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    Football Federation Australia have charged the Western Sydney Wanderers & Melbourne Victory with 'Bringing the game into disrepute' as a result of events from their match in Melbourne late last year.

     

    The event, a brawl that erupted when Melbourne Victory fans attacked the hotel the Wanderers supporters were having their pre-game function at, was recorded and subsequently made way onto Youtube and then into the mainstream media.

     

    In the aftermath of the incident both clubs released statements, Melbourne Victory ignoring the role their supporters played to instigate the brawl, and the Wanderers reminding the Victory of their supporters role in sparking the incident. The events prior to the match and the subsequent 'Press Release Battle' created a situation where the FFA decided to charge both clubs with bringing the game into disrepute.

     

    The penalty will be a suspended loss of three Premiership points. A-League boss Damien De Bohun refused to outline exactly what would cause that punishment to be activated during a press conference at 11 today.

     

    Both clubs have a deadline of 5pm on Tuesday the 7th to respond to the charge.

     

    Opinion

    This is a disgraceful decision from the FFA & de Bohun. Ill thought out, this 'punishment' starts the FFA down a long road to totalitarian jurisdiction of anyone who might happen to be involved with an A-League club, punishing that club and it's supporters for events taking place away from the club or the stadium on a match-day. This comes just months after the very question of where the FFA's jurisdiction starts and stops was mishandled & ultimately ignored when de Bohun was directly asked to explain his s& the FFA's stance on this issue during the FFA/WSW supporter meeting held at Parramatta toward the end of last year.

     

    Firstly I'll point out the brilliant work of Hatamoto, the FFA's expensive anti-terrorism agency who are drafted in to ensure (according to the Hatamoto website) that the FFA can "identify, evaluate, prioritise and treat risks and vulnerabilities through the application of appropriate standards and tools." For this incident however, it appears that Hatamoto's tools didn't include telling the police that the entire Wanderers away support was going to be at one single pub, and that the police should station some coppers there for the day.

     

    There is also the matter of inconsistency with the FFA's stance, compared to other incidents were people were seriously hurt or injured. De Bohun's may have talked tough but with little substance. Will the FFA subsequently release a list of what counts as 'bringing the game into disrepute' or simply wing it whenever they feel the media has put too much pressure on de Bohun's "image" as head of the A-League?

     

    On November 8 2013, a fight broke out after Sydney FC supporters attacked a group of Melbourne Victory supporters leaving the stadium. During this attack, a Sydney FC supporter stabbed a Victory fan. The fight spilled out onto South Downing & Cleveland Streets in the middle of Sydney City. Last season another fight broke out between Sydney FC supporters, Melbourne Victory supporters and the Police in Melbourne prior to a match between those teams. A well publicised king-hit by a Melbourne Heart fan last year was met with no such points threat. A Newcastle Jets supporter was charged with assaulting the police after the Wanderers match in Newcastle this season, are the Jets now under threat of losing points? If the Central Coast Mariners supporters have a repeat of their racist banner from last season at Bluetongue, are they going to get a points deduction threat? Where was the FFA response to these incidents? Will they also face the punishment of a potential loss of points now?

     

    Now that two teams have a threat over their heads, other supporters have an incentive to create incidents that could see their opposition lose points. There has been talk about going into opposition supporter bays to cause trouble. Getting another team docked points could be even more simple than that. Pick a dozen guys, have a handful wear the shirt of your opposition, then fake an attack on other supporters. Film it like it was Cloverfield or the Blair Witch Project then upload it on youtube and wait. De Bohun & co at the FFA will jump at the chance to show how tough they are and deduct the points from your opposition.

     

    The FFA have opened a massive can of worms with this decision, and I will wait with baited breath to see if they bother responding to any of the issues raised because of their poor decision, or if Damien de Bohun will once again obfuscate and sweep under the carpet the questions that should be answered if supporters in the A-League are going to regain any semblance of confidence in his ability to run the league.

     

    Admin: If you are viewing this on the forum, the post states it is by "West13." It is not by that user, it is by myself, Mack, due to a quirk in the forum software it is displaying West13 as the author when it is not.


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    This stuff gets more air time with the FFAs reaction, every single time.

     

     

    This is the crucial part. The FFA does not realise how badly they are shooting themselves in the foot here..... If they just shut up about it the media will have forgotten and moved on to some other minority to bash up upon within a week. By the FFA substantiating the exaggerations of the media, it'll only get more air time, and facilitate the beliefs of the public that we are a dangerous sport.

     

    FFA just doesn't have the cojones to stand up to the Police and say where was your duty of care to the general public?

    You are constantly at the home matches of certain clubs filming their every step yet when a team travels to an away venue and you are advised of where they are staying isn't it your duty of care to at least have some police there or even follow and film them like you usually do at home matches?

