Jerome Polenz

 

I really rate JP

 

JP6 has been our best by a long shot this year. Transitions smoothly between attack and defence and has been solid as a rock.

Left wingers beware.

 

Welcome to the forum...

Dino pic + JP praise =     

he is off to a very good start, welcome!

Would he consider a return to Germany if a German club came in for him?

He seems very happy here in the west. Maybe later in his career it would be a nice move for him.

Would he consider a return to Germany if a German club came in for him?

im sure it would depend on which club it was

best RB in the league.

by a fair stretch as well.

 

Would he consider a return to Germany if a German club came in for him?

 

im sure it would depend on which club it was

 

To be honest like Thomas Broich he probably has little to no chance to go back to Germany. Look at it this way, he has already had BL1 & BL2 experience with 3 clubs in total, had injury problems and is now 27. From the Bundesliga clubs' perspective why invest in trying to lure back a guy who is not necessarily going to have the hunger or the youthful qualities that thousands of current late teens in Germany plus across Europe and of course outside the continent have. Then from Jerome's point of view he has a good club, hopefully a decent contract, from all accounts is enjoying his life here and can play as well as he can and gets noticed time and time again by the local press, fans etc (whilst he would just merge into the mass back in Germany).

I think like all fair to middling players in the best leagues, when they find a niche that suits them and have reached their pinnacle of achievement at a later age the need to prove oneself back in a top shelf club goes out the door. Throw in the sheer competitiveness of the market in Germany (or for that matter in England, Spain, Italy, Netherlands, Scotland etc etc) is it any wonder someone like Jerome would find himself in a better position staying here. Perhaps when he gets older he might look at going back to Europe in general, or perhaps even try his luck elsewhere (Asia would be pretty lucrative for him, especially Japan/China/Kore/Middle East).

I think a great benefit we have is that Australia is a pretty awesome country. So if a player hits his straps here and is playing well, then really, there's no reason to leave at all!

For anyone who might've missed it...

JP on SBS

For anyone who might've missed it...

 

JP on SBS

 

I love this. What a down to earth guy! He can appreciate the good things in life, and that's why we love him.

Also glad he addressed that tackle. Some people shy away from their mistakes, but he's able to recognise that it wasn't his best moment and he needs to cut it out

Jerome said

"You never want to hurt anybody"

Which is true for most footballers......

Does anyone think that Jerome's tackling is bad?

Thought he was good against Heart not really going in for 50-50's too much. He made one bad challenge and the commentators, post match, shoot out and social media have jumped down his throat. Would hate all this media attention/pressure equates to more yellow cards for 50-50 challenges or a soft red card.

Does he change the way he approaches his game?

Jerome is a handsome saint that wouldn't hurt a fly, anything to the contrary is idiotic propaganda. 

Jerome is a handsome saint that wouldn't hurt a fly, anything to the contrary is idiotic propaganda.

Also the train didn't feel the need to tweet about it like a bitch...

Didn't see much in that card on Saturday night (hell, didn't know he got one till much later). Problem is the two cards he got beforehand (particularly that on Mabil in the Reds game) has as to be expected put him higher on the radar for the refs to go at. It's an occupational hazard for someone as motivated as JP, always there to do his best to blunt any attack (and with a GD of +5 he and the boys at the back are doing more things right than wrong).

I actually tweeted to Bozza that he's negatively influencing public opinion of JP. After watching the replay of this weekend's challenge three or four times, it's plain as day that he's all eyes for the ball. Bozza agreed (read: pandered), but still said he (JP) needs to remove that from his game.

I said it earlier in the thread, but it's a shame the amount of influence these Fox commentators have sometimes. Issues are so rapidly escalated from opinion to gospel because they want to discuss anything controversial. 

I actually tweeted to Bozza that he's negatively influencing public opinion of JP. After watching the replay of this weekend's challenge three or four times, it's plain as day that he's all eyes for the ball. Bozza agreed (read: pandered), but still said he (JP) needs to remove that from his game.

 

I said it earlier in the thread, but it's a shame the amount of influence these Fox commentators have sometimes. Issues are so rapidly escalated from opinion to gospel because they want to discuss anything controversial. 

watch the same thing happen with NTS after bozza thinks he raised the elbow, even though rudan disagreed.

