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    The Western Sydney Wanderers hosted Melbourne City in a Tuesday night fixture at the Western Sydney Stadium and was another dismal loss, a 2-0 result for City spearheaded by a brace for Jamie Maclaren.

    There was some late drama with Florin Berenguer suffering an ankle injury and having to be replaced in the lineup by Naoki Tsubaki and their coach Patrick Kisnorbo suffering from illness and not being able to make his way to Parramatta.

    After copping a first minute goal against Adelaide United the defence would have been looking to stay switched on from kick-off, but Keanu Baccus had other ideas. 5 minutes in with the ball deep in his own half his attempt at playing out from the back went wrong as he found a City player and it was instantly played in to Jamie Maclaren, the Wanderers nemesis fired across Daniel Margush and opened the scoring.

    Somehow Nabbout didn't extend the lead in the 30th minute, he was released down the right wing and turned Mark Natta completely inside out before crashing his shot against the far post. Earlier in the game he also made a hash of a free header on the 6 yard box, and also had another chance that he put well wide.

    The Wanderers were utterly dominated for a 10 minute period, they finally broke free in the 33rd, with Simon Cox finding James Troisi making a forward run, he cut back inside but his shot was disappointing and well off target. 5 minutes before half-time Keanu Baccus went into the referees notebook for diving to try and win a penalty against Curtis Good, and City went down the other end and Maclaren found enough space for a shot that went over the bar.

    Baccus paid for his terrible display by being hooked at half-time for Jordan Mutch. James Troisi continued his horrible game by giving away a penalty in the 53rd minute. He lifted his hands while attempting to block a cross, and despite some dubious camera angles the VAR stepped, the referee called the penalty and Maclaren slotted it into the top of the goal. All complaints about VAR aside, it's been years since the new handball laws were introduced, professional football players have no-one to blame but themselves if they lift their hands in the air trying to block crosses.

    Bruce Kamau and Bernie Ibini were introduced in the 65th minute in place of Troisi and Cox. After the subs the team finally sprang into a form of life, keeping possession for enough time to build pressure. Jordan Mutch shot a curling strike at goal that slid just past the top corner. The home side played out from the back and managed to win a corner, after playing through the high press, Ibini & Duke winning a corner. From a scramble the ball fell to Kamau at the back post and he was denied by a point-blank save that Tom Glover likely knew little about. 73rd minute Aquilina should have hit the target, Dorrans managed to chip the ball back across goal, it floated for Aquilina but the fullback couldn't keep his header down.

    The fans had been calling for Robinson to switch the formation to a four at the back with a more traditional midfield, and he finally responded 10 minutes before full time. Ziggy Gordon and Duke were replaced by Kwame Yeboah and Nicolai Muller. City had the next chance however, another disgraceful defense from a corner by the Wanderers, letting Good get a free header on the 6 yard box and he should have scored.

    Muller and Dorrans bombarded the City goal, Muller couldn't take advantage of Glover being out of his goal, Muller's shot was blocked by a defender and the rebound fell to Dorrans and he blasted a long range drive that also found the body of a City defender. Maclaren thought he'd secured all three points with a hat-trick in the final seconds, but he had strayed offside prior to receiving the pass. In the end it didn't really matter, as the visitor's closed out the game comfortably, taking all three points to move within striking distance of the top 6. For the Wanderers it was same old same old, not matching their opponents in the first half, going behind, and only raising the intensity when behind and after multiple subs had been made. Despite being in the top 4, the loss has setup the Wanderers for a potential drop outside the top 6 should results not go their way, and that happening will heap further pressure on Carl Robinson to make some changes to arrest the slide.

    The Wanderers next game is against Western United on Sunday March 7, with kick-off in Ballarat at 6:10PM.


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    Couldn't get to the game last night (sounds like I was lucky??!!).  A mate I go to games with was there.  He's an older bloke from UK and only been here a few years, so is used to EPL, Championship...  He enjoys coming to live football but is often frustrated by the A League quality and what seems to be school boy errors.

    His report to me this morning was that he saw the best 45 minutes of football in the A League since he's been here - unfortunately it was from the opposition.  He couldn't believe the quality of City last night in the first half - and we didn't have any answers.  I don't think he believes that many teams would have answers.  I don't know, I didn't see it but perhaps we (sadly) may have to credit the quality of City as well. 

