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    Football Federation Australia have charged the Western Sydney Wanderers & Melbourne Victory with 'Bringing the game into disrepute' as a result of events from their match in Melbourne late last year.

     

    The event, a brawl that erupted when Melbourne Victory fans attacked the hotel the Wanderers supporters were having their pre-game function at, was recorded and subsequently made way onto Youtube and then into the mainstream media.

     

    In the aftermath of the incident both clubs released statements, Melbourne Victory ignoring the role their supporters played to instigate the brawl, and the Wanderers reminding the Victory of their supporters role in sparking the incident. The events prior to the match and the subsequent 'Press Release Battle' created a situation where the FFA decided to charge both clubs with bringing the game into disrepute.

     

    The penalty will be a suspended loss of three Premiership points. A-League boss Damien De Bohun refused to outline exactly what would cause that punishment to be activated during a press conference at 11 today.

     

    Both clubs have a deadline of 5pm on Tuesday the 7th to respond to the charge.

     

    Opinion

    This is a disgraceful decision from the FFA & de Bohun. Ill thought out, this 'punishment' starts the FFA down a long road to totalitarian jurisdiction of anyone who might happen to be involved with an A-League club, punishing that club and it's supporters for events taking place away from the club or the stadium on a match-day. This comes just months after the very question of where the FFA's jurisdiction starts and stops was mishandled & ultimately ignored when de Bohun was directly asked to explain his s& the FFA's stance on this issue during the FFA/WSW supporter meeting held at Parramatta toward the end of last year.

     

    Firstly I'll point out the brilliant work of Hatamoto, the FFA's expensive anti-terrorism agency who are drafted in to ensure (according to the Hatamoto website) that the FFA can "identify, evaluate, prioritise and treat risks and vulnerabilities through the application of appropriate standards and tools." For this incident however, it appears that Hatamoto's tools didn't include telling the police that the entire Wanderers away support was going to be at one single pub, and that the police should station some coppers there for the day.

     

    There is also the matter of inconsistency with the FFA's stance, compared to other incidents were people were seriously hurt or injured. De Bohun's may have talked tough but with little substance. Will the FFA subsequently release a list of what counts as 'bringing the game into disrepute' or simply wing it whenever they feel the media has put too much pressure on de Bohun's "image" as head of the A-League?

     

    On November 8 2013, a fight broke out after Sydney FC supporters attacked a group of Melbourne Victory supporters leaving the stadium. During this attack, a Sydney FC supporter stabbed a Victory fan. The fight spilled out onto South Downing & Cleveland Streets in the middle of Sydney City. Last season another fight broke out between Sydney FC supporters, Melbourne Victory supporters and the Police in Melbourne prior to a match between those teams. A well publicised king-hit by a Melbourne Heart fan last year was met with no such points threat. A Newcastle Jets supporter was charged with assaulting the police after the Wanderers match in Newcastle this season, are the Jets now under threat of losing points? If the Central Coast Mariners supporters have a repeat of their racist banner from last season at Bluetongue, are they going to get a points deduction threat? Where was the FFA response to these incidents? Will they also face the punishment of a potential loss of points now?

     

    Now that two teams have a threat over their heads, other supporters have an incentive to create incidents that could see their opposition lose points. There has been talk about going into opposition supporter bays to cause trouble. Getting another team docked points could be even more simple than that. Pick a dozen guys, have a handful wear the shirt of your opposition, then fake an attack on other supporters. Film it like it was Cloverfield or the Blair Witch Project then upload it on youtube and wait. De Bohun & co at the FFA will jump at the chance to show how tough they are and deduct the points from your opposition.

     

    The FFA have opened a massive can of worms with this decision, and I will wait with baited breath to see if they bother responding to any of the issues raised because of their poor decision, or if Damien de Bohun will once again obfuscate and sweep under the carpet the questions that should be answered if supporters in the A-League are going to regain any semblance of confidence in his ability to run the league.

     

    Admin: If you are viewing this on the forum, the post states it is by "West13." It is not by that user, it is by myself, Mack, due to a quirk in the forum software it is displaying West13 as the author when it is not.


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    Dear FFA, stick your points up your ass.

     

    You are punishing 1000s of people over the actions of a tiny few.

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    Read the same thing, what a joke. Are they going to fine the victorian police for being ignorant? Why such a heavy police presence in the stadium but not outside? Makes no sense.

