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    Unhappy New Year


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    A dismal performance by the Western Sydney Wanderers has seen them lose 2-0 to Melbourne City tonight.

    Melbourne City took the game with a blistering 2 minutes, taking advantage of abysmal defence from Western Sydney. The first goal coming as a result of a long throw-in well into the City half, being launched over the top of a completely disjointed Wanderers defence, Raul Llorente beaten for pace by Lachie Wales, and no cover defence in sight, the flyer burst into the penalty area to beat Vedran Janjetovic who as usual, dived before the shot was taken and saw it sail through the path he vacated.

    The second came very soon after, Riley McGreen turned Llorente and burned him for pace, surging into the penalty area, drawing a defender then laying off the ball to fullback Ritchie De Laet who unerringly found the bottom corner of the goal.

    Western Sydney had their usual handful of chances that they completely wasted, then the game turned on 55 minutes. Rostyn Griffiths, who had until then run the midfield for Melbourne City, stupidly lunged out at a rolling ball that Alexander Baumjohann was far closer to. He was shown his second yellow and sent off with the inevitably red card.

    With an anxious and at times angry crowd waited with baited breath for the Wanderers to land a blow on the side down to 10 men, unfortunately Eugene Galekovic stood in front of the goal, blocked shot after shot, including a top drawer save from a Baumjohann blast that viewers would have expected to bulge the back of the net.

    The Wanderers pressure was rewarded with a penalty in the 85th minute, as Nathaniel Atkinson was judged to have hand-balled on a cross into the box, and Oriol Riera stepped up. With the chance to pull a goal back and give them hope in the dying embers of the game, the out of form striker fired low to his left, a poor penalty that Eugene waited for and pounced upon, turning it wide.

    It was the cherry on top of one of the worst performances in the history of the Wanderers, and will leave the fans wondering how on earth will Markus Babbel turn it around. Many will no doubt consider it an impossibility until the majority of the playing roster is cut from the club.

    The Wanderers face Melbourne Victory next Saturday, the 5th of January, kickoff at 7:50pm at the Sydney Olympic Stadium.

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    9 minutes ago, matty said:

    Best change that can be made is the replacement of Tsatsimas to be honest

    I know there are many factors/variables in the success (or failure) of football clubs, but the timing of Tsatsimas and Lederer and wsw drop in quality both skillswise and mentally cannot be ignored i think.

    Edit to add

    There is something rotten in Denmark. It might be Babs, but i am more inclined to think its a bunch of factors, including the current tenure of Tsatsimas and Lederer. Attitude and club culture comes from the top. The standard you are prepared to walk past is always set by the top.

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    2 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    To me - it was more because of what was happening in the stands around the players....than anything else. We were an irresistible force back then. But of course, the manager's guidance and belief, and the players' never-say-die approach was crucial too.

    The coach, and I guess (under different circumstances to ours) the long term players, as leaders within a team, are responsible for the self belief within a successful team - and for that all-important team psychology/mentality.

    THAT seems to be what is lacking. There is no one as a leader within the playing group ....as a guide.

    And Babble is surely just starting to get a feel for the A League. Or not. 

     

    PS I'm just fishing around for hope here....but I don't know where it's going to come from this season.

    Yeboah = Yea Boi

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    6 minutes ago, matty said:

    Best change that can be made is the replacement of Tsatsimas to be honest

    Does that sort of thing happen in situations like ours? 

    I really have no idea.

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    11 hours ago, matty said:

    Hopefully Riera, Baumjohann and Lorente can be moved on for next season. 

    baumjohann is the least of our problems, he’s about the only player I wouldn’t want moved on right now.

    Llorente has been dreadful, his sub appearance against Adelaide was terrible, and this game was laughably bad

    out or position for two goals, and it’s all fine to make an overlapping run but if you then twat your cross out for a throw in or goal kick it’s a waste of time and effort 

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    2 minutes ago, EmMac said:

    I know there are many factors/variables in the success (or failure) of football clubs, but the timing of Tsatsimas and Lederer and wsw drop in quality both skillswise and mentally cannot be ignored i think.

