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    The Western Sydney Wanderers travelled to Adelaide in a 5 v 6 contest with significant finals implications, subplots involving James Troisi and multiple players on both sides coming up against their former side. Both sides shared a point and a red card, Simon Cox's 68th minute goal cancelling out Tomi Juric's 11th minute header while Mark Natta and Loius D'Arrigo both took an early red card shower.

    Patrick Ziegler returned to the starting lineup for the Wanderers with an injury concern apparently keeping Tass Mourdoukoutas on the bench. The Wanderers started brightly, having numerous chances in the opening stages, the most dangerous coming when Troisi hammered a low cross all the way along the turf to the far post with none of his team-mates getting on the end for a tap-in.

    Adelaide on the other hand, took their first chance of the game. Mark Natta was dragged out wide and he failed to contain Ben Halloran who delivered a slow, looping cross in the air that Tomi Juric met all of three yards out and directly in the middle of the 6 yard box. Neither Ziggy Gordon or Ziegler could block the Asian Champions League winning striker from knocking the ball down into the bottom corner with Margush stranded after covering the near post. Juric went off to the sideline to apparently take in some painkillers, and later at half-time he was substituted.

    The home side were dominant after the goal, and had chances for Loius D'Arrigo and Craig Goodwin to double their lead. On the half-hour mark D'Arrigo picked up what would become a costly yellow card, as he attempted a wild clearance up against Thomas Aquilina, missing the ball completely with the referee playing advantage then returning to the scene of the crime to card the 19 year old hotshot.

    Loius D'Arrigo was given his marching orders having earned a clear second yellow in the 43rd minute. Mitch Duke picked up the ball deep in the Wanderers half and blazed past D'Arrigo who stupidly dove in and broke up his stride. Jordan Elsey attempted a cover-up by following Duke to the floor but Daniel Elder wasn't fooled, handing out the yellow followed by the red and giving the Wanderers a lifeline.

    Despite the clear requirement for changes at half-time, the Wanderers stayed in their usual 5 at the back formation and all it did was allow Adelaide to treat the Wanderers like they were the side playing with a man up. Ben Halloran had a shot that looked certain to finish in the net get deflected out for a corner, in a hilarious spot the officiating team did not see the massive deflection and awarded a goal kick, before the VAR or Fourth Official intervened on the radio. Daniel Margush channelled the ghosts of Vedran Janjetovic & Andrew Redmayne by spilling the ball after coming out to claim it, leaving Ryan Strain an open net but the very acute angle spoiled Strain's opportunity to score his first A-League goal and the ball dribbled out for a throw-in.

    Enough was enough for Carl Robinson, on the hour mark he took off Thomas Aquilina, who had a decent game and James Troisi, who was industrious but ineffective, and bought on Simon Cox and Bernie Ibini while adjusting to a four at the back with Ziggy Gordon playing at right fullback. It paid immediate dividends, shifting the momentum to the visitors and they pulled back level in the 68th minute. Ibini had a wide cross blocked, sending the ball high in the air, Duke flicked it on to the benefit of Cox, he smartly volleyed the ball up into the air with his right then kicked out with his left to bump the ball into the turf the past the diving Gauci.

    As the Wanderers were setting up a 20 minute session against the Adelaide Parked bus, Mark Natta had other ideas and evened up the player count with a straight red. George Timotheou, who had trialled briefly in Blacktown before moving to Adelaide, pumped a long ball for Stefan Mauk. Natta was goalside but stood up by Mauk's chest down, giving Mauk a bear hug rugby tackle 24 yards out from goal. Mauk, a well known diver barely needed the invitation to fall to the floor, with no cover defence close enough Elder decided the foul denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity and sent off the young defender. The offence was defensible enough for VAR to leave the decision untouched and the sides played out the remaining 15 minutes with 10 on 10.

