Wanderers Hold On In Gosford

33 minutes ago, sonar said:

 

lol.......And after a 15 week pre-season our players were running out of steam when Foxe was in charge. lol  Two dud squads...#Gombauout.....lol lol lol 

If that is so then I am really pleased to hear that Gombau did what he needed to be done to rectify this, and to discrease the fitness level from 80 to 60 minutes. 

#PopaOut

Just poking the tiger blah blah blah. 

Blaming Gombau for the fitness is interesting. If every game this season finished at half time Foxe would have double the number of points he actually got, while Gombau would only have 14% more points.

Also under Foxe the team led at half time in 5 games and gave up that lead 4 times. Under Gombau we've led at half time in 5 games and failed to win only one of those.

He's had time to improve things and should take some blame for that but this issue has been around since preseason.

1 minute ago, mack said:

Cornthwaite was as bad as Hamill's ever been before he quit.

I didn't realise that you are watching fantasy football. Going by Cornflakes' last three game as Wanderer he did a pretty poor job of undermining the coach. 

11 minutes ago, Davo said:

Blaming Gombau for the fitness is interesting. If every game this season finished at half time Foxe would have double the number of points he actually got, while Gombau would only have 14% more points.

Also under Foxe the team led at half time in 5 games and gave up that lead 4 times. Under Gombau we've led at half time in 5 games and failed to win only one of those.

He's had time to improve things and should take some blame for that but this issue has been around since preseason.

Exactly.

12 minutes ago, FCB said:

If that is so then I am really pleased to hear that Gombau did what he needed to be done to rectify this, and to discrease the fitness level from 80 to 60 minutes. 

#PopaOut

Just poking the tiger blah blah blah. 

53 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

when did he undermine Gombau? i mean i am not doubting you but i have missed a tonne of what happened

Foxe & Cornthwaite joining together and refusing Gombau's orders to do a full training session in the lead up to our 4-0 loss vs Newcastle is be the biggest one. Unsurprisingly it was Foxe who left the club in the aftermath of that incident and Cornthwaite followed not long after. Half the teams in the league do training sessions the day before games so it was hardly an unusual incident, the weather wasn't particularly harsh either.

Trying to improve a team's fitness during the season is an extremely hard thing to do. Even though our league isn't particularly long, the long travel times have a major impact. Once the pre-season is over the goal is to manage muscle loading & reduce soft tissue injuries, even maintaining the level of fitness they began the league season with is hard to do.

17 minutes ago, sonar said:

Exactly.

So, as we have established that it's all Popa's fault, and that none of what is currently happening (or not happening) on and off the pitch has anything to do with Gombau: when is the point when it will have something to do with Gombau? When will he be seen as the manager who is actually in charge? When will this Gombau-inspired pre season be over? 

At the next derby? In the post season cup (if we get that far)? Next season? In 19/20 when we are back in Parramatta? Or once the last player who had anything to do with Popovic will have been culled from the squad? 

5 minutes ago, mack said:

Foxe & Cornthwaite joining together and refusing Gombau's orders to do a full training session in the lead up to our 4-0 loss vs Newcastle is be the biggest one. Unsurprisingly it was Foxe who left the club in the aftermath of that incident and Cornthwaite followed not long after. Half the teams in the league do training sessions the day before games so it was hardly an unusual incident, the weather wasn't particularly harsh either.

thanks i knew Foxe was a complete snake didnt know about Cornthwaite though

6 minutes ago, FCB said:

So, as we have established that it's all Popa's fault, and that none of what is currently happening (or not happening) on and off the pitch has anything to do with Gombau: when is the point when it will have something to do with Gombau? When will he be seen as the manager who is actually in charge? When will this Gombau-inspired pre season be over? 

At the next derby? In the post season cup (if we get that far)? Next season? In 19/20 when we are back in Parramatta? Or once the last player who had anything to do with Popovic will have been culled from the squad? 

Well it definitely isn't after just 2 and a half months since taking over.

8 minutes ago, FCB said:

So, as we have established that it's all Popa's fault, and that none of what is currently happening (or not happening) on and off the pitch has anything to do with Gombau: when is the point when it will have something to do with Gombau? When will he be seen as the manager who is actually in charge? When will this Gombau-inspired pre season be over? 

At the next derby? In the post season cup (if we get that far)? Next season? In 19/20 when we are back in Parramatta? Or once the last player who had anything to do with Popovic will have been culled from the squad? 

 

Most probably never........No....No......No.....No.....Yes

1 minute ago, mack said:

Well it definitely isn't after just 2 and a half months since taking over.

No, I figured that much. How about three months? 

What do you reckon, Mack? If we get walloped a few more times by Smurfs and VIC this season and beyond, will that qualify as a bench mark? If we miss out on the post season cup, will that be Gombau's "achievement", or that of Popovic?

6 minutes ago, FCB said:

No, I figured that much. How about three months? 

What do you reckon, Mack? If we get walloped a few more times by Smurfs and VIC this season and beyond, will that qualify as a bench mark? If we miss out on the post season cup, will that be Gombau's "achievement", or that of Popovic?

