Tomi Juric

I don't get the Tomi hate. Best Aussie #9 at the moment by a margin. Would trade 6 Kerems for a a Tomi and consider it good business.

I will never have a bad word for TJ...ever....

Saw him at Granata's tonight as I was leaving. Was with friends so didn't want to disturb his night. I get the feeling he knew my family were all wanderers supporters though lol

 

 

Socceroos hitman Tomi Juric could follow Aussie exodus to Belgian club Standard Liege

Date June 16, 2015 - 3:53PM

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Close to deal: Tomi Juric has been in demand from Asia and Europe.

BISHKEK: Clubless Socceroos striker Tomi Juric might finally be on the cusp of sealing his dream move to Europe with powerful Belgian club Standard Liege understood to have opened contract negotiations.

The 23-year old – who has so far refused to comment on any prospective deal – is a free agent after leaving the Western Sydney Wanderers at the end of the season, having spent two years under the guidance of Tony Popovic and transforming himself from a relatively unknown prospect to a household name with a string of explosive performances.

Belgian newspaper La Meuse is reporting that Juric has been contacted about making the move to Belgium, which many would view as the ideal entry point into Europe's best leagues.

After reportedly being rebuffed by KV Kortrijk's free-scoring Croatian forward Ivan Santini, said to be favouring a move to reigning domestic champions Genk, Liege have subsequently turned to Juric to boost their attacking stocks.

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The club has a deep affiliation for Australian strikers, having previously counted John Aloisi and Aurelio Vidmar on their books. Goalkeeper Michael Turnbull, most recently of Melbourne Victory, also spent a season there.

Juric has repeatedly been linked with moves abroad in the past year, most notably to China, where a deal was all but done to send the forward to Shanghai Shenhua in a transfer worth an estimated $1.5 million – with Juric due to earn a lucrative $10 million three-year contract.

That move, tabled early during the Asian Cup, subsequently collapsed before the end of the tournament and Juric ended up playing out the rest of the season with the Wanderers. He finished his career at Parramatta with 12 goals in 34 games, in addition to five goals in the Asian Champions League.

In Juric's absence at Shanghai, the club signed Socceroos marquee forward Tim Cahill instead.

Juric has been hugely in demand from both Europe and Asia ever since and showed no inclination to extend his stay at the Wanderers for a third season.

Were he to make the move to Liege, he would join a string of high profile Socceroos leaving their mark on the Belgian Pro League, with goalkeeper Mat Ryan starring at Club Brugge and winger James Troisi impressing this past year at Zulte Waregem, scoring five goals in 21 games.

Bernie Ibini, who spent the past season on loan with Sydney FC, has also just joined Ryan at Bruges after being sold by parent club Shanghai SIPG.

Standard Liege are historically one of the biggest clubs in Belgium, and the third-most successful behind the giant two, Club Bruges and Anderlecht. They've won 10 domestic league titles, six domestic cups and finished runner-up to Barcelona in the 1982 Cup Winners Cup.

Their midfield is presently anchored by Ricardo Faty, the brother of Sydney FC central defender Jacques Faty.

Juric is away on national team duty in Kyrgyzstan, where he will either start or – as is more likely – come off the bench in tonight's opening 2018 World Cup qualifier in Bishkek.

"We're expecting a warm welcome. I hear there are a lot of people interested in this game," Juric said. "Australia coming to Kyrgyzstan is the biggest thing that's happened in this country for a long time.

"It'll be exciting to see how things are going to turn out."

Great news for the kid, really hope it works out for him!! So glad it wasn't ESFC or Newcastie leading the headline!

Apparently Hull are bidding too

As Prydz said, as long as he goes overseas then goodbye, farewell, good luck!

Apparently Hull are bidding too

 

He would be better of in Belgium, the chips, beer and chocolate are better. 

Overseas fine, ESFC = no way in hell.

Belgium will be better for him than Hull IMO.

Richard Garcia went to hull and came back a whinging soft****

as much as I would NOT recommend anyone go to Hull ever for any reason - they will do a big squad cull after relegation I think so possibility of tomi taking advantage and getting regular time would be reasonable. plus if snodgrass is still there and back from injury he would put chances on a plate for him at champ level.

