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    The Wanderers faced Brisbane Roar in a must-win game to keep what small hope of playing in the A-League finals in Parramatta on Sunday, completing a 2-0 win over a gallant but overmatched Brisbane Roar as Bernie Ibini & Bruce Kamau secured all three points.

    Carl Robinson looked to turn around the Wanderers 3 game losing streak by making three changes. Mark Natta was replaced by Tass Mourdoukoutas, Tate Russell was dropped for Daniel Wilmering with Aquilina shifting to right fullback. As Mitch Duke departed the club following his national team call up & end of his loan spell his spot in the lineup was filled by Bernie Ibini. Brisbane had to rotate their squad and made four changes including starlet Dylan Wenzel-Halls suffering from an ingrown toenail coming out and dropping to the bench in favour of Alex Parsons.

    The first chance of the game fell to Bernie Ibini, he was played through the middle in on goal but couldn't get free of the defence and his shot was easily blocked. The second chance was for Bruce Kamau moments later, who was played in by Keanu Baccus, looking offside in the live action, he finished well past Jamie Young but after a quick VAR review the goal was cancelled out. Brisbane had their own similar chance as Wilmering was caught ouf of position, a turnover exposed the space in the left flank and Riku Danzaki ran onto the ball, attempted a lob over the top of Daniel Margush but he stuck out the hand and knocked it over the bar.

    Brisbane began a counter-attack in the 16th minute, Joey Champness finding Danzaki in the middle, who moved it on to Parsons. After standing up Ziggy Gordon he fired through, getting a slight deflection that had Margush worried for a moment before he dealt with the shot by turning it aside for a corner.

    Jamie Young had to adjust quickly when Graham Dorrans cut onto his favoured right foot and blasted a long range shot that flew off the feet of Macaulay Gillesphey, the keeper quickly moving his feet to leap at and turn behind the shot. The corner somehow fell past everyone into the 6 yard box but none of the attackers were in the right spot and the Roar cleared it away. Young was on the spot again when Steven Ugarkovic launched an incredible ball over the top on the turn, Baccus had broken the front line coming deep from the midfield but couldn't get the ball over or around the onrushing Young.

    The Wanderers finally found the goal their play deserved in the 27th minute. Aquilina carried the ball into the Roar half, he found Ibini outside the edge of the penalty area, he turned, and with no closing down coming from the Brisbane defence he fired a speculative shot from the tge of the area, he was perfectly placed and powerful enough that Jamie Young was well beaten to make the score 1-0.

    Seconds before half-time Danzaki had yet another identical chance, receiving the ball on the right from Parsons, cutting side and shooting. Margush dived early, perhaps mislead by a deflection but kept his boot out just enough to stop what would have been a cruel equaliser. The last action of the half came as former Wanderer Scott Neville's right footed, fierce strike from a long way out had Margush beaten but not the near post, hammering the camera position behind the goal.

    Wilmering came off at half-time for Russell, a tactical switch for a player on a yellow card with Aquilina going back to his usual left fullback position. A minute into the half the Wanderers went on the attack, Ibini took advantage of a slip from Corey Brown to play in Baccus who got around the defence only to slip over himself as the ball rolled toward the byline. The game eased into a slower tempo than the first half, but one that the Wanderers dominated. On the hour mark Dorrans and Ibini both had shots blocked away, Ibini having a golden chance after a corner that was played short that the Roar couldn't clear away. His left footed volley went wide. Keanu Baccus put the ball in the back of the net after tangling with the defence and knocking it past Young with his knee but the offside flag went up and ruled it out.

    Tass Mourdoukoutas cut out a ball into the box with a diving stretch, Aquilina then began a lightning attack after beating two defenders with the ball and changing the point of attack with a diagonal ball for Russell. He played in Ibini and his cutback needed the block from the Roar to prevent a tap-in for Baccus. 15 minutes to go and the Roar should have equalised. A diagonal cross found Danazki, he nodded it into the path of substitute Cyrus Dehmie, with McGowan tripping over it looked like Dehmie would burst the back of the net only to have Gordon & Mourdoukoutas to fly in from the sides to make a vital block. Kamau then tore through the Roar defence, skipping past three attackers then shooting on his left, wide at the far post.

