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    Wanderers Sale Confirmed


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    The Western Sydney Wanderers have been sold to a consortium lead by Primo Smallgoods owner Paul Lederer, Pirtek founder Peter Duncan, Jefferson Cheng and an un-named fourth party. The new ownership will take over at the start of the new financial year.

     

    The sale has been under negotiations for months finally cleared the final hurdle and will be completed on the 30th of June 2014.

    Three of the new owners all have a measure of existing input and connection to the Wanderers. Lederer is an existing member of the Wanderers boardroom, Duncan's company Pirtek recently purchased the naming rights for Parramatta Stadium, and Cheng is a director of the International Strikers & Goalkeeper academies, who are high level corporate partners for the Wanderers in this current season.

     

    The FFA began the process of selling the club in June 2013, by appointing UBS to managed the sale of the club. Negotiations were hard fought, with the consortium sticking to their guns on the length of the license (clubs licenses in the A-League are not perpetual and must be renewed) and a reduction in sale price from the FFA's preferred mark of $15 million down to a figure less than $12 million.

     

    With the club tipped to come close to a break-even or even a profit this season, it is unlikely the new owners will have to do much if any cost-cutting should they want to achieve a profit in their first season of ownership.

     

    Executive Chairman Lyall Gorman is rumoured to be leaving the club to take over Melbourne Victory at the end of the season and may need to be replaced. Assistant Manager Ante Milicic is another member of the current staff who is confirmed to be leaving, with ex-Sydney FC manager Ian Crook rumoured to have agreed to take on the role next season.

     

    The new owners will have roughly a month to come to grips with their new ownership before the pre-season starts in earnest. As yet no information on any future investment or any plans the consortium have for the club has come to light.

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    Ive got a bad feeling for next season, papers reporting polenz is the next player gone. (although the DT talk ****, its still a concern).

    He is gone already. he asked for 350k, Popa said no way. That was the end of it.

    Bigdukes mentioned 500k, if that wasn't already the end of it

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    Ive got a bad feeling for next season, papers reporting polenz is the next player gone. (although the DT talk ****, its still a concern).

    He is gone already. he asked for 350k, Popa said no way. That was the end of it.

    Fair enough. Maybe 300k, certainly 250, not 350.

    I'm glad Popas firm on these things tbh. Just means we have the odd half-arsed effort from the players that are leaving.

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    Ive got a bad feeling for next season, papers reporting polenz is the next player gone. (although the DT talk ****, its still a concern).

    He is gone already. he asked for 350k, Popa said no way. That was the end of it.

    Fair enough. Maybe 300k, certainly 250, not 350.

    I'm glad Popas firm on these things tbh. Just means we have the odd half-arsed effort from the players that are leaving.

     

    In popa We Trust. 

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    All I wanna see next season is a good marquee player and some other talent signings within the team.

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    SO PUMPED FOR TOMORROW ACL GAME. HOPE WEATHER IS GOOD.

    More rain like saturday

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    So when will we hear something from our new overlords?

    But ive always been here? (4th Unknown Entity is mee)

    $3million in Balkanite beer vouchers is alot, now bring back Sir Dino for unlimited Balkanite beer vouchers.

    Lets hope our new owners can keep our club community orientated and also support our RBB unlike FFA. Lets hope our new owners are genuine not just looking for a profit churning out merchandise and raising membership price etc. Time will tell

    Still would like to see club offer small percentage offered to us the fans to buy in the future but highly unlikely

    I wonder who is the 4th owner, I heard it was a businessman from a Hong Kong financial firm who wishes to remain anonymous due to commitments to another club in Asia.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNrovLl6988

    Balkanite = Ric Flare

    Dino = Steve Austin

    :woah:

     

     

    Wooooooooooooooo!

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    What gets me is that no one is commenting that this consortium is full of Lowy's lap boys. Why has the FFA bowed, kneeled to Lowy's mates ? The answer is there for all to see, do they think we are that stupid!!!!!!!

    The Wanderers are a community club which was hinted by the FFA that we would have an opportunity to buy into and have board representation, this now has been totally brushed aside for Lowy's mates to control the Wanderers cash cow. I have been in since day 1 and it is a sad day we, the true Wanderers fans don't hold the FFA to account. What will happen to our beloved RRB, has that been discussed, why weren't we the members asked to contribute to the selection of the owners. $10000000 is the figure being discussed, the true figure should be between $15000000 & $18000000. Again a massive underwriting of our value so Lowy's mates can get a bargain,also the mystery 4th buyer is a mate of Lowy's from England.

