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    The Wanderers A-League Round 7 fixture against Wellington Phoenix has been postponed, with questions raised as to the legitimacy of the "poor surface" excuse.

    Reports were filed late in the afternoon that the game against Wellington had been postponed due to a poor playing surface, and these reports were soon confirmed by the Wanderers club.

    Sydney Showground has not been used by the Wanderers since Round 2 on October 14. Since then, the stadium playing surface was apparently put through a process of relaying to "transition" between the "winter" grass used during the AFL season, to the "summer" grass used during the Cricket & A-League season. Despite the month of time spent between games, it became apparent that the surface had not grown in as previously expected.

    Despite the month long absence, neither the Wanderers or the Sydney Showground appear to have bothered setting up a contingency plan, that could have included moving the game to Penrith, Campbelltown, Stadium Australia next door, or even an option such as the synthetic pitch at Sydney United Edensor Park or Lilys Stadium.

    There has been no explanation provided yet as to why the game couldn't be moved. Fortunately for the Wanderers, Football Federation Australia appear to have elected not to introduce any punishment to the club, such as a fine or a forfeit such as might happen in a European competition. The delay will likely be beneficial to the Wellington Phoenix, who have players coming back from their international duty in Peru.

    The game will be rescheduled at some point in the future, I would suggest likely dates being the weekend of the  9-11 February, or a midweek fixture from 26-28 December or 13-15 March. This scheduling disaster caps off the terrible transition the Wanderers have had in their temporary "home" of the Olympic Precinct. If the Wanderers leadership aren't filled with apocalyptic rage at yet another blunder from the AFL loving Showground they need to take a good hard look at themselves. Supporters are already having to put up with ignorant security staff and a precinct that resembles a morgue that's closed for the weekend anyway, and now they are causing fixture scheduling issues.

    Sydney Showground had scheduled an on-pitch rave dance party "Sensation Australia" for the Showground on the 25th of November. A press release for the dance party confirmed that the large set would take an entire week to build and start on Friday the 17th. Now, I question how could the Showground & the Wanderers have possibly played a football game on the Sydney Showground while it was being swarmed by a 100 person construction crew? Have the fans been lied to about this cancellation? Have the Wanderers been booted off our stadium because the Showground booked in a one-off dance party despite our club having confirmed our home fixtures months ago? These are serious questions that need to be answered.

    If the stated reason for the postponement is true, that the stadium surface is unplayable and unable to grow properly, I question why the Showground allowed this concert to continue? These high impact events cannot possibly be good for a surface which has already been struggling to grow to an acceptable level, and as we've seen in the past, these events have impact far beyond the few days the event is taking place on. I wonder when we do eventually return, will the pitch will have been ruined by construction and thousands of people walking on it? The Western Sydney Stadium at Parramatta cannot come soon enough for the Wanderers and their fans.


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    100% 

    The whole grass story is pretty hilarious when you think about it, so only on Thursday did they realise “oh **** it’s not growing right”...lmao... they would of been informed a while ago of early signs of pitch degradation. The whole bloody thing is monitored around the clock by groundskeepers ffs. 

     

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    12 minutes ago, xxBrandonxx said:

    100% 

    The whole grass story is pretty hilarious when you think about it, so only on Thursday did they realise “oh **** it’s not growing right”...lmao... they would of been informed a while ago of early signs of pitch degradation. The whole bloody thing is monitored around the clock by groundskeepers ffs. 

     

    Funny thing is, my Father in law re seeded is lawn over the last month or so....Anyway he thinks it has been great growing weather, some sun, but not too hot, a bit of rain around without it being flooding rain to get things moving. The worst thing you can get with growing new grass is a heatwave or flooding rain, we have had neither of those things, ok a little cooler perhaps but nothing out of the ordinary really.

    To be honest for Sydney it has been pretty benign ordinary kind of weather without too many extremes. Sack the ground staff and hire my father in law lol

    The grass things sounds like an excuse to me considering the conditions we have had for the last month or so.