    That's right. There's a clear correlation between the Wanderers being rubbish and him being in charge. Since he's taken over we've finished 9th, 2nd, 6th, and 7th. We've become mediocre. 

     

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    10 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    To me - it was more because of what was happening in the stands around the players....than anything else. We were an irresistible force back then. But of course, the manager's guidance and belief, and the players' never-say-die approach was crucial too.

     

    Agree & disagree sorta...lol...........The fans are just as vocal and passionate now as they were in season 1 & 2. The players put in.They appear not to be at the present.

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    6 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    Does that sort of thing happen in situations like ours? 

    I really have no idea.

    Not so much. Usually coaches will be rotated in and out until it becomes clear there's a problem higher up. Eventually the CEO will go. Could take a while before owners are forced to accept that it's the best course of action though. 

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    1 minute ago, sonar said:

    Agree & disagree sorta...lol...........The fans are just as vocal and passionate now as they were in season 1 & 2. The players put in.

    Disagree ….sadly.

    More than half of us aren't there anymore.

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    42 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

    From yesterday Kamau is the player that I will single out. He was our best performer and if it wasn't Galekovic save we would have been 2-1 at halftime the rest of the team bad

    To be fair his work rate is decent and i'd put him top of the list this season, sorry for harping on a point but i'm still gutted we do did not nail Ikonimidis down, he will be going back overseas next season surely........

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    3 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    baumjohann is the least of our problems, he’s about the only player I wouldn’t want moved on right now.

    Llorente has been dreadful, his sub appearance against Adelaide was terrible, and this game was laughably bad

    out or position for two goals, and it’s all fine to make an overlapping run but if you then twat your cross out for a throw in or goal kick it’s a waste of time and effort 

    The guy has a skill set above most in our squad but Baumjohhan was terrible last night. 

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    Just now, matty said:

    Not so much. Usually coaches will be rotated in and out until it becomes clear there's a problem higher up. Eventually the CEO will go. Could take a while before owners are forced to accept that it's the best course of action though. 

    Thanks Matty.

    Sigh

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    Just saw some of the players arriving at stanhope gardens pool. Riera looking very grim...was going to give them a  bit of verbal. But didnt want to risk a precinct ban at my local shopping centre 😁

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    5 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    baumjohann is the least of our problems, he’s about the only player I wouldn’t want moved on right now.

    Llorente has been dreadful, his sub appearance against Adelaide was terrible, and this game was laughably bad

    out or position for two goals, and it’s all fine to make an overlapping run but if you then twat your cross out for a throw in or goal kick it’s a waste of time and effort 

    Of course we have bigger problems than Baumjohann and really no one to replace him in this system but he needs to be let go at seasons end. Keep your eye on him during games. He doesn't just go missing but he seems to hide and make little effort to help team mates or be in space to accept a pass. That's unforgivable to me, he doesn't give a ****

     

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    5 minutes ago, jockman said:

    Just saw some of the players arriving at stanhope gardens pool. Riera looking very grim...was going to give them a  bit of verbal. But didnt want to risk a precinct ban at my local shopping centre 😁

    Maybe a polite "pull your finger out of yer f****** a***es" would help with their process of hardening their mentality.

    Or have the opposite effect....depends on their very fragile mindset atm

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    13 minutes ago, matty said:

    That's right. There's a clear correlation between the Wanderers being rubbish and him being in charge. Since he's taken over we've finished 9th, 2nd, 6th, and 7th. We've become mediocre. 

     

    To add to this, in the same time the women have finished 

    8th

    7th

    8th

    8th

    Its obvious the problem at the club is bigger than a coach

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    5 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    Disagree ….sadly.

    More than half of us aren't there anymore.

    More than made up by new members who still feel the same passion. The club will lose members and fans but gain new ones constantly.....fact of life.