 

the risk would be that he won't handle the grind of 46 games + cup stuff in a very physical league. it seemed that popa was constantly having to nurse him through and manage his minutes to keep him on the park.

 

i really hope it works out for him (with the obvious disclaimer  - unless he goes to the smurfs). I wish we kept him. 

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/06/18/cahill-outer-shanghai-looks-shed-socceroos-star

 

 

Seems like Juric's agents are once again stuffing it up for him

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/06/18/cahill-outer-shanghai-looks-shed-socceroos-star

Seems like Juric's agents are once again stuffing it up for him

I read the same thing in another article a couple of days ago. It's not good. Some senior figure (eg Postecoglou) needs to sit him down and explain/tell him that he needs to take control of this situation with his agent/s and/or family members interfering. Otherwise his talent and potential will have been wasted. Clock is ticking Tomi

 

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/06/18/cahill-outer-shanghai-looks-shed-socceroos-star

Seems like Juric's agents are once again stuffing it up for him

I read the same thing in another article a couple of days ago. It's not good. Some senior figure (eg Postecoglou) needs to sit him down and explain/tell him that he needs to take control of this situation with his agent/s and/or family members interfering. Otherwise his talent and potential will have been wasted. Clock is ticking Tomi

 

 

Ange and Cahill being in Tomi's ear was the reason why he turned down the China deal.

 

 

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/06/18/cahill-outer-shanghai-looks-shed-socceroos-star

Seems like Juric's agents are once again stuffing it up for him

 

I read the same thing in another article a couple of days ago. It's not good. Some senior figure (eg Postecoglou) needs to sit him down and explain/tell him that he needs to take control of this situation with his agent/s and/or family members interfering. Otherwise his talent and potential will have been wasted. Clock is ticking Tomi

Ange and Cahill being in Tomi's ear was the reason why he turned down the China deal.

But I think you'd agree that the China deal would have been a bad one & Postecoglou was spot on in his advice - look at Cahill. In the weeks prior to him not signing to China there were stories coming out about issues with agents and his family potentially scuppering the deal & Shanghai almost pulled out because of it. Again this has happened and this time a club has pulled out because of agent/family interference. If Tomi asked Ange's advice about Belgium, he never would have said don't do it because Belgium is very different to China. Ange is all about player development because it benefits him as NT coach, Tomi's reps aren't doing the right thing by him if they are scuppering deals that would most likely benefit Tomi's footballing career. Someone with Ange's know how (it didn't has to be Ange) needs to step in Edited June 20, 2015 by Alexander

^^^^ 100% agree

 

The only thing I'd add is that something definitely is wrong when on two seperate occasions apparent agents acting on Tomi's behalf have ruined the deal for him. Fair enough the opportunity passed him in Asia which probably wasn't best for him but to ruin the opportunity to sign for a Belgium club was a big mistake, he isn't going to get many or any more opportunities like that again soon. Does anyone in the know exactly what is happening in this situation? Has Tomi contracted 2-3 agents to negotiate on his behalf & he will sign the deal which is best for him? Is that it? What am I missing here? How does having 2-3 agents benefit him?

Reminds me of the situation Bernard Tomic finds himself in. 

That was my first thought as well.

 

Well, the first thought was Jelena Dokic, but the second was Tomic.

It doesn't pyrdz, they will all want there % $$ of any deal and one can imagine how many bridges were burnt after a ten million dollar deal knock back.

 

For me Juric farked up not taking the deal as more players from Asia are picked up from the asian leagues than here waiting around in the a league, plus his size and ability against asian opponents during the acl tells me he would do well there and one good season could of promoted/bought him to an European club.

 

He should just suck it up and sign one more year for us but won't happen if he is expecting marque money then we could see him at the jets.

 

But I think you'd agree that the China deal would have been a bad one & Postecoglou was spot on in his advice

 

 

Who can say that it would have been bad for Juric to go to China? We'll never know, and by the sounds of it, neither will he.

 

However, IF the deal was as big as suggested at the time and IF Ange really talked Juric out of it then, in my view, it was an unethical thing to do by Ange.

 

There was no problem with Juric's agents/advisors (however many there may be) to sort out the deal with China. If their job/intention was to secure the best financial deal for him then they acted in his best interest, and did well. After all, it was a done deal.

