Football To Be Behind Closed Doors From Monday

Since we already have an ELeague, my suggestion would be competitive Words with Friends

A player from each squad is randomly selected to represent the team

23 minutes ago, sonar said:

They could decide the rest of the HAL by a giant coin toss off. Away team gets to call H or T and whoever wins gets 3 points. Make semis best of 5....GFBest of7......

Even then ESFC would dispute the coin toss and call VAR... which would over rule the result and award to them.

50 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

You really think so? Everyone in their right mind knows they are the champs.

I need Stringers opinion on this 

NRL pushing on regardle$$.

So i guess AFL and HAL will al$o

2 hours ago, Smoggy said:

Also i am not doubting  Dan Suan's knowledge but they have taken a chart from the FT and stuck their own circle on it...there is no line for Australia in that chart when intially published?....its a little misleading.

 

The chart was published without Australia on it so Dan Suan added Australia to it to compare progress to the other countries on it.  The chart starts at 100 cases and the point plotted was 3 days after we reached that mark.  You can keep on plotting our number of cases on it to see where our trend is heading compared to the other countries at the same time after they reached 100 cases.  At the 4 day mark our new red dot would be at the top of the letter A in Australia.  It is quite a normal process to check the effectiveness of different responses or to help in analysing the progress of the pandemic.  With 248 cases at the 4 day mark our trend seems to be heading  on a flatter trajectory than the other countries plotted.  Hopefully that will continue because the whole exercise at the moment is to delay the spread of the virus, to flatten the curve, so our hospital system isn't overwhelmed.

23 hours ago, btron3000 said:

Get this - she can’t get tested till Monday! Whole country in a state of emergency and doctors still on the golf course on Saturdays.

Work from home till Wednesday at least. If only there was still some overseas sport on during the day...!

That’s incredibly harsh, the reason she can’t get testing is because labs are closed over the weekend & the only places available are the hospitals that have fever clinics. For example,  St Vincent’s have just over the last few days had the ability to test in house & opened up there own clinic.

It’s the lab technicians that do the testing & turn around is 4 days which is very good.

15 hours ago, Davo said:

On all these comparisons with the regular flu, this is much worse.

The transmission rate, called R0, is the number of people that an average infected person will go on to subsequently infect. The flu has an R0 of 1.3, while coronavirus is between 2 and 3, so roughly twice the transmission rate.

The death rate is all over the place as it depends on how good the testing is. South Korea and Singapore have done massive amounts of testing and have good data on this, with an estimated death rate of about 0.8-1%. The regular flu is 0.1% so coronavirus is nearly ten times more deadly.

Lastly there’s the fact that this is a completely different strain to the flu and people have no natural resistance or immunity. It’s not an either or with the flu, this is on top of the flu and adds to the load on the healthcare system.

Instead of saying “this kills less people than the flu” we should be concerned that people don’t take the flu seriously enough and this is worse.

Two factors that you haven’t mentioned are health system & older population. The reason for so many deaths in Italy is they don’t have the hospital system we do, it’s old & hasn’t been able to cope with the sharp rise in infections. The other factor is that Italy has a large percentage of the population over 65, these are one of the groups that are most vulnerable.

To those people dismissing that it’s just another panic, it’s easy to come to that conclusion when there has been many situations in the past that never really got that bad, SARS or MERS etc. 

4 hours ago, Smoggy said:

Also i am not doubting  Dan Suan's knowledge but they have taken a chart from the FT and stuck their own circle on it...there is no line for Australia in that chart when intially published?....its a little misleading.

I think we have been really good with our testing & don’t need to be worried that our numbers aren’t truly reflective of the proper numbers & there is absolutely no reason not to trust official numbers.

Unlike America where testing has been limited to a health system which is restricted & have done approx 10k tests for a population of 350m. This is changing for the better so I guess we will get a good indication of how bad America will be over the next week or so

In Australia we’ve done roughly 10k tests with a population of 20m. The testing initially was for those that have travelled, then expanded to exposure to known cases to now, exposure to suspected cases. We didn’t have the capacity to test large numbers but this is increasing with fever clinics & expanding testing capacity.

NSW is pretty much the only state where sustained community transmission has occurred & we really need to be careful. The issue is that there are plenty of people who have cold/flu symptoms turning up to be tested & wait times to be seen at the public hospital fever clinics are large. This doesn’t mean that these people have covid19 & you have to remember we aren’t at a stage where there is widespread community transmission. You can phone ahead to your GP, to get a referral to get tested at a private facility but not everyone with cold symptoms will be able to be tested until there is a further increase in testing.

1 hour ago, Smoggy said:

NRL pushing on regardle$$.

