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    VAR & FFA Must Go After Derby Disgrace


    mack

    Those in charge of Football Federation Australia must follow the VAR out the door after another display of the VAR and Australia's inept referees cheating the Wanderers, snuffing out a potential comeback in what should have been a classic Sydney Derby.

    Sydney FC scored an early goal just 4 minutes into the match. Adam Le Fondre standing in an offside position at a free kick, hung around after a half-clearance, the ball fell to him after a shot back in. Vedran Janjetovic smothered his initial shot but another piece of luck had him smack the rebound into an empty net. Replays showed that not only was Le Fondre offside at the free kick (but according to the VAR, somehow not interfering with play), but that Mahazi had been interfered with by an offside Brosque. The score was 1-0, and the VAR did nothing.

    After the break the Wanderers were two behind having gifted their opponents a golden chance to score. On the edge of their own area, Sotirio played a hospital ball to Josh Risdon, and instead of trying to clear, he played a sideways pass intended for Mahazi that was intercepted by Ninkovic, and he pounced to play through Brosque and his first time strike beat Janjetovic at the far post.

    Despite going two behind, the Wanderers did show some of the vaunted mentality Markus Babbel has been trying to instill in his charges, but when they finally converted one of their chances to score, it was cruelly and idiotically over-turned by the inept Chris Beath with an assist from the VAR. Baumjohann and Risdon worked down the right flank, the Risdon cross made it's way to the other end of the area where Roly Bonevacia smashed an 18 yard first time rocket past Andrew Redmayne.

    With no real protests from the home side, the VAR intervened to take away the goal. Chris Beath decided that Michael Zullo had been fouled by Jaushua Sotirio in the lead up to the cross. While Sotirio was in an offside position, Zullo's choice to dive into Sotirio while meters away from the ball was rewarded with Beath over-turning the decision by declaring Sotirio had fouled the SFC defender. in the aftermath Markus Babbel exploded at the fourth official, remonstrating to show his disgust at the call. He was awarded the A-League's first "Coach Red Card" by Beath. Babbel then walked around the long boundary of the Sydney Cricket Ground, a route that took him in front of the RBB who roared their approval.

    The failure was compounded in the post-game with Beath being interviewed and stating that the decision was actually offside, even though vision showed clearly that his decision was that it was a foul. Additionally, his interview stated that the linesman who was as close to Sotirio as Zullo was to Risdon, had completely missed the offside/foul and that the decision was solely made by VAR and himself.

    It was another display of referees who aren't good enough to be officiating our most important football games.

    Enough is enough.

    This is not just the VAR. Although it needs to be cancelled immediately. The VAR failed from the moment it was introduced. Bad decisions have been made since Wellington Phoenix were robbed against Sydney FC in Round 26 in 2016/17. Perth Glory were robbed in the Semi-Final in that season. The technology failed Newcastle Jets in the Grand Final last. It failed to detect Bruno Fornaroli diving in the recent Melbourne Derby. It tonight secured another game for Sydney FC. Offsides are a lottery. Tonight WSW have a goal taken away for offside. Last year Adelaide when playing against us had a clear offside goal investigated by the VAR be allowed to stand.

    The Wanderers were cruelled against Perth Glory when sideline cameras failed to be in the right decision for an obvious offside, leading to a red card against us. It ignores certain laws like encroachment at penalties, and offsides against players standing offside from free kicks. When looking at holding in the penalty area from set pieces the VAR is seemingly over intended to confirm whatever decision was made on the field. When a decision isn't made on the pitch by the referee, the basic law against holding is ignored by the VAR. The level of intervention around forceful tackles once saw the Mariners reduced by two players from VAR decisions, while other tackles that could break legs are ignored in other games.

    This is the result of a long held refusal by the FFA to enforce basic standards of officiating skill. We have seen officials give baffling offsides against players standing behind the ball being played. We have seen offsides given from a throw in. There is zero consistency in the application of offside. There is zero consistency in the application of handball. Certain teams received baffling leniency when playing tactics that deliberately disrupt their opposition with professional fouls in the midfield.

    The time for incremental change is over.