    A flurry of formation changes and substitutions followed as both sides looked to try and find a way to three points. Mourdoukoutas became the fourth Wanderers central defender to see action on the night with Mitch Duke leaving, while half-time Adelaide substitute Al Hassan Toure was himself substituted for Pacifique Niyongabire and Ryan Kitto come on with the exit of Craig Goodwin. 

    The final chance of the game fell to the Wanderers. Adelaide's attempt at snatching a lst minute win caused them to totally lose their shape at the back, Daniel Wilmering picked up the ball on the left flank and drove toward goal with Kwame Yeboah and Ibini in company against a sole Adelaide defender. Instead of the simple cutback to find Yeboah for a tap-in, Wilmering lofted a poor ball to Ibini on the far side of the goal, it still left Ibini a glorious chance to score but he badly mishit the strike, launching it over the bar as Elder blew for full time.

    It was a deeply disappointing ending for Wanderers fans in the back & forth battle for fifth place and one that neither team would be truly happy with. Supporters of the Red & Black are starting to wonder just what it will take before Robinson ditches the failure that is his pet 5 at the back formation and if he has what it takes to elevate the club back to the top of the A-League mountain. The draw leaves the Wanderers languishing in 6th place with Brisbane Roar and Western United chasing with multiple games in hand, for Adelaide the point moved them one place up the ladder on goal difference.

    The Wanderers next match is against the Brisbane Roar in Parramatta on Friday April 16th with kick-off at 7:05PM.


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    well there ya go !!!!

    how lucky and unlucky were we.  :)

    The things I have learned or had confirmed in my own mind tonight.

    Bruce Kamau is ineffective as a run on player we get a lot more from him in the last 20 minutes.

    Kearan Baccus is a shadow of himself !! dunno what can you can do with him.

    James Troisi as a 10 is ineffective he is a better player as DM.

    Whatever way you look at McGowan or Zieger neither are any good is Mourdakoutis beside Natta a better choice. A game changer for us would be tall strong centre back 

    Cox adds great value and disturbs the other teams defence with his off the ball movement , should be our AM 

    Dorrans works very hard without being a stand out , he never got a card tonight !!!! good player 

    Cant wait to see what Dorrans and Steven Ugarkovic will give us in defense and going forward , I think this may help more than we think.

    Margush still worries me especially on high balls.

    Bernie apart from the miss on the death he helped change the game not gunna crucify him for the last bit.

    PS: please don't let Popa even walk through our front door again he has done his dash, do you want him back and the baggage he brings with his 2 boys do you want to wake up and wonder if we still have a coach or has he gone off to god forsaken country to coach because it is overseas , no I don't and we shouldn't be looking over our shoulder, lets look forward.      

     

     

     

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    After watching sections of the game (couldn't watch the whole thing tonight) and the press conference at the end, I have lost most of my faith in this team this season.

    Season is basically over in my eyes. If we get wins in our next 3 games, we are still a chance but can't see it happening.

    I won't speak about particularly players because I feel we have a group of players good enough to win the league and championship.

    I am really starting to doubt Robinson. I have a feeling he will still come good, whether that is this season or next.

    The formation kills this team. It doesn't work and should only be used by technically brilliant and world class players like in the EPL. I doubt any of the players in this team played it throughout their youth and senior career. Our fullbacks aren't experienced and technically good enough to play in it right now, most of our centrebacks are so f*cking sh*t its not funny, Baccus and Troisi aren't winning the midfield and we don't create anything good for our attackers, and when we do, we can't find the back of the net.

    Robinson's press conference tonight for me was the final straw. HOW CAN YOU THINK WE ARE PLAYING REALLY GOOD? Apparently our transitional play is very good, to me it looks like we play it from centreback to centreback to fullback and then back to centreback for 5 minutes before trying to move up the field. Scrap the play around the back its rubbish. No pressing or pressuring at all, only a few players look like they give a sh*t and give 100% every week.

    To me it just seems like we are a formation change away from being a good team. If we don't win 3 of the next 3 games I can't see us making finals. The games in hand and draws are going to kill us towards the end of the season.

