Manchester United Thread

[Alexander]

In their statement they sound very defeated. It was written in Spanish, but it has been translated by a bunch of different outlets. If you have twitter, check out the eurosport Twitter handle to read it. Its not very long

[DCWSW]

Hopefully this copy and paste job works.

 

From Eurosport:

 

Real Madrid will not try and pursue their deal for David De Gea any longer and have blamed Manchester United after his move collapsed.

 

Madrid thought they had captured their big summer target when striking a deal worth around £25 million with United to sign De Gea on Monday, the Spanish transfer deadline.

 

[bEST TWEETS: 'Cannot read file' - fans react to De Gea failure]

 

[ANALYSIS: Why did De Gea's transfer collapse?]

 

 

But the necessary papers were not filed on time, with both clubs held to be responsible for the failure to get the deal over the line.

 

It was initially thought that Madrid would appeal to either the Spanish league, which said it had not received any paperwork, or FIFA, which regulates international transfers, in an attempt to push the signing through.

 

But now Madrid have confirmed that no appeal will take place - squarely blaming United for the deal collapsing.

 

 

A lengthy statement from the Spanish giants stated:

 

Manchester United didn't open any path of negotiation for the registration rights to David De Gea until yesterday morning.

Real Madrid, despite the difficulties associated with completing a deal of this type on the final day of registration, accepted the initiating of these conversations.

When Manchester United entered into these negotiations yesterday morning they did so subject to being able to reach an agreement with Real Madrid player Keylor Navas, in order that he would join the British club from this season, and informed that they were in contact with the representatives of said player.

Real Madrid and Manchester United arrived quickly at an agreement for the transfers of both players. After the editing of the relevant contractual documents and with the intention of proceeding with enough time to get everything sent to the Transfer Matching System of FIFA (TMS) as well as his registration with the Spanish Football League (LFP), Real Madrid resent the contracts to Manchester United at 13:39 Spanish time.

Manchester United sent back their comments on said contracts eight hours later, at 21:43 Spanish time, including small modifications. Due to not being relevant, all of the modifications were accepted immediately by Real Madrid with the intention of being able to register the player on time in the TMS and with the LFP.

Real Madrid, having obtained the signatures of David De Gea and Keylor Navas, sent back to the English club the signed contracts at 23:32 Spanish time, waiting to receive the final documents signed by Manchester United.

Manchester United reached a final agreement with the representatives of Keylor Navas at 23:53 Spanish time and it was at this time that the contracts were sent to the player to be signed.

Manchester United entered into the TMS all the information for the De Gea deal, but not those for Keylor Navas, at 00:00 Spanish time, sending back to Real Madrid at the same time the signed transfer contracts. Real Madrid received the completed documentation at 00:02 and tried to access the TMS, but found it to already be closed.

At 00:26 Spanish time the FIFA computer system, TMS, invited Real Madrid to fill in the details for David De Gea, given that the registration period in England continues to be open until today. Real Madrid, with the prospect of some contention over the transfer of the player, decided to send the contracts to the LFP, even knowing that the period had expired.

Definitively, Real Madrid had done everything necessary, at all times, to ensure that these two transfers happened.

 

Madrid had been linked with De Gea for the duration of the summer and their interest in the Spain international convinced Louis van Gaal to drop him from his team as he feared his player's focus has been disrupted.

 

But De Gea will now return to Manchester having flown to Madrid to complete his move to the Bernabeu, and fight to reclaim his place from Sergio Romero.

 

OUR VIEW

 

You have to feel for Madrid - anyone whose computer has ever crashed will understand the acute frustration felt when technology lets you down - but their complaints fall down on the fact that they could and should have pursued De Gea far more aggressively before the final day of their transfer window. Why leave it to such chance? No one comes out of this particularly well, but Madrid only have themselves to blame.

