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    Gombau Sacked By Wanderers


    mack

    Failing to finish in the finals has proven fatal for Josep Gombau as the Spanish coach was sacked by the Western Sydney Wanderers this morning.

    After just 5 months and 13 days since his first game in charge, having been appointed in the wake of Tony Popovic's shock abandonment of the club a week before the season start, the Wanderers board elected to punt the charismatic Spaniard out of a job that he had been given a 3 year contract for. Gombau's tenure was dogged by pundits both in print & television hounding every move he made, with every substitution met with cries of player feuds and his best unbeaten run of games of 4 games between January 1st and January 13 was not enough to keep the wolves at bay.

    Gombau had to take charge of an ill-disciplined, unfit and woefully under-performing playing squad and his attempt to rebuild the team in his Catalan image was met with indifference, apathy or hostility from many in the the playing group. Hayden Foxe managing a 5 game unbeaten start to season papered over the cracks as he and Popovic before his exit saw a clear reliance on marquee Oriol Riera to save the team from embarrassment against Wellington & Blacktown City in the FFA Cup, while in the A-League the team were incapable of closing out matches strongly to hold onto wins, even against the Central Coast Mariners or teams playing a man down.

    If the earliest results were less than inspiring, the 5-0 annihilation in the second Sydney Derby of the season drove home that the Gombau era would not be smooth sailing to begin with, or even that he would "get the best" out of an attack as penetrative as a tennis ball thrown against a brick wall, and a defence that had more holes in it than swiss cheese. A 4-0 loss not long after to Newcastle saw urgent meetings take place amongst the club officials & staff, and a desire to transition more slowly to Gombau's intended tactics appeared to pay dividends, as the team picked up wins against Melbourne City and Brisbane Roar.

    That was unfortunately the peak of the Wanderers season, with back to back losses against Melbourne Victory & Perth Glory putting the side in danger of missing the finals series. A 3-0 win against Brisbane in the penultimate game of the regular season saw everything to play for against Gombau's former club Adelaide United, and yet they capitulated in a dismal 3-2 defeat, as Riera missed a penalty to bring the game level, and Keanu Baccus was sent off to kill his team's chances of playing in the finals.

    Rumours of squad infighting that rose to multiple fights between team-mates, poor off-field behaviour that saw Chris Herd banished from the side, the exits of Hayden Foxe & Robbie Cornthwaite after a training ground argument along with the whisper campaign in the media all resulted in Gombau losing full control over his team, and despite sections of the Wanderers supporter base wanting the club to see through the Gombau project, those who wanted a fresh direction have seen their hopes realised. The Wanderers board lost their patience with the "project manager", and Gombau was punted on Thursday morning.

    What direction the board go in remains to be seen. Original target Ante Milicic may be looking for a job after Graham Arnold takes over the Australian national team post-world cup, while German manager Dirk Schuster may be available in the next few weeks should his side Darmstadt 98 be relegated from Bundesliga 2.

    Ultimately, this season was a complete waste of time & money, and the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of John Tsatsimas and the ownership group fronted by Paul Lederer. Why on earth would any management team elect to bring in Gombau, a man who it was absolutely crystal clear would need time to implement his own style and bring in players that suited it, and then turn around and sack him 5 months later is inexplicable to me. If they really wanted to keep playing the same plodding, non-attacking style that Popovic had perfected before his exit, they should have told Popovic that it was too late to release him, or then let Foxe takeover until the end of this year.

    Instead, the Board effectively stole the time & money of every single season ticket holder, to watch a club held together on the pitch by Riera & Janjetovic while those in between failed to provide the remotest sense of application and skill unless they were facing the very worst teams in the competition. And for what? The new manager is going to come into a club in crisis, another dozen squad positions to fill, and the sense that having sacked their last manager within 6 months that it could happen again before Christmas.

    Good luck to whoever that is. You're going to need it.

    Edited by mack

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    27 minutes ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

    i was more referring to you saying bring stability back but you are right with popa we had our fair share of player vs coach moments, pretty much every single moment someone was getting "the treatment" but the entire squad was never against him like it seemed to be with gombau, for me gombau brought in amazing signings and i was excited to see who he would sign for next season but popa was the better coach by far in terms of squad management, matchday prep and virtually everything else so if we could get someone with both those advantages i would be happy with that

    honestly dont want milicic purely because i am wanting a big name coach signing like the one we were meant to sign before gombau, but if we have to go for some local guy milicic will do but i have a feeling he is just popa 2.0

     

    if the rumour is to be beliveved

    Fitzgerald, kamau

    Elrich

    hardly anything to get too excited about 

    what would be bad about Popa 2 

    another acl would be ok wouldn’t it

     

     

    Edited by StringerBellend

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    9 minutes ago, mack said:

    Alright my proper finished post is up.

    pretty much 100% agree, our club is less forward thinking than sydney fc, that said at least popa did extremely well in turkey.....oh, but at least we can resign jumpei

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    Stupid decision by the club. I don't think we should get popa back either, particularly as he will look to move overseas again at the "first right opportunity". He had too much influence and control at the club and it's put us in the spot we are in. We were so reliant on him that when he left it was too much for the club to handle. We have become the joke of the A-league. Let's hope they get the next appointment right and that they have patience to commit to him fully. Let's just hope it's not ******* Okon. The guy is a dead set dud.