 

Playing in China would have secured Juric's financial future. Even if he had only stayed two years he would have been a wealthy man. Instead he is now facing uncertainty both as a professional as well as financially.

 

But I think you'd agree that the China deal would have been a bad one & Postecoglou was spot on in his advice

 

Who can say that it would have been bad for Juric to go to China? We'll never know, and by the sounds of it, neither will he.

 

However, IF the deal was as big as suggested at the time and IF Ange really talked Juric out of it then, in my view, it was an unethical thing to do by Ange.

 

There was no problem with Juric's agents/advisors (however many there may be) to sort out the deal with China. If their job/intention was to secure the best financial deal for him then they acted in his best interest, and did well. After all, it was a done deal.

 

Playing in China would have secured Juric's financial future. Even if he had only stayed two years he would have been a wealthy man. Instead he is now facing uncertainty both as a professional as well as financially.

No one can say for sure, that's why when we're unsure of decisions we seek out advice from different people, which is what he did.

 

How is Ange unethical by giving advice? He wasn't the only one publicly & privately advising him not to go there. Publicly Ogenovski was one of the first to speak out. Saying that it would not be a good idea because of the little patience in China and if he doesn't perform straight away, he'd be quickly benched. And IF Ange gave his advice against it, it's not unethical. Tomi is a grown man, it was ultimately his decision to not go to China despite the influence of other stakeholders. You say Ange was unethical, IMO the only person that was unethical was Cahill, who after apparently getting in his ear then went to the same club he advised Tomi not to got to.

 

There were problems with the deal, which is why one of the agents involved spoke out publicly in this article: http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/01/02/10m-juric-deal-scuppered-family-interference . I'm not sure of the agents motivations for speaking out, but it certainly suggests that there were a number of behind the scenes issues. It doesn't take to much of an imagination to suggest that it's no coincidence that both deals have been mishandled by the same people interfering.

 

He's now facing uncertainty both financially and professionally for a number of reasons, but a lot of those he could have prevented himself. He chose to not take the silly money so that he could have another go at Europe. He played well enough to get Standard Leige interested, but his representatives have completely mishandled the deal & now he's future is still up in the air. As I posted earlier, the time had come where he must step in & take control of his own destiny. If he doesn't have a strong character, someone that does not have a personal financial stake in his future needs to sit him down and advise him that his representatives are hindering his future.

Edited June 20, 2015 by Alexander

 

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2015/06/18/cahill-outer-shanghai-looks-shed-socceroos-star

Seems like Juric's agents are once again stuffing it up for him

I read the same thing in another article a couple of days ago. It's not good. Some senior figure (eg Postecoglou) needs to sit him down and explain/tell him that he needs to take control of this situation with his agent/s and/or family members interfering. Otherwise his talent and potential will have been wasted. Clock is ticking Tomi

 

Unlike this year after the ACL.... 

Mandic is just bad news and always has been. (He is with mandic I'm assuming still).

Mandic is just bad news and always has been. (He is with mandic I'm assuming still).

(Woops.

 

Sound so nice me 'ave to play it twice.

Now lick it back again sound buoy...

 

But I think you'd agree that the China deal would have been a bad one & Postecoglou was spot on in his advice

 

Who can say that it would have been bad for Juric to go to China? We'll never know, and by the sounds of it, neither will he.

I disagree, we only have to look at Cahill's situation over there to see that it was never a good idea. His form in the second half of the season was average at best with only a few really good performances (not blaming the player, just the result of the season we've had) & probably would have found himself on the outer earlier than Timmy has done over there! I agree it was stupid not to take the money, secure his future & even if it didn't work out he'd be loaned out for the rest of his contract somewhere in Europe anyway!

 

I'm interested too on how it was unethical by Ange to advise Juric against the China move?

@Prydz/Alex

 

I wrote "IF the deal was as big as suggested at the time and IF Ange really talked Juric out of it then, in my view, it was an unethical thing to do by Ange."

 

They are big IFs.

 

You are a young, inexperienced guy working at Maccas, flipping burgers. Now you get an offer from a rival burger shop to flip burgers in China for at least ten times as much money. It is so much money that, if you were to work there for a couple of years, you would never have to flip burgers again.

