No Contest To FFA Sanction + PFA Ratings

I agree with the sentiment that yes, by fighting the penalty they look bad in the media for condoning violence but also feel it was the least worst action to take as there is just a lose-lose situation.

Hard to argue with dimaxtaa.... But I love arguing so here goes,

- illegal flares, I think the only reason they have acted is based on pressure from the media and police who view this on par with violence. I don't think it's that bad but after the shitstorm created they had to act!

- dangerous explosives????

- I don't think that there is in general a problem with eating in an opposition's city centre where people feel unsafe, but the problem is the ultra culture brining something like that into the publics eye much of which usually remains private

 

 

 

What's there to fight? MV have to deal with their supporters attacking WSW people, and we have to deal with idiots setting off flares and detonators or whatever thinking it's okay to do so.

 

Yes, the punishment is stupid, in terms of league points - but the charges are spot on, and we can't contest them.

What about randoms doing stuff in the names of other clubs? I.e. randoms ripping flares in the away section wearing the opposition colors?

 

What about fights taking place outside the control of the clubs? I.e what happens if there is another victory vs syd FC stabbing? Will syd FC get a suspended sentence too?

 

Home fans ripping flares, even though I have nothing against them, the FFA have made it clear that they won't tolerate them and will do their utmost to get rid of them. Any more of them by anyone at games now aren't football fans or supporters of clubs knowing the penalty dished out.

Separate issues, that's a problem in hypotheticals and that's something the FFA have to deal with - and as I said, the punishment for such actions, is stupid.

Which is the reason they shouldn't lie down and take it! They should look to get a punishment which is for things the clubs can reasonably be expected to prevent or stop!

If the club appealed it the media would have a field day.

"Wanderers board support violence and hooligans"

Personally, I don't really care that the club didnt appeal it. No one can really accuse the club of not having our backs. The club has only had support for their fans since the start.

Bring on the derby!

P.S

This song has been getting me pumped for the derby. (Not because of the rioting in the video )

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yVA-xTBeHyM&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DyVA-xTBeHyM

Magicwand,

Taking responsibility and letting the criminal justice system do its job are a combined act. They needed to do something because of what was happening in the media. By imposing harsh penalties at least they are trying to do something to stop it from taking over the sport. Whilst at the same time you have the cops working on CCTV images trying to figure out who are the thugs and cops on game day identifying who are the culprits!

I just wonder exactly what the minimum 'offence' is to trigger the 3 point deduction. If trivial or disputed then the situation could get ugly.

I just wonder exactly what the minimum 'offence' is to trigger the 3 point deduction. If trivial or disputed then the situation could get ugly.

And there is the legal loophole for the FFA to use as a get out of jail card. Unless there is some kind of major shitestorm that presents a hypothetical future event as clear as ***** day unquestionably being the fault of either WSW and/or MV fan(s) the FFA can back peddle/soft soap any potential implementation of the 3 point penalty of legal grounds. People may get bans, media announcements circulated, but clubs losing points without a 101% dead certain accurate rendition of 'the game being brought into disrepute' then it's all spin.

For anyone who doesn't get the cynicism and spin involved with anything like the suspended 3 point deduction go watch 'Wag The Dog'...we live in an age where the 30 second sound byte phrased into ambivalent double-talk will always be the standard go to method for anyone in power and/or wealth when it comes to massaging their public image. If Gallop and de Bohun have proved anything in this whole sorry affair they are just as adept at playing the game as their far more financially secure contemporaries in FIFA, or indeed in the AFL, NRL and other major sporting bodies in this country. Instead of clarity and straightforwardness all the players love obscurity and ambivalence.

This pervading sense of nannyism in Australian culture irritates me to no end. 

 

I just wonder exactly what the minimum 'offence' is to trigger the 3 point deduction. If trivial or disputed then the situation could get ugly.