    Margush had to go down low to his left once again with Dehmie staying on his feet and shooting low to the near post. From the resulting corner Jay O'Shea recovered the clearance and then won another corner on the far side. The next corner was blocked on the line by Dorrans, and the third Neville just outjumped Gordon but hit his header wide. With Mourdoukoutas down hurt on the turf Roar somehow managed to miss equalising. With the empty space left defending against 10 men, Rahmat Akbari played in Kai Trewin, his cross found Danzaki and he somehow conspired to mishit the tap-in under the pressure of Russell and also managed to avoid rebounding it off one of the Wanderers for an own goal.

    After threatening all game to score, Kamau made Neville look amateur to give the Wanderers a 2-0 lead. Picking up the ball deep inside the Roar half Kamau bought the ball down from his chest, found a stop-start dribble to get around Neville and lofted the ball over the the right shoulder of Young before running off to celebrate with the fans behind the goal. The Roar threw numbers forward late including the keeper going forward for several corners but nothing came from them after 6 minutes of stoppage time. Supporters of the Red & Black would be wondering where performances like that were all season long rather than when the season was on the line. The win was the minimum required to keep the finals hopes alive, and the team were boosted by the 2-2 draw between Wellington & Perth earlier in the day. The next result that needs to go the way of the Wanderers is that Macarthur cannot win their game on Monday night against Western United.

    The Wanderers final game of the regular A-League season is against Adelaide United in Adelaide on Thursday June 3rd with kick-off at 7:35pm Sydney time.


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    4 minutes ago, sonar said:

    Short answer......No........I've said in a previous post that I believe CR will be here next season.....I don't think he deserves it though. 

    This squad should of been a shoe-in for top four. Too many poor performances when it really mattered. Sticking to a formation that some players struggled with. Not changing tactics when it was required. Poor set piece defence. Leaving it too late with subs......etc.

    I am also preparing myself for another season of CR. I have little to no expectations for next season.

    Losing Kamau will be the biggest blow.

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    18 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    I am not suggesting that you are saying that one decent game fixes everything, but yeah, we shall see.

    One decent game doesn't make up for all the inconsistency...or all the consistently poor performances.

    But one very decent game against an in-form opponent shows that they can do what I didn't really think they could. Which is... to look like a cohesive, talented team, with a manager who knows what he is doing.

    And it gave me hope, even if it's too late this.

     

    I don't want to see a big clean out. That game suggested that you wouldn't need one.

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    1 hour ago, wendybr said:

    One decent game doesn't make up for all the inconsistency...or all the consistently poor performances.

    But one very decent game against an in-form opponent shows that they can do what I didn't really think they could. Which is... to look like a cohesive, talented team, with a manager who knows what he is doing.

    And it gave me hope, even if it's too late this.

     

    I don't want to see a big clean out. That game suggested that you wouldn't need one.

    Wait a min, weren’t you in the ‘this team is useless and it wouldn’t matter what manager’ camp a few weeks back?

    Some here change their opinion like the wind. It’s the same thought process that appoints a manager on the back of a few decent wins at another club rather than demonstrated success over a season.

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    4 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Wait a min, weren’t you in the ‘this team is useless and it wouldn’t matter what manager’ camp a few weeks back?

    Pretty much.

    Well... I couldn't see that we were the top 4 team that some here insisted we should have been.

    And comparing our team to Melb City and SFC I couldn't see us as being in the same league.

     

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    4 minutes ago, wendybr said:

    Pretty much.

    Well... I couldn't see that we were the top 4 team that some here insisted we should have been.

    And comparing our team to Melb City and SFC I couldn't see us as being in the same league.

