Jump to content
  • Sign in to follow this  

    Valiant Wanderers Fall Late Against Victory


    mack

    Despite a vastly improved performance on a rain soaked evening, the Western Sydney Wanderers fell to a late winner to Ola Toivonen.

    Late afternoon rain, thunder and lightning threatened another postponed encounter, but the dark clouds cleared quickly enough to allow play to begin on schedule. Having been widely criticised for their lack of application against Melbourne City, the Wanderers looked much better against the other half of Melbourne in the first half. Markus Babbel handed an A-League debut to fullback Tate Russell and he performed superbly on both sides of the ball.

    The Wanderers had most of the chances, in the 2nd minute Bruce Kamau had the ball fall to his feet after a scramble inside the penalty area, he lashed a right footed drive at goal but Victory keeper Laurence Thomas stuck out a hand and blocked the shot. Oriol Riera found an Alexander Baumjohann cross with his head, the out of form striker nodding it wide.

    As has been the curse of the Wanderers in the past few years, they failed to turn their domination into a goal, and copped one against the run of play. Mere minutes before half-time, James Troisi slipped the ball into the penalty area past Brendan Hamill, Toivonen bisected the cover defence of Ziegler and Elrich to slide the ball past Janjetovic, who once again showed his predilection for diving early and the wrong way against close range shots.

    In the 70th minute, Alexander Baumjohann had a reward for an excellent game when he single-handedly won, and despatched, a penalty. He was manhandled in the box and taken to ground by fullback Storm Roux, and after a number of spot kick misses from Riera, Baumjohann took the ball and rocketed it home even with  Thomas diving the right way.

    Terry Antonis tried to get Victory level with a blatant dive in the penalty area, it went unpunished by the officials and if there is any justice, he'll receive a ban from the A-League Match Review Panel.

    With typical luck of a side fighting at the lower end of the table, the Wanderers copped an unlucky 2nd. James Troisi took advantage of some slow cover defence from Roly Bonevacia to get in behind the defence, he fired across the face of goal, Patrick Ziegler's desperate lunge couldn't clear the ball, and Toivonen was johnny on the spot as it rebounded into his stomach and from there into the back of the net.

    Substitue Nick Fitzgerald smashed the post late on, as well as a chance after Thomas missed the ball after running out of his goal, Fitzgerlad shot from a long way out only to have it blocked by a Victory defender on the line.

    The 2-1 loss would almost be considered cruel if it weren't for the amount of chances the Wanderers let slip, but they are a team in poor form and that is how football punishes teams who can't put goals away. The positives despite the loss were the introduction of Russell, who appears to be the vanguard for a new batch of Wanderers youth prospects to make their A-League debuts, and the much improved performance of the side against a better team coming off an 8 day break.

    Western Sydney face Wellington Phoenix next Tuesday at 7:50 PM at the Sydney Olympic Stadium.

    Sign in to follow this  


    User Feedback

    Recommended Comments



    I would of used wasteful instead of valiant...they were valiant, but they wasted the opportunities they created. It's becoming a major concern that we cannot score from open play. Game after game we create chances and it comes to naught.

    Babbel in his presser refused to criticise Riera....but he IS the marquee and he needs to produce more. Happy with the game overall and I thought we didn't deserve to lose....thems the breaks.

    On the positive side Tate Russell had a great debut and should be in the starting lineup against the Nix on Tuesday.

    Edited by sonar

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    honestly i am proud of the team for the most part, our finishing is still terrible but the goalkeeper made so many amazing saves so we cant fully blame the players for that and we looked 100 times better than we looked against Adelaide or city and tate looked very good

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I’m glad I didn’t put down any money on the Victory to win by 2+, but even if I had I would have happily written it off based on that performance. A substantial improvement, even if it was just getting the team to play properly for the entire game rather than the 20-30 minute spells we have witnessed previously. Of the players, I’m liking Kamau more and more, and simply having multiple players agressively move into attacking positions (even if two of them were Riera and Roly) was a very pleasant change. If only we had the players to make the most of the all the goal scoring opportunities that we created...

    Finally, it was good to hear people clapping in the stands after the game! That has been absent for quite some time.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    21 minutes ago, sonar said:

    I would of used wasteful instead of valiant...they were valiant, but they wasted the opportunities they created. It's becoming a major concern that we cannot score from open play. Game after game we create chances and it comes to naught.