 

I actually tweeted to Bozza that he's negatively influencing public opinion of JP. After watching the replay of this weekend's challenge three or four times, it's plain as day that he's all eyes for the ball. Bozza agreed (read: pandered), but still said he (JP) needs to remove that from his game.

 

I said it earlier in the thread, but it's a shame the amount of influence these Fox commentators have sometimes. Issues are so rapidly escalated from opinion to gospel because they want to discuss anything controversial.

 

 

watch the same thing happen with NTS after bozza thinks he raised the elbow, even though rudan disagreed.

 

Polenz vows to stick by style

 

Western Sydney Wanderers defender Jerome Polenz said he will not change his tackling style amid claims he may have overstepped the mark this season.

The German has been criticised for recent challenges on Sydney FC's Richard Garcia and Adelaide United's Aber Mawil - tackles which referees boss Ben Wilson said should have earned him red cards.

Polenz collected his fourth yellow card in the opening six rounds - one more will trigger a ban - for an accidental studs-high tackle on Melbourne Victory's James Troisi on Saturday.

The right-back is not letting the furore over his tackles prompt an introspective appraisal of his approach.

"I don't worry too much what people are saying about me because I know I am not a malicious player," Polenz said. "I will not change my style of play because it's all about doing what's best for the team.

"I think everybody can see it's never in my mind to hurt any player. I have never been like that. Of course I play hard because I play to win.

"People are trying to find ways to criticise us and now it's my turn to take it. No problem, I will cop that. I don't mind.

"If people are talking about this it just shows how big the A-League has become and that's a good thing."

Polenz has not spoken with his coach, Tony Popovic, about his approach this season and doesn't expect to hear any murmurs of disapproval from him.

"He hasn't said anything and I don't think the people around me at the club would want me to change either," Polenz said. "But I cannot control what other people outside the club are saying."

Polenz has held talks with the club over extending his contract beyond this season, explaining: "I am very open-minded on the future and of course I would like to stay here because it's a good environment for me.

"There are a lot of factors that can decide things but we have had some talks and I am sure the club will want to keep myself, Shinji Ono and Youssouf Hersi.

"There is enough time for the decisions to be made. We will see what happens."

Polenz believes those keen to find fault with the defending Premiers' Plate winner will continue to struggle to gain any traction.

"Everybody is trying to find something negative to say about us. But I don't see any negatives at all," he added.

"We are doing our job and we are getting results. People can talk about us as much as they want … we will just concentrate on winning games.

"We have a coach who demands the best in us every day and in terms of our mentality there is nobody in the league who can match us.

"There is no danger of us ever becoming complacent because we have so much we want to achieve this year."

Polenz is convinced league-leading Wanderers will beat second-placed Brisbane Roar at Suncorp Stadium on Friday to open up a five-point gap at the top.

"I am sure we can go up there and win. We want to get as many points as possible before the Asian Champions League begins early next year because that's going to leave not too much recovery time between games.

"They will be coming thick and fast. In my view we have added another dimension to our game this season. We have always been good at containing teams and playing on the counter-attack.

"But now we always have a plan B also and we are much better at a possession based game also, which gives us more options in every match.

"We are getting a lot more unpredictable and that makes us a more dangerous team. We don't rely on any one player - and anybody who comes in does a good job. I feel we have improved this season because of our versatility."

I guess my problem with this approach is that coaches, refs and players will highlight this to the point that he starts getting over-penalized with red and yellows for challenges which don't deserve cards.

And so it'll even itself out. For me the Garcia challenge was a yellow and two other tackles were red cards any day of the week. No question about it.

If Polenz wants the scrutiny to stop he has to alter his approach.

He's tackle on Troisi on the weekend was at least a yellow card, whether he had eyes for the ball or not

What a load of sh!t. The challenge against Troisi wasn't even going to be a yellow (nor should it have been, see below) until the worst a-league referee (now that Beath has gone AWOL) saw Troisi fiddling with his shorts and remembered hearing Bozza and Robbie Slater saying that he should be scrutinised more closely. Jones didn't even reach for a card until then, you could read the languorous cogitative process from the stands.

Yellow card offenses:

1. Unsporting behaviour - NO

2. Shows dissent - NO

3. Persistent infringement - NO

4. Delays restart - NO

5. Failure to retreat - NO

6. Enter field without permission - NO

7. Leave field without permission - NO

JP is my favourite WSW player, but it was 100% at least a yellow card.

he came in leg raised and got Troisi ABOVE the knee with his studs 

http://video.news.com.au/v/144301/Polenz-picks-up-a-yellow-card

JP is my favourite WSW player, but it was 100% at least a yellow card.