So i guess AFL and HAL will al$o

It’s interesting that the NRL has said that they will lose lots of money & the game will struggle to stay afloat if games are stopped. They even floating an idea to get Government money to keep going.

On 14/03/2020 at 7:53 AM, Smoggy said:

Australia's policy is stick head in sand and hope it goes away....and make sure to **** it doesnt affect house prices..

I think the numbers of sick across Sydney is MUCH higher than people think...i wont go too much in to why i think that here.....just from what i have personally seen and heard....

We aren’t at a stage where it’s necessary for an all out panic but you only need to look to Italy a couple of weeks ago to see if you don’t take this seriously that it can get bad quick.

The key will be trying to flatten the curve. It’s about slowing the transmission rate to allow our hospitals & especially our ICU’s to be able to handle the very sick patients. The quicker the transmission, the less we will be able to cope with the rising number of seriously sick patients.

To be honest, I think Australia made some decisions early before things got bad very early on that has held us in good stead at this current moment. I think more tough decisions should be made early on, now, instead of waiting for things to get worse. Making anyone who travelled overseas self quarantine for 14 days like NZ is a clever move, so is anything that can be done to reduce large gatherings & everyone practice “social distancing”. I don’t think it’s head in the sand stuff because it’s impossible to shut down everything for a few months to wait it out. 

Modeling is predicting that 1/4 of the population is likely to be affected but how many of those will require hospitalization? We don’t have large capacity at our hospitals so difficult decisions will need to be made. Hopefully the predicted peak in May-August will be slowed enough to give as many people the best chance. All those that have friends or family with medical conditions & elderly please be careful

5 hours ago, btron3000 said:

I’d say suspension is inevitable.

As soon as one player gets it their whole team will have to go into self isolation. As will any team they have played against. Once that happens the league is as good as done for a at least a few weeks. Not to mention trying to  accomodate the NZ teams.

Spot on

I have to disagree with you @Smoggy once players are getting positive results, players then need to be isolated & games can’t be played.

This exact situation has happened in Italy, Spain & England. In these countries it was spreading in the community but sports teams were unaffected so made sense to play games behind closed doors. As soon as these players started testing positive there was nothing further to do than suspend the competition.

I suspect, that just as we are a few weeks behind Europe in terms of transmission that it won’t be long before the exact same situation happens in Australia.

20 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

That’s incredibly harsh, the reason she can’t get testing is because labs are closed over the weekend & the only places available are the hospitals that have fever clinics. For example,  St Vincent’s have just over the last few days had the ability to test in house & opened up there own clinic.

It’s the lab technicians that do the testing & turn around is 4 days which is very good.

That golf bit was a joke, I know people in health are doing all they can!

20 minutes ago, Prydzopolis said:

I think we have been really good with our testing & don’t need to be worried that our numbers aren’t truly reflective of the proper numbers & there is absolutely no reason not to trust official numbers.

Unlike America where testing has been limited to a health system which is restricted & have done approx 10k tests for a population of 350m. This is changing for the better so I guess we will get a good indication of how bad America will be over the next week or so

In Australia we’ve done roughly 10k tests with a population of 20m. The testing initially was for those that have travelled, then expanded to exposure to known cases to now, exposure to suspected cases. We didn’t have the capacity to test large numbers but this is increasing with fever clinics & expanding testing capacity.

NSW is pretty much the only state where sustained community transmission has occurred & we really need to be careful. The issue is that there are plenty of people who have cold/flu symptoms turning up to be tested & wait times to be seen at the public hospital fever clinics are large. This doesn’t mean that these people have covid19 & you have to remember we aren’t at a stage where there is widespread community transmission. You can phone ahead to your GP, to get a referral to get tested at a private facility but not everyone with cold symptoms will be able to be tested until there is a further increase in testing.

 

As of 11am yesterday NSW health is saying that over 20,000 people have been tested (not sure if that is NSW or Aus), with over 18,000 not having the virus, 1668 still to be confirmed and 112 confirmed cases.

Two further points:

- Incredible going to shops, public transport or small community type events & seeing people sick in the community whether it be sneezing, coughing or runny nose & still soldiering on. Right now people need to show a bit of common sense, even if it’s just the common cold, be sensible & stay at home.

- If you’ve travelled overseas recently show a bit of common sense, at the very least practice some social distancing & if possible self isolate for 2 weeks. The majority of cases in Australia have come from those that have travelled from overseas.

2 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

As of 11am yesterday NSW health is saying that over 20,000 people have been tested (not sure if that is NSW or Aus), with over 18,000 not having the virus, 1668 still to be confirmed and 112 confirmed cases.

Thank you, typo

We are have done well up to now but no time to be complacent

1 hour ago, Prydzopolis said:

Spot on

I have to disagree with you @Smoggy once players are getting positive results, players then need to be isolated & games can’t be played.