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    23 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

     

    if the rumour is to be beliveved

    Fitzgerald, kamau

    Elrich

    hardly anything to get too excited about 

    what would be bad about Popa 2 

    another acl would be ok wouldn’t it

     

     

    kamau is better than anything we have right now(minus one player which popa brought in and one player which gombau brought in), also that other young guy who has huge props on him Tongyik but if popa signed him all he would do is leave him on the bench forever and sell him to newcastle

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    35 minutes ago, mack said:

    Alright my proper finished post is up.

    Pretty much on the money mack.

    The club tried to have it's cake and eat it too. Tried to revolutionize the playing style with a radically different manager while telling us all that we would challenge for trophies at the same time.

    Was never going to be possible to do both.

    Either gombau needed to be flexible in his approach or the club needed to be honest.

    Neither happened and here we are.

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    Anyone who has any faith that this board could sign a better manager than Popa is deluded.

    Lets be realistic & ease up on the pride. We are genuinely desperate. 

    After the season we've had, I'd have no problem begging and grovelling to get him back. 

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    37 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

     

    if the rumour is to be beliveved

    Fitzgerald, kamau

    Elrich

    hardly anything to get too excited about 

    what would be bad about Popa 2 

    another acl would be ok wouldn’t it

     

     

    ...and the fans will be dooling about the side to side and back to the keeper passing from short corners.....more quality signings like Saba, Pio, Borda, Jumpei.bring it on....oh yeah...can't wait.!

    If the club bring back Popovic then they really will have lost the plot. What;s to stop him from walking out again....? He's done it once.

    Edited by sonar

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    4 minutes ago, lloydy136 said:

    Either gombau needed to be flexible in his approach or the club needed to be honest.

    Neither happened and here we are.

    From what I've heard Gombau did attempt some "flexibility" after the derby but that's almost as bad, you bring in a manager to do his style, give him a 3 year deal, then a month later after he's started to change the side (pissing off players) you then go "nah, that's too quick" so he ends up in this bullshit half-pregnant change in style along with angering players.

    2 weeks later they get smashed by Newcastle after some alleged hijinks involving Cornthwaite, Foxe and a refusal to train the way Gombau wanted and the Board come in & do something they'd never do to Popa (tell him how to run the team) and that's ended his authority over the existing team within months of joining.

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    1 minute ago, mack said:

    From what I've heard Gombau did attempt some "flexibility" after the derby but that's almost as bad, you bring in a manager to do his style, give him a 3 year deal, then a month later after he's started to change the side (pissing off players) you then go "nah, that's too quick" so he ends up in this bullshit half-pregnant change in style along with angering players.

    2 weeks later they get smashed by Newcastle after some alleged hijinks involving Cornthwaite, Foxe and a refusal to train the way Gombau wanted and the Board come in & do something they'd never do to Popa (tell him how to run the team) and that's ended his authority over the existing team within months of joining.

    Gombau was shafted from the beginning. I hope the new manager has a quiet chat with Gumby so he can have a clean out of all the backstabbing, useless, talentless, unprofessional  chunts that wore our jersey this year.

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    Whoever had final say on appointing Gombau should also be sacked. I'm no expert but even I saw that he was not a good fit for our club. We needed immediate results not a "long term project" hence what transpired.

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    16 minutes ago, WestGrub said:

    Anyone who has any faith that this board could sign a better manager than Popa is deluded.

    Lets be realistic & ease up on the pride. We are genuinely desperate. 

    After the season we've had, I'd have no problem begging and grovelling to get him back. 

    Yeah nah popa burnt that ******* bridge...we need to move forward unless you really love that one static formation that he was married to..

     

    Merrick has shown that if youre struck without the cattle you need, you are going to be Nix level forever... I'm sorry but if the squad cant get on board with what you want then they get shown the door at the first opportunity. 

    popa cleaned house every season and yet they balk because its what Gombau clearly needed to do??