     

    And yet in Kamau for mine we have prob one of the players of the comp this season. One player does not a team make, but there should have been enough around him. When he isn’t subbed at least :D

    Top 4, yeah maybe a push, but to miss the 6 with this team...shyte.

     

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    7 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Some here change their opinion like the wind. It’s the same thought process that appoints a manager on the back of a few decent wins at another club rather than demonstrated success over a season.

    I haven't really expressed an opinion as to whether CR should stay or go.

    I was heading towards thinking he was a disaster.

    Time will tell as to whether he can do better next season...which he'll probably have a chance at.

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    But either way, most of this current team should be retained for a chance to develop cohesion and fluency...which we actually did see in the last game.

     

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    Besides our home derby win, it’s actually been annoying me for the past month or two when we do manage to get 3 points. I hate that I feel this way but I can’t help but get frustrated.

    I can’t stand the smug ‘up yours’ attitude Robbo is getting when we finally win as if we were foolish to doubt him and he’s pulled a rabbit out of a hat. Then the philosophising starts up again. Yawn.

    I genuinely don’t think he sees too much wrong with his management over the course of the season and he just uses the occasional wins as justification.

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    6 hours ago, wendybr said:

    One decent game doesn't make up for all the inconsistency...or all the consistently poor performances.

    But one very decent game against an in-form opponent shows that they can do what I didn't really think they could. Which is... to look like a cohesive, talented team, with a manager who knows what he is doing.

    And it gave me hope, even if it's too late this.

     

    I don't want to see a big clean out. That game suggested that you wouldn't need one.

    lets not get too excited brisbane are crap

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    Some very emotion-lead pundits on here I reckon.

    We're far from anything special unfortunately. Results over 26 games don't lie, we're no good, there are issues at the club and I don't blame the players.

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    17 minutes ago, matty said:

    Some very emotion-lead pundits on here I reckon.

    We're far from anything special unfortunately. Results over 26 games don't lie, we're no good, there are issues at the club and I don't blame the players.

    There's enough bad ingredients in the WSW merde sandwhich season 2021 for all to have a bit in the final makeup.

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    18 minutes ago, sonar said:

    There's enough bad ingredients in the WSW merde sandwhich season 2021 for all to have a bit in the final makeup.

    When a club has been failing in a variety of metrics and multiple competitions, the players are the least of your problems, by a long shot.

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    6 minutes ago, matty said:

    When a club has been failing in a variety of metrics and multiple competitions, the players are the least of your problems, by a long shot.

    Tbh, I have to slightly disagree here. Poor recruitment is a big part of the problem. Not all, but a big part. I put the majority of the failings this season on the managers head with some of the formation and tactical decisions made but in the past 3 previous seasons our recruitment was horrible and I would add some senior players were on a siesta at times, no drive, application or passion.

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    2 hours ago, sonar said:

    Tbh, I have to slightly disagree here. Poor recruitment is a big part of the problem. Not all, but a big part. I put the majority of the failings this season on the managers head with some of the formation and tactical decisions made but in the past 3 previous seasons our recruitment was horrible and I would add some senior players were on a siesta at times, no drive, application or passion.

    I said 'club' and a 'variety of metrics' and competitions.

    The aleague side and the wleague side have been generally poor for the passed several seasons. The club in general has performed poorly in more ways than just those results also. Communication has been poor, memberships are down, and game day experience is terrible considering where it should be in a great stadium.

    The fish's head is rotting, the players not putting in are one of many symptoms. Not their fault.

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    5 minutes ago, matty said:

    I said 'club' and a 'variety of metrics' and competitions.

    The aleague side and the wleague side have been generally poor for the passed several seasons. The club in general has performed poorly in more ways than just those results also. Communication has been poor, memberships are down, and game day experience is terrible considering where it should be in a great stadium.

    The fish's head is rotting, the players not putting in are one of many symptoms. Not their fault.