    Now lets start a debate!!!!! I love reading all you guys and this is my first posting since I signed up, but please don't ignore how important this issue is.

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    That's the House of the Rising Sun.

     The House of the Rising Sun was a brothel.

     

    The Land of the Rising Sun is Japan.

     

    Just be a wee bit careful when having a beer and a chat with our Japanese brothers tomorrow night.

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    Ive got a bad feeling for next season, papers reporting polenz is the next player gone. (although the DT talk ****, its still a concern).

    He is gone already. he asked for 350k, Popa said no way. That was the end of it.

    Fair enough. Maybe 300k, certainly 250, not 350.

    I'm glad Popas firm on these things tbh. Just means we have the odd half-arsed effort from the players that are leaving.

     

    In Popa We Trust. 

     

    Popa's making incredibly big calls giving up our four most gifted and influential players: Ono, Mooy, Polenz and Hersi. Okay they've all blown a bit hot and cold this season but take them out and we're left with a team of journeymen (assuming Spiranovic moves on). Juric might yet reach the same level of influence but he's very much a work in progress. If Popa doesn't replace those four with equally influential players then the glorious start to his coaching career is very likely to slide as rapidly as our status and place in the A-League.

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    Ive got a bad feeling for next season, papers reporting polenz is the next player gone. (although the DT talk ****, its still a concern).

    He is gone already. he asked for 350k, Popa said no way. That was the end of it.

    Fair enough. Maybe 300k, certainly 250, not 350.

    I'm glad Popas firm on these things tbh. Just means we have the odd half-arsed effort from the players that are leaving.

     

    In Popa We Trust. 

     

    Popa's making incredibly big calls giving up our four most gifted and influential players: Ono, Mooy, Polenz and Hersi. Okay they've all blown a bit hot and cold this season but take them out and we're left with a team of journeymen (assuming Spiranovic moves on). Juric might yet reach the same level of influence but he's very much a work in progress. If Popa doesn't replace those four with equally influential players then the glorious start to his coaching career is very likely to slide as rapidly as our status and place in the A-League.

     

     

    Or shoot to magical new heights if he finds amazing replacements. Options open.

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    Ive got a bad feeling for next season, papers reporting polenz is the next player gone. (although the DT talk ****, its still a concern).

     

    He is gone already. he asked for 350k, Popa said no way. That was the end of it.

    Fair enough. Maybe 300k, certainly 250, not 350.

    I'm glad Popas firm on these things tbh. Just means we have the odd half-arsed effort from the players that are leaving.

    In Popa We Trust.

    Popa's making incredibly big calls giving up our four most gifted and influential players: Ono, Mooy, Polenz and Hersi. Okay they've all blown a bit hot and cold this season but take them out and we're left with a team of journeymen (assuming Spiranovic moves on). Juric might yet reach the same level of influence but he's very much a work in progress. If Popa doesn't replace those four with equally influential players then the glorious start to his coaching career is very likely to slide as rapidly as our status and place in the A-League.

    It is debatable about how much we will miss those. From my observations this year Shinji has slowed down quite a bit. Next season would be even more so. Yes he is all class, but the goals don't seem to be coming even with him on the field. I think we can find a young number 10 for good value with speed and skill. We won't lose too much with that.

     

    Polenz a good overlapping right back. But has been a bit suspect in defence this season. Looks like Mullen will replace him. What we will lose in attack we will probably gain in defence.

     

    Hersi a big loss. However I believe one of Kubi or Gol Gol will come through in that position. But for mine he will probably be the biggest loss.

     

    Mooy is a good player on his day, however for me still has a lot of weaknesses in his game. LaRocca/Poljak has always been our strongest defensive midfield pairing. Also have a some good young guys coming through in those positions. Whatever happened to Perkatis by the way?

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    What gets me is that no one is commenting that this consortium is full of Lowy's lap boys. Why has the FFA bowed, kneeled to Lowy's mates ? The answer is there for all to see, do they think we are that stupid!!!!!!!

    The Wanderers are a community club which was hinted by the FFA that we would have an opportunity to buy into and have board representation, this now has been totally brushed aside for Lowy's mates to control the Wanderers cash cow. I have been in since day 1 and it is a sad day we, the true Wanderers fans don't hold the FFA to account. What will happen to our beloved RRB, has that been discussed, why weren't we the members asked to contribute to the selection of the owners. $10000000 is the figure being discussed, the true figure should be between $15000000 & $18000000. Again a massive underwriting of our value so Lowy's mates can get a bargain,also the mystery 4th buyer is a mate of Lowy's from England.