    Babbel in his presser refused to criticise Riera....but he IS the marquee and he needs to produce more. Happy with the game overall and I thought we didn't deserve to lose....thems the breaks.

    On the positive side Tate Russell had a great debut and should be in the starting lineup against the Nix on Tuesday.

    What about the head knock Riera took. It affected him tonight.

    #ElrichOut. Out of position so many times in the second half.

    5 players from our winning NYL team from last season either starting or on the bench: Russell, Majok, Suman, Cordier, Tass. Only other one on a senior team contract missing was Grozos who must still be recovering. Hope he gets a spot soon, most likely an NYL game. 

    And the only NYL game left for our NYL team to play is against the Smurfs NYL team on the Sunday 27 Jan at 4.30pm at Marconi Stadium. The A-League team plays Brisbane away on the 25 Jan. Potentially another Grandfinal appearance in offing if the boys win. We should make an effort for this game.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    19 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

    What about the head knock Riera took. It affected him tonight.

    #ElrichOut. Out of position so many times in the second half.

    5 players from our winning NYL team from last season either starting or on the bench: Russell, Majok, Suman, Cordier, Tass. Only other one on a senior team contract missing was Grozos who must still be recovering. Hope he gets a spot soon, most likely an NYL game. 

    And the only NYL game left for our NYL team to play is against the Smurfs NYL team on the Sunday 27 Jan at 4.30pm at Marconi Stadium. The A-League team plays Brisbane away on the 25 Jan. Potentially another Grandfinal appearance in offing if the boys win. We should make an effort for this game.

    If he ( Riera ) was concussed or not right he should or would of been replaced. The authorities do take head knocks seriously. If he wasn't right he could of been replaced at HT. That said he has not been right for a while. He appears to have lost some pace and it was noteworthy that ABJ took the penalty after Rieras recent efforts.

    If I was Riera I would take the supposed offer from a Spanish club asap.I will say that I have no malice or animosity towards Riera as a person but on the pitch he is a marquee and was / bought to the club to score goals, Last year he was fine in a team I would class as below this side in standard, as far as I can see we are creating many more opportunities than last season and he is not scoring with more opportunities.

    TBH, I though we were OK tonight, just the finishing let us down. Babbel was happy with Tate Russell and said it the culmination of 7 months worth of work that resulted in his debut tonight. He deserves another start and was a positive to take away from the game.

    Agree about Elrich. Ithink a few of the older guys will be shown the door at seasons end.....he may be one of them along with Roly and maybe Riera.

     

     

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    6 minutes ago, sonar said:

    If he ( Riera ) was concussed or not right he should or would of been replaced. The authorities do take head knocks seriously. If he wasn't right he could of been replaced at HT. That said he has not been right for a while. He appears to have lost some pace and it was noteworthy that ABJ took the penalty after Rieras recent efforts.

    If I was Riera I would take the supposed offer from a Spanish club asap.I will say that I have no malice or animosity towards Riera as a person but on the pitch he is a marquee and was / bought to the club to score goals, Last year he was fine in a team I would class as below this side in standard, as far as I can see we are creating many more opportunities than last season and he is not scoring with more opportunities.

    TBH, I though we were OK tonight, just the finishing let us down. Babbel was happy with Tate Russell and said it the culmination of 7 months worth of work that resulted in his debut tonight. He deserves another start and was a positive to take away from the game.

    Agree about Elrich. Ithink a few of the older guys will be shown the door at seasons end.....he may be one of them along with Roly and maybe Riera.

     

     

    Tate Russell came off the bench against Arsenal in our friendly away game at ANZ!

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    16 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

    Tate Russell came off the bench against Arsenal in our friendly away game at ANZ!

    A League debut.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Kamau needs to bulk up a bit more I reckon. He’s knocked off the ball too easily week after week. He puts in a shift but that doesn’t go far if you’re dispossed with a little shoulder or hip bump every time you’re on the ball. 

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    8 hours ago, sonar said:

    If he ( Riera ) was concussed or not right he should or would of been replaced. The authorities do take head knocks seriously. If he wasn't right he could of been replaced at HT. That said he has not been right for a while. He appears to have lost some pace and it was noteworthy that ABJ took the penalty after Rieras recent efforts.

