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    Wanderers Stay Top With Draw


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    The Western Sydney Wanderers took a point from their clash tonight against the Brisbane Roar, following a disjointed performance punctuated by multiple injuries and a last gasp miss from Alex Meier that would have won the game.

    Brisbane came into the game with a nearly unchanged lineup and one solitary point, their early performance in the game belied that position on the table as they took the fight to the table topping Wanderers. The Wanderers suffered an early blow when Pirmin Schwegler was taken off after suffering what looked to be a calf injury after 15 minutes. A half an hour of figurative push & shove came to an end as Daniel Georgevski's athletic effort from a Max Crocombe spillage was tipped over the bar by the Roar shot stopper, and at the other end Jay O'Shea blasted from a wide angle forcing Lopar into a double handed save that spilled back into the path of Roy O'Donovan, rebounded off the striker before being cleared away from a strike by Brad Inman.

    Daniel Lopar earned his man of the match effort in no small part with a quick reaction save on his line early in the 2nd half. A 49th minute corner was whipped in to the 6 yard box, Macaulay Gillesphey nodded it toward goal, Meier was Alex on the spot to clear. Only as far as Daniel Bowles, and his point blank volley brought the best out of Lopar and the Roar couldn't believe they hadn't hit the back of the net.

    Western Sydney's new attacking midfielder Nicolai Muller saw his first action in Australia, although his contribution was quite limited in effectiveness. Patrick Ziegler returned from his long injury break, as the Wanderers injury ward grew with the addition of Matthew Jurman as he came off after an injury, in the 80th minute. The Roar continued their graft, Stefan Mauk trying two long range efforts as full time loomed.

    In the dying minutes it was the Wanderers marquee man Alexander Meier who should have broken the deadlock. Two minutes into stoppage time, Baccus managed to work the ball out to Georgevski, he found new man Muller, his cut back was perfectly placed for Meier, but with the crowd rising in expectation, Meier badly misjudged the flight of the ball, a tame effort that he couldn't even aim to either side of Crocombe, and with that the Wanderers sent the home crowd home disappointed with the first draw at the Western Sydney Stadium. Despite the draw the Wanderers remain top of the table & yet to taste defeat, 1 point ahead of local rivals Sydney FC although Melbourne City could draw level on Sunday.

    The Wanderers face expansion side Western United next Saturday the 9th of November at 7:30PM, at the Geelong AFL stadium.

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    4 minutes ago, mack said:

    In two weeks we could be 3 points behind SFC & Melbourne City.

    Not sure if you're trying to be funny.

    But if not,  you'd better be careful Mack....gotta check that negativity, mate! ;)

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    1 minute ago, wendybr said:

     

    Not sure if you're trying to be funny.

    But if not,  you'd better be careful Mack....gotta check that negativity, mate! ;)

    you might have to ban yourself from your own forum, thank god some here had the ability to ban anyone who disagreed with them :P

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    3 minutes ago, wendybr said:

     

    Not sure if you're trying to be funny.

    But if not,  you'd better be careful Mack....gotta check that negativity, mate! ;)

    Actually I got it wrong. We could be 6 points behind Melbourne City. We could be 3 points behind even if we win next week.

    We have a bye and our 2nd hardest game of the season coming up. SFC also have a bye. City have Wellington today, then the Mariners then the Roar. They could be on 16 points.

    And then they play us the week before their bye.

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    19 minutes ago, mack said:

    In two weeks we could be 3 points behind SFC & Melbourne City.

    yea we very well could be but sadly I would of probably taken that before a ball was kicked

    Edited by scarcev

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    3 minutes ago, WHACKO said:

    Babbel from last night's presser.  "This is the good thing about football we have different opinions".

    its a pity there is a complete knob on the forum who missed that part of the press conference

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    3 minutes ago, Neverbloom said:

    its a pity there is a complete knob on the forum who missed that part of the press conference

    More of those on the FTBL forum to be honest.

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    31 minutes ago, mack said:

    Actually I got it wrong. We could be 6 points behind Melbourne City. We could be 3 points behind even if we win next week.

    We have a bye and our 2nd hardest game of the season coming up. SFC also have a bye. City have Wellington today, then the Mariners then the Roar. They could be on 16 points.

    And then they play us the week before their bye.