 

Eurosport - Tom Adams - 1/09/2015 10:24 pm

[Davo]

I liked the first two points going on about how they had to do all the work initiating the transfer. The player hadn't handed in a transfer request and we weren't looking to sell. Why would we initiate things? Then they talk about how the transfer matching system would still accept data for De Gea after midnight because the transfer window is still open in England. That doesn't make any sense. De Gea was moving to Spain so the window for that move was shut. I would get if the system still accepted data for the Navas transfer as he was moving to England.

[AEK]

Oh well, getting him on a free next season will do then....

[mltezr]

yeah not sure how to feel on this. Happy that we stuffed them around for once, but means we will get considerably less for de gea either in january or a free in the off season. I would love for lvg to say to de gea sign a contract extension or rot in the reserve grades, and sell him in the off season for a fee.

[AEK]

yeah not sure how to feel on this. Happy that we stuffed them around for once, but means we will get considerably less for de gea either in january or a free in the off season. I would love for lvg to say to de gea sign a contract extension or rot in the reserve grades, and sell him in the off season for a fee.

 

Not like he is in the team now, he isn't even making the bench.....

[Alexander]

 

yeah not sure how to feel on this. Happy that we stuffed them around for once, but means we will get considerably less for de gea either in january or a free in the off season. I would love for lvg to say to de gea sign a contract extension or rot in the reserve grades, and sell him in the off season for a fee.

 

 

Not like he is in the team now, he isn't even making the bench.....

He's come out with a statement stating that he will not be sulking after the failed transfer and is determined to win back his place. Pretty impressive I must say.

[Davo]

Here's the statement from the club in response to Madrid's statement:
 

Manchester United notes Real Madrid’s statement on the attempt to sign David De Gea and sell Navas to Manchester United. The club feels compelled to provide some clarification with the following facts.

- Manchester United did not seek contact from Real Madrid for the sale of David. David is a key member of our squad and the club’s preference was not to sell.

- No offer was received for David until yesterday.

- At lunchtime yesterday, Real Madrid made its first offer to buy David. A deal was agreed between the clubs, which included Navas being transferred to Old Trafford. The deals were dependent on each other.

- In the last several hours of the process, with Navas at the Real Madrid training ground, Real Madrid were controlling the documentation processes of David, Navas and Real Madrid. Manchester United was in control only of the documentation of Manchester United.

- Manchester United sent transfer documents for both players to Real Madrid at 20:42 BST. David’s documentation was returned by Real Madrid to Manchester United without the signatory page at 22:32 BST.

- At 22:40 BST, minutes before the deadline, major changes to the documentation came through to Manchester United which immediately put the deals at risk.

- Only at 22:55 BST were the documents that are needed to cancel David’s contract received by Manchester United from Real Madrid.

- At this point Navas’ documentation was still not returned by Real Madrid.

- At 22:58 BST, the transfer agreement was sent back by Manchester United, uploaded onto TMS and accepted – all before the deadline.

- It is our understanding that the deals couldn’t happen because:

Real Madrid didn’t upload David’s documents onto TMS in time (Manchester United did)

Real Madrid didn’t upload David’s documents to the Spanish league in time, per reports it seems some 28 minutes after the deadline

- The fact that Manchester United filed the papers on time was acknowledged by the Football Association, who offered to support that claim in any discussions with FIFA. The club offered this assistance, as well as its own timestamped documents to Real Madrid but they have chosen not to go down this route.

Manchester United acts appropriately and efficiently in its transfer dealings. The club is delighted that its fan-favourite double Player of the Year, David de Gea, remains a Manchester United player.

I don't know why De Gea would have any ill will toward United. We signed him and gave him a go when he was struggling with us early on. We helped him bulk up, got him the laser eye surgery, basically helped him become the top class keeper he is now. We never tried to sell him (we offered him a new contract with a sizeable wage increase) and going off all the evidence put forward after deadline day, we never blocked him leaving when he wanted to. The fans love him and were signing his name even when he was rumoured to be leaving.
 
