Wanderers Smash Glory, Reclaim 2nd Spot

At least no one was racially vilified whilst they were being intimidated by the armed security force.

Can someone please tell me, what "message" are the authorities trying to send here?

"WE WILL NOT ACCEPT INTIMIDATION OF PEOPLE AT THE FOOTBALL........

..........unless we are the ones doing it"

????????

Sorry to the police/security guys reading this, but that's what it looks like.

"Happy harmony day everyone".

 

"Say hello to these armed riot squad guys".

 

"Happy harmony day".

And Happy Harmony Day to you to Zip!

What a day it was for cops of all cultures and ethnicities to beat up on the RBB.

Another thing from tonight.

Security made me throw out an empty water bottle.

They said only bottles that were still sealed were allowed in.

 

I'm confused and would like to know the reasoning behind it...

That is absolute crap (maybe different rules if you are RBB) but each match I have brought water bottles and know that it is allowed in rules of what you can and can't bring in!!

I usually find that if you ask to speak to a supervisor who actually knows what is allowed and what isn't compared to just ordinary security that may not be familiar with the rules of what you can and can't bring into the stadium.

So I can't sleep, so I decided to write an email to Ben/Shaun and hopefully I can get a response. I urge others to send something (possibly shorter in length) so hopefully it gets the point across

Hi Ben,

 

How is it going?

 

Did you receive the email below by any chance? If the questions have already been passed on to management already, thank you very much I appreciate it.

 

I just wanted to follow up the email I sent last week with another after hearing about some pretty unsavory events that occurred in relation to the RBB yesterday at the match. It was quite sad to hear that fans were being evicted for "sitting in the wrong bay" when there was no room to sit in his allocated bay and "celebrating too hard" when we scored a goal. The police presence yesterday was one of the heaviest representations I have seen at parramatta (even bigger than the derby that had 20,000 people to today's 12,000). I can't understand there purpose to protect people when it is clear they have the prerogative to use a heavy handed approach to cause divisions between the club and the RBB. I thought they had an understanding of active support which is different to other sedative Australian sports and it doesn't appear that a common sense approach is being taken towards fans behavior.

 

These types of situations have been occurring week after week and it causes me some concern that the club (at least from an external perspective) doesn't seem to be doing all in there power to protect the active fans which are a massive asset to our club.

 

Please don't get me wrong, any type of anti social behavior whether it be flares or fights have no place in our club but it is the comical decisions made by the police lacking common sense which are worrying. When they deal with the FFA and they get replies like they do above (insert picture of letter from FFA from a ban), that is completely unacceptable. That type of terminology and speech belongs more in a dictatorship rather than in a democracy which we currently live within. Is it really fair that these fans of our club get treated with such disrespect that no review of these situations can occur?

 

It all disappoints me greatly and I hope the response from management is forthcoming,

 

If you could pass on my concerns to whoever is appropriate it would be much appreciated.

Well if customers can win a class action against the banks as the ANZ case has shown, we should amass a large enough group to take a class action against the 'police'. You know the government is in place to protect citizens and serve them. When they start exploiting the public through taxes being squandered on bullying people around, then they are an established organised mafia.

anyway ..... can anyone confirm that simply finishing second qualifies for next season's ACL as per OP ?

I thought it was premiership winner, championship winner and next best (grand finalist in first instance if applicable) for a play off ?

Should've been about 8-0.

 

Was great to put away three, but I think today we saw that some of our players don't have that cutting edge, that special something to make stuff happen - i.e. when we tried to walk the ball into the net (all 25 times)

 

Juric, of course, is not one of them. We are a whole different team with him on the field lately.

If santalab cut back in towards for the many balls Hersi played in them it could have been 10

Happy harmony day.

Doesnt matter what natio you all get treated like **** equally in the terraces of the RBB.

It shows how paranoid this society is about "the rules". Must stick to "the rules".