    Now lets start a debate!!!!! I love reading all you guys and this is my first posting since I signed up, but please don't ignore how important this issue is.

    I posted this earlier

     

    Nobody will know how that will turn out until the owners make decisions and we hear from them in a fan forum. We can only hope that it will be a good thing if they build on the good work the existing officials at the club have laid down in the past two years.

    I think you have to understand that lyall is one of lowy's mates too and he didn't do too bad a job. A key difference is that lowy's men from the beginning fracked up esfc from the beginning. At least with our club we have two years of good ground work laid down before one of his mates has come in to stuff it up.

     

    I think we have to wait and see what happens, with the decisions they make and what they say at the next fan forum. Not until that point can we pass judgement on our new owners or say how bad it will be until that point in time.

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    I don't know about anyone else here, but I am just glad that we have people willing to invest in this club. Imagine we came down the bottom of the table to average crowds of 8,000 and nobody wanted us. FFA would have eventually pulled the plug. I'm just happy to have a secure future and a team to support.

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    the only upset i get is that it was always going to be a club for the fans, and being told by FFA most likely that a fan based ownership model was the way forward with at least 50% of the club or a smaller share being owned by fans. Of course they realised once they saw the amount of fans that we quickly amased and how willing we are to travel and spend on merchandise than all of a sudden the $ symbols begun running into the FFA's blood cells and the value of the club rose in their eyes to at least $10 million mark. Thus making it more impossible for the fans to gain a share of WSW.

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    This entire process has been nothing short of farcical.Cronyism on display. 

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    the only upset i get is that it was always going to be a club for the fans, and being told by FFA most likely that a fan based ownership model was the way forward with at least 50% of the club or a smaller share being owned by fans. Of course they realised once they saw the amount of fans that we quickly amased and how willing we are to travel and spend on merchandise than all of a sudden the $ symbols begun running into the FFA's blood cells and the value of the club rose in their eyes to at least $10 million mark. Thus making it more impossible for the fans to gain a share of WSW.

    There was no way we were ever going to be owned by the fans. We were blinded by our own ambitions and illusions that we were somehow this huge club with this humongous supporter base. Whilst 2nd/3rd on the table we are getting a pitiful 12,000 to our games now. People not bothering to turn up. People leaving early at games. Yes we buy merchandise. But all that means is that our kit and colours look good. The Wanderers phenomenon has caught on, but it won't last forever. That's when you need someone else willing to pump money into the club and cover the losses.

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    the only upset i get is that it was always going to be a club for the fans, and being told by FFA most likely that a fan based ownership model was the way forward with at least 50% of the club or a smaller share being owned by fans. Of course they realised once they saw the amount of fans that we quickly amased and how willing we are to travel and spend on merchandise than all of a sudden the $ symbols begun running into the FFA's blood cells and the value of the club rose in their eyes to at least $10 million mark. Thus making it more impossible for the fans to gain a share of WSW.

    There was no way we were ever going to be owned by the fans. We were blinded by our own ambitions and illusions that we were somehow this huge club with this humongous supporter base. Whilst 2nd/3rd on the table we are getting a pitiful 12,000 to our games now. People not bothering to turn up. People leaving early at games. Yes we buy merchandise. But all that means is that our kit and colours look good. The Wanderers phenomenon has caught on, but it won't last forever. That's when you need someone else willing to pump money into the club and cover the losses.

     

    I have not heard anything about anyone or any group putting out a consortium or trust of the like for fans to register to be part of the ownership. Until any news of it starting, then I will no sit on the blame FFA or Club for looking at the $ symbol only.

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    What gets me is that no one is commenting that this consortium is full of Lowy's lap boys. Why has the FFA bowed, kneeled to Lowy's mates ? The answer is there for all to see, do they think we are that stupid!!!!!!!

    The Wanderers are a community club which was hinted by the FFA that we would have an opportunity to buy into and have board representation, this now has been totally brushed aside for Lowy's mates to control the Wanderers cash cow. I have been in since day 1 and it is a sad day we, the true Wanderers fans don't hold the FFA to account. What will happen to our beloved RRB, has that been discussed, why weren't we the members asked to contribute to the selection of the owners. $10000000 is the figure being discussed, the true figure should be between $15000000 & $18000000. Again a massive underwriting of our value so Lowy's mates can get a bargain,also the mystery 4th buyer is a mate of Lowy's from England.

    Now lets start a debate!!!!! I love reading all you guys and this is my first posting since I signed up, but please don't ignore how important this issue is.