Real on the other hand decided to screw around for the entire transfer window in an attempt to get him cheap and waited until 12 hours before the deadline to make an offer, kicking their current keeper to the curb in the process. They then buggered the transfer through either sheer incompetence or by pulling out of the deal (neither of which sound particularly inviting for a player). Now they have Navas as their first keeper, who now knows that his club are happy to toss him aside when the player they really want becomes available.
 
Ed can look at this in three ways. He can either let the contract run down and let him go on a free next year, play nice and offer him a big pay increase to add a year to his contract so we can try this all again next year or play mean and tell him if he doesn't sign a new contract he won't play at all before the Euro's. I'd rather not go with the last option. As I've said above, I don't think Dave's got any issues with United so hopefully he'll take a nice pay rise for a year and we'll unfortunately sell him to the club where he'll get booed by his own fans and tossed aside when they're done with him.

[AEK]

This blame game has now become lame

 

if Van Gaal had not kicked De Gea to the curb in the first place, Madrid would not have tried to negotiate a better deal, why pay full price for a player that is not wanted at their current club because of their w4nk3r coach?

 

for Man United to turn around and say that De Gea is an important member of the squad is a total LIE!, he doesn't even make the bench, how important could he be to the team?

 

I cant believe you and united are blaming Madrid for starting negotiations late, Madrid have been trying to get talks started for months, even before Casillas was sold, how is that 12 hours before deadline? it was United and their w4nk3r coach who kept blocking everything

 

without knowing the full storey besides what the media is telling people, which we ALL know (or thought we ALL did) can be lie at times, I was sitting on the fence on this De Gea issue, but seeing how United and their fans are acting and knowing how much of w4nk3rs united are, ill lay the blame solely on united, playing hard ball with a player will never work out for you, especially when he is the current best player in the world.

 

Hopefully he screw united and Van w4nk3r over and doesn't sign a new contract and joins Madrid on a free next season.

[Prydzopolis]

 

Sorry AEK, although United were at fault for starting negotiations late (probably LvG playing games with DdG's head) it is clear that Real Madrid stuffed up in the final few moments not submitting there paperwork on time. If they had a leg to stand on (they submitted the paperwork on time) they could have pursued it through FIFA.

[Alexander]

without knowing the full storey besides what the media is telling people, which we ALL know (or thought we ALL did) can be lie at times, I was sitting on the fence on this De Gea issue, but seeing how United and their fans are acting and knowing how much of w4nk3rs united are, ill lay the blame solely on united, playing hard ball with a player will never work out for you, especially when he is the current best player in the world.

 

Hopefully he screw united and Van w4nk3r over and doesn't sign a new contract and joins Madrid on a free next season.

 

Getting a little fired up aren't we?

 

It seems pretty clear that both sides were trying to wrangle the best deal and in the end it fell through. Manchester United miss out on €20 million and real Madrid miss out on DDG this season. 

 

Manchester united had every right to respond to Real Madrid's statement, which blamed United for the stuff up. In their statement, they point out some pretty hard truths that make it pretty obvious that the final part of the bungle was completely the fault of Real Madrid. Madrid made a lot of claims without any evidence, now Manchester United have brought forth evidence that disproves many of Madrid's accusations. Even now the English FA have validated United's evidence. So much so, that they have come out and said they will support United's claim in any FIFA appeal.

 

if Van Gaal had not kicked De Gea to the curb in the first place, Madrid would not have tried to negotiate a better deal, why pay full price for a player that is not wanted at their current club because of their w4nk3r coach?

 

for Man United to turn around and say that De Gea is an important member of the squad is a total LIE!, he doesn't even make the bench, how important could he be to the team?

 

LVG didn't kick him to the curb, he said that he had doubts over the guys mental state and feared that it may be effecting his concentration. Not exactly the perfect treatment, but hardly kicking him to the curb.

 

Madrid are as much to blame for DDG being in a great mental state, as they made suggestions that were after him, but wasted three months trying to get him at a cheaper price. Which objectively is fair enough tactic, but when it falls through you can't blame someone else. United could have told Madrid that themselves after the Pedro debacle.