    Seems we have accepted mediocrity and its not good enough for the hard working people of the West. We deserve better and we should demand better.

    Last 9 games are make or break. Does the team and coaching staff have what it takes? Do they have the heart and passion to fight back? Frankly I can't see it at the moment, I would love to be proven wrong.

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    Look I will give Robbo one thing he saw how disastrous 3 at the back was he changed to 4 for 3rd time this season.

    I wander though Troisi and Muller have been very ineffective as number 10 but Simon Cox in the last two games has been pretty good there getting things happening. I wander if he should start him at 10.

    Hopefully back 4 is permanent the back 3 is now starting to be our downfall.

    BTW who has a worst miss in this game Ryan Strain for Adelaide or Ibini? 😁😁😁

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    7 hours ago, THEWANDERERSPOST said:

    The formation kills this team. It doesn't work and should only be used by technically brilliant and world class players like in the EPL. I doubt any of the players in this team played it throughout their youth and senior career. Our fullbacks aren't experienced and technically good enough to play in it right now, most of our centrebacks are so f*cking sh*t its not funny, Baccus and Troisi aren't winning the midfield and we don't create anything good for our attackers, and when we do, we can't find the back of the net.

    ^^^^^For me......this.^^^^^

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    7 hours ago, THEWANDERERSPOST said:

    Robinson's press conference tonight for me was the final straw. HOW CAN YOU THINK WE ARE PLAYING REALLY GOOD? Apparently our transitional play is very good, to me it looks like we play it from centreback to centreback to fullback and then back to centreback for 5 minutes before trying to move up the field. Scrap the play around the back its rubbish. No pressing or pressuring at all, only a few players look like they give a sh*t and give 100% every week.

    Our transitional play is damned near the worst in the league. Wtf game is he watching? We will not win anything under Robinson. A brief look at his history in the MLS will tell you that. Again we've had some really shiny players rock up to the club because of a good recruiter pretending to be a manager, but again it will go no where.

    Remember back to Arnie taking over Sydney. His first season was pretty meh, but he progressed and improved the whole time. But for us its like we sort of turn up one week but then the lights are off and no one is home for the next 3 weeks.

    My fear is he will do just enough to keep the attention of JT, but the same deal next season. And even if he was **** enough to punt him, it would be yet ANOTHER coach to go through to meat grinder

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    This was always going to be tough. Third game in a week against a well rested Reds team away from home  - before kick off I would have been happy with a draw. Now I am not so sure.

    Formation is not the issue, not being clinical up front is. How did we not score in the 3rd minute, and at the end of the game?? Kamau could or should have scored as well. Also, we were dopey in the first ten minutes of the second half, with 11 against 10. Head shake.
     

    Ziegler doesn’t have much of a lobby here. Considering that he was out with an injury for a month or so, hadn’t played since Feb, he had an ok game. Also, kudos to Cox for making an impact.
     

    We seem to be taking for granted the Wilmering, Aquilina, Natta, and Magush for that matter, are performing at high level. We forget that between the four of them they only have played a very small sack full of HAL games. We also are forgetting that Kamau was a body made of porcelain and needs a lot of TLC. 
     

    For me the real disappointment is Mueller. From best player at the start of the season to unused sub is totally unacceptable.
     

     

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    38 minutes ago, FCB said:

    This was always going to be tough. Third game in a week against a well rested Reds team away from home  - before kick off I would have been happy with a draw. Now I am not so sure.

    Formation is not the issue, not being clinical up front is. How did we not score in the 3rd minute, and at the end of the game?? Kamau could or should have scored as well. Also, we were dopey in the first ten minutes of the second half, with 11 against 10. Head shake.
     

    Ziegler doesn’t have much of a lobby here. Considering that he was out with an injury for a month or so, hadn’t played since Feb, he had an ok game. Also, kudos to Cox for making an impact.
     

    We seem to be taking for granted the Wilmering, Aquilina, Natta, and Magush for that matter, are performing at high level. We forget that between the four of them they only have played a very small sack full of HAL games. We also are forgetting that Kamau was a body made of porcelain and needs a lot of TLC. 
     