You know what. With sh it the way it is it is not a pleasant experience going and supporting the team while sitting in the RBB.

Fans have to put up with so much sh it just to support the team.

Given this the LEAST the club can do is come out and give its official position on where it stands on this issue. They could at least pay tje fans this respect.

Oh yeah.....F*ck the FFA.

anyway ..... can anyone confirm that simply finishing second qualifies for next season's ACL as per OP ?

 

I thought it was premiership winner, championship winner and next best (grand finalist in first instance if applicable) for a play off ?

From wiki:

"the highest placed team on the A-League table which has not already qualified for the AFC Champions League entering a playoff to enter the competition."

So, Roar are in regardless. The GF winner is in, or if the Roar make the GF then the other finalist. And the playoff spot goes to 2nd, or 3rd if the 2nd placed team is in the GF.

What is he going to do. Shoot someone for singing a bit too loud

The issues with the police started somewhat at the start of the game. 2 police officers stood right in the middle of the Northgate banner. i was to the side, and thought this seemed a bit awkward from them. Admittedly the police were in line with the bay corridors but when they were asked to move so that people could stand behind the banner they refused. A few people asked the police if it was ok if they moved down a little further then they obliged.

 

Then the alleged incident of the banning, which if it's true is ridiculous. lets be honest we all stand and or sit in different bays to those we are allocated, it's hardly a "crime" worthy of a 6 month ban. Also moshing too hard or celebrating too hard is not a legally strong position to take, and the police know this.

 

Are the police specifically looking to intimidate fans? it sometimes comes across as if they do.

 

The response from the capo ws really good, and i think that the moment these events of bannings occur we need to alert all active supporters that this has occured. The capos need to then take direction and tell the active supporters what we will be doing. My opinion is don't ask a group of 1000 people what they want to do as you won't get an understandable response. have a pre set action which we all must do, then either continue cheering or we move out if the incident warrants it. (keep in mind the police may stop people from moving out of bays as they did during the protest game recently.. The RBB also needs a tactic to deal with this, and a tactic that is supported by the club, ie people leaving in bays or in groups of 50, every 5 minutes).

 

Personally i thought the actions of the east and west stands was out of line. If the capo is talking, don't get all high and mighty and start cheering. We are silent for a reason, don't drown out your active supporters because you don't like what you see, or assume something. The RBB is an active supporter group there to cheer on the team, but we also have strong opinions on specific issues. non active supporters need to comprehend these issues as they are at times, legitimate ie Security using unnecessary force on fans, police using silly bans to create disharmony and other issues.

 

The non active supporters need to support the RBB, and this starts with following the capo. if there is no cheering, there is no cheering for a bloody good reason. Show some love to those who create the atmosphere and don't be quick to go agro on those who wear your same colours.

 

Ultimately it is this disunity whch the police and Hatamoto want. Don't play into the hands of those who promote this disunity.

 This is Australia where people are respected as are their opinions, whether they are the same as yours or not. A country where we have respect for Authority, our legal system and procedural fairness upon appeal processes.

Now I know people are going to come back with the same ol', same ol' redundant arguement here but guess what , it is what it is and we have to be smarter in this with a proactive solution.

This is not a place where we shut up, listen and do as we are told by a bunch of Anarchists....The Southern, Eastern and Western stands are full of passionate fans which are there for the football, not the RBB. They were just showing that if you guys aren't prepared to be active, guess what, there are thousands of others who wish to take your spot and a lot of these are people who missed out on RBB memberships. What next, a protest next week for not enough bubbles in the warm beer served in a plastic cup....FFS

The Eastern and Western Stand where 'telling' the RBB enough is enough and felt as though they were putting themselves in front of the team yet again. I can assure you the players sensed a problem as was evident with the lull in their enthusiasm at the start of the 2nd half and the confidence boost once the decibells were raised up to where it should be.

And once again we are talking about issues off the pitch instead of our dominant display which put us back up to second spot. Are we WSW or that other whingeing poor excuse of a club who wear Sky Blue?