    Upcoming rounds

    R4

    Heartle$$ v Nix (No Maclaren,  Dellboy or Windbichler for HL, Hooper in for Nix but no Cacace)

    Perth v Mariners

    R5

    Heartle$$ v Mariners 

    Jets v Perth

    Fraudsters v WSW

    Vuck v Nix

    Adelaide v Brisbane 

    Bye Smurfs 

    R6

    Mariners v Adelaide 

    Fraudsters v Jets

    Brisbane v Heartle$$

    Smurfs v Vuck (will be postponed)

    Bye WSW, Nix, Perth

    R7

    WSW v Heartle$$

    Nix v Brisbane 

    Adelaide v Vuck 

    Perth v Smurfs

    Mariners v Fraudsters 

    Bye Newcastle 

     

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    2 hours ago, wendybr said:

    Lol...

    But I honestly don't see the need for people to repress expression of what they think/feel about where we're at.

    If people can't say what they think/feel here...well, where can they?

     

     

    Come on Wendy, are you advocating for free speech😁

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    3 hours ago, btron3000 said:

    Yeah there were times he had it and was looking to play it on to someone and I was thinking “here we go!” but the pass just went astray or a defender got a toe in or something.

    But his insertion in the team also seems to have stagnated Duke and Yeboah a bit. Like they are uncertain how to move around a big guy up front. Probably not used to playing with one. And it IS more difficult. If you have a 9 who will come into channels, then other players can move into the spaces he leaves. If not, the options for the wide guys are lessened. Duke in particular suits drifting in to the striker role and then back out again.

    It seems we also really need a central midfielder (or two) who is naturally attacking. Some players will play the ball in to a forward and automatically look to make a run beyond, some instinctively play it in and sit. We definitely need a Muller who clearly has an attacking mentality. Baccus and Schwegler don’t, and Grozos might as well not have been on the park yesterday. I think he was hiding a bit.

    And yeah Roar stifled us well. We were trying to break them down but constantly finding the wrong option.

    BUT at the same time if the big guy’s main job is to finish then he needs to do better than the soft headers and scuffed shots that we have been getting.

    good post.

    once you have a player like AM you are committing to playing around him. lots of the best passing teams have a big guy in the middle and he isn't there as a target man - he is there as a means to hold possession to give others time to move into space. Dino isn't 5% of the player that AM is but he fulfilled a similar role. get the ball to feet - hold the big centre back on his back to allow time for others to move into space. I'd like to see him drop a bit deeper and be more involved in the build up a bit more and do this but grozos was in this space and very static so AM basically stood next to their centreback and watched the game. Not really what you want from your marquee striker.

    In another of your posts btron you said that atm we are a tough gutsy team but lacking an identity in our attacking approach (or words to that effect - am heavily paraphrasing). I would agree with this assessment. We have established a sound defensive structure + a good keeper which means we shouldn't give up many goals which will keep us in most games - need to sort out how we want to play and how the pieces fit together. am hopeful that muller will be the answer to a lot of these questions. in the meantime we will need to keep grinding out results like this.

    mourinho's chelsea won a heap of silverware using a pretty similar formula. staunch defence, great keeper, big striker, a flair player and a bit of pace around him = lots of 1-0's, pretty unappealing football at times but plenty of trophies.

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    19 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

    mourinho's chelsea won a heap of silverware using a pretty similar formula. staunch defence, great keeper, big striker, a flair player and a bit of pace around him = lots of 1-0's, pretty unappealing football at times but plenty of trophies.

    Oh god no :lol:

    The problem I always had with Mourinho's Chelsea is that they shouldn't have needed to play like that when they could afford all the best attacking players in the world!

    I guess in a salary cap league it is more understandable. But I hope not.

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    TLDR

    I bet there's a few glass half empty viewpoints amongst the post game offerings in here thus far.

    Irrespective of how we rate the individual performances of our players yesterday, I wouldn't put too much energy into analysing the performance in isolation as we were coming off an emotional Derby win & most of the squad were flat or lacking game time in recent months. 

    The conditions didn't lend themselves to good football yesterday & our front four in particular were managing training loads or had niggles & we're all underdone. We lacked movement & failed to create space for our playmakers in the final 3rd. When Muller came on he provided the penetration that had been lacking. He's quality

    Btw, it was still hot & humid a 10am this morning when our NYL put 5 past Canberra at our academy fields this morning. Adam with a hatrick within 30 mins.

    Plenty of our AL youngsters got 70+ minutes. Good hitout for a few lads who have been training a lot, but, not playing many games   

    Lineup looks like 3-4-1-2 Trew-Adam Vasiliou Cordier-Jordan-Sawalha-Russell Al Taay-Percevski-Pelekanos Suman

    Still image of Adam's penalty  

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    47 minutes ago, Taurus said:

    Btw, it was still hot & humid a 10am this morning when our NYL put 5 past Canberra at our academy fields this morning. Adam with a hatrick within 30 mins.