    For me the real disappointment is Mueller. From best player at the start of the season to unused sub is totally unacceptable.
     

     

    I didn't watch live (on holiday) so I managed to not here the result and then watch replay this morning. (Easy not to be told the score given the A Leagues position in the media)

    We were crap again for 60 odd minutes, woke up a bit with a couple of subs

    Ziegler was ok, apart from one pass when playing it short he just passed straight to them, he recovered with a block. I almost don't blame our defence for those passes, we are clearly told to play short under all circumstances and it is Gombau like in it stuburness and stupidity.

    Formation, is far from our main problem, our finishing is terrible and our poor retention is poor too, and we are painfully slow at times

    Bruce should start now, ok he missed a couple, but both of them he created for himself, he is the only player at the moment that gets you out of your seat when he has the ball, for that alone start him

    It's frustrating as we could be a top 4 side 

    How did we not score? 

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    Cox really shows the smarts of a player that has played the majority of his career at a decent level. Knows instinctively where to go, where to position himself and in a few dink passes can do more for our structure and attacking movement than the whole of what has gone before..in my opinion.

    Its a shame I think he can prob only do this for 30 to 40mins max, and if he went back to starting and playing longer stints then we would get frustrated pretty quick.

    His quality does shine through at times though doesnt it.

    As for Agent Ibini, he continues to do a great job for ESFC.

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    4 hours ago, Upthehill said:

    Our transitional play is damned near the worst in the league. Wtf game is he watching? We will not win anything under Robinson. A brief look at his history in the MLS will tell you that. Again we've had some really shiny players rock up to the club because of a good recruiter pretending to be a manager, but again it will go no where.

    Remember back to Arnie taking over Sydney. His first season was pretty meh, but he progressed and improved the whole time. But for us its like we sort of turn up one week but then the lights are off and no one is home for the next 3 weeks.

    My fear is he will do just enough to keep the attention of JT, but the same deal next season. And even if he was **** enough to punt him, it would be yet ANOTHER coach to go through to meat grinder

    The bloke could sell sand to a camel. He can’t actively manage for **** but I gotta give it to him, he’s got the gift of the gab. 

    The club hierarchy have backed themselves into a corner now because it’s really a lose lose whether they stick by him or release him and start over yet again. 

    That’s unless CR can somehow turn things around next season but in terms of playing personnel I think he’s peaked already so really don’t see how he can. If anything I think we will lose some depth next season as it will be hard to hold onto with the cap.

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    It starting too look like top 6 will slip away for us. 7th looks likely. Mostly because Western has sooo many games in hand and are the most to threaten. Roar and Glory unclear. But all 3 teams have been just as bad us. So there is still a chance to sneak in the 6

    The next game need to be a win because its against a team that is fighting with us for 6th.

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    We've been indifferent the whole season so far but in most games there have been encouraging signs regardless of the result. Despite an decent start, last night it appeared that we were back to 'square 1' with no real continuity in our play and schoolboy errors being made. We have a large squad of relatively decent players who will have good and bad games, but no one player who could take us to the next level. Oh for a Diamante !!

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    Spot on @MartinTyler

    its like a yoyo sometimes up sometimes down! 
    You’re also correct we have no standout for player 

    No Jamie Mac, No Dimante, No niko

    the funny thing is i believe you can make an argument we have the deepest squad in the league but it’s just not seeming like anything is gunna happen 

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    I must be watching different games. After enjoying the replay (minus the alcohol from last night), it seems to me that the commentators on tv were talking the Reds up, and we are talking our team down.

    The first 30 minutes we were at least even, we had the better chances, but they scored. Between the 30th and 40th they had us under the pump without producing much, our defence was solid. After the yellow/red we should have equalised.

    The  first 15 minutes of the second half were an embarrassment, we were very lucky. Once Ibini and Cox came on we were largely on top - in the last quarter of the Reds were knackered while we looked much more energetic.