    Someone has obviously made a mistake, which is human nature of course, own the mistake and fess up rather than feeding enough bullshite to make the grass grow anyway...

     

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    At first I was sceptical of the grass excuse. However after their press statement I fully believe spotless are just as incapable as they want us to believe they are. I mean have you even seen a business work so hard to convince people they can't do their job properly (excluding the FFA)?

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    1 hour ago, Davo said:

    The club has some blame here. They have a second home ground, literally next door, with seats allocated to all the members and more than enough capacity to hold both the Nix fans. It seems that when the club were planning the schedule around the resurfacing nobody thought to ask "what if it's not ready in time?" They could have spoken to ANZ about a tentative booking (it's going to be sitting empty so I doubt they'd have a problem with it) and had plans in place to switch.

    I don’t agree. If you pay someone for a service then you have to place a level of trust in them that they will deliver. I doubt the club pencil in backup flights for interstate games in case of flight delays so why should this be different? The club can’t control everything

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    I might be naïve here, can some one explain to me why they couldn't just switch the game over to ANZ stadium?

    if there is a cost involved,  cant some money come from Spotless or their insurance for not supplying what was ordered?

    I'm a simple man, simple answers please.

     

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    8 minutes ago, hughsey said:

    I don’t agree. If you pay someone for a service then you have to place a level of trust in them that they will deliver. I doubt the club pencil in backup flights for interstate games in case of flight delays so why should this be different? The club can’t control everything

    For routine things the risk is low enough that it isn't worth the effort to put a contingency in place every time (although I'm sure they'd have a process in place for transport issues). However for something like this they had plenty of notice, it isn't a routine activity, the risk is high and the amount of time and effort required to have a Plan B at you other current home ground would be minimal.

    After the issues the club has had in the past with people they pay for a service (getting membership packs to members before the season starts immediately comes to mind) it seems they don't do a lot of contingency planning.

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    16 minutes ago, Davo said:

    For routine things the risk is low enough that it isn't worth the effort to put a contingency in place every time (although I'm sure they'd have a process in place for transport issues). However for something like this they had plenty of notice, it isn't a routine activity, the risk is high and the amount of time and effort required to have a Plan B at you other current home ground would be minimal.

    After the issues the club has had in the past with people they pay for a service (getting membership packs to members before the season starts immediately comes to mind) it seems they don't do a lot of contingency planning.

    100%.

    This is not routine and it only takes a couple of questions upfront to get an idea of risks (hell, anyone with half a bit of knowledge about stadiums or who has been watching sport their whole life can tell you that relaying of turf doesn’t always go to plan and 4 weeks is short) and then some more questions halfway through to see if it’s on schedule.

    If Spotless lied to the club then that’s another story

    But there are so many ways this could be planned for:

    In the contract discussion with Spotless and/or pre-season planning they could have determined compensation if the pitch wasn’t ready so that they could afford to move the game at late notice;

    They could have had preliminary conversations with alternative venues;

    They could have scheduled earlier inspections with an idea of what things should look like at certain stages. Considering some of the pitches that have been played on in the past, it would have been pretty clear they were struggling before Thursday.

    Imagine being a Wellington fan who paid for travel and accomodation!

    Just another example of incompetence and amateur hour in football.

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    I don't care how many statements they put out someone Stu&&Ed up big time. They would have planned the turf relay... I am not a green keeper but I'm sure the last thing you want on new grass is a concert. I would have thought they have the concert and then resurface not the other way around 

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    23 minutes ago, tardotz said:

    I don't care how many statements they put out someone Stu&&Ed up big time. They would have planned the turf relay... I am not a green keeper but I'm sure the last thing you want on new grass is a concert. I would have thought they have the concert and then resurface not the other way around 

    It also makes no sense to relay the turf when they'll be dropping a cricket pitch in the middle of it within the next month.