 

And there is the legal loophole for the FFA to use as a get out of jail card. Unless there is some kind of major shitestorm that presents a hypothetical future event as clear as ***** day unquestionably being the fault of either WSW and/or MV fan(s) the FFA can back peddle/soft soap any potential implementation of the 3 point penalty of legal grounds. People may get bans, media announcements circulated, but clubs losing points without a 101% dead certain accurate rendition of 'the game being brought into disrepute' then it's all spin.

 

For anyone who doesn't get the cynicism and spin involved with anything like the suspended 3 point deduction go watch 'Wag The Dog'...we live in an age where the 30 second sound byte phrased into ambivalent double-talk will always be the standard go to method for anyone in power and/or wealth when it comes to massaging their public image. If Gallop and de Bohun have proved anything in this whole sorry affair they are just as adept at playing the game as their far more financially secure contemporaries in FIFA, or indeed in the AFL, NRL and other major sporting bodies in this country. Instead of clarity and straightforwardness all the players love obscurity and ambivalence.

 

Exactly. FFA have the constitution of a squid. Might as well be governed by the AFL.

This pervading sense of nannyism in Australian culture irritates me to no end. 

It's been here since 1788 Zola...a by-product of the original Anglo society being built upon criminals and their guards. Ask any old bastard about things like the Six O'Clock Swill, plastic wrap being used to cover copies of 'Final Exit' or 'American Psycho' in bookshops and any one of hundreds of other examples where wowsers and do-gooders from both the left and right think they can 'guard' our morals and our thoughts for the benefit of all.

 

This pervading sense of nannyism in Australian culture irritates me to no end. 

 

It's been here since 1788 Zola...a by-product of the original Anglo society being built upon criminals and their guards. Ask any old bastard about things like the Six O'Clock Swill, plastic wrap being used to cover copies of 'Final Exit' or 'American Psycho' in bookshops and any one of hundreds of other examples where wowsers and do-gooders from both the left and right think they can 'guard' our morals and our thoughts for the benefit of all.

 

Yet, they like to perpetuate this frivolous nonsense about larrikins, and easy going Straya. 

How the Wanderers reacted to this was inconsequential really.

The FFA have chosen to play the game on the medias terms. And it is a game they will never win.

Why? Because there will always be some idiots causing trouble. Just as there is in AFL and NRL.

Only difference is, because of vested interest, we will always be front page when it happens.

So this "standard" the FFA is trying to uphold, in a sporting setting involving thousands of people and alcohol - will never be upheld.

I can't believe some of you think this is the right course of action from the ffa. ******* riddy.

I can't believe some of you think this is the right course of action from the ffa. ****ing riddy.

I can't believe some of you guys believe they had any other choice. When you look at all of the alternatives, the path they have chosen is the best way to feed the media vultures whilst looking like they have provided a solution and minimised any further damage to the code. Instead of blaming FFA for all of this how about condemn the action of the twats who put FFA in this position in the first place. After looking at all the papers, TV footage and social media sites in the past 2 weeks, there is no way you can say these incidents didn't happen, FFA had no choice but to act. If it didn't it would look a hell of a lot worse than it is now. For anyone that is against any action enforced by FFA, it looks as though you are actually condoning the actions of the brain dead minority.

at the end of the blame game, if there where no flares and fights the other day then the FFA would not have had to act, whether their actions were appropriate or not, this train was put into motion by the actions of a few fans.

Yeah the only choice they had was to punish the players/club for actions that they have no control over. The ffa have opened a door that shouldn't have been opened, and they're not going to be able to close it.

im saying that at the very beginning that door was unlocked by the actions in melbourne. i agree that the response was crap, but no initial trouble = no response.

Club couldn't challenge cause we are owned by FFA. Simple as that. they werent happy but they were put into a corner

Melbourne Victory on the other hand..why their board didnt fight it is beyond me

Anyway we move on

Club couldn't challenge cause we are owned by FFA. Simple as that. they werent happy but they were put into a corner Melbourne Victory on the other hand..why their board didnt fight it is beyond me Anyway we move on

I interpret this as putting up their hands and saying guilty as charged, unlike the earlier statement they released which blamed us for their cowardly act.