    There are some good points you raise there but also let's make it clear that the issue is not Lowy and his mates.

     

    Lowy might have been a dictator at SFC and ruined much of the good work done there in the early days, but with WSW it has been a totally different story. WSW has always had the fans best interests in mind when making the key decisions. Lowy made key decisions at SFC without consulting the major stakeholders.

     

    From what I see, Lederer already has an intimate knowledge of the club's values and so should understand how to best run the club. Lederer was also involved previously with the mariners which is a community club and was very successful when he was involved.

     

    The key thing to remember is this - Lowy was heavily involved in the formation of SFC and WSW, yet WSW fans despise SFC. It tells you something doesn't it - it doesn't matter who the owner is. What matters is what the owner does. Some amazing work was done at WSW which got the fans onboard despite who the owner was.

     

    Let's just hope that whoever the owner is, the club is run the right way. So far there doesn't seem to be anything to worry about.

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    So Melbourne Victory have now poached arguably the best striker (Berisha) the best coach (Ange) and now the best administrator (Lyall).

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    We need to remember the FFA is a very conservative organisation with very much a "do your mate a favor" philosophy.

     

    This was seen with Melbourne Heart and the failed Sydney Rovers bid where the gig was given to Lowy and Buckleys mate at the time. Other bids were plagiarized and the best bits taken to they could added to their mates bids.

     

    Why was the Rovers was the bid given a green light in such a short period of time when other bids were working on it for years.The Rovers had no backers unlike the other bids. It was a sham. The name was chosen because the leader of the bid liked the name (so much for community consultation).

     

    Similarly some of MH bid was lifted from the Knights attempt to get into the A-league.

     

    You can see how the FFA work. This whole selection with Ange for national coach - with Popa and Arnold considered was all cr@p. The choice was already made. It was the illusion of a process.

     

    The "grant" the FFA got from the previous government was not a "grant". It was another bailout because the FFA was on the verge of bankruptcy.

     

    Lowy pulled some strings.

     

    And so we came to the Wanderers. The FFA had to change the way it did things. Why? Because if it didn't get the Wanderers right there was a very good chance the A-league would have been finished.

     

    To a large degree they had to change how they treated and viewed fans and engaged the community. They had no choice.

     

    As for fan involvement in ownership of our club.

     

    Well, that was one leap too far for this type of organisation.

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    We need to remember the FFA is a very conservative organisation with very much a "do your mate a favor" philosophy.

     

    This was seen with Melbourne Heart and the failed Sydney Rovers bid where the gig was given to Lowy and Buckleys mate at the time. Other bids were plagiarized and the best bits taken to they could added to their mates bids.

     

    Why was the Rovers was the bid given a green light in such a short period of time when other bids were working on it for years.The Rovers had no backers unlike the other bids. It was a sham. The name was chosen because the leader of the bid liked the name (so much for community consultation).

     

    Similarly some of MH bid was lifted from the Knights attempt to get into the A-league.

     

    You can see how the FFA work. This whole selection with Ange for national coach - with Popa and Arnold considered was all cr@p. The choice was already made. It was the illusion of a process.

     

    The "grant" the FFA got from the previous government was not a "grant". It was another bailout because the FFA was on the verge of bankruptcy.

     

    Lowy pulled some strings.

     

    And so we came to the Wanderers. The FFA had to change the way it did things. Why? Because if it didn't get the Wanderers right there was a very good chance the A-league would have been finished.

     

    To a large degree they had to change how they treated and viewed fans and engaged the community. They had no choice.

     

    As for fan involvement in ownership of our club.

     

    Well, that was one leap too far for this type of organisation.

    If I recall correctly the Rovers had a major asian investor behind them which is why they were given the green light. The GFC hit , Asian backer pulled out and Rovers folded, so you are incorrect.

    I don't know much about Heart.

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    We need to remember the FFA is a very conservative organisation with very much a "do your mate a favor" philosophy.

     

    This was seen with Melbourne Heart and the failed Sydney Rovers bid where the gig was given to Lowy and Buckleys mate at the time. Other bids were plagiarized and the best bits taken to they could added to their mates bids.

     

    Why was the Rovers was the bid given a green light in such a short period of time when other bids were working on it for years.The Rovers had no backers unlike the other bids. It was a sham. The name was chosen because the leader of the bid liked the name (so much for community consultation).

     

    Similarly some of MH bid was lifted from the Knights attempt to get into the A-league.

     

    You can see how the FFA work. This whole selection with Ange for national coach - with Popa and Arnold considered was all cr@p. The choice was already made. It was the illusion of a process.