    Would have loved Adam to come on against the Roar.

    Looked at the NYL draw, our boys have bye in Round 1

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    1. I was really doubting McGowan during pre-season but, since shifting to a back four, he has been terrific in defence as well has his distribution.
       
    2. Any word on Schwegler's injury?
       
    3. It was hot and humid.... that is a real advantage for a team like Brisbane who are acclimatised to it.  

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    Jurman and Schwegler aren't likely to play next week. Schwegler seems to have the worse injury, hopefully he'll be better after our bye.

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    51 minutes ago, Paul01 said:

    Would have loved Adam to come on against the Roar.

    Looked at the NYL draw, our boys have bye in Round 1

    They have another trial v's a local NPL2 opponent next Sat morning, so for those not travelling to Geelong, it's an opportunity to get their WSW fix by watching our 2002's & later play against u20's, whom they may play against during the 2020 NPL2 season. 

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    3 hours ago, mack said:

    In two weeks we could be 3 points behind SFC & Melbourne City.

    It is the A League they have to get over CCM and Nix yet.   I challenge anyone who before the season started would not have been happy with 10 points looking at our first 4 rounds.

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    Quoted from the FBTL site:

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    The former Newcastle Jets man says there is a real team spirit in the dressing room where everyone puts a shift in on both ends of the pitch, best seen by the blocked shots of Kwame Yeboah and Alexander Meier.

    “That’s a desire to not lose, that’s a perfect formula for any team," he said. "If you can’t score at least you can defend well and the fact that Yeboah blocked a shot was pretty much going in and he’s a winger, and Meier as well. 

    Where last we didn't see that at all last season, defense, resilience and a fighting attitude.

    I believe we will get there soon, we seen glimpses against Victory.

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    23 minutes ago, dcrow said:

    Quoted from the FBTL site:

    Where last we didn't see that at all last season, defense, resilience and a fighting attitude.

    I believe we will get there soon, we seen glimpses against Victory.

    Seem to recall a club from western Sydney winning the ACL with that kind of attitude.

    Course people were bitching about how they capitulated against Ulsan Hyundai in the rain and pyro back then too...

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    To suggest that the post-game discussion turned into a washer women convention would be an insult to all washer women.

    Top of the table, unbeaten, two clean sheets despite injury worries, best start into the season in our history, all five import and two marquee spots filled - but that is not enough.

    MB said in the presser that football is not a "Wunschkonzert", meaning a "request show" - that's something people don't seem to compute. Thank goodness that we don't have an ownership model where the members actually have a say. These experts would have the club sunk in now time.

     

    Edited by FCB

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    I thought "our" referee was sh!t, Wellington were absolutely robbed.

     

    Back on subject, it would be awesome to have our top 11 on the field all at the one time but as one comes in another goes out. 

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    9 hours ago, wendybr said:

     

    But tread carefully if you are going to say something to him.

    Good luck!

    Before the derby I was waiting for my son who was on that inflatable football thing they have set up on the basketball court behind the east stand. Down from me was an Asian lady with a young toddler in a push chair and I think might have been waiting for an older kid also. Near her was a guy stood having a cigarette, no WSW or ESFC colours, but with a group of other blokes, might have been waiting for kids also. 

    I was watching my son really, I did smell the ciggie smoke and wasn't really looking when I heard the lady approach the man and say "would you mind moving further down that way with your cigarette", the response was disgusting and made me look. He went right up to her face and said "why don't you mind your own ******* business you ******* ****, get ****ed", what a low life. I would have stepped in, he backed off and walked around to the other end of the game things, he caught me giving him the eye, he kept on walking thankfully. I smiled at the lady and asked if she was ok, she seemed ok and thanked me anyway for asking....

    ******* scum..

     

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    2 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Before the derby I was waiting for my son who was on that inflatable football thing they have set up on the basketball court behind the east stand. Down from me was an Asian lady with a young toddler in a push chair and I think might have been waiting for an older kid also. Near her was a guy stood having a cigarette, no WSW or ESFC colours, but with a group of other blokes, might have been waiting for kids also. 