What hope does the club have when it's even going on in cemetries?

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/people-involved-in-brawl-at-springvale-cemetery/story-fnii5sms-1226797713580

Let's hope none of them were wearing Victory shirts

 

I can't believe some of you think this is the right course of action from the ffa. ****ing riddy.

I can't believe some of you guys believe they had any other choice. When you look at all of the alternatives, the path they have chosen is the best way to feed the media vultures whilst looking like they have provided a solution and minimised any further damage to the code. Instead of blaming FFA for all of this how about condemn the action of the twats who put FFA in this position in the first place. After looking at all the papers, TV footage and social media sites in the past 2 weeks, there is no way you can say these incidents didn't happen, FFA had no choice but to act. If it didn't it would look a hell of a lot worse than it is now. For anyone that is against any action enforced by FFA, it looks as though you are actually condoning the actions of the brain dead minority.

 

The FFA had many options rather than this heavy handed, media focused decision. The decision they have taken is the worst way to 'feed the media vultures'. They now have an oppurtunity to search for & highlight any small indiscretion (fact or fiction) & demand action. The way that the FFA has folded up in the face of this, suggests they will do so meakly again.

This should have remained a police matter. The most disturbing incident happened on public streets & is therefore the responsilbilty of police to investigate & charge appropriately.

The inappropriate actions of certain MV fans has been condemned & this is the clearly the main issue in this saga. Why you say differently is strange.

The FFA has had many oppurtunities to make a stance against violence - the Melbourne Heart king hit that was captured live on TV inside the ground or the ESFC / MV stabbing incident. But instead, they have chosen to make a stand here? Most fans on here are asking why now? Where was our warning? This is a huge can of worms that has unnessarily opened by a weak FFA, petrified of a rabid MSM.

^^^ that about wraps up this thread, well said.

 

 

I can't believe some of you think this is the right course of action from the ffa. ****ing riddy.

I can't believe some of you guys believe they had any other choice. When you look at all of the alternatives, the path they have chosen is the best way to feed the media vultures whilst looking like they have provided a solution and minimised any further damage to the code. Instead of blaming FFA for all of this how about condemn the action of the twats who put FFA in this position in the first place. After looking at all the papers, TV footage and social media sites in the past 2 weeks, there is no way you can say these incidents didn't happen, FFA had no choice but to act. If it didn't it would look a hell of a lot worse than it is now. For anyone that is against any action enforced by FFA, it looks as though you are actually condoning the actions of the brain dead minority.

 

 

The FFA had many options rather than this heavy handed, media focused decision. The decision they have taken is the worst way to 'feed the media vultures'. They now have an oppurtunity to search for & highlight any small indiscretion (fact or fiction) & demand action. The way that the FFA has folded up in the face of this, suggests they will do so meakly again.

 

This should have remained a police matter. The most disturbing incident happened on public streets & is therefore the responsilbilty of police to investigate & charge appropriately.

 

The inappropriate actions of certain MV fans has been condemned & this is the clearly the main issue in this saga. Why you say differently is strange.

 

The FFA has had many oppurtunities to make a stance against violence - the Melbourne Heart king hit that was captured live on TV inside the ground or the ESFC / MV stabbing incident. But instead, they have chosen to make a stand here? Most fans on here are asking why now? Where was our warning? This is a huge can of worms that has unnessarily opened by a weak FFA, petrified of a rabid MSM.

 

Good post. I think part of the problem here was that there was a general misconception that WSW were somehow getting away with more than other clubs on and off the pitch. You don't have to dig too far under the surface to find resentment against WSW from other club officials, fans and media alike.

I can't help but feel this is in some way a reaction to this from the FFA that yes we own them but they are not above the law and we will crack down on them hard.

We have been made an example and a line has been drawn in the sand which has set a dangerous precedent in my opinion. This should have been left to the police and inside the ground matters left to the FFA.

 

 

I can't believe some of you think this is the right course of action from the ffa. ****ing riddy.