    If only Wilmering had run a bit further into the box and then passed the ball back to Yeboah...

     

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    57 minutes ago, FCB said:

    I must be watching different games. After enjoying the replay (minus the alcohol from last night), it seems to me that the commentators on tv were talking the Reds up, and we are talking our team down.

    The first 30 minutes we were at least even, we had the better chances, but they scored. Between the 30th and 40th they had us under the pump without producing much, our defence was solid. After the yellow/red we should have equalised.

    The  first 15 minutes of the second half were an embarrassment, we were very lucky. Once Ibini and Cox came on we were largely on top - in the last quarter of the Reds were knackered while we looked much more energetic.

    If only Wilmering had run a bit further into the box and then passed the ball back to Yeboah...

     

    Yes that reliable finisher Yeboah :) 

    That 3 v 1 was a microcosm of our season 

    Willmerring played the wrong pass but ibini had time to take a touch and bury it, instead he takes a touch and lashes the ball into orbit

     

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    The official description is great though 

    sounds like he was unlucky not that he lashed it into orbit 

     

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    2 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    Yes that reliable finisher Yeboah :) 

    That 3 v 1 was a microcosm of our season 

    Willmerring played the wrong pass but ibini had time to take a touch and bury it, instead he takes a touch and lashes the ball into orbit

     

    There was a bit of a screwup, pass to Yeboah from Wilmering looked the go, Also after it went to Ibini looks like he could have passed it back to Yeboah.

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    2 hours ago, FCB said:

    The first 30 minutes we were at least even, we had the better chances, but they scored. Between the 30th and 40th they had us under the pump without producing much, our defence was solid. After the yellow/red we should have equalised

    I’m rewatching it now. 100% I actually don’t think we were too bad first half. 
     

    Agree 2nd half terrible until we switched to a 4231 with the introduction of Ibini and Cox. Passing is still poor but would improve if we stayed with the formation. 

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    Because of our poor form over the past 4 seasons have we got to the stage as supporters of amplifying too much errors or mistakes made by players during a game and then by extension are too critical of everything,even minor things.  ? I am not blameless at all in that regard but do we or are we expecting too much?

    I feel we are a much better squad than the three past seasons at least.  I feel if the players turn up we can compete and beat any team something I would not have said in the three seasons past.

     

     

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    25 minutes ago, sonar said:

    Because of our poor form over the past 4 seasons have we got to the stage as supporters of amplifying too much errors or mistakes made by players during a game and then by extension are too critical of everything,even minor things.  ? I am not blameless at all in that regard but do we or are we expecting too much?

    I feel we are a much better squad than the three past seasons at least.  I feel if the players turn up we can compete and beat any team something I would not have said in the three seasons past.

     

     

    To me one of the issues with this season was the "hype" from the club about Robbo's appointment "hey look what he did with the lacklustre Jets. With our new squad, he'll be better"

    There wasn't any talk of a rebuild. That leaves fans to think "ok, well if they think they can get back to finals this season I can reasonably expect us to play finals".

    Getting a technical director won't be a quick fix but would steer us in the right direction

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    26 minutes ago, sonar said:

    we expecting too much?

    We're playing in a league where the Mariners since the 2015/16 to 2019/20 season only won 21 games out of 135 and finished last more often than not. Then this season they've won 9 out of 16 and are in first. Newcastle finished last a few years ago then finished 2nd and made the Grand Final the year after.

    This isn't Scotland where Celtic & Rangers are spending multiple times more than their upper level rivals and 10 or even 20 times more than the lower teams. This isn't Spain with RM & Barca. The oil shieks & Russian oligarchs here can't spend billions on the club like they do in Europe.

    There is no reason why any club in the league can't become a Top 4 club with proper leadership, tactics and recruitment.

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    1 hour ago, sonar said:

    Because of our poor form over the past 4 seasons have we got to the stage as supporters of amplifying too much errors or mistakes made by players during a game and then by extension are too critical of everything,even minor things.  ? I am not blameless at all in that regard but do we or are we expecting too much?