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    22 minutes ago, tardotz said:

    I don't care how many statements they put out someone Stu&&Ed up big time. They would have planned the turf relay... I am not a green keeper but I'm sure the last thing you want on new grass is a concert. I would have thought they have the concert and then resurface not the other way around 

    The pitch relay was for Big Bash season. The concert is just a chance for them to make more cash and they won’t turn it down becomes of pitch relay.

    We are the easiest ones to kick in the teeth.

    Whoever takes over from SLowy and Gallop needs to have decent stadium deals as part of their agenda. Not saying we are going to be top tenant at all venues but if we aren’t (eg Suncorp) then work with the club to get a decent deal (eg relax your desire to have games at stupid big venues).

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    Is there such a thing as a decent stadium deal in Australia when this monopoly exists? Majority of teams pay a fortune to play at their 'home' grounds and still aren't given priority, across all codes.

    Until we see private/sports specific venues then issues like this will keep happening.

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    1 hour ago, hughsey said:

    Is there such a thing as a decent stadium deal in Australia when this monopoly exists? Majority of teams pay a fortune to play at their 'home' grounds and still aren't given priority, across all codes.

    Until we see private/sports specific venues then issues like this will keep happening.

    Totally. Our stadium policy is farked. Even 3rd tier teams in the UK own their own stadium and pitch. MLS doing the same. Rugby League and cricket teams even own their own. For some reason in Oz its seen as the communities responsibility 

    I think the AFL own docklands. Maybe the best we can hope for is a sporting body owning their own stadia 

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    15 minutes ago, beatsurrender said:

    Totally. Our stadium policy is farked. Even 3rd tier teams in the UK own their own stadium and pitch. MLS doing the same. Rugby League and cricket teams even own their own. For some reason in Oz its seen as the communities responsibility 

    I think the AFL own docklands. Maybe the best we can hope for is a sporting body owning their own stadia 

    My small home town team in the UK that play at the 10th or 11th tier own their own ground lol Admittedly it is a football pitch with a basic wooden shed down one side and some railway sleeper terraces down the other side......but all belongs to them..so even non league level is in front of here. 

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    Most of the teams in the A-League could own their own stadium if their owners wanted them to. The average attendance for Adelaide & Newcastle are just over 10k, while City, Perth, Mariners, Wellington are between 8k & 10k. They can still retain the ability to take big matches, finals games etc to the larger stadiums in their city.

    Stadiums of a size appropriate to such attendances would be around the 15,000 mark for Adelaide & Newcastle and around 12,000 for the others. Looking at Europe, there are many countries where the biggest clubs have stadiums around that size. Bate Borisov in Belarus are a regular European side who have won the league 11 times in a row. Their stadium has a capacity just over 13,000. Molde FK in Norway have a good record in the past decade, and played Champions League & Europa League, their stadiums only seats 11,800.

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    4 hours ago, WSWJACK said:

    I might be naïve here, can some one explain to me why they couldn't just switch the game over to ANZ stadium?

    if there is a cost involved,  cant some money come from Spotless or their insurance for not supplying what was ordered?

    I'm a simple man, simple answers please.

     

    A friend of mine hired ANZ for a public event about 12 years ago and the cost was $125k.

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    3 minutes ago, Flytox said:

    A friend of mine hired ANZ for a public event about 12 years ago and the cost was $125k.

    I thought anz stadium gives money to clubs for hosting games there? 

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    1 minute ago, wanderersfanatic said:

    I thought anz stadium gives money to clubs for hosting games there? 

    I doubt his friend is an NRL club.

    In any case I believe that monetary bonus has ended.

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    Okay people. We may need to back off a little. I will be retracting part of my statements above. 

    I work in SOP and have just driven over to Spotless after I finished work today. 

    Everything was locked up so I couldn’t get close enough to get any decent photos but after I climbed up on a fence, I was able to see most of the pitch. There are huge brown patches all over it. It’s especially bad at the far end of the pitch and right in front of the RBB. 