I can't believe some of you guys believe they had any other choice. When you look at all of the alternatives, the path they have chosen is the best way to feed the media vultures whilst looking like they have provided a solution and minimised any further damage to the code. Instead of blaming FFA for all of this how about condemn the action of the twats who put FFA in this position in the first place. After looking at all the papers, TV footage and social media sites in the past 2 weeks, there is no way you can say these incidents didn't happen, FFA had no choice but to act. If it didn't it would look a hell of a lot worse than it is now. For anyone that is against any action enforced by FFA, it looks as though you are actually condoning the actions of the brain dead minority.

 

 

The FFA had many options rather than this heavy handed, media focused decision. The decision they have taken is the worst way to 'feed the media vultures'. They now have an oppurtunity to search for & highlight any small indiscretion (fact or fiction) & demand action. The way that the FFA has folded up in the face of this, suggests they will do so meakly again.

 

This should have remained a police matter. The most disturbing incident happened on public streets & is therefore the responsilbilty of police to investigate & charge appropriately.

 

The inappropriate actions of certain MV fans has been condemned & this is the clearly the main issue in this saga. Why you say differently is strange.

 

The FFA has had many oppurtunities to make a stance against violence - the Melbourne Heart king hit that was captured live on TV inside the ground or the ESFC / MV stabbing incident. But instead, they have chosen to make a stand here? Most fans on here are asking why now? Where was our warning? This is a huge can of worms that has unnessarily opened by a weak FFA, petrified of a rabid MSM.

 

So then you have no problem with heavy police presence and over the top security, like we have experienced all year at Wanderland? You can't have it both ways.

Or will that be your whinge for next week?

You are choosing to forget the fact that both clubs were charged with bringing the game into disrepute by illegal and anti social behaviour by a minority group from both sets of fans, no matter how minor or 'major' your opinion is of each offence.

Just like many others here you chose to have a biased and baseless opinion which is a blurred vision of truth as if they have smoke in their eyes.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that there should be NO police presence dmixtaaa.

One cop car at that pub in Melbourne and this whole shitstorm would have been averted.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that there should be NO police presence dmixtaaa.

 

One cop car at that pub in Melbourne and this whole shitstorm would have been averted.

I totally agree with this^^^ this incident was way out of our control and could've been avoided. What we can control and what many people on here are conveniently forgetting is what OUR fans did inside the stadium. Seeing all the footage on tele & the internet, there was NONE of our fans condemning the illegal actions of the bad minority but more so embracing it. That was THEIR choice and now we must all live with their selfish actions.

@dmixtaa, on the ridiculous handling of bringing the game to "disrepute"...

F*k it... I'm not in the mood to point out how ridiculous your logic is.

@dmixtaa, on the ridiculous handling of bringing the game to "disrepute"...

 

F*k it... I'm not in the mood to point out how ridiculous your logic is.

Umm.. they are actually the words FFA used in the charges, not words I have thought up. I'm not in the mood for wasting my time with ill informed imbeciles who think they can defend the actions of these law breakers who have given my club a bad name.

 

 

 

I can't believe some of you think this is the right course of action from the ffa. ****ing riddy.

I can't believe some of you guys believe they had any other choice. When you look at all of the alternatives, the path they have chosen is the best way to feed the media vultures whilst looking like they have provided a solution and minimised any further damage to the code. Instead of blaming FFA for all of this how about condemn the action of the twats who put FFA in this position in the first place. After looking at all the papers, TV footage and social media sites in the past 2 weeks, there is no way you can say these incidents didn't happen, FFA had no choice but to act. If it didn't it would look a hell of a lot worse than it is now. For anyone that is against any action enforced by FFA, it looks as though you are actually condoning the actions of the brain dead minority.

 

 

The FFA had many options rather than this heavy handed, media focused decision. The decision they have taken is the worst way to 'feed the media vultures'. They now have an oppurtunity to search for & highlight any small indiscretion (fact or fiction) & demand action. The way that the FFA has folded up in the face of this, suggests they will do so meakly again.