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    21 minutes ago, sonar said:

    ...and the fans will be dooling about the side to side and back to the keeper passing from short corners.....more quality signings like Saba, Pio, Borda, Jumpei.bring it on....oh yeah...can't wait.!

    If the club bring back Popovic then they really will have lost the plot. What;s to stop him from walking out again....? He's done it once.

    I was referring to Goats suggestion that Millic would be Popa 2.0.

    Going back is never a good idea, but if the new guy comes in and has the success Popa did (especially season 1 & 2) I would be more than happy.

    Its weird the amount of dislike people have of a manager that took us to 3 grand finals out of 5 won a ACL, and yet mourn the loss of a guy who basically took us backwards and managed to alienate his senior players including Santalab.

     

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    1 minute ago, StringerBellend said:

    I was referring to Goats suggestion that Millic would be Popa 2.0.

    Going back is never a good idea, but if the new guy comes in and has the success Popa did (especially season 1 & 2) I would be more than happy.

    Its weird the amount of dislike people have of a manager that took us to 3 grand finals out of 5 won a ACL, and yet mourn the loss of a guy who basically took us backwards and managed to alienate his senior players including Santalab.

     

    I have no dislike of Popa. His tactics in S5 were effing terrible to watch.We had no go forward,no goal scorers of note apart fron Santalab The next manager is on a hiding to nothing. If the players don;t like him he better watch his back. The inmates run the asylum.

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    Milicic please

    When does the world cup finish and our preseason start as would need him in early as possible to rebuild this mess.

    Not sure who else you can bring in as most overseas coaches will struggle to adapt to the non technical aspects of a-league.

    One thing is a must is a strong conditioning coach and the club to stand up against the FFA and support the rights of our fans and the insane security measures to be scaled back, but I doubt this as Lederer is a corporate dog linked to the lowy family and JT isn't a true leader but a hack doing what he is told.

    Get serious WSW and try turn our club back to its community roots and not just try flog us merchandize emails every week.

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    From: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-04-19/western-sydney-wanderers-coach-josep-gombau-sacked/9675052

    The ABC has been told that tensions flared in the lead-up to the match, with striker Brendon Santalab involved in a fight with Kearyn Bacchus at training.

    Neither player was injured.

    Following the incident, it is understood Gombau told the playing group they were the hardest team he had ever had to manage, and he was unsure if he wanted to be in the job next year.

    Midfielder Roly Bonevacia was involved in a recent heated argument with Gombau, and defender Robbie Cornthwaithe left earlier this year due to differences.

    Morale within the playing group has been low for months and they expected Gombau to be moved on.

    Players had no confidence in his coaching ability and style the ABC understands, and players felt if former coach Tony Popovic stayed on, the season's outcome would have been completely different.

    Just days ago, Santalab told Fairfax Media the club has been unstable since Popovic departed last year.

    "I think ever since [Popovic] left it's been an unsettled ship," he said. "I think everybody can see that … we never got going, we never got the rhythm and that has to change. Whatever that is, it's out of my control."

    If JT had any balls he would punt Baccus and Santalab. This is completely unacceptable behaviour and I am sure must break club code of conduct. And Lederer should punt JT.

    The club has a lot to answer for, overseeing the employment of a coach who holds the highest coaching licence in Spain but then allowing him to be systematically undermined.

    Mack is right - lots of luck to whoever walks into this mess.

     

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    6 minutes ago, pudispencer said:

     

    If JT had any balls he would punt Baccus and Santalab. This is completely unacceptable behaviour and I am sure must break club code of conduct. And Lederer should punt JT.

    The club has a lot to answer for, overseeing the employment of a coach who holds the highest coaching licence in Spain but then allowing him to be systematically undermined.

    Mack is right - lots of luck to whoever walks into this mess.

     

    The inmates are running the asylum.

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    18 minutes ago, pudispencer said:

     

    If JT had any balls he would punt Baccus and Santalab. This is completely unacceptable behaviour and I am sure must break club code of conduct. And Lederer should punt JT.

    The club has a lot to answer for, overseeing the employment of a coach who holds the highest coaching licence in Spain but then allowing him to be systematically undermined.

    Mack is right - lots of luck to whoever walks into this mess.

     

    its very hard to agree with a sydney fc fan so often

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    1 minute ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

    its very hard to agree with a sydney fc fan so often

    He’s stirring, would he want gombau at his club? 

     

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    Just now, StringerBellend said:

    He’s stirring, would he want gombau at his club? 