     

    The "grant" the FFA got from the previous government was not a "grant". It was another bailout because the FFA was on the verge of bankruptcy.

     

    Lowy pulled some strings.

     

    And so we came to the Wanderers. The FFA had to change the way it did things. Why? Because if it didn't get the Wanderers right there was a very good chance the A-league would have been finished.

     

    To a large degree they had to change how they treated and viewed fans and engaged the community. They had no choice.

     

    As for fan involvement in ownership of our club.

     

    Well, that was one leap too far for this type of organisation.

    If I recall correctly the Rovers had a major asian investor behind them which is why they were given the green light. The GFC hit , Asian backer pulled out and Rovers folded, so you are incorrect.

    I don't know much about Heart.

     

    That was the problem with the Rovers, they were given the green light without any real assurance from investors. Relying on someone possibly backing up a team if times are good financially was always going to be a poor decision, you can't simply be given a license without having the start up franchise fee and promising the A-League we don't have the cash but were relying on someone to lend us the cash so we should be sweet!

    Here's a interesting article from the archives;

    If there was ever any doubt the flawed Sydney Rovers bid for admission to the 2010/2011 A-League season is doomed for failure, then Sunday’s poor crowd of 6,654 at Parramatta Stadium for the Sydney FC-Perth Glory match made sure there was no extra appetite for reviving the bid.

     

    Sunday’s game represented a great opportunity for the western Sydney market to remind the Football Federation Australia (FFA) of its potential and perhaps even give the FFA extra motivation to try and make the bid work for next season.

     

    But the meagre crowd of a tick over 6,500 fans won’t have the FFA rushing into anything.

     

    And that’s probably for the best, given the failure of Sydney Rovers chairman Ian Rowden to actually build anything since the A-League licence was given to the franchise in September last year.

     

    But questions have to be asked why the attendance for a one-off game in an area we are told is football-mad was so poor?

     

    I’ve heard claims the western Sydney public don’t identify with Sydney FC. In my opinion, there’s probably some substance to that.

     

    And if that is true then that gives some hope to a real rivalry forming in Sydney if the FFA can get their new outfit organised in the correct manner.

     

    But, it seems, doing that is the tricky part.

     

    Sydney Rovers might have built some real momentum with a presence at Sunday’s fixture. Selling memberships, merchandise, introducing players, whatever.

     

    Instead, Rowden and Rovers chief executive designate Scott Duxbury are busy working with the FFA trying to find investors to fund their franchise, to find out if they can even get off the ground for next season.

     

    I’m told through reports from those who attended Sunday’s game, the only Rovers presence at Parramatta Stadium was a handful of Rovers fans who brought two banners to the game which read “Give us our team†and “The west is waiting, the east is fading. Cashed-up FFA come to the Rovers party.â€

     

    I must stress, though, it was only a handful of Rovers supporters and unfortunately for them, it is hard to see them getting their wishes. In fact the paltry number of them is almost damning for the Rovers case.

     

    It was almost a fortnight ago A-League boss Lyall Gorman met with Rowden and Duxbury and from that November 12 meeting Gorman admitted the franchise still had a long way to go.

     

    Interestingly, at this stage in the creation of the A-League’s other expansion clubs, Gold Coast United, North Queensland Fury and Melbourne Heart, all three had announced coaches, headquarters and a number of squad signings.

     

    And all these clubs were generating excitement by this time of the year about their entrance into the A-League.

     

    It was common knowledge United were chasing Socceroo Jason Culina to be their marquee man, while owner Clive Palmer was flamboyantly assembling a top-quality squad including players such as Shane Smeltz.

     

    Fury had signed their marquee man Jade North, before soon switching their attention to Scott Chipperfield and Robbie Fowler, while Heart’s approach to differentiate themselves from Victory had them luring European coaches to AAMI Park along with some cultured talent on the pitch.

     

    At this stage, the only announcements Rovers have made have been superficial; their name, logo and colours.

     

    And those announcements were made a long time, meaning the club has lost momentum. Since then, there’s been no hype about the club and opportunities such as Sundays are being missed as the uncertainty about their future remains.

     

    So there’s no doubt Sydney Rovers are behind the eight-ball. We know that.

     

    Nevertheless, Gorman said a fortnight ago: “It has been shown that you can get a club up and running in four or five months.â€

     

    But I can’t agree with that statement looking at Rovers’ relative development in comparison to the other expansion clubs and how those clubs have fared since joining the A-League.