This exact situation has happened in Italy, Spain & England. In these countries it was spreading in the community but sports teams were unaffected so made sense to play games behind closed doors. As soon as these players started testing positive there was nothing further to do than suspend the competition.

I suspect, that just as we are a few weeks behind Europe in terms of transmission that it won’t be long before the exact same situation happens in Australia.

Don't disagree. I think there should be tougher measures now...my comments were that I don't trust the government to get this right.

Yes, lots of dumb people in the community coughing and sneezing

Not surprised since we are also still fighting for toilet paper 

6 hours ago, Smoggy said:

Football league management meeting in England tomorrow to discuss future of the comps and various scenarios ..nervous times for Liverpool fans. 

Just scrap the season...

Boro dont go down and Leeds dont go up...everyones happy! 

Seconded 

great idea 

4 hours ago, Smoggy said:

I need Stringers opinion on this 

Do you? Do you really?

I think you might be able to guess 

1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

Do you? Do you really?

I think you might be able to guess 

Congrats...you avoided the word Kopite in your post 

1 minute ago, Smoggy said:

Congrats...you avoided the word Kopite in your post 

I’m must be mellowing

5 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

Don't disagree. I think there should be tougher measures now...my comments were that I don't trust the government to get this right.

I agree that the delay in implementing the large gathering ban seems based on alternative motivations rather than health (the CMO did say that two days weren’t going to matter but...). Added this to the government’s record or scandals in their short term in government doesn’t breed any confidence. 

The governments decision are based on some of the best in the medical field. It is heartening to know that the medical advice they’ve received thus far has been spot on & they have thus far followed all of that advice. Just be glad that our politicians aren’t the ones who are determining our response to covid19 & it’s best medical people instead

16 hours ago, wendybr said:

Thanks for posting!

Very interesting to see it in that clear format.

The steep US curve is know as the Scotty goes to his happy clappy convention and his bogan football, the flatter Japanese one, is that we avoid social contact 

which one are we in remains to be seen

of course if we do self isolate and the cases stay relatively low then the nobheads posting on friendface will say it’s an over reaction (not that it worked) 

11 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

of course if we do self isolate and the cases stay relatively low then the nobheads posting on friendface will say it’s an over reaction (not that it worked) 

It’s funny, something similar was said about the Y2K bug. Something came out earlier this year about the Y2K bug & how it was a big over reaction. Was pleading to see a number of articles that came out debunking that myth soon after!

Australia is imposing the same/similar  14 day isolation restrictions as NZ effective from ..?. Surely that will lead to postponing the a league.

If the Nix aren't in Sydney by midnight they would have to wait 14 days before they could go anywhere.

I said in Friday the league should have been immediately cancelled. If it keeps going all that's going to happen is the players and club staff are going to get it.

Same for Victory 14 days self isolation.

this league can’t continue by the looks of it

1 hour ago, Edinburgh said:

Australia is imposing the same/similar  14 day isolation restrictions as NZ effective from ..?. Surely that will lead to postponing the a league.

There is an article from the terrorgraph about options (can’t get behind paywall)

Talk about playing all games from a central venue? Talk about moving Wellington to Australia till the end of the season.

There is a government directive to ban all gatherings with more than 500 people starting tomorrow, and yet sport overrides the government and carries on with fixtures and open stadiums.

I want the sport to go on as long as possible if safe enough and the right thing to do....but some strange decisions going on...

The NRL have a bit of a hide asking the govt for money when the majority have the backing of a licenced club behind them. 

This is an interesting but limited model of how these viruses spread and how to flatten the curve,

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/

Melb Victory stranded in NZ after being told by DFAT they were fine to go and come back before isolation deadline.

Vics season was over anyway but sure is now...farce...

Full story on smh..

22 minutes ago, sonar said:

The NRL have a bit of a hide asking the govt for money when the majority have the backing of a licenced club behind them. 

But but..."Australia without Rugby League is not Australia at all!"

You should know that, Sonar!!

5 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

Vics season was over any way but sure is now...farce...

With the Nux not realistically being able to travel between the countries either, the league will have to be at a minimum postponed for a few weeks. Surely?

Just now, Carns said:

With the Nux not realistically being able to travel between the countries either, the league will have to be at a minimum postponed for a few weeks. Surely?

Yep...MV wont be able to train / gather for 2 weeks, and Nix farked..basically 2 teams down now.

15 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

Yep...MV wont be able to train / gather for 2 weeks, and Nix farked..basically 2 teams down now.

Unless they drove to Wellington Airport straight after their games and got on a planes that arrive in Sydney (Nix) and Melbourne respectively.

I hope the Nix made it so they can beat the Smurfs on Wednesday night. They can help Wendy's fav Brattan get his eighth piece of cheese.