    It certainly does feel like we don't have enough depth/strength/numbers in midfield (which seems seriously bizarre given how many midfielders we've signed) - we always seem outnumbered. Our back 3 defend reasonably narrowly but we don't seem to be able cover fast wingers and overlapping fullbacks out wide. So probably a wide-ranging systemic issue and 3 at the back seems to be a difficult system to play well and gain any advantage it offers.  Ange couldn't get the Socceroos working it very well but was getting there when he left.  I don't know.

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    Just rewatched the first goal. Ziggy has to take some of the blame on that one. There are no less than 3 city defenders on top of Baccus before he even has the ball. Baccus doesn't even look at where his passing just reacts and City block all his options before he even had the ball. Ziggy should have gone long and get us to reset the play.

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    2 hours ago, Potkorok said:

    I reckon at Newy there was also little or no choice in the run-on team each week - they were bare-bones and had to make the best of it so I assume he always started a similar team, with allowances for injury/suspension. I reckon now there's just too much choice   ( I mean on paper that bench last night was surely the strongest we've ever fielded? Bit light on defenders though I guess) and the expectation is that the experienced players will simply slot in. As mentioned more than once by others on this thread, there's a lot to be said for consistency and playing with the same guys week in week out and a team of average players playing for each other is likely to beat a classier team of individuals.  

    Robbo is definitely a creature of habit which I think is evidenced by the fact he has this affiliation with the player agency and takes the same blokes everywhere with him. It’s also evident in his tactical approach to a game which appears to lack any sort of responsiveness or adaptability during a game. Even listening to him speak, he’s very geared towards the same sentiments all the time and it gets a bit robotic after a while.

    The fact he’s chopping and changing the starting line up so aggressively almost feels like he’s trying some sort of internal self improvement experiment to push himself to be more sporadic but it’s failing miserably. These 3 man subs he likes to make give me the same vibe also - some of the players he brings off at particular moments give me the impression that he’s doing it for the sake of saying he made a change rather than offering a tactical edge. 

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    59 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

    Just rewatched the first goal. Ziggy has to take some of the blame on that one. There are no less than 3 city defenders on top of Baccus before he even has the ball. Baccus doesn't even look at where his passing just reacts and City block all his options before he even had the ball. Ziggy should have gone long and get us to reset the play.

    Nah. He played forward to Baccus twice who went back to him each time, then the third time Baccus has a man on him but instead of going backward again, he played a telegraphed, extremely risky sideways pass, did it so slowly that it let the City defender who might have tried to close down Ziggy stop and put out a leg to stop the pass. About the most you can blame him for is not going long the 2nd time Baccus played it back to him, I imagine that Robinson has given them all instructions to try and play out.

    I'd also give some blame to McGowan for being badly positioned defensively, he was never going to receive a pass there so he needed to be covering Maclaren. Gordon was in a right fullback position, so the central defenders needed to slide over to act like a regulation two man central defensive pairing. Instead they left a gaping hole in the right central defensive area.

    We had 6  players in the area of the passing plus the goalkeeper and we turned it over against 5 pressing players and compounded it by poor positioning from those without the ball.

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    1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

    Hard to put blame on JT and Owners they have backed CR this year with signings 

    Things I don’t understand 

    - we continue to Piss about with the ball out the back 

    - we play 3 5 2 yet sign no wingbacks for play it, relying on 3 kids who are going to be great but still learning. We played it last year and it didn’t work but we keep doing it 

    - we don’t press effectively as a team

    - we have signed a bunch of good players but a lot in the same positions

    - not starting Mueller

    - the popularity of Coldplay 

     

    Only Wendy has the ability to answer your final question...

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    9 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

    The referee isn’t why we lost 

    It is his team selection and second half players replacement.

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    10 hours ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

    His report to me this morning was that he saw the best 45 minutes of football in the A League since he's been here - unfortunately it was from the opposition.  He couldn't believe the quality of City last night in the first half - and we didn't have any answers.  I don't think he believes that many teams would have answers.  I don't know, I didn't see it but perhaps we (sadly) may have to credit the quality of City as well. .

    I don't think there 's any doubt that they are a skilful team which can play with flair. They're good to watch IMO.