 

The big Maccas boss hears about it, and convinces you that you'd be better off flipping burgers in Europe because it is better for you and for him to improve you burger flipping skills there. You consequently change your mind, but five months later, and only weeks before the burger flipping season starts, you are still unemployed, and you might end up at the local Hungry Jack's instead.

 

IF that's how it went: what kind of "advice" was that, given by an elder to a young impressionable man? It would have been a very different scenario if Juric had to make a decision between China and a rival European offer. But that wasn't the case. IF Ange really talked Juric out of such a lucrative one horse race: to me this is not advice, but irresponsible/selfish/morally wrong/unethical. And the same applies to Cahill IF that's how it went.

I agree on the Cahill point but disagree on the AP point.

 

If cahill was negotiating a deal with Shanghai in case the deal fell through with Juric then that's a massive no-no if Cahill was involved in giving advice to Juric! Massive ethical no-no!

 

If I boil down your analogy, you're saying if you get a big money offer that can set up your future you should take it no matter what & I strongly disagree with you. In East Asia, you're on big money, you are expected to perform & if you don't you'll get chewed up then spit out the other end. In Europe, you'll be on less money but the chance of taking your game to the next level under proper guidance is much higher than if you tried to play in East Asia even if you're not in the top leagues (Belgium, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, etc). I agree he runs the risk of burning all his bridges & ending up back in the aleague but I think the reward outweighs the risk (as long as you don't ruin opportunities that come your way through your agents ie Standard Liege negotiations)

 

If you remember back to January, Shanghai ended up cutting off negotiations after having a similar problem with too many agents acting on Tomi's behalf.

Prydz,

 

We are debating IFs/hypothetical matters, and we have to agree to disagree. It is easy for us to say that Juric should have done this or the other, that the reward outweighs the risk etc. We are not walking in his shoes, and our opinions and preferences matter stuff all when it comes to his career.

 

It may well be that he could do with better agents, but it may also be that Ange talked him out of a once in a lifetime opportunity. Regardless where Juric might end up: chances are he'll be on a fraction of the money he would have made in China. He might end up being a better football player because of it, or he might not. We'll never know. I just hope that he won't have any regrets when he looks back on his career.

 

I don't buy umbrella statements that China is no good and that everything is so much better in Europe. Who can say with certainty that Juric would not have flourished in Asia? Also, I am yet to see the careers of Zullo, Sarota, Oar, Amani, Rogic take off in Europe, and Juric may just join them on the bench.  What seems certain is that he has indeed burned his bridges with China, and that this door will never open for him again.

 

 

 

Seen some mumblings around the internet that says Tomi may be headed to Leiga Warsaw.

 

Might not be a bad option, they're a big club (in Poland), it's a league you'd expect Tomi to do well in, potentially he could be playing in the Europa League as well so it could be a springboard to a bigger club

Edited July 12, 2015 by Dalison

Prydz,

 

We are debating IFs/hypothetical matters, and we have to agree to disagree. It is easy for us to say that Juric should have done this or the other, that the reward outweighs the risk etc. We are not walking in his shoes, and our opinions and preferences matter stuff all when it comes to his career.

 

It may well be that he could do with better agents, but it may also be that Ange talked him out of a once in a lifetime opportunity. Regardless where Juric might end up: chances are he'll be on a fraction of the money he would have made in China. He might end up being a better football player because of it, or he might not. We'll never know. I just hope that he won't have any regrets when he looks back on his career.

 

I don't buy umbrella statements that China is no good and that everything is so much better in Europe. Who can say with certainty that Juric would not have flourished in Asia? Also, I am yet to see the careers of Zullo, Sarota, Oar, Amani, Rogic take off in Europe, and Juric may just join them on the bench.  What seems certain is that he has indeed burned his bridges with China, and that this door will never open for him again.

I think you're being a bit has on some of those kids. Zullo and Sarota have never been that good, but before a serious injury, Sarota was a pushing to be a regular. Tommy Oar was a week in week out starter. Only ran out of favour when he let his contract expire. Amini seems to have a plan and bide his time - smart move to Denmark while Rogic made a poor move, he has also been crocked.

 

I'd flip the question and ask - how many young Australians have moved to Asia and developed?