 

who do you want as a coach? popa or gombau we have always been **** against both sydney fc and victory, yes we have a few wins here and there but its rare

I think he deserves the close season to assemble his own squad.  I've been impressed with Carusca - tick. Not so pleased with the developing Riera situation.

Plus he signed a contract so to sack him now would cost a motza. 

Usually if a person has a problem with another person it could be either's fault .

if one person has a problem with multiple people it still could be that both parties are at fault.

If multiple people have a problem with one person it's usually that person's fault

So gombau's ongoing feud with our leading scorer and best player - popa's fault?

7 minutes ago, beatsurrender said:

I think he deserves the close season to assemble his own squad.  I've been impressed with Carusca - tick. Not so pleased with the developing Riera situation.

Plus he signed a contract so to sack him now would cost a motza. 

I keep reading that argument, and it must be either something Gombau or HAL specific, or both. I've never heard anything like it before. As soon as he applied for the job, the existing WSW squad became his squad. Period. 

I just read about Werder Bremen. They were without win after seven rounds in the BL, and sacked their coach. They gave the job to the 35 year old headcoach of the second team. Had four poor games after he took over, but overall 5 wins and three draws in 12 rounds. Lost in Munich a couple of weeks ago, but actually had them in the ropes. 

Naturally it doesn't always work out that way, but that's my expectation of an incoming coach. None of this "process" and "not his squad" talk. Just a coach he gets on with his players, and gets on with the job. 

Instead, we've seen 4 wins, 3 draws and 6 losses (two of them historic), a lot of crap ball for much of the last three months, and - to my utter surprise - some people seem to be okay with this. It is truly amazing. 

33 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

who do you want as a coach? popa or gombau we have always been **** against both sydney fc and victory, yes we have a few wins here and there but its rare

The "who" is not the question. "What kind of a coach" would be more appropriate. When the Nix sacked Ricki Alexander in 2013 they gave the job to Greenacre, and they were a handful under him. We are not a handful. We are something different. 

What I would like to see is a coach who can relate to and speak for the West. I believe we need to get the West back into the Wanderers, but we are going the opposite way. Rudan and/or Crittenden would be my pick, but I have no idea if they would be available/interested. 

34 minutes ago, beatsurrender said:

I think he deserves the close season to assemble his own squad.  I've been impressed with Carusca - tick. Not so pleased with the developing Riera situation.

Plus he signed a contract so to sack him now would cost a motza. 

every change he has made has been a positive, jumpei gone, a couple of great players signed, everyone hated jumpei and now he is gone that is enough reason to celebrate

i dont care if any of our players dont like the coach, give them the door and get in a player who will actually play for the coach and the club

 

1 minute ago, FCB said:

I keep reading that argument, and it must be either something Gombau or HAL specific, or both. I've never heard anything like it before. As soon as he applied for the job, the existing WSW squad became his squad. Period. 

I just read about Werder Bremen. They were without win after seven rounds in the BL, and sacked their coach. They gave the job to the 35 year old headcoach of the second team. Had four poor games after he took over, but overall 5 wins and three draws in 12 rounds. Lost in Munich a couple of weeks ago, but actually had them in the ropes. 

Naturally it doesn't always work out that way, but that's my expectation of an incoming coach. None of this "process" and "not his squad" talk. Just a coach he gets on with his players, and gets on with the job. 

Instead, we've seen 4 wins, 3 draws and 6 losses (two of them historic), a lot of crap ball for much of the last three months, and - to my utter surprise - some people seem to be okay with this. It is truly amazing. 

The "who" is not the question. "What kind of a coach" would be more appropriate. When the Nix sacked Ricki Alexander in 2013 they gave the job to Greenacre, and they were a handful under him. We are not a handful. We are something different. 

What I would like to see is a coach who can relate to and speak for the West. I believe we need to get the West back into the Wanderers, but we are going the opposite way. Rudan and/or Crittenden would be my pick, but I have no idea if they would be available/interested. 

  

 

i know what you mean but at the same time i dont think we should limit ourselves to coaches from the west, i do have faith in gombau and think most of the changes he has made have been positive ones, imo chris herd has improved under him

6 hours ago, Prydzopolis said:

 

I’m with Ed on this one, don’t think he was 100% right & was the reason why he wasn’t going full tilt. The kids were at NYL GF so no one else to call upon.

seemed to go alright after he scored.

I don't  think i have ever seen so much hate for a coach who has done so much for a club and so much love for a coach who has done so little.

6 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

 

i know what you mean but at the same time i dont think we should limit ourselves to coaches from the west, i do have faith in gombau and think most of the changes he has made have been positive ones, imo chris herd has improved under him

Goat

I think we should limit ourselves to coaches who have the capacity to get a squad to perform. Not in 19/20, not in 18/19, but now. 

3 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

I don't  think i have ever seen so much hate for a coach who has done so much for a club and so much love for a coach who has done so little.

Because they hated the other so much, they have to love this one, for better for worse. They are in a bind. 