    I'm not sure about that. I don't know what our highest number was or what it was last season. Last I heard a month or two back, the number was 18,100. That's a good number despite too few going to the matches.

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    19 minutes ago, matty said:

    I said 'club' and a 'variety of metrics' and competitions.

    The aleague side and the wleague side have been generally poor for the passed several seasons. The club in general has performed poorly in more ways than just those results also. Communication has been poor, memberships are down, and game day experience is terrible considering where it should be in a great stadium.

    The fish's head is rotting, the players not putting in are one of many symptoms. Not their fault.

    Players not putting in comes down to one thing....the players themselves and their professionalism or lack of. The young players this season have had no problem putting in.....the senior players at times haven't and it is on the field where it matters. Lack of communication, low membership or matchday experience have in reality nothing to do with what goes on on the pitch. That's the manager and players realm.....and in terms of recruitment that's on CR........my understanding is the club backed who he wanted.

    The communication,membership and game day experience are matters the club has some control over and I don't disagree with what you say.

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    47 minutes ago, sonar said:

    Players not putting in comes down to one thing....the players themselves and their professionalism or lack of. The young players this season have had no problem putting in.....the senior players at times haven't and it is on the field where it matters. Lack of communication, low membership or matchday experience have in reality nothing to do with what goes on on the pitch. That's the manager and players realm.....and in terms of recruitment that's on CR........my understanding is the club backed who he wanted.

    The communication,membership and game day experience are matters the club has some control over and I don't disagree with what you say.

    The manager and players aren't separate to the rest of the club. You could have a great manager and good players but at a poorly run organisation, they often will perform below par. 

    Does anyone know our actual membership numbers? I don't think they're over 18k, certainly not full memberships. We'd be lucky to be at 12k at this stage.

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    5 minutes ago, matty said:

    The manager and players aren't separate to the rest of the club. You could have a great manager and good players but at a poorly run organisation, they often will perform below par. 

    Does anyone know our actual membership numbers? I don't think they're over 18k, certainly not full memberships. We'd be lucky to be at 12k at this stage.

    As I posted above, the membership number over a month ago was 18,100.

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    11 minutes ago, matty said:

    The manager and players aren't separate to the rest of the club. You could have a great manager and good players but at a poorly run organisation, they often will perform below par. 

    Does anyone know our actual membership numbers? I don't think they're over 18k, certainly not full memberships. We'd be lucky to be at 12k at this stage.

    No they're not but.............Poor defence at corners./set pieces...players fault, giving away a pen.....players fault.......not tracking back and waving arms around like a bird.....players fault.......standing around like a traffic cone and allowing sides free reign........players fault.........absolutely nothing to do with poor communication or low memberships.

    Sorry, but as I said we disagree on this.

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    58 minutes ago, Edinburgh said:

    As I posted above, the membership number over a month ago was 18,100.

    I doubt that's full memberships. 

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    1 hour ago, sonar said:

    No they're not but.............Poor defence at corners./set pieces...players fault, giving away a pen.....players fault.......not tracking back and waving arms around like a bird.....players fault.......standing around like a traffic cone and allowing sides free reign........players fault.........absolutely nothing to do with poor communication or low memberships.

    Sorry, but as I said we disagree on this.

    So players aren't guided by managers and coaches?

    Morale isn't effected by backroom culture? 

    Your simplistic reductions are suitable for a pub chat but they don't help understand an underperforming squad and that is what we have. 

    It's no coincidence that we brought in some decent quality this season (and previous) - yet they don't perform. Our squad should be pushing for a top 4 at minimum. Most of us were excited by the likes of Troisi, Ibini, Mutch, Muller, Duke etc being part of the squad this season. They didn't suddenly become poor players, there are reasons they've been dropping their application one by one. 

     

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    5 hours ago, Keithie said:

    Same Manager next year , I am sure we will see a very competitive team in 2021/22. 

    The loafers and the slow ones will be gone.  

