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  • Wanderers Cop Late Equaliser Against Jets

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    By mack

    The Wanderers took on Newcastle Jets looking to head back to the top of the A-League ladder, but could only climb to 2nd following a 1-1 where Roy O'Donovan's late penalty rubbed out a first half goal from bernie Ibini.

    The match started with a back and forth between the two sides, young gun Valentino Yuel smashed a shot into the crossbar then in the 11th minute Graham Dorrans flashed a long range effort just wide. 15 minutes in the Wanderers should have won a penalty. After some scrambling in the box, Troisi got onto a bouncing ball, tapped it past his marker and then was taken out by a blatant trip from a Newcastle player. The referee completely ignored it, and then the VAR decided it somehow wasn't a foul. It was more of a penalty than the Ninkovic dive into Troisi in the recent Derby, but unsurprisingly, with the Sydney team in Red & Black this time it wasn't given.

    Half an hour into the game and the Wanderers had to make their first sub with Nicolai Muller coming off with an apparent leg injury and it lead to the Wanderers opening the scoring. He was replaced by Simon Cox who was forced onto the bench for the first time this season. He made an instant impact, weaving through the tackles of three Jets players before shooting. It rolled along the turf, bounced off the post, Ibini followed in the shot like a good striker does, he beat Johnny Koutroumbis and finished neatly in the bottom corner with the keeper still on the ground.

    In the last seconds of the half the Jets should have equalised, with a corner taken going well over Daniel Margush who completed misjudged the flight of the ball, it fell to Nigel Boogaard and he fluffed a tap-in, sending the sides into the sheds at 1-0 to the home side.

    Yuel had an early shot in the 2nd half, turning Tass Mourdoukoutas and launching the ball well over the bar as it kept rising. The resulting goalkick was played poorly by the home side and they gave up a corner and were subsequently pressured by the Jets for 5 minutes. The Wanderers regained their composure and control of the ball, in the 69th minute Simon Cox had a glorious chance to slide through a team-mate for a tap-in, but he butchered the 3 on 1 opportunity when he delayed too long, went too wide and only managed to get his attempted cut back blocked by former Wanderers Nikolai Topor-Stanley.

    Yuel once again started a Newcastle attack, streaming down the right hand flank and beating Keanu Baccus, delivering the ball to Roy O'Donovan with an angled pass, the striker thought he had a clean sight on goal only for Ziggy Gordon to fly in from his left with a sliding block. With the Jets looking strong as the last 10 came up, Carl Robinson used the new substation laws to his benefit, bringing on a triple sub of Patrick Ziegler, Bruce Kamau and Jordan O'Doherty.

    Ziegler's first act was to give away a penalty. The absolute lightest of contact on a Jets player who was back to goal was sent to the spot by referee Ben Abraham and upheld by VAR. It put into sharp contrast the non-call in the first half on Troisi who was clearly tripped by the Newcastle player. O'Donovan stepped up and blasted the ball into the back of the net to make it 1-1.

    In the 97th minute the Jets had one final chance, Koutroumbis found an inswinging corner with a boot flick but it flashed wide of the far post. The 1-1 result would be hard to swallow for the Wanderers, as they had enough chances to put the game away and copped a dodgy equaliser from a player going down like a sack of potatoes from a feather touch and getting rewarded where Troisi got nothing. Ziegler & Yeboah were poor off the bench and Ziegler's foul cost his side all three points. Carl Robinson in his post-match interview called for consistency from the officials, with the officials telling him one thing for our non-penalty, then going the exact opposite way for the call that cost us the points. But his side failed to take their chances on multiple occasions to put the game to bed.

    The point for the Wanderers moves them into outright second place behind the Mariners and in front of Adelaide & Macarthur, who they face in a Western Sydney Derby on Saturday the 6th of February in Campbelltown.

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    WSWJACK
    14 minutes ago, THEWANDERERSPOST said:

    Someone's got some explaining to do...

    is that Aspro in background?

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    scarcev

    Disappointed with that on so many levels.  Our second half was very poor but even with that in mind, it took another set piece to score, with the possession they had in the places they had it, they actually did not create much and we still looked relatively comfortable.  Penalty not given to us well I would of played on, penalty given to the Jets I would of carded the player for going down, thats not a pen. Tass was limping after a challenge earlier so no drama there with him being taken off for mine. Troisi is just not interested, I havent seen him put together a decent half of football yet, would rather ODoherty or hopefully this new one coming in has a bit.  Ziggy Gordon simply should not be a footballer, just goes to show that limited talent and heaps of heart is better than plenty of talent and no heart.  

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    THEWANDERERSPOST
    15 minutes ago, TwoLeftFoots said:

    I disagree.

    His work off the ball has been fantastic. Linking up with the team hasn't been the best but his defence at the front has been great imo.

    I completely agree with this.

    He always tries to win the ball back and works hard off the ball.

    He has been ok on the ball but no-where near his best yet.

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    Paul01
    29 minutes ago, THEWANDERERSPOST said:

    I completely agree with this.

    He always tries to win the ball back and works hard off the ball.

    He has been ok on the ball but no-where near his best yet.

    Agreed

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    Hughesy
    On 30/01/2021 at 6:50 PM, Davo said:

    Never understood the argument that we can’t complain about the refereeing because we “weren’t good enough”. If the referee gave us the clear pen for the foul on Troisi, didn’t give the garbage pen to the Jets (contact alone isn’t enough for a foul, neither is feeling a slight touch, taking another step then deciding to fall over), or both, then we win that game. Any of those decisions correctly go our way and we are good enough.