    I think if we are going to cop an earful from the FFA then the Police should also cop (no pun intended :ninja: ) an earful from the FFA for not preventing this incident from happening. 

    While im at it Hatamoto who seem to have all the knowledge of the world and are always amongst all active supporters didn't do their job, neither did the security at the stadium for not checking everyone properly. 

    Point the finger at someone and their will always be 3 fingers pointing back at you!

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    Perhaps the not dobbing in a pyromaniac farkhead policy of the RBB can now finally be abolished. It was only a matter of time and what better time for David Gallop to announce it a few weeks before a couple of high tension fixtures. These are suspended penalties, a warning so to speak. I for one will be very pissed off if the warning is not heeded. By the way these people saying it won't happen and there will be appeal processes which will take forever, you need your heads read. FFA is the governing body, they make the rules and don't want anymore damage to the game. There will be no appeals process for this very reason.

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    dumbest thing i have ever seen...

     

    whats to stop melb heart fan now going into the empty north terrace and ripping pyro?

     

    a can of worms was just opened that never had to be opened. the backlash is already intense, even journo's are giving FFA a spray

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    inb4 wellington are premiers

    I would be okay with this.

     

    But to Dock 3 points for an incident that incurred no arrests no complaints and 4 people were treated for minor injuries? If they had of had a couple of police officers to begin with like common sense would dictate the whole thing would have been avoided anyways.

     

    dumbest thing i have ever seen...

     

    whats to stop melb heart fan now going into the empty north terrace and ripping pyro?

     

    a can of worms was just opened that never had to be opened. the backlash is already intense, even journo's are giving FFA a spray

    Inb4 the Cove somehow ends up with the greatest pyro display in football history. Edited by Malone
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    WSW should not be held responsible for the fight as it was the Victory fans who came looking for it and started it.

    WSW fans are 100% responsible for flares and the bangers.

    If FFA impose a penalty for this, then they need to be consistent going forward and punish every future flare at every club.

    These are my thoughts exactly!

     

    If this happens - Melbourne Victory football club will go down in the history of Australian sports as the anti football club of Australia, the destroyers of active support and football in general. They can go **** themselves!

     

    We got to shake their stadium again in 2 weeks!

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    dumbest thing i have ever seen... whats to stop melb heart fan now going into the empty north terrace and ripping pyro? a can of worms was just opened that never had to be opened. the backlash is already intense, even journo's are giving FFA a spray

     

    as if a melbourne heart fan could ever make his way from his bay to ours and do something like punch a fan in the head.  

     

    oh.  wait.  nevermind. 

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    Lowy's pissed cause they won't meet his 15 million price tag  :P

     

    Like everyone not happy but A wise man once told me don't stress over things outside your control. 

    We can't do anything here. NO-ONE beats Lowy!

    I think this is exactly right! He doesn't wanna scare away any potential buyers. 

     

    Biggest bs though! I just watched an interview of nathan coe on foxsports and they were asking him if he feels un-safe, and his reply was pretty much no, he loves it and that he always feels safe!

     

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    And i also think that by giving this punishment has made a small situation into a big situation. Everyone forgot about it and now the media is gonna have a field day with this rubbish!

     

    #DeBoufOut

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    Whose up for buying some Sydney FC jerseys and recreating New Year's Eve in Bay 23?

    Just couldn't do it, no matter for what reason.... :smurfpoint:

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    This is very dangerous territory, as has been mentioned, especially from journos.

     

     

    not liking the photo sbs has photoshopped with 2 different photos linking our boys to the article. Completely out of context, just 2 active groups chanting!

    I agree, they should remove that photoshop, they even make it red circled to make it look worse.

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    Whose up for buying some Sydney FC jerseys and recreating New Year's Eve in Bay 23?

    Just couldn't do it, no matter for what reason.... :smurfpoint:

     

    An alternative, perhaps?

    smurf-costume-party-2.jpg

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    New crazy theory: De Bohun is being as absolutely unlikeable as possible in order to swing public opinion back into the support of fans....

     

     

     

    It's the only explanation I have left for that press conference. Even that female journo was like "you can really do this?"

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    Next is banning of swearing on the terrace, use of the word 'death' in Glorious and per match marches.Yes. Extreme.. and semi joking. BUT I have no doubt there will be elements pushing for such things. Get ready for...Wanderers Clap clap clap as an FFA endorsed chant.

    We already ppl have on here , who cry over swearing in chants..... thats not the wanderers way n all that BS....... hahahahaha fmd...... FFA n police SEE YOU NEXT WEEK ;-)

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    **** you FFA. Charged both clubs with bringing game into disrepute and have until 5pm Monday to fight charges. 3 points deduction and fines pending.

    Just saw that flash up on Fox Sports news so don't know much more.