    I forget what I actually said a few days ago, about our team being likely to struggle with being cohesive, and lacking firepower up front, but I said it after watching a few if their games.

    Credit where credit's due...Kisorrbo has them playing well.:hi:

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    8 hours ago, mintoff said:

    It is his team selection and second half players replacement.

    I wonder if the issue is we have some great impact players. Kamau started a few games back but didn't show the same presence as coming on later. Same with Ibini.

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    45 minutes ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

    I wonder if the issue is we have some great impact players. Kamau started a few games back but didn't show the same presence as coming on later. Same with Ibini.

    I'd add Yeboah to that list; whilst there are many on social media who bemoan that Robbo doesn't know his best starting line-up, the players themselves don't make it easy for him. I'd also contend that if you asked 100 'Social Media experts' what their best starting line-up and formation was you'd get 90 different answers !! 

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    1 hour ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

    I wonder if the issue is we have some great impact players. Kamau started a few games back but didn't show the same presence as coming on later. Same with Ibini.

    Robbo said in his post match press conference that some players still aren't match fit.

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    3 minutes ago, WHACKO said:

    Robbo said in his post match press conference that some players still aren't match fit.

    Mutch and Duke I can agree with not being ready....the others have had plenty of time.

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    9 minutes ago, WHACKO said:

    Robbo said in his post match press conference that some players still aren't match fit.

    What have they been doing then? Besides we have conceded goals inside of 5 mins in the last 2 games, I’m not sure that’s fitness 

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    23 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    What have they been doing then? Besides we have conceded goals inside of 5 mins in the last 2 games, I’m not sure that’s fitness 

    It's not.....it's stupidity.

    :ninja:

     

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    Robbie was not making excuses with players still coming up to speed statements he was asked a question and he answered it.

    he also did not blame the penalty for the loss again he was asked a question and his answer was what he believed.

    Robbo made no excuses for the last 2 games , he identified our problems without throwing the team under the bus and only Mentioned Baccus in passing. 
     

    time will tell if Robbie and Miller are the answer to our coaching woes and if we don’t make the six he should still be allowed to then make his full selection of players for the following season.

    We all must remember the mess that was last season (please don’t blame Popa).

    3 coaches or was it 4 in 2 seasons .bugga me let’s get some stability and trust Robbo to develop a team to win the comp next season which by the was his statement at the time WSW employed him.

    lets support him and the players let’s get behind them at home games with RBB etc 

    who do we sing for 😉

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    The past couple of seasons I thought our fitness was an issue but this season I don’t think endurance has been the problem at all - it’s one of the few things that I have noticed a positive improvement with.

    If Robinson is talking about anyone other then Duke or Mutch then he is taking the piss. When you have the worlds longest off season, fitness issues should not even exist.

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    Our back 3 has been exploited since rd1. Even in the early rounds opposition was getting behind our WB and putting crosses in unopposed. We were just lucky they couldn't get onto the end of them or were poor finishers. This is not a new development.

    Better teams will just finish their chances.

    Ibini still being unfit is ridiculous. Season started 9 weeks ago AND you had some preseason. This is just extremely poor imo.

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    51 minutes ago, Erebus said:

    Our back 3 has been exploited since rd1. Even in the early rounds opposition was getting behind our WB and putting crosses in unopposed. We were just lucky they couldn't get onto the end of them or were poor finishers. This is not a new development.

    Better teams will just finish their chances.

    Ibini still being unfit is ridiculous. Season started 9 weeks ago AND you had some preseason. This is just extremely poor imo.

    Warning: Brenton Speed observation 

    7 goals since McGowan returned. Add 1 for the opening round makes 8.

    I had a look at the Table for Goals Against. Total 13. 

    Total GA without D McGowan, 5.

     

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    The team is better than last season because at least were getting forward and making some meaningful attacks. We are also better organised defensively instead of being camped in the 18 yard box unable to get out like last season, however we also saw the fact that there was no main striker like a Reira or Juric as a weakness to the team.

    The fact that we are over reliant on our attacks on the 2 young wing backs is a bit of an issue because we don't create much through the middle more evidence in this City game that we struggle unless we get the ball out wide quickly. Because they stay high and wide for our attacks we are not adequately blocking the space at the back. 

