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    VAR & FFA Must Go After Derby Disgrace


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    Those in charge of Football Federation Australia must follow the VAR out the door after another display of the VAR and Australia's inept referees cheating the Wanderers, snuffing out a potential comeback in what should have been a classic Sydney Derby.

    Sydney FC scored an early goal just 4 minutes into the match. Adam Le Fondre standing in an offside position at a free kick, hung around after a half-clearance, the ball fell to him after a shot back in. Vedran Janjetovic smothered his initial shot but another piece of luck had him smack the rebound into an empty net. Replays showed that not only was Le Fondre offside at the free kick (but according to the VAR, somehow not interfering with play), but that Mahazi had been interfered with by an offside Brosque. The score was 1-0, and the VAR did nothing.

    After the break the Wanderers were two behind having gifted their opponents a golden chance to score. On the edge of their own area, Sotirio played a hospital ball to Josh Risdon, and instead of trying to clear, he played a sideways pass intended for Mahazi that was intercepted by Ninkovic, and he pounced to play through Brosque and his first time strike beat Janjetovic at the far post.

    Despite going two behind, the Wanderers did show some of the vaunted mentality Markus Babbel has been trying to instill in his charges, but when they finally converted one of their chances to score, it was cruelly and idiotically over-turned by the inept Chris Beath with an assist from the VAR. Baumjohann and Risdon worked down the right flank, the Risdon cross made it's way to the other end of the area where Roly Bonevacia smashed an 18 yard first time rocket past Andrew Redmayne.

    With no real protests from the home side, the VAR intervened to take away the goal. Chris Beath decided that Michael Zullo had been fouled by Jaushua Sotirio in the lead up to the cross. While Sotirio was in an offside position, Zullo's choice to dive into Sotirio while meters away from the ball was rewarded with Beath over-turning the decision by declaring Sotirio had fouled the SFC defender. in the aftermath Markus Babbel exploded at the fourth official, remonstrating to show his disgust at the call. He was awarded the A-League's first "Coach Red Card" by Beath. Babbel then walked around the long boundary of the Sydney Cricket Ground, a route that took him in front of the RBB who roared their approval.

    The failure was compounded in the post-game with Beath being interviewed and stating that the decision was actually offside, even though vision showed clearly that his decision was that it was a foul. Additionally, his interview stated that the linesman who was as close to Sotirio as Zullo was to Risdon, had completely missed the offside/foul and that the decision was solely made by VAR and himself.

    It was another display of referees who aren't good enough to be officiating our most important football games.

    Enough is enough.

    This is not just the VAR. Although it needs to be cancelled immediately. The VAR failed from the moment it was introduced. Bad decisions have been made since Wellington Phoenix were robbed against Sydney FC in Round 26 in 2016/17. Perth Glory were robbed in the Semi-Final in that season. The technology failed Newcastle Jets in the Grand Final last. It failed to detect Bruno Fornaroli diving in the recent Melbourne Derby. It tonight secured another game for Sydney FC. Offsides are a lottery. Tonight WSW have a goal taken away for offside. Last year Adelaide when playing against us had a clear offside goal investigated by the VAR be allowed to stand.

    The Wanderers were cruelled against Perth Glory when sideline cameras failed to be in the right decision for an obvious offside, leading to a red card against us. It ignores certain laws like encroachment at penalties, and offsides against players standing offside from free kicks. When looking at holding in the penalty area from set pieces the VAR is seemingly over intended to confirm whatever decision was made on the field. When a decision isn't made on the pitch by the referee, the basic law against holding is ignored by the VAR. The level of intervention around forceful tackles once saw the Mariners reduced by two players from VAR decisions, while other tackles that could break legs are ignored in other games.

    This is the result of a long held refusal by the FFA to enforce basic standards of officiating skill. We have seen officials give baffling offsides against players standing behind the ball being played. We have seen offsides given from a throw in. There is zero consistency in the application of offside. There is zero consistency in the application of handball. Certain teams received baffling leniency when playing tactics that deliberately disrupt their opposition with professional fouls in the midfield.

    The time for incremental change is over.