 

Of course DDG is an important member of the squad, he is by far the best goalkeeper we currently have. He didn't make the bench because our Romero is of decent enough pedigree that when DDG is off his game, Romero becomes the best we have. Now that the transfer deadline has come and gone, DDG will be able to focus on doing what he does best. Which will almost certainly get him back in the starting XI in the very near future.

 

I cant believe you and united are blaming Madrid for starting negotiations late, Madrid have been trying to get talks started for months, even before Casillas was sold, how is that 12 hours before deadline? it was United and their w4nk3r coach who kept blocking everything

 

If you were in LVG's position, would you want to sell arguably the best goalkeeper in the world? If Madrid had come in with a large offer, LVG would likely have not been able to refuse the deal. It was not a situation where DDG was screaming to be let free. DDG was reportedly training and had not handed in a transfer request. He was not acting in a Di Maria type manner where he made it impossible for us to keep him. Perhaps DDG should have, because it would have likely worked, but for whatever reason he didn't - which is a nice change from many other European players in the last decade.

[AEK]

yeah, I don't care for what Madrid said and United's reply, like I said, its all he said she said at the moment

what I wont stand for is being told its all Madrid faults that it didn't go ahead, whilst United were saints and had everything done on time

 

every club has a right to decline any offer they receive for a player, just as the club putting in the bid has the right to give in what ever offer they feel like is right, if Madrid think De Gea is worth no more than $25M that's what they will offer and United can decline if they want to, not go on a whinging spree and have a cry when things don't work out for them

 

Blaming Madrid for the mental state of a player is bullsh!t, every transfer season there are rumours of players being linked with certain clubs, for god sakes, Madrid is linked with every player, professional and non professional players every season, how come those players are not mentally affected? De Gea is a united player, his mental state if affected is United's problem, not Madrid's problem to deal with, Madrid are interested in the player, and they put an offer in for him.

 

United need to get off their high horse and stop blaming Madrid for their crap, De Gea is using mental state as an excuse to kick him to the side, how is he mentally not focused on his job? it was the off season, how can he be judged on an off season? and if he is mentally not focused, its united's coach's fault, he started this mental rumours.

 

In Madrid, we know we have an idiot....no wait, that is being nice to him, we have a dictator worse than supreme leader of N. Korea in charge and we do not cover for him, he is an idiot and I do not doubt that somewhere in this mess up, he probably has something to do with it, the press releases that both clubs released where non-sense, both had points that made totally no sense.

 

time for some eyes to be opened before starting the blame game!

[Davo]

It's pretty standard not to play a player when they're being seriously chased by another club. That doesn't mean the club doesn't want them. Look at Berahino and West Brom. Spurs made several big offers for him but West Brom didn't want to sell. He hasn't played while all this has gone on but that's certainly not because his club no longer want him. The fact that we wanted Navas as part of the deal suggests the club isn't totally convinced with Romero. Frankly it's ridiculous to say that United no longer want De Gea or that he isn't important.

 

As mentioned before, we didn't want to sell him and he didn't hand in a transfer request so it's up to Madrid to initiate negotiations. The first time Van Gaal didn't play De Gea was pre season so it wasn't until then that Madrid would have had any indication that they could negotiate for a better deal or that De Gea was unsettled. If they were making serious offers and we were rejecting them out of hand then surely De Gea, his agent or Madrid themselves would be making an issue about it and talking to the media. If De Gea really wants to go and Madrid made a fair offer he could hand in a transfer request to push the deal through. None of that seems to have happened. 

[Kizza]

Madrid don't get a player for once. Madness ensues.

[GD07]

What can you guys tell me about Tyler Blackett?

[Alexander]

What can you guys tell me about Tyler Blackett?

 

He played quite a few first-team games last season when we were decimated by injuries. Really comfortable on the ball and distribution is pretty good for his age. He can play both CB & FB and is surprisingly quick. Very strong for his age and is good in the air. I think is best trait though is his composure. On his first start for United he did not play with nervous anxiety that you would see from a debutant. 