     

      

    Hope you are right but He has signed 16 players so far

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    1 hour ago, Edinburgh said:

    As I posted above, the membership number over a month ago was 18,100.

    Is that actual memberships or GWS type memberships? The person counting our memberships must be the same person who counted 5,000 at last Wednesday’s game lol

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    44 minutes ago, matty said:

    So players aren't guided by managers and coaches?

    Morale isn't effected by backroom culture? 

    Your simplistic reductions are suitable for a pub chat but they don't help understand an underperforming squad and that is what we have. 

    It's no coincidence that we brought in some decent quality this season (and previous) - yet they don't perform. Our squad should be pushing for a top 4 at minimum. Most of us were excited by the likes of Troisi, Ibini, Mutch, Muller, Duke etc being part of the squad this season. They didn't suddenly become poor players, there are reasons they've been dropping their application one by one. 

     

    Sorry but that's just nonsense.

    The manager or coaches have **** all to do with memberships, gameday experiences or poor communications. That's the responsibility of others and has nothing to do with what happens on the pitch. Nothing. 

    It's CR's responsibility to get the playing group playing as a unit.....at times he has at others he hasn't. Whether it's been squad or matchday selection,formation or tactical decisions the senior players get the top dollars and are the ones with playing experience to be able to adapt to whatever situations arise and guide younger players. They haven't. Zeigler giving away a pen when he didn't have to it's on Zeigler himself. McGowan giving away a pen was all McGowans fault. The penalty in the derby that Bobo missed was the defenders fault. The non marking from corners or set pieces is on the players. 

    It's been the young guys....Baccus, Natta, Willmering, Aqualina,Margush,Russell who have performed and the senior players haven't. 

    .They're in the same setup,do the same training as the senior players but have outperformed them. 

     

     

     

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    In my view, the younger players are giving it their all to try and establish their careers and hold down a starting spot. Obviously putting in for the fans sake also. 

    The senior players I don’t think have much respect or patience left with Robbo and are just putting in the effort for the fans. The body language is pretty clear to me. I don’t know if this is true or not but Ive heard there was some disappointment from those close to Cox around the way he was basically shafted shortly after making the huge sacrifice to stay in Australia. 

    I can’t really blame the players for this attitude when they’re being sent out on the pitch each week with the same one dimensional, inflexible liability of a formation. They must be banging their heads against the wall by now surely. 

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    11 minutes ago, hughsey said:

    In my view, the younger players are giving it their all to try and establish their careers and hold down a starting spot. Obviously putting in for the fans sake also. 

    The senior players I don’t think have much respect or patience left with Robbo and are just putting in the effort for the fans. The body language is pretty clear to me. I don’t know if this is true or not but Ive heard there was some disappointment from those close to Cox around the way he was basically shafted shortly after making the huge sacrifice to stay in Australia. 

    I can’t really blame the players for this attitude when they’re being sent out on the pitch each week with the same one dimensional, inflexible liability of a formation. They must be banging their heads against the wall by now surely. 

    At the same we had one of our best performances in the game just gone. As I said I think CR should go ( he won't most probably ) but to say the players are blameless or not at fault is wrong. They carry some blame as well.

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    8 hours ago, matty said:

    I doubt that's full memberships. 

     

    8 hours ago, hughsey said:

    Is that actual memberships or GWS type memberships? The person counting our memberships must be the same person who counted 5,000 at last Wednesday’s game lol

    Regardless of the type of membership counted, the counting method is the same this season as every other season. 

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    On 02/06/2021 at 6:58 AM, Edinburgh said:

     

    Regardless of the type of membership counted, the counting method is the same this season as every other season. 

    That's not the point though is it. 

    We're discussing the health of the club, if half those memberships are downgraded from previous years, it's relevant.

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    50 minutes ago, matty said:

    That's not the point though is it. 

    We're discussing the health of the club, if half those memberships are downgraded from previous years, it's relevant.

    And if they're not?

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