    Now that the FFA Governance saga is over, I call on whoever makes up the new FFA Board to immediately sack FFA Chief Executive David Gallop, Head of the A-League Greg O'Rourke, FFA Referees boss Ben Wilson, and A-League referees Chris Beath, Jarred Gillett, Kurt Ams, Peter Green and Shaun Evans. The FFA/A-League positions must be filled with people passionate about football. The VAR must be immediately cancelled and never return to Australian football.

    Get in touch with the football associations in German, England, Japan and Holland. Ask for the phone numbers of some consistent referees, who might be inclined to spend 6 months in the Australian summer. Bring them over. 

    The current people in charge of Football Federation Australia have lost the trust of the football community. 

    The new FFA Board must take the chance to rebuild the foundation of our sport in a positive, intelligent matter to take the sport forward once again. We risk turning the A-League into a joke, and having it be abandoned to the ruin of all the good work done by the players, clubs and supporters up to now. If the FFA fail to rectify the situation, a repeat of the ban list fan boycott is on the cards, and was called for by Mark Bosnich in the Fox Sports post-game show. I would wholeheartedly approve of that action.

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    On the train last night was thinking back to previous  seasons  against the smurfs..Remember when we used to turn up and totally outdo them on the terraces, put those Covite pubescent school boys to total shame. Sure we didn't win much but  the crowd experience for me made up for it to a certain extent 

    Last night actually a better turnout from us  than I expected  considering the location and recent form, hats off to the active folks did a great job and this is not a criticism at all  but we just do not  have the numbers anymore to dominate them on the terraces, much as it pains me to admit it  they had it all over us last night off the pitch .

    I know there are many reasons, bans, SOP, over policing ,price gouging poor performance on the pitch etc etc

    Makes me sad to think what it used to be. Will the good times return when we got to new stadium next season ?

    Also

    Sotirio  is not a footballer 

    how does Risdon get a game for Socceroos

    Starting to have a man crush on Babbel...

    COYW

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    2 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

    I actually went and looked at their forum.  Aside from needing to rinse myself of smurfitis, I came away surprised. Most of them think it wasn't a foul, others think that it was too close to change. There's only one or two (this was last night so may be more now) that thought it was the right call.  They all hate Beath and the VAR. When the rival fans agree with you, that's saying something.

    Beath was the one who reffed the derby that ended their unbeaten season. They’re still mad at him for waving away the Brosque penalty claim at the end.

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    11 minutes ago, Horus said:

    Agreed with everything so far in regard to the VAR

    Will say I loved Babbel and his presser last night was great...when he said he came to Australia thinking it was going to be rough/ tough but its like basketball...someone gets touched you only have to scream and its a foul...100%

    The refs are way too easily influenced. You go down, they call a foul (unless it's Brilliante, O'Neill or Grant committing it). You call for a throw or corner, they give you it 9 times out of 10. 

    I remember when I was about 12 my Dad told me not to put my arm up to say it was my throw when the ball went out - "just pick up the ball and take the throw" he says, the ref won't bring it back. That's what A-league refs are like. U12 stuff.

     

    EDIT: This was when I should have had a throw but didn't get it. Pretty sure he wasn't encouraging me to cheat when it wasnt our throw...

    pretty sure, but not certain...:lol:

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    The VAR was the right decision. I was blowing up at the game but on review it was correct.

    **** this victim mentality we are starting to get as a club, especially us supporters. Boycotting, protesting over a couple of calls? Seriously? That’s football.

    Simple fact is, we were bang average for a lot of last nights game, as we were for a lot of Rnd 1 as well. Our team selections are baffling, we have decent footballers on the bench & not even in the squad because they were signed by a previous coach & are now no longer wanted etc. Instead of blaming every external factor & whinging about how hard done by we are, we have to fix the things we can control. 

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    2 hours ago, pys said:

    whats the deal with vedran and the hole in the door? he was joking with fc players after the match did not seem in a volatile mood then gets back to the rooms and puts a hole in the door. 

    Might have been Nizic.

    Also it was Bozza's idea for a protest not ours.