    It wouldn’t be playable at all. 

    There is also no sign of any construction whatsoever. Nothing in the stadium at all. No trucks or anything around. Although I was pretty sure SOP wasn’t that stupid to allow an early bump-in now after they came out with that statement. 

    Maybe there’s no conspiracy but someone definitely ****ed up and the fact that the pitch isn’t ready is just not good enough. There should have been contingencies in place. Also, I’m sure we can all imagine what it is going to look like after a huge festival. I’ll be surprised if we can play on Dec. 2. 

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    4 hours ago, WSWJACK said:

    I might be naïve here, can some one explain to me why they couldn't just switch the game over to ANZ stadium?

    if there is a cost involved,  cant some money come from Spotless or their insurance for not supplying what was ordered?

    I'm a simple man, simple answers please.

     

    I don’t know either, but not going to let that stop me taking a guess.

    My guess is it would be logistically to hard to move the game 2 days prior. Stuff like organising people for security, catering, cleaning, tickets, safety.. etc would take too long. I’m assuming that it isn’t the same companies and people that operate both stadiums.

    However they could have started this process a couple of weeks ago and they would have stood a chance 

    ..

    Parra stadium can’t come soon enough

     

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    We should never have gone to SOP in the first place.

    Having said that, it is what it is and any complaints from us will be politely listened to but eventually dismissed. I am just peeved that no other plan was in place. Members should of been told that there may have been a problem, if things went wrong we will play at this venue instead. Nothing. Very amateurish and not professional. 

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    15 minutes ago, CaptainJess said:

    Okay people. We may need to back off a little. I will be retracting part of my statements above. 

    I work in SOP and have just driven over to Spotless after I finished work today. 

    Everything was locked up so I couldn’t get close enough to get any decent photos but after I climbed up on a fence, I was able to see most of the pitch. There are huge brown patches all over it. It’s especially bad at the far end of the pitch and right in front of the RBB. 

    It wouldn’t be playable at all. 

    There is also no sign of any construction whatsoever. Nothing in the stadium at all. No trucks or anything around. Although I was pretty sure SOP wasn’t that stupid to allow an early bump-in now after they came out with that statement. 

    Maybe there’s no conspiracy but someone definitely ****ed up and the fact that the pitch isn’t ready is just not good enough. There should have been contingencies in place. Also, I’m sure we can all imagine what it is going to look like after a huge festival. I’ll be surprised if we can play on Dec. 2. 

    After they got accused of lying to accommodate the concert they were forced to wait until Sunday. If the pitch is as bad as you say then I actually wouldn't have cared if they started the bump in early as the reason the game was postponed is clearly the pitch, concert or not.

    In saying that, if it's as bad as you describe then surely they knew before yesterday that there was no chance of the game going ahead. I'm no landscape expert but I suspect the ground doesn't go for dirt patch to lush overnight. They would have known a while ago that they were in trouble.

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    How long will it take to get the ground back to a playable state? what are the chances of the ground even being half decant for the Roar game? Are we fogoing bc with the trust model (because they will totally do in 2 weeks what they couldn't do in 4 without a dance festival right?) or will we have a backup plan? 

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    9 minutes ago, Davo said:

    After they got accused of lying to accommodate the concert they were forced to wait until Sunday. If the pitch is as bad as you say then I actually wouldn't have cared if they started the bump in early as the reason the game was postponed is clearly the pitch, concert or not.

    In saying that, if it's as bad as you describe then surely they knew before yesterday that there was no chance of the game going ahead. I'm no landscape expert but I suspect the ground doesn't go for dirt patch to lush overnight. They would have known a while ago that they were in trouble.

    That’s what I’m thinking. They would have known if they let people bump-in today or tomorrow there would be an uproar.

    The pitch is pretty bad. The middle of it didn’t seem terrible but the ends were in a crap state. 

    They would have known earlier than yesterday that they were in trouble based off what I saw. 

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