than anything else we have.

    Let me have my romantic dream, he’s going to come back this season and lead us to the grand final

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    4 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    Let me have my romantic dream, he’s going to come back this season and lead us to the grand final

    I think he would be tempted to comback at some point with new administration but clearly that's a while away unless old mate goes back to focusing on his spicy Salamis.

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    28 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    It's straight out of Human Psychology 101 - the self fulfilling prophesy. 

    I don't listen to MB's  pressers...they have been too negative. If he thinks his team is ****, they will be.

    You'd never get Arnie or Muscat vilifying his players in public.

    And this, to me, is Covic very diplomatically sending Babbel a message...

    I hope he hears it.

    Sorry guys...that's me with it all off my chest now.

    I think part of the problem (and Covic I believe acknowledges this) is that some things are being lost in translation too. As he is German, English is at best his second language, and there are big cultural and language differences in Germany (FCB has alluded to this before). His directness and sometimes brutal honesty would be considered very normal in Germany, but might be a bit jarring overseas.

    I find it refreshing, but that may be because I too can be too direct and hate the usual platitudes and clichés you get from managers.

    I can completely see the issue you raise re: positivity etc. but I don't think it is 100% deliberate, or may be somewhat lost in translation.

    Popa was renowned for being very honest and upfront with his players regarding their strengths and weaknesses. But obviously not in public.

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    "We talk and we talk, but we need to turn those words into action," Hamill said.

     

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    29 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

    Covic is almost 100% right - the rot started before Popa left, not after

    The rot started soon after the new owners 

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    When I played some 35 years ago as a defender & centre half the goalkeeper was the gobbiest on the field ,barking out instructions,  the captain would encourage  the  players if their shoulders dropped or missed a tackle, if we didn’t compete for the second ball ,or have a go at 50/50 tackles he’d give us a bollocking. It was called teamwork, we worked for each other, If one our players was getting a little more attention than he deserved no way would the team put with it , the offender would soon be told to pull his head in or suffer the consequences.

     I saw little or no have a go  in  last nights game,( apart from baby baccus vs bigger baccus moment ) too many out -field players that where flat on their heels  with little anticipation.

    Two goals to City from errors by llorente , out of position for the first and then jumping in for the second, should have been given an on field roasting by Hammell & keeper.

    Shenkeveld was on his haunches after 20 mins and clearly not 100% last night, so why did we persist in playing wide and not change things  up and turn him around and play through him?

    We need a leader on the pitch , it looked like the whole team played as if they had been given redundancy notices before the game, especially in the first half.

     

     

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    15 minutes ago, Carns said:

    I think part of the problem (and Covic I believe acknowledges this) is that some things are being lost in translation too. As he is German, English is at best his second language, and there are big cultural and language differences in Germany (FCB has alluded to this before). His directness and sometimes brutal honesty would be considered very normal in Germany, but might be a bit jarring overseas.

    I find it refreshing, but that may be because I too can be too direct and hate the usual platitudes and clichés you get from managers.

    I can completely see the issue you raise re: positivity etc. but I don't think it is 100% deliberate, or may be somewhat lost in translation.

    Yep...

    What is Babbel supposed to do....?....Lie to the players faces...?....Pat the little princess on the head and say "good boy". ?

    I have no problem if he has addressed a player in private and made them aware of what he expects and if  the player still does not do what he ( Babbel ) expects then to say in the media, if the same thing keeps happenning, then the player has faults in this area.....ie Roly being soft/.lazy....Baumjohhan is not a good defender.....etc Go for it as far as I'm concerned.

    Edited by sonar

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    2 minutes ago, Howie said:

    looked like the whole team played as if they had been given redundancy notices before the game, especially in the first half.

    Here's hoping they did.

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    37 minutes ago, sonar said:

    Yep...

    What is Babbel supposed to do....?....Lie to the players faces...?....Pat the little princess on the head and say "good boy". ?

    I have no problem if he has addressed a player in private and made them aware of what he expects and if  the player still does not do what he ( Babbel ) expects then to say in the media, if the same thing keeps happenning, then the player has faults in this area.....ie Roly being soft/.lazy....Baumjohhan is not a good defender.....etc Go for it as far as I'm concerned.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on that.

    Smacks of a workman blaming his tools to me....sort of.

    He's acknowledging his own lack of man management skills...and covering his own arse. 

    Discipline them...drop them...but I'd rather him not making  the cracks all around him so obvious.

    PS This has been his approach from the start...I think?

    Over a third of the way through the season...which most of us are openly writing off already...what evidence of his success with this approach can you cite Sonar?

     

    PPS I don't ever remember us being on opposite sides of a debate before. :(

     

     

     

     

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    22 hours ago, GunnerWanderer said:

    Can we start including babbels outfit in match reports it’s the only thing that gives me excitement anymore 

    It's the only sophisticated item this club's got. What Babbel wears and that Sotirio is on the bench as background has been my only interest for weeks field wise. 

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    The cracks are pretty easy to see when you're in 8th place. With or without the manager.

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