    Or is the argument that we should just smash every team by multiple goals every week so that we can play around poor refereeing? Cool, we’ve figured out football. Just pump everyone. The vast majority of games have a result where one goal would change the outcome (we’ve played 16 games in the last 12 months and one goal more or one goal less would have changed the result of 11 of them).

    We had at least half a dozen very good opportunities to score on Friday night and butchered all of them but one. All we had to do was convert one more and the penalty would’ve meant bugger all. 

    If I think back over the past 2 seasons, I reckon at least 80-90% of penalties or major decisions that went against us wouldn’t have mattered if we actually played well and/or converted just one or two more of our opportunities. 

    Blaming refereeing decisions for not getting a result is a cop out with the exception of the rare (and I emphasise rare) game here and there. It completely ignores the facts around a teams performance, which most often is a bad one. We tell ourselves it makes a difference to try and feel better IMO.

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    BoyFromTheWest

    Yes and no. In a very tight game it sometimes does come down to a refs decision. You could equally day that if Jets had taken their chances the penalty wouldn't have mattered.

    How much of the missed chances are partly a result of the opposition? Do we simply say Jets were unlucky not to score or was our defence pretty good?

    When Troisi is brought down in the box and not given a pen, it isn't just about the pen but what he might have done if not brought down.

    I also agree with you that when a team is clinical and puts everything away, luck, refs... are less relevant. We, and most teams, are not at that level unfortunately.

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    THEWANDERERSPOST
    35 minutes ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

    Yes and no. In a very tight game it sometimes does come down to a refs decision. You could equally day that if Jets had taken their chances the penalty wouldn't have mattered.

    How much of the missed chances are partly a result of the opposition? Do we simply say Jets were unlucky not to score or was our defence pretty good?

    When Troisi is brought down in the box and not given a pen, it isn't just about the pen but what he might have done if not brought down.

    I also agree with you that when a team is clinical and puts everything away, luck, refs... are less relevant. We, and most teams, are not at that level unfortunately.

    Agreed, furthermore I believe a penalty still contributes to your performance.

    You still have to win it somehow. As far as i'm aware, you win a penalty by playing the game so it certainly contributes to your performance.

    If you score/miss a penalty it contributes to your performance, so winning/not winning a penalty should as well.

     

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    StringerBellend
    1 hour ago, THEWANDERERSPOST said:

    Agreed, furthermore I believe a penalty still contributes to your performance.

    You still have to win it somehow. As far as i'm aware, you win a penalty by playing the game so it certainly contributes to your performance.

    If you score/miss a penalty it contributes to your performance, so winning/not winning a penalty should as well.

     

    agreed both the Jets and Sydney pens were harsh, probably unfair. But in particular the Jets one and a to a degree the Sydney one, our poor play, pissing about with the ball in dangerous areas and inability to hold the ball lead to it.

    If you put yourself under the sort of pressure we did, then eventually a goal will come, it might be open player ricochet of somebodys arse, a dodgy pen, a keeper error whatever.

    As for our attack the amount of open goals we blew on the break was ridiculous, and we are still shot shy. With players trying to play others in when they should take a shot, even it doesn't go in, you might get the rebound (as we did for the goal).

     

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    Davo
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    2 hours ago, hughsey said:

    We had at least half a dozen very good opportunities to score on Friday night and butchered all of them but one. All we had to do was convert one more and the penalty would’ve meant bugger all. 

    If I think back over the past 2 seasons, I reckon at least 80-90% of penalties or major decisions that went against us wouldn’t have mattered if we actually played well and/or converted just one or two more of our opportunities. 

    Blaming refereeing decisions for not getting a result is a cop out with the exception of the rare (and I emphasise rare) game here and there. It completely ignores the facts around a teams performance, which most often is a bad one. We tell ourselves it makes a difference to try and feel better IMO.

    I mentioned this in my original post. Saying "just score more goals" is a massive oversimplification. If we just take all our chances we'd go through the season undefeated and win everything, that's not how football works.

    Also I don't agree that it's rare for a refereeing decision to change the outcome of a game when it involves a penalty call. Last season 21 of our 27 games had a one goal margin or were a draw. One goal more or one goal less in any of those games that make up 78% of our season and it changes the result. League wide last season it was 67%. If the referee makes a mistake that results in a goal or prevents a goal it is far more likely to change the result than not and we had two in one game. Last season we only had two games with a margin of more than two goals (5-2 win against Adelaide and 5-3 loss to Western United), meaning a team would only overcome two decisions like that in 7% of our games, 9% across the whole league.

    I never said that we played particularly well, just that I don't understand why people say others aren't allowed to complain about the refereeing because we didn't play that well. If either or both of those penalty decisions are different do you honestly believe we don't win that game? For all the possession and chances they had they could only score from the spot. So far this season we've conceded four goals, two dodgy penalties, a deflected free kick and a corner. The Jets spent 45 minutes of the game trailing and pushing forward for a goal and we kept them out other than the pen.

    Refereeing decisions and our performance are two different discussions and I don't get how people think that criticising referees excuses our performances or vice versa. Given the above numbers and how contentious the decisions were I think it's a perfectly valid discussion.

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