    Now that the FFA Governance saga is over, I call on whoever makes up the new FFA Board to immediately sack FFA Chief Executive David Gallop, Head of the A-League Greg O'Rourke, FFA Referees boss Ben Wilson, and A-League referees Chris Beath, Jarred Gillett, Kurt Ams, Peter Green and Shaun Evans. The FFA/A-League positions must be filled with people passionate about football. The VAR must be immediately cancelled and never return to Australian football.

    Get in touch with the football associations in German, England, Japan and Holland. Ask for the phone numbers of some consistent referees, who might be inclined to spend 6 months in the Australian summer. Bring them over. 

    The current people in charge of Football Federation Australia have lost the trust of the football community. 

    The new FFA Board must take the chance to rebuild the foundation of our sport in a positive, intelligent matter to take the sport forward once again. We risk turning the A-League into a joke, and having it be abandoned to the ruin of all the good work done by the players, clubs and supporters up to now. If the FFA fail to rectify the situation, a repeat of the ban list fan boycott is on the cards, and was called for by Mark Bosnich in the Fox Sports post-game show. I would wholeheartedly approve of that action.

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    Just gonna re-post this here:

    Beath saying the decision is "technically" correct.

    Sure, watching the replay - it's not in doubt. Yes, Sotirio is in an offside position. No factual doubt at all.

    However, I think saying that is a massive cop-out.

    There are some decisions you make (or in this case, some decisions that you do not make).

    So don't tell me the decision is "technically" correct, when there is no call on a trip on ABJ when he's charging into the box - because "trips a player" is literally a quote out of the Laws of the Game

    So don't tell me the decision is "technically" correct, when there is no call on every single time Riera is trying to manoeuvre around in the box and some ESFC players have their hands around him - because "holds an opponent" is literally a quote out of the Laws of the Game

    And don't tell me the decision is "technically" correct, when there is no call every single time Risdon or Elrich is trying to burst through the wings and some ESFC player runs in front of them and uses argy-bargy to stop them from advancing - because "impedes an opponent" is literally a quote out of the Laws of the Game

    For "footballing" reasons that I understand, you don't call every single hold, trip, or push because that just unnecessarily holds up the game. Conversely then, why would you call this "offside" that doesn't need to be called? The cross was going to come in anyway. Roly still would've scored even if the idiot Grant had more spatial awareness and ran around Sotirio.

    "Technically" the decision is correct, but sometimes you shouldn't call everything.

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    7 minutes ago, mack said:

    Those in charge of Football Federation Australia must follow the VAR out the door after another display of the VAR and Australia's inept referees cheating the Wanderers, snuffing out a potential comeback in what should have been a classic Sydney Derby.

    Sydney FC scored an early goal just 4 minutes into the match. Adam Le Fondre standing in an offside position at a free kick, hung around after a half-clearance, the ball fell to him after a shot back in. Vedran Janjetovic smothered his initial shot but another piece of luck had him smack the rebound into an empty net. Replays showed that not only was Le Fondre offside at the free kick (but according to the VAR, somehow not interfering with play), but that Mahazi had been interfered with by an offside Brosque. The score was 1-0, and the VAR did nothing.

    After the break the Wanderers were two behind having gifted their opponents a golden chance to score. On the edge of their own area, Sotirio played a hospital ball to Josh Risdon, and instead of trying to clear, he played a sideways pass intended for Mahazi that was intercepted by Ninkovic, and he pounced to play through Brosque and his first time strike beat Janjetovic at the far post.

    Despite going two behind, the Wanderers did show some of the vaunted mentality Markus Babbel has been trying to instill in his charges, but when they finally converted one of their chances to score, it was cruelly and idiotically over-turned by the inept Chris Beath with an assist from the VAR. Baumjohann and Risdon worked down the right flank, the Risdon cross made it's way to the other end of the area where Roly Bonevacia smashed an 18 yard first time rocket past Andrew Redmayne.