     

    They might find their investors in the next few weeks but grabbing attention, winning fans and generating hype and publicity in the A-League is a tough gig, let alone building a squad when you haven’t even announced a coach.

     

    There’s no doubt western Sydney is an important market for the A-League, but if the FFA wants to get it right there, then the decision has got to be made to delay Rovers’ entry once and for all.

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    Great article... Who wrote it?

     

    Also, Scott duxbury involved? I did not know this. No wonder it was rubbish.

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    We need to remember the FFA is a very conservative organisation with very much a "do your mate a favor" philosophy.

     

    This was seen with Melbourne Heart and the failed Sydney Rovers bid where the gig was given to Lowy and Buckleys mate at the time. Other bids were plagiarized and the best bits taken to they could added to their mates bids.

     

    Why was the Rovers was the bid given a green light in such a short period of time when other bids were working on it for years.The Rovers had no backers unlike the other bids. It was a sham. The name was chosen because the leader of the bid liked the name (so much for community consultation).

     

    Similarly some of MH bid was lifted from the Knights attempt to get into the A-league.

     

    You can see how the FFA work. This whole selection with Ange for national coach - with Popa and Arnold considered was all cr@p. The choice was already made. It was the illusion of a process.

     

    The "grant" the FFA got from the previous government was not a "grant". It was another bailout because the FFA was on the verge of bankruptcy.

     

    Lowy pulled some strings.

     

    And so we came to the Wanderers. The FFA had to change the way it did things. Why? Because if it didn't get the Wanderers right there was a very good chance the A-league would have been finished.

     

    To a large degree they had to change how they treated and viewed fans and engaged the community. They had no choice.

     

    As for fan involvement in ownership of our club.

     

    Well, that was one leap too far for this type of organisation.

    If I recall correctly the Rovers had a major asian investor behind them which is why they were given the green light. The GFC hit , Asian backer pulled out and Rovers folded, so you are incorrect.

    I don't know much about Heart.

     

    That was the problem with the Rovers, they were given the green light without any real assurance from investors. Relying on someone possibly backing up a team if times are good financially was always going to be a poor decision, you can't simply be given a license without having the start up franchise fee and promising the A-League we don't have the cash but were relying on someone to lend us the cash so we should be sweet!

    Here's a interesting article from the archives;

    If there was ever any doubt the flawed Sydney Rovers bid for admission to the 2010/2011 A-League season is doomed for failure, then Sunday’s poor crowd of 6,654 at Parramatta Stadium for the Sydney FC-Perth Glory match made sure there was no extra appetite for reviving the bid.

     

    Sunday’s game represented a great opportunity for the western Sydney market to remind the Football Federation Australia (FFA) of its potential and perhaps even give the FFA extra motivation to try and make the bid work for next season.

     

    But the meagre crowd of a tick over 6,500 fans won’t have the FFA rushing into anything.

     

    And that’s probably for the best, given the failure of Sydney Rovers chairman Ian Rowden to actually build anything since the A-League licence was given to the franchise in September last year.

     

    But questions have to be asked why the attendance for a one-off game in an area we are told is football-mad was so poor?

     

    I’ve heard claims the western Sydney public don’t identify with Sydney FC. In my opinion, there’s probably some substance to that.

     

    And if that is true then that gives some hope to a real rivalry forming in Sydney if the FFA can get their new outfit organised in the correct manner.

     

    But, it seems, doing that is the tricky part.

     

    Sydney Rovers might have built some real momentum with a presence at Sunday’s fixture. Selling memberships, merchandise, introducing players, whatever.

     

    Instead, Rowden and Rovers chief executive designate Scott Duxbury are busy working with the FFA trying to find investors to fund their franchise, to find out if they can even get off the ground for next season.

     

    I’m told through reports from those who attended Sunday’s game, the only Rovers presence at Parramatta Stadium was a handful of Rovers fans who brought two banners to the game which read “Give us our team†and “The west is waiting, the east is fading. Cashed-up FFA come to the Rovers party.â€

     

    I must stress, though, it was only a handful of Rovers supporters and unfortunately for them, it is hard to see them getting their wishes. In fact the paltry number of them is almost damning for the Rovers case.

     

    It was almost a fortnight ago A-League boss Lyall Gorman met with Rowden and Duxbury and from that November 12 meeting Gorman admitted the franchise still had a long way to go.

     

    Interestingly, at this stage in the creation of the A-League’s other expansion clubs, Gold Coast United, North Queensland Fury and Melbourne Heart, all three had announced coaches, headquarters and a number of squad signings.