    Its fixable if the wide wide boys drop a little deeper but the attacking third is the biggest puzzle Robinson needs to crack so that we are firing from the first minute and not at the 60th when we make the subs. Fix the front third and I think the rest will follow.

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    45 minutes ago, WHACKO said:

    Robinson called it a decent game. I disagree with that, it was arguably the squad's worst game. One thing I do agree with that Robinson said which was "some of the VAR calls are making him not enjoy football" which is sad since he has been in it for 20+ years. James Johnson and Chris Nikou...take notes.

    According to Mutch, Ibini and Muller aren't fully fit. I guess they'll be playing off the bench next game or maybe against Phoenix

    Ziegler and Mourdoukoutas could be back next week. Personally, I think Ziegler is done for the season.

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    7 minutes ago, MathyouWSW said:

    Robinson called it a decent game. I disagree with that, it was arguably the squad's worst game. 

    It was by far our worst performance of the season, but I can understand why Robbo would want to talk things up. Babbel used to talk things down, which surely was detrimental to the squad mentality.

    If ever there was a manager that we should stick with for a period of time, despite results, it is Carl Robinson.

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    Just now, Wanderboy said:

    It was by far our worst performance of the season, but I can understand why Robbo would want to talk things up. Babbel used to talk things down, which surely was detrimental to the squad mentality.

    If ever there was a manager that we should stick with for a period of time, despite results, it is Carl Robinson.

    Agreed, you have to give him time with this squad, and next season.

    But if we did somehow manage to miss out on a finals place with this squad it would be an epic fail mind.

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    2 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Agreed, you have to give him time with this squad, and next season.

    But if we did somehow manage to miss out on a finals place with this squad it would be an epic fail mind.

    Yes, absolutely. But, I would still give him time.

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    6 hours ago, hughsey said:

    The past couple of seasons I thought our fitness was an issue but this season I don’t think endurance has been the problem at all - it’s one of the few things that I have noticed a positive improvement with.

    If Robinson is talking about anyone other then Duke or Mutch then he is taking the piss. When you have the worlds longest off season, fitness issues should not even exist.

    I think he was referring to players who have had niggles - eg Kamau isn't back to proper fitness after minor injury.  Troisi and Muller, likewise.  He has Tass and Zeigler recovering.  Bernie is getting there - he is obviously a complex character???!! A few of our players came in at the end of the off-season or into it.

    He is obviously juggling players into full fitness, either from injury recovery or late start.  He didn't use any of this as an excuse, simply a response to questions asked.  He has been generally pleased with the overall defending but the last 2-3 games some stupid decisions and switching off happened.  I wasn't at the City game but was told they were all over us in the first half but only scored the one goal from a stupid error (that's all it takes).  Sounds like reasonable defending to me.  The second half, I understand we came back into it and there was a penalty that has questions around it.  CR said that the defensive errors are not acceptable - and it is the whole team - but a top team could only score off a schoolboy error.  At the other end he said we need to put the ball away - you can only do so much from the sideline.  They know what they have to do, do it much of the time, strategy gets them into position to shoot...

    I thought his presser was clear and good.  No excuses, answered questions and was honest.

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    11 minutes ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

    I think he was referring to players who have had niggles - eg Kamau isn't back to proper fitness after minor injury.  Troisi and Muller, likewise.  He has Tass and Zeigler recovering.  Bernie is getting there - he is obviously a complex character???!! A few of our players came in at the end of the off-season or into it.

    He is obviously juggling players into full fitness, either from injury recovery or late start.  He didn't use any of this as an excuse, simply a response to questions asked.  He has been generally pleased with the overall defending but the last 2-3 games some stupid decisions and switching off happened.  I wasn't at the City game but was told they were all over us in the first half but only scored the one goal from a stupid error (that's all it takes).  Sounds like reasonable defending to me.  The second half, I understand we came back into it and there was a penalty that has questions around it.  CR said that the defensive errors are not acceptable - and it is the whole team - but a top team could only score off a schoolboy error.  At the other end he said we need to put the ball away - you can only do so much from the sideline.  They know what they have to do, do it much of the time, strategy gets them into position to shoot...

    I thought his presser was clear and good.  No excuses, answered questions and was honest.

    Mate, should have been 4 - 0 half time. City wasted chance after chance, the defending was poor.

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