    In the beginning it was what was happening on the pitch that made it special. It was OUR team...Western Sydney........and we can compete against the best in the country. Most of us know how much we are put down and maligned for being from where we are.....Western Sydney...our team went out and showed people differently...we were not to be taken lightly.

    At the moment we look like also rans.

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    17 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    baumjohann is the least of our problems, he’s about the only player I wouldn’t want moved on right now.

    Llorente has been dreadful, his sub appearance against Adelaide was terrible, and this game was laughably bad

    out or position for two goals, and it’s all fine to make an overlapping run but if you then twat your cross out for a throw in or goal kick it’s a waste of time and effort 

    Grozos > Treejack

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    3 minutes ago, matty said:

    To add to this, in the same time the women have finished 

    8th

    7th

    8th

    8th

    Its obvious the problem at the club is bigger than a coach

    Doesn't look likely that they'll finish above 8th again this season 

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    For me its not effort rather than recruitment - we just have a **** squad. The fact we still have players like Sotirio and Bacchus as starters and are hanging out for the return of Bridge who has was crap last season pretty much sums up the mediocre squad we have. These 3 seasons at SOP are when the board should have spent the most on players to continue the clubs momentum but it has failed to do so.

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    11 hours ago, Taurus said:

    I'm flabbergasted that he's not required / encouraged to wear WSW attire, whilst on the sidelines in our games. 

    If it's good enough for Klopp & Guardiola it's good enough for MB

    Lederer is probably happy he doesn’t have to pay for a uniform for him 

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    The larger problem with our most recent and current form is that it starts to give a certain impression of the club, the players and the supporters and that is extremely difficult to shift those perceptions. The perception that the club lacks  a focus on quality, its penny pinching all the time, the team and staff are sub par, the culture is off, the supporters are revolting (hehehe) and active support is harasassed and in disarray.  

    What does that means in practical terms?

    Its the story of the Mariners. Who wants to play for them? If i was an aussie player, two offers on the table for same money, one from Esfc and one from Mariners, I will take  the esfc offer. Sfc doesnt come across like Dollar king is as good as DJs. Its farrrkin not. Quality will always be better than quantity. We are heading in that direction.

    If we don't actually behave our way out of this hole we are in, as a club, as players, as supporters we will be the Mariners of Western Sydney.  By behave, i mean that not only do the owners and management need to put our money where our mouth is, but the coach and  players have to behave as if they want to be here at wsw. Get rid of any player and any staff who are not 100% committed and focused on improving and winning. We currently don't believe we are winners. That is the manifested in the results we are producing. 

    Ps. I like our Sea Bogan cousins, but they  have a reputation and that means they are fairly or unfairly judged by that reputation. That perception of 'not much good' is very hard to turn around. Thats a lot of hard work repairing that kind brand perception. The wsw are hurtling in that direction.

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    28 minutes ago, matty said:

    Of course we have bigger problems than Baumjohann and really no one to replace him in this system but he needs to be let go at seasons end. Keep your eye on him during games. He doesn't just go missing but he seems to hide and make little effort to help team mates or be in space to accept a pass. That's unforgivable to me, he doesn't give a ****

     

    I didn’t disagree he was poor yesterday, I still think with a decent team around him he’d be good, at the moment him and Kamau are the only players worth watching (which says it all)

    But to list problems in order 

    - defensive midfielder we can’t play O’Doherty and Baccus together we are getting over run and bullied their every game (Griffiths bossed it then we got sent of Osama Malik bossed it)

    - centre back, Hammil

    - full backs, Llorente can’t defend and seems to have forgotten how to cross, Elrich is passed it 

    - attack Reira is horribly out of form and our other attackets all score at about one goal on 10. Kamau is the only player that actually looks like doing anything 

    the list goes on...