    With no real protests from the home side, the VAR intervened to take away the goal. Chris Beath decided that Michael Zullo had been fouled by Jaushua Sotirio in the lead up to the cross. While Sotirio was in an offside position, Zullo's choice to dive into Sotirio while meters away from the ball was rewarded with Beath over-turning the decision by declaring Sotirio had fouled the SFC defender. in the aftermath Markus Babbel exploded at the fourth official, remonstrating to show his disgust at the call. He was awarded the A-League's first "Coach Red Card" by Beath. Babbel then walked around the long boundary of the Sydney Cricket Ground, a route that took him in front of the RBB who roared their approval.

    The failure was compounded in the post-game with Beath being interviewed and stating that the decision was actually offside, even though vision showed clearly that his decision was that it was a foul. Additionally, his interview stated that the linesman who was as close to Sotirio as Zullo was to Risdon, had completely missed the offside/foul and that the decision was solely made by VAR and himself.

    It was another display of referees who aren't good enough to be officiating our most important football games.

    Enough is enough.

    This is not just the VAR. Although it needs to be cancelled immediately. The VAR failed from the moment it was introduced. Bad decisions have been made since Wellington Phoenix were robbed against Sydney FC in Round 26 in 2016/17. Perth Glory were robbed in the Semi-Final in that season. The technology failed Newcastle Jets in the Grand Final last. It failed to detect Bruno Fornaroli diving in the recent Melbourne Derby. It tonight secured another game for Sydney FC. Offsides are a lottery. Tonight WSW have a goal taken away for offside. Last year Adelaide when playing against us had a clear offside goal investigated by the VAR be allowed to stand.

    The Wanderers were cruelled against Perth Glory when sideline cameras failed to be in the right decision for an obvious offside, leading to a red card against us. It ignores certain laws like encroachment at penalties, and offsides against players standing offside from free kicks. When looking at holding in the penalty area from set pieces the VAR is seemingly over intended to confirm whatever decision was made on the field. When a decision isn't made on the pitch by the referee, the basic law against holding is ignored by the VAR. The level of intervention around forceful tackles once saw the Mariners reduced by two players from VAR decisions, while other tackles that could break legs are ignored in other games.

    This is the result of a long held refusal by the FFA to enforce basic standards of officiating skill. We have seen officials give baffling offsides against players standing behind the ball being played. We have seen offsides given from a throw in. There is zero consistency in the application of offside. There is zero consistency in the application of handball. Certain teams received baffling leniency when playing tactics that deliberately disrupt their opposition with professional fouls in the midfield.

    The time for incremental change is over.

    Now that the FFA Governance saga is over, I call on whoever makes up the new FFA Board to immediately sack FFA Chief Executive David Gallop, Head of the A-League Greg O'Rourke, FFA Referees boss Ben Wilson, and A-League referees Chris Beath, Jarred Gillett, Kurt Ams, Peter Green and Shaun Evans. The FFA/A-League positions must be filled with people passionate about football. The VAR must be immediately cancelled and never return to Australian football.

    Get in touch with the football associations in German, England, Japan and Holland. Ask for the phone numbers of some consistent referees, who might be inclined to spend 6 months in the Australian summer. Bring them over. 

    The current people in charge of Football Federation Australia have lost the trust of the football community. 

    The new FFA Board must take the chance to rebuild the foundation of our sport in a positive, intelligent matter to take the sport forward once again. We risk turning the A-League into a joke, and having it be abandoned to the ruin of all the good work done by the players, clubs and supporters up to now. If the FFA fail to rectify the situation, a repeat of the ban list fan boycott is on the cards, and was called for by Mark Bosnich in the Fox Sports post-game show. I would wholeheartedly approve of that action.

     

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    Well said Mack.

    Glad you didn't miss the chief cheat Ben Wilson FFA Head of Refereeing.

    And they wonder why no Australian referees were nominated for any position at the recent World Cup.

    Edited by Paul01
    Correction

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    Well said Mack!

     

    There will be enough talk of VAR in here I see little fulfilment in discussing it nor Chris Beath as he is an utter total ****

     
    I want to call out the RBB Despite not being big in numbers put in a great shift and should be proud of their efforts. 
     
    Babbel gave the reaction you want to see fantastic work, his emotion showed what people are thinking of the current number 1 crisis in our game. 
     