 

he came in leg raised and got Troisi ABOVE the knee with his studs 

 

http://video.news.com.au/v/144301/Polenz-picks-up-a-yellow-card

He's tackle on Troisi on the weekend was at least a yellow card, whether he had eyes for the ball or not

So you're saying serious foul play or violent conduct? In that case, straight red card. I don't agree with you, but if you were refereeing and that was your interpretation, under the laws of the game (you know, football) he'd have to go. I think, based on your comment (bold) above though, you don't think it was either. If a player is legitimately trying to win the ball and in the course of doing so commits a foul, then a free-kick is awarded. That's it. Nothing else necessary.

What a load of ****. The challenge against Troisi wasn't even going to be a yellow (nor should it have been, see below) until the worst a-league referee (now that Beath has gone AWOL) saw Troisi fiddling with his shorts and remembered hearing Bozza and Robbie Slater saying that he should be scrutinised more closely. Jones didn't even reach for a card until then, you could read the languorous cogitative process from the stands.

 

Yellow card offenses:

1. Unsporting behaviour - NO

2. Shows dissent - NO

3. Persistent infringement - NO

4. Delays restart - NO

5. Failure to retreat - NO

6. Enter field without permission - NO

7. Leave field without permission - NO

 

JP is my favourite WSW player, but it was 100% at least a yellow card.

 

he came in leg raised and got Troisi ABOVE the knee with his studs 

 

http://video.news.com.au/v/144301/Polenz-picks-up-a-yellow-card

 

 

He's tackle on Troisi on the weekend was at least a yellow card, whether he had eyes for the ball or not

 

So you're saying serious foul play or violent conduct? In that case, straight red card. I don't agree with you, but if you were refereeing and that was your interpretation, under the laws of the game (you know, football) he'd have to go. I think, based on your comment (bold) above though, you don't think it was either. If a player is legitimately trying to win the ball and in the course of doing so commits a foul, then a free-kick is awarded. That's it. Nothing else necessary.

 

okay guys

time for someone with a level 4 ffa refereeing qualification to set you all straight

I think it's a yellow card, basically.

Sometimes it just looks bad, and you have to give a card for it. I admit if I was refereeing and that happened - yellow card right away, it just looks bad.

If I had to put my finger on exactly why he was cautioned, I'm thinking either "kicks or attempts to kick an opponent" "recklessly" or "playing in a dangerous manner" "with an obvious risk of injury".

Also, yellow card offences includes the first seven direct free kick offences done in a 'reckless' manner (though that is in the referee's interpretation part of the book), though this falls under the umbrella of "unsporting behaviour".

I'll also say that there is leniency with yellow cards. For instance, if I had to give a 'soft' yellow card - like, maybe for taking a shirt off during goal celebrations - and the player did a challenge that might be worthy of a yellow (remember there is a gray area), I'd be more inclined to give one stern warning, and then a card. However, if the yellow card was for something like hoofing the ball into the stands and really wasting time and hence really getting on my nerves, if that player did something stupid again, then it's another yellow straight away - because I'm not having any of it.

So... don't think of yellow cards as "half way between red", because there is some leniency - because I'm sure most referees like keeping 11 on the field if possible.

Less paperwork for us

And so it'll even itself out. For me the Garcia challenge was a yellow and two other tackles were red cards any day of the week. No question about it.

 

If Polenz wants the scrutiny to stop he has to alter his approach.

He could have been sent off for any one of those challenges but wasn't, which should be the end of the story. Having said that where does JP say he wants the scrutiny to stop? And considering that there have been nasty challenges from other players at less successful clubs (e.g. Adelaide's  Elrich's effort during the game against them at Wanderland, also Muscat's body check of Mooy also against us for Wellington) that have got nowhere near the scrutiny you have to wonder how much of Polenz's yellows are copping flak because the Wanderers are being so successful. Or in Garcia's case you whinge like a baby after the game.

The real story should be how crap the referees were when they missed two red card offenses. When a player does something and gets away with it that's not the players fault, it's the referee's.

JP is featuring in Fox Sport's pre-game coverage tomorrow night. Will be intriguing to see if Bozza is shown or will be having a word or three with him.

Polenz should just snort if bozza tries to bad mouth him