    If I was Riera I would take the supposed offer from a Spanish club asap.I will say that I have no malice or animosity towards Riera as a person but on the pitch he is a marquee and was / bought to the club to score goals, Last year he was fine in a team I would class as below this side in standard, as far as I can see we are creating many more opportunities than last season and he is not scoring with more opportunities.

    TBH, I though we were OK tonight, just the finishing let us down. Babbel was happy with Tate Russell and said it the culmination of 7 months worth of work that resulted in his debut tonight. He deserves another start and was a positive to take away from the game.

    Agree about Elrich. Ithink a few of the older guys will be shown the door at seasons end.....he may be one of them along with Roly and maybe Riera.

     

     

    The Riera situation needs sorting. Unsure what is going on in the background with other interest but it is clear to all he is not happy and not in the right space in his head, we are carrying him as a team at the moment and is about as effective as our old friend Pio.

    A goal or two for him and perhaps everything changes, we know he has the quality. He looks so far down on confidence it is hard to see where his goal is coming from.

    If he has genuine interest from elsewhere and his heart is no longer in ot here then he should go.

    Either way it needs sorting out as it is painful watching him mope about.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Great improved effort by the team, the obvious deficiency not putting the ball in the net.

    Young Tate Russell had a fantastic first half, very promising, although he did tire to the end but that can be expected to nerves burning up his energy, great shift young man.

     

     

     

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    7 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    The Riera situation needs sorting. Unsure what is going on in the background with other interest but it is clear to all he is not happy and not in the right space in his head, we are carrying him as a team at the moment and is about as effective as our old friend Pio.

    A goal or two for him and perhaps everything changes, we know he has the quality. He looks so far down on confidence it is hard to see where his goal is coming from.

    If he has genuine interest from elsewhere and his heart is no longer in ot here then he should go.

    Either way it needs sorting out as it is painful watching him mope about.

    Yep....it's a strange one. Here is a guy who was scoring even though he hated the coach last season but this season......SFA. I have to say I like Riera and in form one of our best strikers....out of form.....Pio style.

    One feral on facebook said "he is so crap this season even the loo flushed him away"..........

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Elrich was signed as a backup. Instead he literally has been playing left right and centre for weeks. MB said a couple of weeks ago that Elrich, JoD and Kamau all need a break, but he doesn't have the options on the bench, is is forced to have them play. Considering the circumstances, Elrich should be applauded, not criticised.

    Thomas did the same move against Riera in Melbourne. Comes out of the goal, goes for the ball, has his elbow in an angle and it whacks into Riera's head. Too subtle for a red card but very grubby. It may have affected Riera, but I am wondering how we'd go if treejack (resign that man as marquee asap) could pass the ball to a Le Fondre or Fornaroli instead of an off pace Riera.

    Fitzgerald is not a starting player because he doesn't defend effectively enough and doesn't backtrack. Apparently he doesn't score either. 

    Other than that: the young, tired and out of from had the VIC under the pump and could/should have won. Not sure if that's good news but we certainly got a glimpse of the wsw's future last night. However, that Raul is not going to be part of this future, that IS good news. 

    Edited by FCB

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    36 minutes ago, sonar said:
    49 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

     

    Yep....it's a strange one. Here is a guy who was scoring even though he hated the coach last season but this season......SFA. I have to say I like Riera and in form one of our best strikers....out of form.....Pio style. 

    We really shouldn't put Riera and Pio in the same sentance. Pio was a fraud.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I cant really fault that performance. FMD how unlucky can we be. Every time we play teams their keepers seem to have a career night. I have no idea how Thomas saved some of those shots, he had a blinder. 

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, FCB said:

    Elrich was signed as a backup. Instead he literally has been playing left right and centre for weeks. MB said a couple of weeks ago that Elrich, JoD and Kamau all need a break, but he doesn't have the options on the bench, is is forced to have them play. Considering the circumstances, Elrich should be applauded, not criticised.

    Thomas did the same move against Riera in Melbourne. Comes out of the goal, goes for the ball, has his elbow in an angle and it whacks into Riera's head. Too subtle for a red card but very grubby. It may have affected Riera, but I am wondering how we'd go if treejack (resign that man as marquee asap) could pass the ball to a Le Fondre or Fornaroli instead of an off pace Riera.

    Fitzgerald is not a starting player because he doesn't defend effectively enough and doesn't backtrack. Apparently he doesn't score either. 