     

    And all these clubs were generating excitement by this time of the year about their entrance into the A-League.

     

    It was common knowledge United were chasing Socceroo Jason Culina to be their marquee man, while owner Clive Palmer was flamboyantly assembling a top-quality squad including players such as Shane Smeltz.

     

    Fury had signed their marquee man Jade North, before soon switching their attention to Scott Chipperfield and Robbie Fowler, while Heart’s approach to differentiate themselves from Victory had them luring European coaches to AAMI Park along with some cultured talent on the pitch.

     

    At this stage, the only announcements Rovers have made have been superficial; their name, logo and colours.

     

    And those announcements were made a long time, meaning the club has lost momentum. Since then, there’s been no hype about the club and opportunities such as Sundays are being missed as the uncertainty about their future remains.

     

    So there’s no doubt Sydney Rovers are behind the eight-ball. We know that.

     

    Nevertheless, Gorman said a fortnight ago: “It has been shown that you can get a club up and running in four or five months.â€

     

    But I can’t agree with that statement looking at Rovers’ relative development in comparison to the other expansion clubs and how those clubs have fared since joining the A-League.

     

    They might find their investors in the next few weeks but grabbing attention, winning fans and generating hype and publicity in the A-League is a tough gig, let alone building a squad when you haven’t even announced a coach.

     

    There’s no doubt western Sydney is an important market for the A-League, but if the FFA wants to get it right there, then the decision has got to be made to delay Rovers’ entry once and for all.

     

     

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    Ive got a bad feeling for next season, papers reporting polenz is the next player gone. (although the DT talk ****, its still a concern).

    He is gone already. he asked for 350k, Popa said no way. That was the end of it.

    Fair enough. Maybe 300k, certainly 250, not 350.

    I'm glad Popas firm on these things tbh. Just means we have the odd half-arsed effort from the players that are leaving.

    In Popa We Trust.
    Popa's making incredibly big calls giving up our four most gifted and influential players: Ono, Mooy, Polenz and Hersi. Okay they've all blown a bit hot and cold this season but take them out and we're left with a team of journeymen (assuming Spiranovic moves on). Juric might yet reach the same level of influence but he's very much a work in progress. If Popa doesn't replace those four with equally influential players then the glorious start to his coaching career is very likely to slide as rapidly as our status and place in the A-League.

    It is debatable about how much we will miss those. From my observations this year Shinji has slowed down quite a bit. Next season would be even more so. Yes he is all class, but the goals don't seem to be coming even with him on the field. I think we can find a young number 10 for good value with speed and skill. We won't lose too much with that.

     

    Polenz a good overlapping right back. But has been a bit suspect in defence this season. Looks like Mullen will replace him. What we will lose in attack we will probably gain in defence.

     

    Hersi a big loss. However I believe one of Kubi or Gol Gol will come through in that position. But for mine he will probably be the biggest loss.

     

    Mooy is a good player on his day, however for me still has a lot of weaknesses in his game. LaRocca/Poljak has always been our strongest defensive midfield pairing. Also have a some good young guys coming through in those positions. Whatever happened to Perkatis by the way?

     

     

    Agreed on all points, what ever happened to Fofanah? He had a cracking debut against Adelaide this season.

     

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    We need to remember the FFA is a very conservative organisation with very much a "do your mate a favor" philosophy.

    This was seen with Melbourne Heart and the failed Sydney Rovers bid where the gig was given to Lowy and Buckleys mate at the time. Other bids were plagiarized and the best bits taken to they could added to their mates bids.

    Why was the Rovers was the bid given a green light in such a short period of time when other bids were working on it for years.The Rovers had no backers unlike the other bids. It was a sham. The name was chosen because the leader of the bid liked the name (so much for community consultation).

    Similarly some of MH bid was lifted from the Knights attempt to get into the A-league.

    You can see how the FFA work. This whole selection with Ange for national coach - with Popa and Arnold considered was all cr@p. The choice was already made. It was the illusion of a process.

    The "grant" the FFA got from the previous government was not a "grant". It was another bailout because the FFA was on the verge of bankruptcy.

    Lowy pulled some strings.

    And so we came to the Wanderers. The FFA had to change the way it did things. Why? Because if it didn't get the Wanderers right there was a very good chance the A-league would have been finished.

    To a large degree they had to change how they treated and viewed fans and engaged the community. They had no choice.

    As for fan involvement in ownership of our club.

    Well, that was one leap too far for this type of organisation.