    I was watching my son really, I did smell the ciggie smoke and wasn't really looking when I heard the lady approach the man and say "would you mind moving further down that way with your cigarette", the response was disgusting and made me look. He went right up to her face and said "why don't you mind your own ******* business you ******* ****, get ****ed", what a low life. I would have stepped in, he backed off and walked around to the other end of the game things, he caught me giving him the eye, he kept on walking thankfully. I smiled at the lady and asked if she was ok, she seemed ok and thanked me anyway for asking....

    ******* scum..

     

    That reminds me of the night I was at the Leeds match. My son and I were down in that area as well. We were doing a lap of the stadium, to try and soak up some of the atmosphere of our first game back at the stadium as we had some time to kill.

    We were walking beside 3 lads wearing Leeds gear. One of them decided to clear his throat and then dropped a massive golly on the pavers right in front of where we were walking. As you said - ******* scum.

    Young Wanderboy was astounded, but found it funny that they couldn't give a ****. Of course, no one from Teeside or Tyneside would ever do such a thing!

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    2 minutes ago, Wanderboy said:

    That reminds me of the night I was at the Leeds match. My son and I were down in that area as well. We were doing a lap of the stadium, to try and soak up some of the atmosphere of our first game back at the stadium as we had some time to kill.

    We were walking beside 3 lads wearing Leeds gear. One of them decided to clear his throat and then dropped a massive golly on the pavers right in front of where we were walking. As you said - ******* scum.

    Young Wanderboy was astounded, but found it funny that they couldn't give a ****. Of course, no one from Teeside or Tyneside would ever do such a thing!

    Indeed....mind attending football since 1985 and never seen a women given some hassle like that...some inappropriate chants  that would be out of place now yes...but not that kind of reaction, lowest of the low.

    Edited by Smoggy

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    6 hours ago, btron3000 said:

    Sorry Burgerman this is not just aimed at you, but there is a constant theme of "we are top of the table, what more do people want?" going round.

    If that is the case we might as well close down the forum, just post the table each week!

    Nothing is truer in sport than the fact that you can't stand still. You stop to admire your handiwork, you are going backwards. People are just pointing out the things we need to improve else we will get overtaken.

    The coach himself, in three of the four games, has said we did not play well.

    Good post.

    From what I've read, there has generally been reasonably constructive criticism. And, IMO it has been warranted. We might well be top of the table (well not now anyway) but we have ridden our luck big time. Good luck to us. It's been a great ride to win games that we would normally lose. It has been astounding that we remain undefeated after 4 rounds. There wouldn't be ONE Wanderers fan who would be unhappy with our position on the table.

    But, if posters feel the need to elaborate on certain aspects of our game that they are disappointed with, they should be able to do so freely without the consequence of personal abuse. They are, just opinions after all. As you said, Babbel has said 3 weeks out of 4 that we did not play well, and there needs to be improvement and he believes we will. This forum gives us all the opportunity to discuss those issues that we see may need improvement, and share our opinions on how this may come about. Really, it's nothing more than that. Yes some will disagree with others. Big deal.

    It's when the personal abuse starts flowing that it descends into chaos. It's MY opinion that those that personally abuse others are intolerant of others opinions, they aren't willing to rationally discuss other's opinions and become defensive and therefore go down the line of abuse, which ultimately weakens their own arguments.  

    Fair dinkum, I've seen the way the Parra LU forum has behaved over the last decade or so with the Eels lack of success. I'd hate for this forum, which is generally humorous, friendly and intelligent, to descend into that. 

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    Frustrating. Was really looking forward to enjoying 90 minutes of football. Was just dissapointing to see Brisbane look a more cohesive unit then our selves at home.

    BUT! Once again a point gained, and some incredible fight and scrambling in defence. My thoughts on just the poor performances.

    Yeboah - Simply not enough in attack and on the ball from him. In fairness ive never seen him as a winger but Mo needs to be in the side. Yeboah lacks touch and quality, and it hurts our attack with Meier playing bit part roles.

    Meier - Ineffective but with little chances. Just expecting abit more class in the occasions he does receive the ball. I think he needs to swap with Duke occasionally and take up a wing spot, drag defenders around, get dangerous flick on in different zones.

    Grozos - shits me to peices when i see young lads given a chance and they don’t bust their nut to impress. Not a fan of this kid yet. 

    Duke - im being harsh but he just looked tired and slow on the ball.

    Babbel always speaks about playing with confidence, trying things and not being afraid to fail. Our youngsters still suffer from this. Muller grew very frustrated whilst the likes of Baccus and Tass failed to play in simple 5m early balls to him when he peeled off. These kids need to grow a football brain and step up.

     

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