3 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

I don't  think i have ever seen so much hate for a coach who has done so much for a club and so much love for a coach who has done so little.

i dont think anyone is hating on Popa, club legend but you have to remember the position he left us in and how we are slowly recovering it, popa was hardly a perfect coach either, everyone complained that he only had one plan and if that wasnt working we had nothing else

5 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

I don't  think i have ever seen so much hate for a coach who has done so much for a club and so much love for a coach who has done so little.

I have a lot of respect for what he ( Popa )achieved.. Have said so before and still say so. He ( Popa, walked away...went to another club and and got fired.) 

But I get where you are coming from.....two dud squads...last season and this one.....such hate for a former coach. 

2 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

I don't  think i have ever seen so much hate for a coach who has done so much for a club and so much love for a coach who has done so little.

One coach has had 5 years. The other coach has had 3 months. For me it comes across as if some people are looking at personalities when they are judging things. I get that Popa would be more liked and popular amongst certain people. He fits the image that some people like.

If anything, a few people's dislike and rejection of our new coach is actually making people feel empathy for him. Yesterday showed that he can get the team to play well. He just needs to get them to play like this for 90 mins. But the usual suspects didn't look at the positives. They focused on the negatives. Then came the inevitable comparisons. Some people just can't let go.

28 minutes ago, WestSyd said:

One coach has had 5 years. The other coach has had 3 months. For me it comes across as if some people are looking at personalities when they are judging things. I get that Popa would be more liked and popular amongst certain people. He fits the image that some people like.

If anything, a few people's dislike and rejection of our new coach is actually making people feel empathy for him. Yesterday showed that he can get the team to play well. He just needs to get them to play like this for 90 mins. But the usual suspects didn't look at the positives. They focused on the negatives. Then came the inevitable comparisons. Some people just can't let go.

Irrespective of who the coach is: 

two thirds into the season we have the collective umph to play 60 minutes of football. 

I am finding this alarming. 

1 minute ago, FCB said:

Irrespective of who the coach is: 

two thirds into the season we have the collective umph to play 60 minutes of football. 

I am finding this alarming. 

i do agree with this but is it the coaches fault or the conditioning staff?

1 hour ago, sonar said:

I have a lot of respect for what he ( Popa )achieved.. Have said so before and still say so. He ( Popa, walked away...went to another club and and got fired.) 

But I get where you are coming from.....two dud squads...last season and this one.....such hate for a former coach. 

The Popa-out brigade didn't need the S6 "dud" squad as an excuse to plaster the training ground with "Popa out" banners.

5 minutes ago, FCB said:

 

Which "dud" squad are you referring to though? The one Gombau considers a "strong" one? 

The Popa-out brigade didn't need the S6 "dud" squad as an excuse to plaster the training ground with "Popa out" banners.

lloydy wrote....."I don't  think i have ever seen so much hate for a coach who has done so much for a club and so much love for a coach who has done so little''

.The squads you named as duds.....last season and this one......your words not mine.I can only assume youare criticising Popa.....he recruited both squads.

As to the #Popaout banner...nothing to do with me and the people responsible were unjustified in doing so.

3 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

i do agree with this but is it the coaches fault or the conditioning staff?

Ultimately it's the head coaches responsibility. 

At Bayern earlier this season they sacked head coach, two assistant coaches, a so called fitness coach, and a nutritionist. They hired a head coach and two assistant coaches who, between the three of them, are 200 years old. The first thing they did was increase the training intensity. 

If I didn't know any better I'd say that we hired part of Bayern's old training group. 

Random thoughts

We played well for 35 maybe 40 mins the second half was terrible. I’ve no idea why we drop away like we do, do we try and “control” the game when we would be better just carrying on playing like we were.

The second goal was ace, I love headers like that Duncan Ferguson stylee 

credit to Hamill he had a decent game, he did one of his ace latch ditch tackles and I can’t think of a big error he made

aa much as I complain about sotirio we need some pace out wide, hopefully we get that from Ikonomidis 

I’m going glass half full here 

If we can get cejudo fit and firing and with Ikonomidis the squad is good enough to finish top 4 or at least make the 6 and he  give finals a shake

Im genuinely excited about the thought of what a front 4 of  cejudo, oriol, carrusca and Ikonomidis

Put 2 of Herd, Roly and The Bacci behind that and then Llorente, Risdon, thwaite and Hammil, Vedran.

why shouldn’t that finish above Mariners, roar, glory, nix? And push Adelaide, city and victory?

I’m not being gombau out here,it’s on him to manage the team in the remaining rounds to make that happen (Popa, Foxe etc are irrelevant to that they aren’t here and haven’t been for three months)

The squad is good enough

although we are threadbare now at centre back 

9 minutes ago, sonar said:

The squads you named as duds.....last season and this one......your words not mine.

As to the #Popaout banner...nothing to do with me and the people responsible were unjustified in doing so.

Oh no, you must have misunderstood me. I always though we have a strong squad, still do, totally agree with Gombau on this.