Well if customers can win a class action against the banks as the ANZ case has shown, we should amass a large enough group to take a class action against the 'police'. You know the government is in place to protect citizens and serve them. When they start exploiting the public through taxes being squandered on bullying people around, then they are an established organised mafia.

Believe it or not this is a smart suggestion/solution which could possibly get up and running.

 

The issues with the police started somewhat at the start of the game. 2 police officers stood right in the middle of the Northgate banner. i was to the side, and thought this seemed a bit awkward from them. Admittedly the police were in line with the bay corridors but when they were asked to move so that people could stand behind the banner they refused. A few people asked the police if it was ok if they moved down a little further then they obliged.

 

Then the alleged incident of the banning, which if it's true is ridiculous. lets be honest we all stand and or sit in different bays to those we are allocated, it's hardly a "crime" worthy of a 6 month ban. Also moshing too hard or celebrating too hard is not a legally strong position to take, and the police know this.

 

Are the police specifically looking to intimidate fans? it sometimes comes across as if they do.

 

The response from the capo ws really good, and i think that the moment these events of bannings occur we need to alert all active supporters that this has occured. The capos need to then take direction and tell the active supporters what we will be doing. My opinion is don't ask a group of 1000 people what they want to do as you won't get an understandable response. have a pre set action which we all must do, then either continue cheering or we move out if the incident warrants it. (keep in mind the police may stop people from moving out of bays as they did during the protest game recently.. The RBB also needs a tactic to deal with this, and a tactic that is supported by the club, ie people leaving in bays or in groups of 50, every 5 minutes).

 

Personally i thought the actions of the east and west stands was out of line. If the capo is talking, don't get all high and mighty and start cheering. We are silent for a reason, don't drown out your active supporters because you don't like what you see, or assume something. The RBB is an active supporter group there to cheer on the team, but we also have strong opinions on specific issues. non active supporters need to comprehend these issues as they are at times, legitimate ie Security using unnecessary force on fans, police using silly bans to create disharmony and other issues.

 

The non active supporters need to support the RBB, and this starts with following the capo. if there is no cheering, there is no cheering for a bloody good reason. Show some love to those who create the atmosphere and don't be quick to go agro on those who wear your same colours.

 

Ultimately it is this disunity whch the police and Hatamoto want. Don't play into the hands of those who promote this disunity.

 This is Australia where people are respected as are their opinions, whether they are the same as yours or not. A country where we have respect for Authority, our legal system and procedural fairness upon appeal processes.

So you agree that the FFA should have an appeal system then? 

 

anyway ..... can anyone confirm that simply finishing second qualifies for next season's ACL as per OP ?

 

I thought it was premiership winner, championship winner and next best (grand finalist in first instance if applicable) for a play off ?

 

From wiki:

 

"the highest placed team on the A-League table which has not already qualified for the AFC Champions League entering a playoff to enter the competition."

 

So, Roar are in regardless. The GF winner is in, or if the Roar make the GF then the other finalist. And the playoff spot goes to 2nd, or 3rd if the 2nd placed team is in the GF.

 

In January this year the AFC announced that qualification has again changed.  Because of increased interest from its Member Associations they will soon be assessing each MA in the Confederation based on National Team ranking over the past 4 years - 30% and success in AFC club competitions over the past 4 years - 70%.  The top 24 ranked MA's will be able to qualify clubs for the ACL with the distribution of spots yet to be determined but it will be based on rankings and having appropriate facilities, transport links etc etc etc.

At the same time they also announced changes to World Cup and Asian Cup qualification. The top 12 nations from Round 1 of qualification will automatically qualify for the next Asian Cup but will also continue on in 2 groups of 6 in Round 2 which decides the World Cup qualifiers.  The best 24 nations who miss out on the 12 will continue to play off for the remaining 12 spots in the 24 nation expanded Asian Cup.

http://www.the-afc.com/en/about-afc/afc-departments/competitions-division/27547-revamp-of-afc-competitions.html

I will be calling the club today to ask what they are going to do about all of this harassment. I would encourage others to do the same as if we just put up with it, we are not doing ourselves any favours.

Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that all of this is just spoiling our enjoyment of being in the RBB and I agree with that. We won 3-0 yesterday and all we are again talking about is this. Sport is their for everyone's enjoyment and it is turning away from that into some kind of hate and blame game. We need to try and turn it around so that it is fun again like last year. 

Firstly in regards to the FFA appeal process, they are a private entity are are not required to have such - think of them as a licensed premises, if you were evicted from a pub you'd have little course of appeal. That said, it doesn't make it right what they're doing and that letter floating around from the FFA is actually a fake.

The police presence yesterday was disgusting, over the top and intimidating. Just walking back to the CBD from the stadium through the park nearby we saw at least 30+ riot police, arms folded, standing there glaring at everyone as if they were awaiting trial for murder.

To quote Gatty's article this morning: â€œif you treat people like animals they will act as such†(read here, good read: http://rossword.com/2014/03/23/dear-western-sydney-wanderers-fc/).

Perhaps someone knows the legality of this, but can the club/Pirtek no prevent them from entering the premises of the venue as it's private property? Again, not sure what the parameters are though in that instance (not to mention the political ramifications between club, stadium, council and police).

Firstly in regards to the FFA appeal process, they are a private entity are are not required to have such - think of them as a licensed premises, if you were evicted from a pub you'd have little course of appeal. That said, it doesn't make it right what they're doing and that letter floating around from the FFA is actually a fake.

 

The police presence yesterday was disgusting, over the top and intimidating. Just walking back to the CBD from the stadium through the park nearby we saw at least 30+ riot police, arms folded, standing there glaring at everyone as if they were awaiting trial for murder.

 

To quote Gatty's article this morning: â€œif you treat people like animals they will act as such†(read here, good read: http://rossword.com/2014/03/23/dear-western-sydney-wanderers-fc/ )

 

Perhaps someone knows the legality of this, but can the club/Pirtek no prevent them from entering the premises of the venue as it's private property? Again, not sure what the parameters are though in that instance (not to mention the political ramifications between club, stadium, council and police).

Link was broken - fixed

 

Are these bans true or just rumours. How do the cops ban someone so quickly ie during a game. Don't they have to prove to the club what they are accusing someone of, surely they don't just take fans out the back and then ban them ?

All true, and I can give you names. And yes that is exactly how it works, many people who are banned are informed on the spot of their punishment, some have to wait for a letter to be delivered by Hatamoto, it is completely arbitrary.

 

The person being banned for 'moshing' happened at halftime in front of hundreds of people.

 

Also these are the people we are dealing with (the very same ones who are counting their big pile of money as we speak):

 

Someone just posted that this letter from the FFA is a fake. Has anyone on the forum received a ban for anything trivial as I am sure everyone would like to hear your story

 

 

Are these bans true or just rumours. How do the cops ban someone so quickly ie during a game. Don't they have to prove to the club what they are accusing someone of, surely they don't just take fans out the back and then ban them ?

All true, and I can give you names. And yes that is exactly how it works, many people who are banned are informed on the spot of their punishment, some have to wait for a letter to be delivered by Hatamoto, it is completely arbitrary.

 

The person being banned for 'moshing' happened at halftime in front of hundreds of people.

 

Also these are the people we are dealing with (the very same ones who are counting their big pile of money as we speak):

 

 

Someone just posted that this letter from the FFA is a fake. Has anyone on the forum received a ban for anything trivial as I am sure everyone would like to hear your story

 

The fact the letter is from 'Security' is a dead giveaway, looks like someone has got a standard FFA promo email and edited it.

I've got actual emails from FFA reps (from my refereeing days) and they are nothing like that (for internal corro).

