New Parramatta Stadium Revealed

Just to make y'all a bit sad... this is the terracing at the new stadium in Orlando for the MLS:

That sand is so pleasing to look at haha

It looks so good, is it me or does it look like a really good rendering?

That sand is so pleasing to look at haha

Especially if your a cat needing a poo.

Mike Cockerill about the cost of stadiums in Oz

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/why-aleague-needs-a-view-from-the-cheap-seats-20161215-gtc5a8.html

Mike Cockerill about the cost of stadiums in Oz

 

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/why-aleague-needs-a-view-from-the-cheap-seats-20161215-gtc5a8.html

Surely part of it has to be that its the government that is building these stadiums. Wouldn't that mean, as much as possible, they would try to keep as much of the building work as they can within Australia. High wages in this country means it will always cost a lot more.

Labour costs are a big factor from my understanding. I agree with Dan that the government factor plays a big role, not just in cost but timeframes as well cause they **** around so much with any infrastructure project in this country. They seem so much more efficient in general overseas.

Most of the stadiums we look at as comparisons/appreciation are private projects. I think our costs would still be higher but I think it would be a much different story if we actually had privately built stadia.

Don't forget either that our stadiums are multi use so there's so much bullshit that goes into them to appease the various stakeholders that adds cost and time.

The first point that Cockerill needs to know is that a stadium doesn't equal a stadium.  The second point he needs to know is that a stadium in one part of a country does not equal a stadium in another part of a country.  Thirdly he needs to know that a stadium in one country does not equal a stadium in another country.  Finally he needs to know that a stadium built in one year does not equal a stadium built in another year.  Once he understands all that and the myriad factors that interact within a stadium project he will understand why the differences in cost per seat exist and hopefully he will stop writing nonsense.

​NEW WSW SAFE STANDING SECTION !!.......OUT WITH THE OLD.......EELS SINCE 1947

Now put the rails in and call it a day.

A mate of mine works for the council and he says a rare and endangered bird has been found nesting in the eaves of the stadium. The lesser spotted dustbin diver or similar Could hold up construction allegedly

A mate of mine works for the council and he says a rare and endangered bird has been found nesting in the eaves of the stadium. The lesser spotted dustbin diver or similar Could hold up construction allegedly

Can't it just be moved into the park? Now that Parramatta stadium hardly gets used, probably thought it was a great little place to set up shop!

it's a joke

Can someone explain to me why this would hold this up?

 

Can't it just be moved into the park? Now that Parramatta stadium hardly gets used, probably thought it was a great little place to set up shop!

"Lesser spotted dustbin diver"

I could be wrong but I'm fairly sure that was a joke...

You don't want to mess with the nest of a spotted dustbin diver. It can ruin the chances of a successful breeding season of an endangered species. Plus you might catch veganism.

I can see the Dustbin Diver birds club picketing with the pool knobs

Dustbin Diver.... sounds like innuendo for an ESFC supporter..... 

Are you sure Dan Butler

How about we move the nest into a zoo type enclosure so we can get on the with the stadium? Yeh yeh endangered species I know but surely we aren't going to hold up a $300m stadium for this?

Before you know it, there will be around the clock bird watchers surveillance (probably cost a fortune too) to make sure the birds don't disappear

I've got some stories about how my Nonno dealt with birds that went anywhere near his garden

Are you sure Dan Butler

 

How about we move the nest into a zoo type enclosure so we can get on the with the stadium? Yeh yeh endangered species I know but surely we aren't going to hold up a $300m stadium for this?

 

Before you know it, there will be around the clock bird watchers surveillance (probably cost a fortune too) to make sure the birds don't disappear

 

I've got some stories about how my Nonno dealt with birds that went anywhere near his garden

I too, also thought it was a joke.

Never mind, If somehow remotely true, I'm sure Hawks, clearly a bird lover due to his forum name, could solve this problem very quickly.

The first point that Cockerill needs to know is that a stadium doesn't equal a stadium.  The second point he needs to know is that a stadium in one part of a country does not equal a stadium in another part of a country.  Thirdly he needs to know that a stadium in one country does not equal a stadium in another country.  Finally he needs to know that a stadium built in one year does not equal a stadium built in another year.  Once he understands all that and the myriad factors that interact within a stadium project he will understand why the differences in cost per seat exist and hopefully he will stop writing nonsense.

Flytox, if you wouldn't mind could you elaborate? I understand your point above about inflation and differing costs depending on access to materials. But factoring all that in, doesn't Cockerill still have a point. Is there systemic problem within the Construction industry? I've often wondered if there was a cartel like behaviour between the big construction companies.

I would've thought stadium construction around the world would make a really good case study in benchmarking costs in a similar manner as The Economist magazine uses Big Mac burgers to measure purchasing power across countries

I too, also thought it was a joke.

Never mind, If somehow remotely true, I'm sure Hawks, clearly a bird lover due to his forum name, could solve this problem very quickly.

Nothing that an air rifle couldn't fix very quickly.

The costs of everything in Australia are higher.

Other countries also have lower costs as they have less regulations. Also as our stadiums are Govt ownerd and run unlike most countries you also add Australian nanny statism and bureaucracy on top adding more cost.

A mate of mine works for the council and he says a rare and endangered bird has been found nesting in the eaves of the stadium. The lesser spotted dustbin diver or similar Could hold up construction allegedly

LOL

 

A mate of mine works for the council and he says a rare and endangered bird has been found nesting in the eaves of the stadium. The lesser spotted dustbin diver or similar Could hold up construction allegedly

Can someone explain to me why this would hold this up?

 

Can't it just be moved into the park? Now that Parramatta stadium hardly gets used, probably thought it was a great little place to set up shop!

 

OMG

Are you sure Dan Butler

 

How about we move the nest into a zoo type enclosure so we can get on the with the stadium? Yeh yeh endangered species I know but surely we aren't going to hold up a $300m stadium for this?

 

Before you know it, there will be around the clock bird watchers surveillance (probably cost a fortune too) to make sure the birds don't disappear

 

I've got some stories about how my Nonno dealt with birds that went anywhere near his garden

OMFG

Mate works for a tier 1 builder. Said that profit margins on stadiums are much less than on most other large commercial builds.

Main reasons are that stadiums are all different and have site/project specific requirements, where's other builds are cookie cutter designs. Also longer DLP periods than standard build.

The first point that Cockerill needs to know is that a stadium doesn't equal a stadium.  The second point he needs to know is that a stadium in one part of a country does not equal a stadium in another part of a country.  Thirdly he needs to know that a stadium in one country does not equal a stadium in another country.  Finally he needs to know that a stadium built in one year does not equal a stadium built in another year.  Once he understands all that and the myriad factors that interact within a stadium project he will understand why the differences in cost per seat exist and hopefully he will stop writing nonsense.

One shouldn't hold one's breath.

Stadium related

Interesting how Everton are approaching theirs

#saynotobowls

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-stadium-architect-gives-12347552

Stringer #NoColumnsInBowls

Stadium related

 

Interesting how Everton are approaching theirs

 

#saynotobowls

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-new-stadium-architect-gives-12347552