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    1 hour ago, Horus said:

    Agreed with everything so far in regard to the VAR

    Will say I loved Babbel and his presser last night was great...when he said he came to Australia thinking it was going to be rough/ tough but its like basketball...someone gets touched you only have to scream and its a foul...100%

     Every sane person knows the VAR decision was wrong......

     

     

    Then you have Robbie Slater...what a special guy....

    And this Bellby fella above lol

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    3 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

     Every sane person knows the VAR decision was wrong......

     

     

    Then you have Robbie Slater...what a special guy....

    And this Bellby fella above lol

    Genuine question, Why was it incorrect though?

    Sotorio was offside & affected the play, even if it was unintentional. Harsh call, yeh 100%, but it was the right one.

     

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    51 minutes ago, jockman said:

    On the train last night was thinking back to previous  seasons  against the smurfs..Remember when we used to turn up and totally outdo them on the terraces, put those Covite pubescent school boys to total shame. Sure we didn't win much but  the crowd experience for me made up for it to a certain extent 

    Last night actually a better turnout from us  than I expected  considering the location and recent form, hats off to the active folks did a great job and this is not a criticism at all  but we just do not  have the numbers anymore to dominate them on the terraces, much as it pains me to admit it  they had it all over us last night off the pitch .

    I know there are many reasons, bans, SOP, over policing ,price gouging poor performance on the pitch etc etc

    Makes me sad to think what it used to be. Will the good times return when we got to new stadium next season ?

    Also

    Sotirio  is not a footballer 

    how does Risdon get a game for Socceroos

    Starting to have a man crush on Babbel...

    COYW

    You can add terrible VAR decisions to the list of reasons people don’t go

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    45 minutes ago, Bellby said:

    The VAR was the right decision. I was blowing up at the game but on review it was correct.

    **** this victim mentality we are starting to get as a club, especially us supporters. Boycotting, protesting over a couple of calls? Seriously? That’s football.

    Simple fact is, we were bang average for a lot of last nights game, as we were for a lot of Rnd 1 as well. Our team selections are baffling, we have decent footballers on the bench & not even in the squad because they were signed by a previous coach & are now no longer wanted etc. Instead of blaming every external factor & whinging about how hard done by we are, we have to fix the things we can control. 

    you are kidding.  The decision was wrong on so many levels, see above.  As for being bang average, well in patches we were but football is about momentum, and in patches we were very good, we get a goal, confidence and momentum changes.  We created 3 clear chances in the first half which we butchered, in the second we should of had a goal clearly not given, we hit the post, we should of had a pen or at the very least a free on the edge of the box and we were correctly ruled a goal out for an offside call late in the piece.  As for the team decisions, aside from Sotirio (which I dont understand) you can't make strawberry jam out of pig ****.

     

    Edited by scarcev

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    The VAR call was so bad we haven’t even heard about the ABJ body check or Le Fondre’s first goal being being dodgy. FMD.

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    1 hour ago, Bellby said:

    Genuine question, Why was it incorrect though?

    Sotorio was offside & affected the play, even if it was unintentional. Harsh call, yeh 100%, but it was the right one.

     

    The problem is it wasn't interpreted that way after the VAR decision by the ref. As he indicated it as a foul (direct free kick). 

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    It has to do with the colour of the shirt and nothing else. 

     

    Edited by scarcev

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    1 hour ago, Bellby said:

    Genuine question, Why was it incorrect though?

    Sotorio was offside & affected the play, even if it was unintentional. Harsh call, yeh 100%, but it was the right one.

     

    On the same account why did their first goal stand (after the VAR review) the player came from an offside position but was deemed not to interfere with play. Every player on the field is interfering with play directly or indirectly....where do you draw the line. ?

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    3 minutes ago, tardotz said:

    On the same account why did their first goal stand (after the VAR review) the player came from an offside position but was deemed not to interfere with play. Every player on the field is interfering with play directly or indirectly....where do you draw the line. ?

    As Mack said in his match report, Brosque was offside and Mahazi had to run around him to try to block the shot. By the interpretation used to rule out our goal that shouldn't have been allowed to stand. Or should Mahazi have deliberately run into an opponent to prevent the goal?