     

    If I recall correctly the Rovers had a major asian investor behind them which is why they were given the green light. The GFC hit , Asian backer pulled out and Rovers folded, so you are incorrect.

    I don't know much about Heart.

    That was the problem with the Rovers, they were given the green light without any real assurance from investors. Relying on someone possibly backing up a team if times are good financially was always going to be a poor decision, you can't simply be given a license without having the start up franchise fee and promising the A-League we don't have the cash but were relying on someone to lend us the cash so we should be sweet!

    Here's a interesting article from the archives;

    If there was ever any doubt the flawed Sydney Rovers bid for admission to the 2010/2011 A-League season is doomed for failure, then Sunday’s poor crowd of 6,654 at Parramatta Stadium for the Sydney FC-Perth Glory match made sure there was no extra appetite for reviving the bid.[/size]Sunday’s game represented a great opportunity for the western Sydney market to remind the Football Federation Australia (FFA) of its potential and perhaps even give the FFA extra motivation to try and make the bid work for next season.[/size]But the meagre crowd of a tick over 6,500 fans won’t have the FFA rushing into anything.[/size]And that’s probably for the best, given the failure of Sydney Rovers chairman Ian Rowden to actually build anything since the A-League licence was given to the franchise in September last year.[/size]But questions have to be asked why the attendance for a one-off game in an area we are told is football-mad was so poor?[/size]I’ve heard claims the western Sydney public don’t identify with Sydney FC. In my opinion, there’s probably some substance to that.[/size]And if that is true then that gives some hope to a real rivalry forming in Sydney if the FFA can get their new outfit organised in the correct manner.[/size]But, it seems, doing that is the tricky part.[/size]Sydney Rovers might have built some real momentum with a presence at Sunday’s fixture. Selling memberships, merchandise, introducing players, whatever.[/size]Instead, Rowden and Rovers chief executive designate Scott Duxbury are busy working with the FFA trying to find investors to fund their franchise, to find out if they can even get off the ground for next season.[/size]I’m told through reports from those who attended Sunday’s game, the only Rovers presence at Parramatta Stadium was a handful of Rovers fans who brought two banners to the game which read “Give us our team†and “The west is waiting, the east is fading. Cashed-up FFA come to the Rovers party.â€[/size]I must stress, though, it was only a handful of Rovers supporters and unfortunately for them, it is hard to see them getting their wishes. In fact the paltry number of them is almost damning for the Rovers case.[/size]It was almost a fortnight ago A-League boss Lyall Gorman met with Rowden and Duxbury and from that November 12 meeting Gorman admitted the franchise still had a long way to go.[/size]Interestingly, at this stage in the creation of the A-League’s other expansion clubs, Gold Coast United, North Queensland Fury and Melbourne Heart, all three had announced coaches, headquarters and a number of squad signings.[/size]And all these clubs were generating excitement by this time of the year about their entrance into the A-League.[/size]It was common knowledge United were chasing Socceroo Jason Culina to be their marquee man, while owner Clive Palmer was flamboyantly assembling a top-quality squad including players such as Shane Smeltz.[/size]Fury had signed their marquee man Jade North, before soon switching their attention to Scott Chipperfield and Robbie Fowler, while Heart’s approach to differentiate themselves from Victory had them luring European coaches to AAMI Park along with some cultured talent on the pitch.[/size]At this stage, the only announcements Rovers have made have been superficial; their name, logo and colours.[/size]And those announcements were made a long time, meaning the club has lost momentum. Since then, there’s been no hype about the club and opportunities such as Sundays are being missed as the uncertainty about their future remains.[/size]So there’s no doubt Sydney Rovers are behind the eight-ball. We know that.[/size]Nevertheless, Gorman said a fortnight ago: “It has been shown that you can get a club up and running in four or five months.â€[/size]But I can’t agree with that statement looking at Rovers’ relative development in comparison to the other expansion clubs and how those clubs have fared since joining the A-League.[/size]They might find their investors in the next few weeks but grabbing attention, winning fans and generating hype and publicity in the A-League is a tough gig, let alone building a squad when you haven’t even announced a coach.[/size]There’s no doubt western Sydney is an important market for the A-League, but if the FFA wants to get it right there, then the decision has got to be made to delay Rovers’ entry once and for all.[/size]

     

    Who wrote that?!

    Ben Somerford

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    Who were the guys who turned up at that ESFC match stirring them up on behalf of Western Sydney ?

     

    Legends, absolute legends.

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    Who were the guys who turned up at that ESFC match stirring them up on behalf of Western Sydney ?

     

    Legends, absolute legends.

    the RBB :)

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