 

This should have remained a police matter. The most disturbing incident happened on public streets & is therefore the responsilbilty of police to investigate & charge appropriately.

 

The inappropriate actions of certain MV fans has been condemned & this is the clearly the main issue in this saga. Why you say differently is strange.

 

The FFA has had many oppurtunities to make a stance against violence - the Melbourne Heart king hit that was captured live on TV inside the ground or the ESFC / MV stabbing incident. But instead, they have chosen to make a stand here? Most fans on here are asking why now? Where was our warning? This is a huge can of worms that has unnessarily opened by a weak FFA, petrified of a rabid MSM.

 

So then you have no problem with heavy police presence and over the top security, like we have experienced all year at Wanderland? You can't have it both ways.

Or will that be your whinge for next week?

You are choosing to forget the fact that both clubs were charged with bringing the game into disrepute by illegal and anti social behaviour by a minority group from both sets of fans, no matter how minor or 'major' your opinion is of each offence.

Just like many others here you chose to have a biased and baseless opinion which is a blurred vision of truth as if they have smoke in their eyes.

 

No one is suggesting that the images that were shown in the media were a positive for the game & therefore they could be considered as bringing the game into disrepute. What you fail to see or understand, are the circumstances that brought about the situation (who was really at fault, I'll let you try & figure out who that is) and the consequences of it (the inconsistant punishment). What we arguing here is the penalty of the actions, not the actions themselves. You are in support of the FFA's punishment, I am not. The other stuff you typed was simply dribble, but i guess i will try & address it.

The nature of your first sentence suggests that you too feel that heavy police presence & over the top security is an issue. It is pretty easy to look at the situation case by case and make a determination. Do i feel use of PolAir, mounted police & the riot squad was over the top for a friendly in Penrith? Um yeah. Do i find that filming people as they make their way to & from the ground, pervasive as well as over the top? Again, yes. Do i find the lack of any security or police presence at a licensed venue for a large group of interstate fans, totally irresponsible, bordering on negligent. Yes.

In contrast to what you suggest, i have not forgotton anything, nor are my opinions any more biased or baseless than your own.

There is no point in arguing with FFA, and there is no point to actually object to them. FFA has adopted a nanny state mentality. The ambush of the pub is a law enforcement matter, not a football matter, but FFA felt it had to take charge. The flare issue is a matter between the club and the fan base as well as whoever runs the show at the stadium. Again, FFA felt they had to butt in. The damage is done now, and FFA has put itself in a position where it needs to act to not lose face. Typical white anglo show off buffhead behaviour, from where I am sitting. However, chances are that it'll all blow over.

DeBohun does not understand the game, and he did sound unconvincing and quite moronic in his press conference last week. However, Gallop is not stupid. He knew how to make the NRL financially sing, and he'll do the same for and with the A-League. To protect the brand name "A-League", FFA felt it had to react. Not because there is an actual problem in football, but it is the perception people and the media have. The ethnic past hangs over the HAL like a stale old fart, and FFA went into damage control the way these non-football types understand to do it - digging out the "bringing the game into disrepute" line.

Popovic mentioned after the last match in Melbourne how the Victory vs Wanderers rivalry adds to the excitement of the game, and considers the "very small minority" of troublemakers within the WSW support camp as "irrelevant". Wise words, and maybe the most intelligent comments which have been made since Dec 28th. We now have a situation where future matches between VIC and WSW are likely to be sell outs. Ground filled to capacity means growth. It will lead to a gradual shift in perception. It means higher TV rating figures. It will mean different TV deals. That's what really matters, and  FFA, VIC, and WSW all know it.

The game in Australia is in a phase of transformation, and these FFA sanctions (regardless of if they are being executed or not) are merely a speedhump. The WSW/RBB combo has shaken up the HAL big time. Now there is a world cup looming, and in a year's time we'll be talking Asia Cup. Football here will never be the same again after these events, and one day in the future we might even end up with administrators which actually breathe and live football, and have not been contaminated by Union, League, AFL, and Cricket. We live in hope.