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    While I think short term thinking got us into the mess if ever a A League club needed the sugar hit or a marquee it’s us.

    as it stands crowds will be down to <6k for rest of season

    need something to give us some sort of boost and try and turn things around 

     

     

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    3 hours ago, sonar said:

    Some stark numbers from our time away from Parra.........Played/Won/Drawn/Losses

    Total ANZ/Spotless       30      9       11      10             
    Pirtek Stadium              55      26     14      15              

    The definition of mediocrity right there. 9 home wins in over 2 seasons. WTF!

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    37 minutes ago, matty said:

    To add to this, in the same time the women have finished 

    8th

    7th

    8th

    8th

    Its obvious the problem at the club is bigger than a coach

    The club have not given two shits about the women's team since day 1. I believe it's because it isn't a money maker. Admittedly, many of the A-league clubs don't pay the women as much attention, but we've been woeful the whole time. City, ESFC, Roar and Canberra have shown what you can do if you actually put the effort in (and actually pay for top level players).

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    45 minutes ago, WSWJACK said:

    Maybe a polite "pull your finger out of yer f****** a***es" would help with their process of hardening their mentality.

    Or have the opposite effect....depends on their very fragile mindset atm

    Be careful you might cop a 12month ban from Sydney Olympic Park for that 

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    1 hour ago, sonar said:

    Our first couple of seasons were the benchmark for the club in what was expected from the playing group. They put in,they never gave up. Whether that was the attitude of the players or motivation of the coach can be debated ad nauseum.

    Season 3 was a write off but people forgive/forgave the clube due to ACL win...fair enough.

    When Popa gutted the Adelaide Gf losing side we have not recovered.The replacements were mediocre as were the results.....6th.

    Nothing has changed result wise since.I've always believed and maintained it is the players who are mainly responsible for what happens on the field. The coach is the guide. Popa was lucky in his last season just to make the 6 with his squad. Gumby lost the players apparently and  failed....7th......... and Babbel is not looking too flash at the moment. I like Babbel as a coach but the results should be starting to show. The fans want to see season one and two attitudes...They aren't Hence the fan frustration.

     

     

    58 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    To me - it was more because of what was happening in the stands around the players....than anything else. We were an irresistible force back then. But of course, the manager's guidance and belief, and the players' never-say-die approach was crucial too.

    The coach, and I guess (under different circumstances to ours) the long term players, as leaders within a team, are responsible for the self belief within a successful team - and for that all-important team psychology/mentality.

    THAT seems to be what is lacking. There is no one as a leader within the playing group ....as a guide.

    And Babble is surely just starting to get a feel for the A League. Or not. 

     

    PS I'm just fishing around for hope here....but I don't know where it's going to come from this season

    For me, sonar has pinpointed the catalyst of the club culture etc falling apart and Wendy has exactly described the result.

    Given that environment, it's very difficult for new players like ABJ and Ziegler, no matter how good they are, to change the collective mindset. Same goes for Babbel. At least he recognises what we have and needs to be changed and what it needs to change to (unlike Gombau who seemed intent on further destruction).

    I've said before that we haven't replaced the leadership of NTS and others before him. NTS's departure was probably the penultimate nail in the coffin we have now (Gombau was the final nail).

    As others have said, the leadership (Tsatsimas, Lederer et al) need to get it right for the desired changes to happen.

    I worry that the solution for the current disappointment is even more upheaval and player turnover. It looks like it needs to happen but will it work or just compound the problems?

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    Maybe instead of booing the players, direct our anger towards the owners/executive box (if there is one) like various Premier League clubs have done in the UK. Protest against the fact that they are taking the fans for granted by having an NPL level team see out seasons at unsuitable grounds. Protest at the fact they are not willing to spend a little in keeping quality at the club (Ikonomidis, Antonis etc).

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    1 hour ago, sonar said:

    Agree & disagree sorta...lol...........The fans are just as vocal and passionate now as they were in season 1 & 2. The players put in.They appear not to be at the present.

    no way no how.  The fans are nowhere near as passionate or vocal now compared to S1 and S2, nowhere near it. 

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