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    Nothing offical on FFA website, looks like suspended sentence, which is basically a 3 point deposit for the up coming game v melbourne victory

     

    looks like a trip to rebels to buy some brisbane roar gear.  top spot, here we come

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    So the minority rules again huh? Just because of a handful of brain deads , we both lose 3 points? This is a problem that can never be 100% controlled. Ask Millwall FC if they can control their hooligan elements , or any other football club, answer is no! It's just like society, there will always be crime, drink driving , illegall drugs etc etc etc. You can put in measures to minimize the trouble but it will always be there.You can bet ur arse there's more to it than this, just to balance the comp.I wouldn't put it past FFA to do something like this.

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    I think it should be a fine but as the FFA owns us they can't fine themselves and want to put out an strong message.

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    there's nothing official yet, nothing on footballaustralia.com.au

    after the dec 28th game there were media reports saying something like ffa would have to change their rules to allow points deductions so whether they have done or what...anyway we will see...wouldn't surprise me though, i think ffa have been patient with us so far...but i really think that with the asian cup being only 1 year away frank and the ffa do not want to be embarrassed leading up to and during the asian cup by bad behaviour and bad publicity so expect a crackdown on anti-social/illegal fan behaviour imo

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    from foxsports:

     

    http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/melbourne-victory-western-sydney-charged-for-fans-misconduct-for-ugly-scenes-last-weekend/story-e6frf4gl-1226794174783

     

    MELBOURNE Victory and Western Sydney Wanderers have been charged with bringing the game into disrepute through the misconduct of their supporters following ugly scenes surrounding Saturday's A-League match and face the possible loss of competition points.

    Further, Football Federation Australia has stated that the clubs' mid-week press releases are regarded as "inappropriate and damaging to the interests of the Hyundai A-League".
     
    Both clubs have until 5pm Tuesday 7 January to show cause why they should not face sanctions for the alleged breaches.
     
    The sanction proposed by the FFA is the loss of three competition points - which would be suspended until the end of the 2013-2014 season and would only be triggered by further misconduct.
     

    "The loss of points that have been won fairly on the pitch is a harsh penalty, but it's in equal measure to the enormous damage caused by the type of anti-social behaviour seen in Melbourne last Saturday," said FFA chief executive David Gallop.
     
    "The troublemakers are hurting the club they claim to support. They need to understand that the consequences of their reckless conduct will be felt on the A-League competition table if trouble persists."

    Gallop said that true fans would never dream of damaging their club's best interests.
     
    "I have great sympathy for the overwhelming majority of fans who like me are sickened by the misconduct of a few, but it's time to make the consequences clear to everyone," he said.
     
    "We want a safe, enjoyable and family-friendly environment in the A-League. That's why we are taking this action. We are absolutely determined to rid the game of the type of behaviour was saw in Melbourne last Saturday."
     
    The disciplinary action undertaken by FFA is based on extensive briefings and detailed reports on the 28 December incidents from Victoria Police, stadium managers and FFA's security advisers.
     
    Head of A-League Damien De Bohun will address the media at 11am (EDT).

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    Lowy's pissed cause they won't meet his 15 million price tag  :P

     

    Like everyone not happy but A wise man once told me don't stress over things outside your control. 

    We can't do anything here. NO-ONE beats Lowy!

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    Reading the TWG FB post, it means we will not get the points docked until end of season.

     

    If there is no more trouble we are ok but if it continues they will dock points.

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    WSW should not be held responsible for the fight as it was the Victory fans who came looking for it and started it.

     

    WSW fans are 100% responsible for flares and the bangers.

    If FFA impose a penalty for this, then they need to be consistent going forward and punish every future flare at every club.

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    considering ESFC fans have derby tickets amongst our bays, how hard is it for one of them to rip a flare or two next weekend.

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    Well, if they do this now, it'll open up a 7 point gap at the top.

     

    Do it later, the gap between us at Roar will be effectively 7 points.

     

     

    On the plus side, now we know that anyone who does anything stupid is certainly not a true fan of the club.

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    People need to chill.

    They won't actually take points off anyone FFS.

     

    They did it to Eastern Sydney when they have a salary cap breach early on in A-league.

     

    What makes you so sure they won't do it here?