    The defending and decision making on both goals was not good enough and esfc punished us deservedly so - Babbel warned all of the execution success rate. 
     
    The changes made were good changes and we started to dominate play after them. 
     
    Baum was good again very classy on the ball and Roly worked his socks off and took his goal
    well, yes he missed a sitter it happens. 
    Overall we grew into the game but it wasn’t meant to be. 
     
    Next week away to the nix is a must win now - Babbel needs to win the game. Kamau must start in front of Sotorio and I still think we need a better central midfield combination. 
     
    **** odd esfc can’t deny your win at same time we have closed the gap on these ****s 
     

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    6 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

    It's simple.

    No more away games, bare minimum commitment to home games.

    No more focus on other clubs or the A-League in general.

    Tell everyone why and make sure the feedback goes back to the clubs and the FFA.

    Losing a game because you are outplayed is part of the deal with football...with any sport.

    But having the soul ripped out of you time and time again because of the consistently anti-football measures in effect on and off the pitch is killing my love of the game & my care factor for the A-League.

    Always Red & Black

    Barely caring now about the league and those associated with the sport outside my club.

    I’m up for that. 

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    5 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

    It's simple.

    No more away games, bare minimum commitment to home games.

    No more focus on other clubs or the A-League in general.

    Tell everyone why and make sure the feedback goes back to the clubs and the FFA.

    Losing a game because you are outplayed is part of the deal with football...with any sport.

    But having the soul ripped out of you time and time again because of the consistently anti-football measures in effect on and off the pitch is killing my love of the game & my care factor for the A-League.

    Always Red & Black

    Barely caring now about the league and those associated with the sport outside my club.

    We're in +20 (just decided as a group)

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    7 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

    Sure, watching the replay - it's not in doubt. Yes, Sotirio is in an offside position. No factual doubt at all.

    Yes, and that also doesn't mean he's committed and offence. Because being in an offside position isn't an offence (which I know you're aware of, just wanted to reiterate that).

    Zullo dives into Sotirio, nowhere near the ball. Since Sotirio hasn't committed a foul himself, the only way it can be an offence is if Zullo has any hope of getting to the ball and/or the player who had it. Neither of these were true. And yet Beath calls it a direct free kick (ie, a foul not offside) then goes and calls it offside in the post-match question.

    And yet, given offside. I mentioned Perth Glory getting robbed in a semi-final. That night, the SFC player was a lot closer to the ball and yet VAR decided not to award it.

    VAR is bad enough, but when you add SFC bias on top, it de-legitimises the A-League.

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    4 minutes ago, mack said:

    These two tweets lined up perfectly.

    lol.JPG.8f254eb0354bfc15329f31a87ce3272e.JPG

    Does that bloke Slater care about the game???? Geez on what Earth is that offside and impeding play? 

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    12 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

    Just gonna re-post this here:

     

     

    Beath getting sacked is a start. What a joke of a ref. At least have the balls to say that you ****ed up.

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    Yes to all that Mack  not to mention the missed penalty call.

    12 minutes ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

    It's simple.

    No more away games, bare minimum commitment to home games.

    No more focus on other clubs or the A-League in general.

    Tell everyone why and make sure the feedback goes back to the clubs and the FFA.

    Losing a game because you are outplayed is part of the deal with football...with any sport.

    But having the soul ripped out of you time and time again because of the consistently anti-football measures in effect on and off the pitch is killing my love of the game & my care factor for the A-League.

    Always Red & Black

    Barely caring now about the league and those associated with the sport outside my club.

    I am feeling pretty low right now and can see the appeal in this

    Be interesting to see the narrative and discussion over the next few days. I won't hold my breath that it will be positive for us or any other team except esfc.  

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    10 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Hotel room up for sale in Mudgee...

    Nahhhhh, see you there :P

    Ummmm...

    Exactly WHO  is going to be seeing the elusive Smoggy?? :lol:

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    1 minute ago, wendybr said:

    Ummmm...