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    2 hours ago, btron3000 said:

    I actually went and looked at their forum.  Aside from needing to rinse myself of smurfitis, I came away surprised. Most of them think it wasn't a foul, others think that it was too close to change. There's only one or two (this was last night so may be more now) that thought it was the right call.  They all hate Beath and the VAR. When the rival fans agree with you, that's saying something.

    There is a fair amount of them saying that Beath is in the wrong. 

    If you strip away all the SFC and WSW fans, you can see other viewers (CCM, ADL, MC, BR, etc) pretty much saying that it's the wrong decision too. 

    I can't see the FFA fixing this and if I can't see any correction, then what's the point?

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    2 hours ago, btron3000 said:

    The refs are way too easily influenced. You go down, they call a foul (unless it's Brilliante, O'Neill or Grant committing it). You call for a throw or corner, they give you it 9 times out of 10. 

     I remember when I was about 12 my Dad told me not to put my arm up to say it was my throw when the ball went out - "just pick up the ball and take the throw" he says, the ref won't bring it back. That's what A-league refs are like. U12 stuff.

      

    EDIT: This was when I should have had a throw but didn't get it. Pretty sure he wasn't encouraging me to cheat when it wasnt our throw...

    pretty sure, but not certain...:lol:

    Possession is nine-tenths of the law :)

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    37 minutes ago, scarcev said:

    It has to do with the colour of the shirt and nothing else. 

     

    There's a reason why they are called VAR FC

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    3 hours ago, Bellby said:

    The VAR was the right decision. I was blowing up at the game but on review it was correct.

    **** this victim mentality we are starting to get as a club, especially us supporters. Boycotting, protesting over a couple of calls? Seriously? That’s football.

    Simple fact is, we were bang average for a lot of last nights game, as we were for a lot of Rnd 1 as well. Our team selections are baffling, we have decent footballers on the bench & not even in the squad because they were signed by a previous coach & are now no longer wanted etc. Instead of blaming every external factor & whinging about how hard done by we are, we have to fix the things we can control. 

    Mapman, is that you??

    Four of the five Gombau's signings were playing, plus the Gombau promoted Baccus jnr. Five of Popa's men were playing. Two of Babbel's three signing were playing. Who are the decent footballers who are on the bench or not in the squad? The ones who are injured? Away on national team duty? Or are you talking about Fitzgerald who can't cut it at top HAL level, or Raul who is currently behind Elrich? What are the things that we can fix that we can control? Do tell!

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    3 hours ago, Bellby said:

    The VAR was the right decision. I was blowing up at the game but on review it was correct.

    **** this victim mentality we are starting to get as a club, especially us supporters. Boycotting, protesting over a couple of calls? Seriously? That’s football.

    Simple fact is, we were bang average for a lot of last nights game, as we were for a lot of Rnd 1 as well. Our team selections are baffling, we have decent footballers on the bench & not even in the squad because they were signed by a previous coach & are now no longer wanted etc. Instead of blaming every external factor & whinging about how hard done by we are, we have to fix the things we can control. 

    I can understand the argument for why it was disallowed. I don’t agree, but I get it.

    The biggest issue for me though, is “clear and obvious error”. It’s not being used like that.

    That’s why, if they have to have it, I think they should just let the VAR overrule if they see a CLEAR AND OBVIOUS error. Having dudes check their own work is a disaster. First, they don’t always check things properly if they thought they saw something on the field (Melb derby). Second, they are too worried about making sure they get everything technically correct because they don’t want to be wrong (Syd derby). Third, they’re checking on sub par technology. Fourth, it stops the game too often.

    Just let the game go and let VAR overturn only if clearly wrong. The least controversial moments have always been when it doesn’t get involved when it should. It’s much worse to stop the game, check the video for 2 minutes, then get it wrong anyway.

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    37 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

    i have hated VAR from the start. 2 biggest reasons....

    1. Undermines the authority and confidence of the onground officials. last night 's incident occurred 5 metres from the AR & 10 from the centre ref. If they can't see a foul/offside in real time then it's play on and we all live with decisions right or wrong.