    I feel we are a much better squad than the three past seasons at least.  I feel if the players turn up we can compete and beat any team something I would not have said in the three seasons past.

     

     

    I also feel we are a better team than the last three years. Although this maybe because of the personal we have, on paper we have a good team but games are not played on paper. Tell me if there is a game we are confident of winning, we struggle every game. Let alone that we can't play a game for 90 odd minutes (tell me what's that about). Also Robbo for mine is a big question mark, structurally for me 3 at the back is a failure. Like for like changes only after 60 minutes (Why?) . Maybe he can't see the game properly from ground level and needs an elevated view from the second level in the stands which will give him a better overall picture of what's going on. Why he cannot change things at halftime when it's not working does my head in. For me season is over , I think we'll finish 7th or 8th. I don't know where we go from here. Sacking manager after manager is not the answer either. 

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    I'm not going to repeat what I said about the last game because it's insanity but I'm going to expand on what FCB said about Muller and to an extent Baccus.

    Under Babbel, Baccus was a very tenacious CM alongside Pirmin, he goes in hard, wins ball for us in the midfield and on the odd occasion moves the ball forward. Under Robinson, that's been taken completely out of his game, and Baccus has massively regressed under Robinson. Baccus does not look comfortable on the ball, he looks confused on what to do and carelessly gives the ball away. You can blame Baccus for the **** he put through this season but that has been coached out of him from what he was last season from Robinson.

    As for Muller, to me he should be playing that 10 role behind Duke, feeding him balls in the midfield. Troisi does not do any of that. He's a headless chicken running around the field with no idea what he is doing when there's clearly a better player on the bench in both Cox and Muller. And I really feel sorry for both Cox and Muller having to be on the bench when a shitter player is playing ahead of them in Troisi.

    I'm giving Carl the benefit of the doubt but he seems more deluded to think that 3-5-2 and possession football works when it clearly does not.

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    Looking at the rest of the fixtures that are confirmed to go ahead, the squad should be winning these no matter what. Plus, the squad will get some decent breaks between games: 

    16th April vs Roar - Home
    23rd April vs Victory - Away
    1st May vs Smurfs - Home
    8th May vs Western United - Home
    16th May vs Glory - Away

    I think there's still a Phoenix game that is postponed, that's another game they should win as well. 

    There's no excuses from now onwards.

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    3 hours ago, mack said:

    We're playing in a league where the Mariners since the 2015/16 to 2019/20 season only won 21 games out of 135 and finished last more often than not. Then this season they've won 9 out of 16 and are in first. Newcastle finished last a few years ago then finished 2nd and made the Grand Final the year after.

    This isn't Scotland where Celtic & Rangers are spending multiple times more than their upper level rivals and 10 or even 20 times more than the lower teams. This isn't Spain with RM & Barca. The oil shieks & Russian oligarchs here can't spend billions on the club like they do in Europe.

    There is no reason why any club in the league can't become a Top 4 club with proper leadership, tactics and recruitment.

    Totally

    Add for that we are one of the most resourced clubs in the league.

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    2 hours ago, SBW said:

    Under Babbel, Baccus was a very tenacious CM alongside Pirmin, he goes in hard, wins ball for us in the midfield and on the odd occasion moves the ball forward. Under Robinson, that's been taken completely out of his game, and Baccus has massively regressed under Robinson. Baccus does not look comfortable on the ball, he looks confused on what to do and carelessly gives the ball away. You can blame Baccus for the **** he put through this season but that has been coached out of him from what he was last season from Robinson.

    I am struggling to understand how Robinson has coached Baccus to regularly give away easy passes to opposition , we are still playing a similar style to last year please help me by explaining how Robbo has caused Baccus's basic skills to decline (I have been a big fan of Baccus but he has regressed).

    Steven Ugarkovic will partner Dorrans as soon as he arrives. 

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