     

    Trying to even out the comp and give **** teams a chance to stay in touch with the top. Dogs.

     Quoting this here because I'm going to 'takeover' that first post so I can put it up as an article on the frontpage.

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    This is a joke, The press conference on Fox Sports was a joke, De Bohuns statement was weak no clarity at all.  Just standard lines of rubbish.  So this is the line in the sand.  So what about a Sydney FC fan stabbing MVFC???

     

    Well Done De Bohun you tool just walk away you are killing the game. Maybe if you were to listen to the fans and work with them this would never have happened??

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    I dont get it about returning the points if there is no more bad behaviour till the end of the year? They just using this as a threat? 

     

     

    FFA has advised the clubs that the proposed sanction is the deduction of three (3) competition points from each club.

    The sanction would be suspended until the conclusion of the 2013/14 season, subject to the proper conduct of supporters for that period

    Source: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/victory-and-wanderers-charged/82204

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    I dont get it about returning the points if there is no more bad behaviour till the end of the year? They just using this as a threat? 

     

     

    FFA has advised the clubs that the proposed sanction is the deduction of three (3) competition points from each club.

    The sanction would be suspended until the conclusion of the 2013/14 season, subject to the proper conduct of supporters for that period

    Source: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/victory-and-wanderers-charged/82204

    The points will get deducted at the END of the season IF the problems reoccur.

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    I dont get it about returning the points if there is no more bad behaviour till the end of the year? They just using this as a threat? 

     

     

    FFA has advised the clubs that the proposed sanction is the deduction of three (3) competition points from each club.

    The sanction would be suspended until the conclusion of the 2013/14 season, subject to the proper conduct of supporters for that period

    Source: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/victory-and-wanderers-charged/82204

    The points will get deducted at the END of the season IF the problems reoccur.

     

    Yeah. so its pretty much a warning...

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    So what classifies "further misconduct by the clubs' supporters"?

    That's what needs to be defined, and quickly.

     

     

     

    I dont get it about returning the points if there is no more bad behaviour till the end of the year? They just using this as a threat? 

     

     

    FFA has advised the clubs that the proposed sanction is the deduction of three (3) competition points from each club.

    The sanction would be suspended until the conclusion of the 2013/14 season, subject to the proper conduct of supporters for that period

    Source: http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/news-display/victory-and-wanderers-charged/82204

    The points will get deducted at the END of the season IF the problems reoccur.

     

    Yeah. so its pretty much a warning...

     

    Yeah, pretty much.

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    Perhaps the not dobbing in a pyromaniac farkhead policy of the RBB can now finally be abolished. It was only a matter of time and what better time for David Gallop to announce it a few weeks before a couple of high tension fixtures. These are suspended penalties, a warning so to speak. I for one will be very pissed off if the warning is not heeded. By the way these people saying it won't happen and there will be appeal processes which will take forever, you need your heads read. FFA is the governing body, they make the rules and don't want anymore damage to the game. There will be no appeals process for this very reason.

     

    Aside from the fact it is not my job to body search, use a sniffer dog, review footage with HD cams or CCTV and wear a security or cop uniform, whenever a flare is ripped, it is done quite discreetly. You could interrogate me and the people around me for hours on end, but I would struggle to work out who it was. 

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    Perhaps the not dobbing in a pyromaniac farkhead policy of the RBB can now finally be abolished. It was only a matter of time and what better time for David Gallop to announce it a few weeks before a couple of high tension fixtures. These are suspended penalties, a warning so to speak. I for one will be very pissed off if the warning is not heeded. By the way these people saying it won't happen and there will be appeal processes which will take forever, you need your heads read. FFA is the governing body, they make the rules and don't want anymore damage to the game. There will be no appeals process for this very reason.

    Aside from the fact it is not my job to body search, use a sniffer dog, review footage with HD cams or CCTV and wear a security or cop uniform, whenever a flare is ripped, it is done quite discreetly. You could interrogate me and the people around me for hours on end, but I would struggle to work out who it was.

    This. After having flares ripped literally at my feet I could legitimately not identify one flare ripper from the RBB with any confidence, even if I wanted to.

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    Aside from the fact it is not my job to body search, use a sniffer dog, review footage with HD cams or CCTV and wear a security or cop uniform, whenever a flare is ripped, it is done quite discreetly. You could interrogate me and the people around me for hours on end, but I would struggle to work out who it was.

     

    I've had them ripped and thrown under my seat and I'm stuffed if Ive ever known who has actually done it.

     

    ^ beat me to it.

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    Perhaps the not dobbing in a pyromaniac farkhead policy of the RBB can now finally be abolished. It was only a matter of time and what better time for David Gallop to announce it a few weeks before a couple of high tension fixtures. These are suspended penalties, a warning so to speak. I for one will be very pissed off if the warning is not heeded. By the way these people saying it won't happen and there will be appeal processes which will take forever, you need your heads read. FFA is the governing body, they make the rules and don't want anymore damage to the game. There will be no appeals process for this very reason.