    Because this is the first time, isn't they've flagged points deduction for behaviour outside the stadium?

     

    And because the proposed penalty is until the seasons end. Waiting until the end of the season to take points off a side is a nightmare, potentially changing the make up of the finals. There could potentially be appeals and injunctions throwing the finals into turmoil. Won't happen.

     

    The only circumstance it would happen IMO would be if there is a significant incident in which case, I'd bet the points deduction starts from the start of next season.

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    The disciplinary action undertaken by FFA is based on extensive briefings and detailed reports on the 28 December incidents from Victoria Police, stadium managers and FFA's security advisers.

     

    I'd like to hear what VicPol's input was for the incident at the pub considering they weren't there.

     

    As for the FFA being upset with the statements that the clubs released, what's wrong with them? Once MVFC released theirs we should be allowed to say something to set the record straight since the FFA did nothing. There was a gap of several days between statements so plenty of time to charge MVFC and tell us not to say anything.

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    If they'd given us a warning of a points deduction after the Victory game, and then a similar incident occurred, I would be accepting of the points deduction. 




    However that is NOT the case. NO points deductions were EVER mentioned as a possible punishment by the FFA, and at no point did we receive an official warning prior to the points deduction. This is NOT an acceptable method of repercussion, its just a part of the FFA's constant attempts to portray the game as sanitized Australian entertainment, keeling over to the shitstains that rule the Australian media, as opposed to for once... FOR ONCE... STICKING UP FOR THEIR GOD DAMN FANS.   

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    gees great way to welcome our new owners, "by the way here's a fine from your fans for misbehaving", 

    nek minit instrument restrictions, capo stand gone etc. 

    Businessmen do not want to loose money especially when they are in a market such as owning a football club which isn't really the best way to invest your money in returns of making a profit. Flares just got serious and this scare tactic serves as warning that our club will financially get hit if it continues which will then effect all fans of our club especially in the active section.

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    gees great way to welcome our new owners, "by the way here's a fine from your fans for misbehaving", 

    nek minit instrument restrictions, capo stand gone etc. 

    Businessmen do not want to loose money especially when they are in a market such as owning a football club which isn't really the best way to invest your money in returns of making a profit. Flares just got serious and this scare tactic serves as warning that our club will financially get hit if it continues which will then effect all fans of our club especially in the active section.

    Owners > fans. They need to make a healthy profit so they can afford to send their little assh0le children to precious assh0le school and date models on yachts.  The more restrictions that are imposed to limit fans from displaying passion, the better.

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    This stuff gets more air time with the FFAs reaction, every single time.

     

     

    This is the crucial part. The FFA does not realise how badly they are shooting themselves in the foot here..... If they just shut up about it the media will have forgotten and moved on to some other minority to bash up upon within a week. By the FFA substantiating the exaggerations of the media, it'll only get more air time, and facilitate the beliefs of the public that we are a dangerous sport.

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    I'm guessing / hoping this means it is a warning at this stage...??.

     

     

    The sanction would be suspended until the conclusion of the 2013/14 season, subject to the proper conduct of supporters for that period.

    If the sanction were to be triggered by further misconduct, the three points deduction would apply in addition to any other sanction that may be imposed at that time

     

     

    Its getting plenty of media with a few not so flattering pics being used.

     

    http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/aleague-clubs-to-pay-for-fans-bad-behaviour-under-ffa-plan-20131230-3032o.html

     

    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/sport/a/20585207/victory-wanderers-charged-on-fan-violence/

     

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-03/victory-wanderers-charged-over-fans-brawl/5183414

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    Next is banning of swearing on the terrace, use of the word 'death' in Glorious and per match marches.

    Yes. Extreme.. and semi joking. BUT I have no doubt there will be elements pushing for such things. Get ready for...

     

    Wanderers Clap clap clap as an FFA endorsed chant.

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    This stuff gets more air time with the FFAs reaction, every single time.

    This is the crucial part. The FFA does not realise how badly they are shooting themselves in the foot here..... If they just shut up about it the media will have forgotten and moved on to some other minority to bash up upon within a week. By the FFA substantiating the exaggerations of the media, it'll only get more air time, and facilitate the beliefs of the public that we are a dangerous sport.

    And DeBohun isn't a football man and approaches this stuff like an over-dramatic sheila that's forgotten to take her meds , get him out already.

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