A lot has already been said on the matter and that is that.

For those who are puzzled as to what the hold up was at the start of the second half was, our boys (capo's) were pissed off at the half time police show in 56 taking out one of the guys for "moshing" in an area you can barely scratch your arse with.

I really thought we on the brink of walking out, bays, drums and all. But, we stayed and again it was those who would have left that continued making the noise while others stood still and silent.

For **** sake I am now at a point where I feel like they will literally find any excuse they can use to question you or pull you out.
This is what those in the East/West stands need to realise, this goes way beyond the use of "marine gear" etc.
You can't walk anywhere without a piggy in navy blue, or a 50+ year old cop with hand on holster in plain sight.

One more home game left against Brisbane next week which we must win, and **** them all no one should be scared of celebrating a goal and win.

 

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Personally i thought the actions of the east and west stands was out of line. If the capo is talking, don't get all high and mighty and start cheering. We are silent for a reason, don't drown out your active supporters because you don't like what you see, or assume something. The RBB is an active supporter group there to cheer on the team, but we also have strong opinions on specific issues. non active supporters need to comprehend these issues as they are at times, legitimate ie Security using unnecessary force on fans, police using silly bans to create disharmony and other issues.

 

The non active supporters need to support the RBB, and this starts with following the capo. if there is no cheering, there is no cheering for a bloody good reason. Show some love to those who create the atmosphere and don't be quick to go agro on those who wear your same colours.

 

Ultimately it is this disunity whch the police and Hatamoto want. Don't play into the hands of those who promote this disunity.

Oh please, are you ******* serious?????  Believe it or not from your deluded world, most people are there to support the WSW and not the RBB.

I will be calling the club today to ask what they are going to do about all of this harassment. I would encourage others to do the same as if we just put up with it, we are not doing ourselves any favours.

 

Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that all of this is just spoiling our enjoyment of being in the RBB and I agree with that. We won 3-0 yesterday and all we are again talking about is this. Sport is their for everyone's enjoyment and it is turning away from that into some kind of hate and blame game. We need to try and turn it around so that it is fun again like last year. 

I just spoke to the Club and they mentioned that there is a meeting between the club and the RBB this week to discuss some of these issues. They have suggested that we email this address with the concerns that we have active@wswanderersfc.com.au and that all emails will be passed onto the appropriate people.

The club confirmed that the police do NOT have the final say if a fan is banned from the ground. All matters are referred to the club and if the club considers the offence trivial then they will give the supporter their membership card back. 

Perhaps we use this email address today to let the club know our feelings ( in a polite way ) and also to request that the club puts out an announcement this week on what they are going to do about the current situation.

 

I will be calling the club today to ask what they are going to do about all of this harassment. I would encourage others to do the same as if we just put up with it, we are not doing ourselves any favours.

 

Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that all of this is just spoiling our enjoyment of being in the RBB and I agree with that. We won 3-0 yesterday and all we are again talking about is this. Sport is their for everyone's enjoyment and it is turning away from that into some kind of hate and blame game. We need to try and turn it around so that it is fun again like last year. 

 

 

I just spoke to the Club and they mentioned that there is a meeting between the club and the RBB this week to discuss some of these issues. They have suggested that we email this address with the concerns that we have active@wswanderersfc.com.au and that all emails will be passed onto the appropriate people.

 

The club confirmed that the police do NOT have the final say if a fan is banned from the ground. All matters are referred to the club and if the club considers the offence trivial then they will give the supporter their membership card back. 

 

Perhaps we use this email address today to let the club know our feelings ( in a polite way ) and also to request that the club puts out an announcement this week on what they are going to do about the current situation.

 

Here is my email to the club that i have just sent

Morning Guys,

I have been an active member since the club started. I spoke to Ben at the club this morning and he suggested that I put my feelings into an email.