     

    i know he is stirring but at the same time he is making sense, i mean if sydney fc were in the same situation we would all be laughing

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    Just now, sonar said:

    Would he want our players at his club ?

    to be fair he has had a bunch of them before :P but lucky for him our worst players are not ex sydney fc

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    1 minute ago, GoatyMcGoatFace said:

    i know he is stirring but at the same time he is making sense, i mean if sydney fc were in the same situation we would all be laughing

    Yes we would (we kinda did back in the farina days) 

    gombau was the manager, it’s his job to manage (hence the name)

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    9 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    Yes we would (we kinda did back in the farina days) 

    gombau was the manager, it’s his job to manage (hence the name)

    imo he never had the chance to manage, there were constantly people including players like santalab who should be better and if he pulled that crap with popa he would have been shown the door fast constantly undermining him and i am not saying he did a good job but it was such a **** situation to start with and people within the club only made it worse

    the players jobs were to play.......they didnt do much of that tbh

    gombau might have not done the best job but he never once put himself above the club, multiple players put thesmelves above the club and they should all go

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    23 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    Yes we would (we kinda did back in the farina days) 

    gombau was the manager, it’s his job to manage (hence the name)

    Look I have no idea why it takes players forever to get Gombau's system. Maybe Australian players are more naive and difficult to coach. In any case when the club hired Gombau they should have expected that it would take time for him to get the squad to play his way. In particular when he came in part way through the season, they were not his signings, not involved in the preseason, he was fighting player revolts left right and centre. I don't think its unreasonable the season we had. I think a lot of coaches would have found it difficult. In fact Foxe was struggling in the first 5 games with 1 win ( a good display) and then 4 draws (average) and it looked like the same continuation from the Popa era when he changed our style of play. Even still I think Gombau deserved an extra season particularly as I noticed we were actually starting to play some decent football, starting with the Victory match. What cost us in the matches against Victory and Adelaide was ill discipline from the players.

    What makes this even worse now is that Gombau has already signed a few players which will make the new coaches job just as hard as what Gombau's was. Whoever we get we need to allow them 2 years at least. I am afraid to say it but we could quite easily have a repeat next year. 

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    Who cares about his system, at this level it is about managing ego's and adapting to the game as it plays out and he was terrible at both of these things.  The amount of time we were busted in the midfield and he sat on our subs until the 70th minute or waited til we were down by 2 to put on Santalab (or even worse in some cases Sotirio) or made a dumb substitution with a defender when we needed to boost the unfit midfield told me he had no clue.

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    20 minutes ago, Jukes01 said:

    Look I have no idea why it takes players forever to get Gombau's system. Maybe Australian players are more naive and difficult to coach. In any case when the club hired Gombau they should have expected that it would take time for him to get the squad to play his way. In particular when he came in part way through the season, they were not his signings, not involved in the preseason, he was fighting player revolts left right and centre. I don't think its not unreasonable the season we had. I think a lot of coaches would have found it difficult. In fact Foxe was struggling in the first 5 games with 1 win ( a good display) and then 4 draws (average) and it looked like the same continuation from the Popa era when he changed our style of play. Even still I think Gombau deserved an extra season particularly as I noticed we were actually starting to play some decent football, starting with the Victory match. What cost us in the matches against Victory and Adelaide was ill discipline from the players.

    What makes this even worse now is that Gombau has already signed a few players which will make the new coaches job just as hard as what Gombau's was. Whoever we get we need to allow them 2 years at least. I am afraid to say it but we could quite easily have a repeat next year. 

    Is it confirmed he has signed them? Crazy  of club to sign players if they weren’t sure of the manager for next year. 

    Yes we could have a repeat next year, it’s always a chance, either way I’d guess that the club thinks a new guy would have the best chance for success. Blame for season gone aside they really just need the guy who gives you the best odds of success.

    I felt for Gumby on the victory game as it could have been a turning point for him but for thwaite idiotic three minutes. 

    That said off field stuff aside, defence was  what killed him

    we also must have set a record for conceding within minutes of scoring, totally mad

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    Midfield was diabolical during his time.

    Lustica - Roly - Carrusca

    Seriously, what the hell is that meant to achieve?

    You have a system and you have the players. Railroading what you have into your system, is not good managment.

    The team functioned much better under Foxe. We obviously should have stuck with the ranga. Instead we played Gomball and finished 7th in a painfully average competition. 

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    5 minutes ago, WestGrub said:

    Midfield was diabolical during his time.

    Lustica - Roly - Carrusca

    Seriously, what the hell is that meant to achieve?

    You have a system and you have the players. Railroading what you have into your system, is not good managment.

    The team functioned much better under Foxe. We obviously should have stuck with the ranga. Instead we played Gomball and finished 7th in a painfully average competition. 

    Agree with you on the point 'team functioned better under Foxe', but i don't think Carrusca and diabolical should be mentioned in the same sentence.

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