    2. It makes you look and feel like an idiot as a fan. You celebrate and jump around when the ball hits the net. Then you stand around for five minutes then you are told it wasn't a goal. It's not football.

    as a ref myself (at much lower level of course) - I hate the VAR. as a fan at the ground I REALLY hate the VAR. even when implemented 'well' as at the world cup I still don't want it.

     

    Agree with all of this. To keep banging the same point, if they let it play and only got involved for clear errors, the ref would be more comfortable just making calls. He wouldn’t know how close some are till later. Overruling him doesn’t help his confidence, but I think it’s a better option than making him go check his own homework on the sideline, where he feels even more pressure to get it right. Let someone else take that pressure off him.

    Course, like you I don’t like it at all, but just thinking of minimising the damage because I doubt they scrap it.

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    14 hours ago, ManfredSchaefer said:

    It's simple.

    No more away games, bare minimum commitment to home games.

    No more focus on other clubs or the A-League in general.

    Tell everyone why and make sure the feedback goes back to the clubs and the FFA.

    Losing a game because you are outplayed is part of the deal with football...with any sport.

    But having the soul ripped out of you time and time again because of the consistently anti-football measures in effect on and off the pitch is killing my love of the game & my care factor for the A-League.

    Always Red & Black

    Barely caring now about the league and those associated with the sport outside my club.

    No mate, it's not that simple at all.

    Beath, O'Rourke, the guy who is in charge of refs, refs in general, even the faceless men watching the VAR screens - they all would have had a sleepless night, and I'd say there are a few more to come for them. They created an all mighty storm, they did it all themselves, and there is not a single flare thrower they can blame and use to deflect the attention.

    Something needs to be done. I doubt though it will be by the current decision makers who are on their way out, or are standing on moving disintegrating ice floats as far as their job security is concerned. We'll just have to wait and see what happens once the new board comes in. But boycotts are not the answer. You can't support your team/club if you are turning away from the game the way you propose.

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    13 hours ago, Swarth said:

    i am with the boycott, mostly because i have zero passion for the wanderers and cant be bothered going to matches but this is a good excuse :P

    They might sign Gombau again one day, if that's what it takes to rekindle your passion. Maybe the position as driver for the WSW team bus will become vacant at some stage...

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    4 minutes ago, FCB said:

    But boycotts are not the answer. You can't support your team/club if you are turning away from the game the way you propose.

    I was ready to walk out last night and if la Banda and capos etc. had left I’d have gone too. But what we did was better. We got angry, we got louder. We sounded like RBB should.

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    3 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

    I was ready to walk out last night and if la Banda and capos etc. had left I’d have gone too. But what we did was better. We got angry, we got louder. We sounded like RBB should.

    A walkout would have been the wrong move, would make it seem like we were just upset with the one decision.

    One of the things I have always been most proud of in active support is the way we have always responded to going down. Always louder. I have always enjoyed that too. So yeah, would have not been the right response. And hopefully this is something that galvanises this season a bit.

    The problem is that this is a continuous widespread issue that has been an issues across the league for whole season already.

    A co-ordinated response across all clubs (or, all clubs minus one, most likely) would force their hand.

    They were ridiculed last season relentlessly, many decisions had major implications that were highly embarassing, but they've not done a thing. We're here again. Saying, "oh well, they'll get it together one day" and giving them your hard-earned is the number 1 way to keep the status quo.

     

     

     

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    1 hour ago, lloydy136 said:

     

    2. It makes you look and feel like an idiot as a fan. You celebrate and jump around when the ball hits the net. Then you stand around for five minutes then you are told it wasn't a goal. It's not football.

     

     

    After the VAR review and Beath stuck his arm out to signal a foul (even though apparently he didn't mean that) the people around me thought he was signalling that the VAR meant the goal stood for us and they celebrated again. I had to tell a small group that he hadn't given it and it took them a few moments to get it. So there were a number of people in the upper area that celebrated the disallowed goal twice. I don't blame them for getting confused or knocking their knowledge of football, I celebrated the goal like mad but as soon as VAR flashed up I am a negative chunt anyway and was saying to my son that this goal was going to be chalked off. But felt for those celebrating twice.

    Its just an absolute mess.

    Edited by Smoggy

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