I wanted to say that the police presence at games is becoming very intimidating. There are people being ejected from the RBB throughout the games and then rumours going around the terrace that they are being ejected for very minor things like swearing, moshing or even celebrating too much. Also some people are suggesting that fans are being ejected and then banned for not standing in the correct bay as per their membership card.

As you can see from yesterday’s game against Perth, the terrace was emptier than normal and core RBB walked out at half time.

The enjoyment of supporting the Wanderers is being replaced with hatred and loathing towards the club and the police with what is going on at the games and I really think it is time that the club set the record straight about what is going on in the RBB, whether there rumours of fans being treated so badly are correct and what they want to see moving forwards to hopefully get both the RBB and the Club back on track. The silence from the club is not helping matters as the only arguments that the fans see are the one sided ones on the Forums. 

 

I will be calling the club today to ask what they are going to do about all of this harassment. I would encourage others to do the same as if we just put up with it, we are not doing ourselves any favours.

 

Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that all of this is just spoiling our enjoyment of being in the RBB and I agree with that. We won 3-0 yesterday and all we are again talking about is this. Sport is their for everyone's enjoyment and it is turning away from that into some kind of hate and blame game. We need to try and turn it around so that it is fun again like last year. 

 

 

I just spoke to the Club and they mentioned that there is a meeting between the club and the RBB this week to discuss some of these issues. They have suggested that we email this address with the concerns that we have active@wswanderersfc.com.au and that all emails will be passed onto the appropriate people.

 

The club confirmed that the police do NOT have the final say if a fan is banned from the ground. All matters are referred to the club and if the club considers the offence trivial then they will give the supporter their membership card back. 

 

Perhaps we use this email address today to let the club know our feelings ( in a polite way ) and also to request that the club puts out an announcement this week on what they are going to do about the current situation.

 

Great stuff. At least there is some dialogue.

I understand why the police have their hands on their guns in a large crowd, but it still is intimating to see. It's all starting to get to a boiling point now though. Surely, all sides have reached the end of the line and action needs to happen, we need to sort out this s**t before the AFC hit town for the Asian Cup.

It's like they need to have the hands at the ready. No gun doesn't take away the fact that you're a cop, that blue uniform says it all.

"I'm a coppah, I have me gun to prove it mate".

**** off.

 

 

 

I will be calling the club today to ask what they are going to do about all of this harassment. I would encourage others to do the same as if we just put up with it, we are not doing ourselves any favours.

 

Someone else mentioned earlier in the thread that all of this is just spoiling our enjoyment of being in the RBB and I agree with that. We won 3-0 yesterday and all we are again talking about is this. Sport is their for everyone's enjoyment and it is turning away from that into some kind of hate and blame game. We need to try and turn it around so that it is fun again like last year.

 

I just spoke to the Club and they mentioned that there is a meeting between the club and the RBB this week to discuss some of these issues. They have suggested that we email this address with the concerns that we have active@wswanderersfc.com.au and that all emails will be passed onto the appropriate people.

 

The club confirmed that the police do NOT have the final say if a fan is banned from the ground. All matters are referred to the club and if the club considers the offence trivial then they will give the supporter their membership card back.

 

Perhaps we use this email address today to let the club know our feelings ( in a polite way ) and also to request that the club puts out an announcement this week on what they are going to do about the current situation.

Great stuff. At least there is some dialogue.

 

I understand why the police have their hands on their guns in a large crowd, but it still is intimating to see. It's all starting to get to a boiling point now though. Surely, all sides have reached the end of the line and action needs to happen, we need to sort out this s**t before the AFC hit town for the Asian Cup.

A better question is why the **** do they have guns on them for crowd control at a sporting event?

 

I think we all just want to see what the club and the RBB can do to get things back on track and let us just enjoy going to the games like we did last year.

I found it interesting that Eastern and Western Grandstands are more than capable of keeping up a few chants, but only do so to show up the RBB. You guys are more than welcome to chant hard every game.