    Exactly WHO  is going to be seeing the elusive Smoggy?? :lol:

    I wasn't so ******* elusive when that VAR decision came through...:xmad: The women sat next to me looked quite horrified :D

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    15 minutes ago, mack said:

    Yes, and that also doesn't mean he's committed and offence. Because being in an offside position isn't an offence (which I know you're aware of, just wanted to reiterate that).

     Zullo dives into Sotirio, nowhere near the ball. Since Sotirio hasn't committed a foul himself, the only way it can be an offence is if Zullo has any hope of getting to the ball and/or the player who had it. Neither of these were true.

    And yet, given offside. I mentioned Perth Glory getting robbed in a semi-final. That night, the SFC player was a lot closer to the ball and yet VAR decided not to award it.

     VAR is bad enough, but when you add SFC bias on top, it de-legitimises the A-League.

    This.  Beath's technical defense isn't even correct. 

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    7 minutes ago, EmMac said:

    Yes to all that Mack  not to mention the missed penalty call.

    I am feeling pretty low right now and can see the appeal in this

    Be interesting to see the narrative and discussion over the next few days. I won't hold my breath that it will be positive for us or any other team except esfc.  

    I am not in..will continue to go to all the games I can get to.... because even with the shyte I enjoy being at a game....it takes my mind off normal world stuff,...yes I get angry with the VAR..of course I do, it is a disaster for the ******* game here...but will keep on going...if I have to sit in a bay all of my own like the Parra Power days so be it :D

    Edited by Smoggy

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    1 minute ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

    That penalty call was a foul but it was outside the box VAR loophole don't rule

    But it should have been called and the Dutch Smurf should have been yellow carded for stopping a promising attack.

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    The feeling of injustice was palpable, as soon as that fecking Beath rorted us, wrong i know , but i felt like jumping the fence and unleashing hell, but common sense & decency held me back, and probably a couple of thousand more.....

    Well done to the team thereafter for showing some grit and never giving up to the end, could easily have turned to a 4 niller otherwise

     

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    Totally agree with the VAR being a joke that needs to be fuucked off ASAP! BUT! How many corners do we need before someone gets their noggin on the end of one? ....on target! How’s about we control the ball better n counter quickly instead of this slow crap? pass it forward more often maybe? Learn to shoot better , work the keeper??? 

    Its a fuucking DERBY against a bunch of chunts....let’s treat them that way! Where was the mongrel? How about spend the first 15mins smashing these pricks , let them know they’re in for a fight FFS!!! We need a hard arse DM quickly, another decent striker to come off the bench n about 6-7 more first team quality players that want to die out there for the team. Can we lure Santa back? 

    Lets face it , the team is made up of 3-4 great players 1-2 decent players then the rest just squaddies . :nono:

    i want to see blood spilt! SMURF BLOOD FFS!!!

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    10 minutes ago, Alexander said:

    I’m just here to say I love Markus Babbel and I love Mark Bosnich 

    What are your thoughts on Mark Schwarzer?

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    I'm not angry just disappointed 

    Obviously we need to work on defence given how the two "accepted" goals scored

    Watching the game at the SCG, it was so deflating  to see Roly take his chance and celebrate with the rest of the RBB only for the ref to stare a computer for a couple of minutes and take away the goal

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    Technicality? Technicality over my fat hairy arse!

    I have never seen in football player who was offside, who had no part in the play whilst coming back onside to be called offside.

    That's like going from 80kmh to 60kmh but get pulled over by a cop for travelling 15kmh over whilst you are trying to slow down but cop uses the technicality of the law to say you were still over the speed limit.

    Beath tried to find an excuse to cover up his **** up but no one is buying it

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    11 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

    That penalty call was a foul but it was outside the box VAR loophole don't rule

    I think you should take a look at all the angles. If Baumjohann was tripped you could argue that it was outside the box, but it was the Sydney defender's hip 2 steps into the box that fell Baumjohann.

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    Ok take out Var c*** out and the players had a terrible game with mistakes. Mahazi left Le Fondre onside, 2nd goal 2 unnecessary fouls from Roly for the freekick and defence not clearing the ball out. 

    Again same story we had chances in the 1st half to be level at least

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