    Other than that: the young, tired and out of from had the VIC under the pump and could/should have won. Not sure if that's good news but we certainly got a glimpse of the wsw's future last night. However, that Raul is not going to be part of this future, that IS good news. 

    Markus last night showed if you’re willing to give guys a chance they’ll give it a shake. I don’t buy into the notion we have no one on the bench or in reserve who couldn’t do the job as good or if not better then some of your favourites are currently providing.

    If nothing changes, nothing changes.

    Edited by Bellby

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Fantastic performance Babbel learnt from the first game and we cannot understate the impact of Honda on Victory. However our number 1 issue we cannot score our chances. Fitzy had the best 2 chances in that 2nd half and if he put a bit more height in that shot qould have been 2-1 for us.

    Again Tate Russel more game time please. Loves to defend fantastic debut but a few rookie mistakes but easily fixed with more exp

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    1 hour ago, FCB said:

    Elrich was signed as a backup. Instead he literally has been playing left right and centre for weeks. MB said a couple of weeks ago that Elrich, JoD and Kamau all need a break, but he doesn't have the options on the bench, is is forced to have them play. Considering the circumstances, Elrich should be applauded, not criticised.

     

    This

    I think the criticism of Elrich is unfair. He was one of our better players last night but fans only want to point out his lack of pace and him costing our second goal, the second goal wasn't entirely his fault.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    47 minutes ago, SBW said:

    This

    I think the criticism of Elrich is unfair. He was one of our better players last night but fans only want to point out his lack of pace and him costing our second goal, the second goal wasn't entirely his fault.

    One thing about Elrich is that he always gives 100%. He cannot help it that age has caught up and he is now slow. All you can ask from a player is to give 100, and if that is not good enough it's up to management to find d a replacement.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    3 hours ago, Smoggy said:

    The Riera situation needs sorting. Unsure what is going on in the background with other interest but it is clear to all he is not happy and not in the right space in his head, we are carrying him as a team at the moment and is about as effective as our old friend Pio.

    A goal or two for him and perhaps everything changes, we know he has the quality. He looks so far down on confidence it is hard to see where his goal is coming from.

    If he has genuine interest from elsewhere and his heart is no longer in ot here then he should go.

    Either way it needs sorting out as it is painful watching him mope about.

    I don’t understand comments like we know rieira has the quality. Can he dribble? No. Has he shown he can score from outside the box? No. Is he lightning fast? No. Strong with his back to goal? Not really? Takes way too many chances to convert, heading which he is supposedly good at, for me he is average also. Take away his penalties (which he is poor at also) and what exactly are his marquee qualities? I don’t see it, I’ve never seen it really with him. I’m calling bullshit that he has offers from Spain, his agent wants an extended deal here and it’s pretty obvious to me he knows his days are numbered. Anyhow we all have our favs and players we don’t rate. Just my opinion on him. Hopefully we upgrade 

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    4 minutes ago, Xfactor said:

    I don’t understand comments like we know rieira has the quality. Can he dribble? No. Has he shown he can score from outside the box? No. Is he lightning fast? No. Strong with his back to goal? Not really? Takes way too many chances to convert, heading which he is supposedly good at, for me he is average also. Take away his penalties (which he is poor at also) and what exactly are his marquee qualities? I don’t see it, I’ve never seen it really with him. I’m calling bullshit that he has offers from Spain, his agent wants an extended deal here and it’s pretty obvious to me he knows his days are numbered. Anyhow we all have our favs and players we don’t rate. Just my opinion on him. Hopefully we upgrade 

    20 goals in 34 games says he is way above average for us.  Our problem this season is that we have no other goal threats so our opponents just crowd him for space.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I don’t mind what was dished up last night 

    Frustrating and oh so close but we tried and it was obvious that we made a real effort for it and gave it a red hot go which is all you can really ask for

    What I will rant about was having to fork out $37 for a ticket for my girlfriend in the “cheap” GA seats

    Couldn’t bloody see anything in the other half’s back third - terrible stadium to watch football in. Had to resort to looking at the screen more often than not for what happened on the other side

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    16 minutes ago, Flytox said:

    20 goals in 34 games says he is way above average for us.  Our problem this season is that we have no other goal threats so our opponents just crowd him for space.

    So would you re-sign Oriol as our marquee?