     

    Aside from the fact it is not my job to body search, use a sniffer dog, review footage with HD cams or CCTV and wear a security or cop uniform, whenever a flare is ripped, it is done quite discreetly. You could interrogate me and the people around me for hours on end, but I would struggle to work out who it was. 

     

    Ive had a couple of flares thrown under my seat before and never even known where the hell it comes from. Usually its from someone a few rows back just pegging them under the seats i think. 

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    If

     

     

    Perhaps the not dobbing in a pyromaniac farkhead policy of the RBB can now finally be abolished. It was only a matter of time and what better time for David Gallop to announce it a few weeks before a couple of high tension fixtures. These are suspended penalties, a warning so to speak. I for one will be very pissed off if the warning is not heeded. By the way these people saying it won't happen and there will be appeal processes which will take forever, you need your heads read. FFA is the governing body, they make the rules and don't want anymore damage to the game. There will be no appeals process for this very reason.

     

    Aside from the fact it is not my job to body search, use a sniffer dog, review footage with HD cams or CCTV and wear a security or cop uniform, whenever a flare is ripped, it is done quite discreetly. You could interrogate me and the people around me for hours on end, but I would struggle to work out who it was. 

     

    If someone near me ripped a flare i would make it my job to get rid of the farkwit who just lost my team a possible position in the finals as to me they aren't a fan of WSW but more so compensating for their other inadequecies. This is what these measures are about.Your arguement is as pissweak as your ability to defend the indefensible.

     

     

     

    Perhaps the not dobbing in a pyromaniac farkhead policy of the RBB can now finally be abolished. It was only a matter of time and what better time for David Gallop to announce it a few weeks before a couple of high tension fixtures. These are suspended penalties, a warning so to speak. I for one will be very pissed off if the warning is not heeded. By the way these people saying it won't happen and there will be appeal processes which will take forever, you need your heads read. FFA is the governing body, they make the rules and don't want anymore damage to the game. There will be no appeals process for this very reason.


    Aside from the fact it is not my job to body search, use a sniffer dog, review footage with HD cams or CCTV and wear a security or cop uniform, whenever a flare is ripped, it is done quite discreetly. You could interrogate me and the people around me for hours on end, but I would struggle to work out who it was.

    This. After having flares ripped literally at my feet I could legitimately not identify one flare ripper from the RBB with any confidence, even if I wanted to.

     

     

     

     

    Perhaps the not dobbing in a pyromaniac farkhead policy of the RBB can now finally be abolished. It was only a matter of time and what better time for David Gallop to announce it a few weeks before a couple of high tension fixtures. These are suspended penalties, a warning so to speak. I for one will be very pissed off if the warning is not heeded. By the way these people saying it won't happen and there will be appeal processes which will take forever, you need your heads read. FFA is the governing body, they make the rules and don't want anymore damage to the game. There will be no appeals process for this very reason.

     

    Aside from the fact it is not my job to body search, use a sniffer dog, review footage with HD cams or CCTV and wear a security or cop uniform, whenever a flare is ripped, it is done quite discreetly. You could interrogate me and the people around me for hours on end, but I would struggle to work out who it was. 

     

    Ive had a couple of flares thrown under my seat before and never even known where the hell it comes from. Usually its from someone a few rows back just pegging them under the seats i think. 

     

    If someone near me ripped a flare i would make it my job to get rid of the farkwit who just lost my team a possible position in the finals, to me they aren't a fan of WSW but more so compensating for their other inadequacies. This is what these measures are about. Are you going to tell me that the pyro/s in the RBB, no one at all knows the identity of not one of these guys?

    How stupid do you think we are?

    What happened to the so called 'self policing' it's obviously not working in this instance.

    Seriously your arguements against are as pissweak as your ability to defend the indefensible.

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    **** you FFA. Charged both clubs with bringing game into disrepute and have until 5pm Monday to fight charges. 3 points deduction and fines pending.

    Just saw that flash up on Fox Sports news so don't know much more.

     

    Trying to even out the comp and give **** teams a chance to stay in touch with the top. Dogs.

    Quoting this here because I'm going to 'takeover' that first post so I can put it up as an article on the frontpage.
    Is this a hostile takeover? ;) Edited by West13
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     Are you going to tell me that the pyro/s in the RBB, no one at all knows the identity of not one of these guys?

    How stupid do you think we are?

     

    I'm not saying no one knows their identities. I'm saying after one year and a half, and being in the direct vicinity of many maritime distresses, I personally could not identify one, and of the people I know in the RBB, they could not identify one either. 

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