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    2 hours ago, Bellby said:

    Markus last night showed if you’re willing to give guys a chance they’ll give it a shake. I don’t buy into the notion we have no one on the bench or in reserve who couldn’t do the job as good or if not better then some of your favourites are currently providing.

    If nothing changes, nothing changes.

    It's very easy to demand young blood from the sideline. We saw in Melbourne what happens when boys play against men.

    "Will" is not the issue here. MB keeps stressing that - if the older and younger player for one position are at the same level - he'll always play the younger one - but the younger was has to be ready! Had Tate not been ready, had he had a bad game yesterday, the assessment of MB's decision making would be very different, and the player could have been taking a big knock too.

    I remember when van Gaal started fielding a 17 year old David Alaba as left back, back in 09/00. How excited everyone was - until Alaba made two crucial errors that resulted in two goals within a few minutes, and a lost game. Alaba didn't play for Bayern again that season, and was loaned out to Hoffenheim for a year or so.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    39 minutes ago, Xfactor said:

    So would you re-sign Oriol as our marquee?

    No. He's getting too old, he's slowing down as an already slow player. Last night he was often so far behind our quicker attacks it was almost pointless to keep going because he wasn't there.

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    53 minutes ago, FCB said:

    It's very easy to demand young blood from the sideline. We saw in Melbourne what happens when boys play against men.

    "Will" is not the issue here. MB keeps stressing that - if the older and younger player for one position are at the same level - he'll always play the younger one - but the younger was has to be ready! Had Tate not been ready, had he had a bad game yesterday, the assessment of MB's decision making would be very different, and the player could have been taking a big knock too.

    I remember when van Gaal started fielding a 17 year old David Alaba as left back, back in 09/00. How excited everyone was - until Alaba made two crucial errors that resulted in two goals within a few minutes, and a lost game. Alaba didn't play for Bayern again that season, and was loaned out to Hoffenheim for a year or so.

    I’m not specifically talking about young blood though. Up until last night, his inability to change any personnel or tactics or structure was baffling. We played 10 weeks of the same average football, getting the same results & the only move he’d make each week is to replace the 3rd & 4th subs on the bench with 2 other players likely to see 0 - 5 mins of game time. 

    Last night to his credit, he backed Russell, brought on his subs where they had enough time to influence the game, & they did, & he even relaxed his views that Roly can’t play CM & Fitz can’t play wing... we looked that much better for it. Despite the result it was the first time I’ve had a smile on my face watching our side for some time. 

    I probably am being over critical but IMO he needs to adapt to this league a lot better then he has been. Hopefully last night was the start of it. 

    Edited by Bellby

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites
    49 minutes ago, mack said:

    No. He's getting too old, he's slowing down as an already slow player. Last night he was often so far behind our quicker attacks it was almost pointless to keep going because he wasn't there.

    Indeed, he is becoming a liability on the pitch......which is why I was comparing him perhaps a little unfairly with Pio.....but yeah with Riera something has got to give...

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites



    Create an account or sign in to comment

    You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

    Create an account

    Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

    Register a new account

    Sign in

    Already have an account? Sign in here.

    Sign In Now



  • Posts

    • Hail the Thief Hail the Beath. It was he not City that stole the Victory.
    • of course every team would like to be 2010 Barca and dominate possession, chances and territory and just be camped around the opposition's area. but this isn't reality for us (or any team in a capped league really). So the best strategy is the one that will limit the opposition's chances and maximise ours. for 60 minutes + MB's strategy did this. your own analysis smoggy identifies (correctly) that our centre backs struggle to successfully pass out from the back so why would we emphasise that by trying to play triangles? We hit it long and tried to win the second ball (mostly off duke's head) and then when that didn't work we looked to catch them in possession and counter off that. Klopp's Dortmund won a lot off a similar approach - although they pressed higher - let them have it, press and trap, win the ball, counter quickly and directly. Some of the best teams in history have been counter attacking sides. To me what we did last night wasn't 'sitting back' or trying to hold the lead - it was a strategy that suits the players we have. It worked pretty well - a comedy pen and some individual errors brought us undone but we had them on toast until the pen. Some fall in to the Andy Harper trap of going - the other team had 60% possession so we must be parking the bus - that is not what I saw at all last night. No dramas though - it's football and open to interpretations all the time, that is what makes it so interesting.
    • Soggy you should because a special advisor on the coaching panels with those insights 
×
×
  • Create New...