 

Nowhere near the finished article just yet though. Although I think as the Scottish League is slightly slower, he's less likely to make a positional mistake and will likely be able to cover for that with his good pace for a non-wingback. 

[AEK]

De Gea didn't hand in his transfer request because he is fine with United, he is happy there, it's his girlfriend that hates the England life and wants her Spanish and Madrid life back, the fact that De Gea is from Madrid made the media go crazy about how he wants to go back to Madrid.

 

United were asking for way above his price to make money to spend on transfers, United made about a billion requests for Bale and Ronaldo, your coach made it harder for De Fea to leave because we didn't sell you Ramos, not that Ramos was ever going to leave Madrid in the first place anyways.

 

I am happy with Navas and Casilla as our keepers, it's not our players I am having an issue with, it's the coach, if De Gea really wants to come to Madrid, surely he won't re-sign and waited out till January or even next season and come on a free and earn way more money than he would have now.

[Alexander]

I am happy with Navas and Casilla as our keepers

 

Not after Valencia put 5 past them

Edited September 2, 2015 by Alexander

[Kizza]

De Gea didn't hand in his transfer request because he is fine with United, he is happy there, it's his girlfriend that hates the England life and wants her Spanish and Madrid life back, the fact that De Gea is from Madrid made the media go crazy about how he wants to go back to Madrid.

 

United were asking for way above his price to make money to spend on transfers, United made about a billion requests for Bale and Ronaldo, your coach made it harder for De Fea to leave because we didn't sell you Ramos, not that Ramos was ever going to leave Madrid in the first place anyways.

 

I am happy with Navas and Casilla as our keepers, it's not our players I am having an issue with, it's the coach, if De Gea really wants to come to Madrid, surely he won't re-sign and waited out till January or even next season and come on a free and earn way more money than he would have now.

 

You mean the media claims United made a billion requests. United claim that Madrid only made an offer for him 12 hours before deadline. United don't need the money which is why we can set whatever asking price we like. He doesn't want to go, the club don't want to sell him so there is no requirement for United to do anything. If that is the case then there's no argument about who ****ed up.

[AEK]

There is no argument as to who's at fault because no one besides the clubs themselves knows who's at fault, it's all he said she said and both clubs adding crap to it

 

The biggest lie of this entire saga that I have heard is that Madrid only made a bid 12 hours before deadline, at least we know that there is 1 false claim already.

 

End of day, not really Madrid's loss, Madrid isn't paying someone to be a spectator, United is

 

I have no doubts whatsoever that De Gea will play with units for a few games, probably play UCL so that Madrid can't use him if he does come.

 

Once Romeros weaknesses rise, Van Gaal will be forced to use De Gea, Van Gaal is praying to all gods that Romero has a great season.

[Kizza]

There is no argument as to who's at fault because no one besides the clubs themselves knows who's at fault, it's all he said she said and both clubs adding crap to it

 

The biggest lie of this entire saga that I have heard is that Madrid only made a bid 12 hours before deadline, at least we know that there is 1 false claim already.

 

End of day, not really Madrid's loss, Madrid isn't paying someone to be a spectator, United is

 

I have no doubts whatsoever that De Gea will play with units for a few games, probably play UCL so that Madrid can't use him if he does come.

 

Once Romeros weaknesses rise, Van Gaal will be forced to use De Gea, Van Gaal is praying to all gods that Romero has a great season.

 

Why would he be praying that? You're making it out like he is refusing to play

[KGee]

[AEK]

 

 

There is no argument as to who's at fault because no one besides the clubs themselves knows who's at fault, it's all he said she said and both clubs adding crap to it

 

The biggest lie of this entire saga that I have heard is that Madrid only made a bid 12 hours before deadline, at least we know that there is 1 false claim already.

 

End of day, not really Madrid's loss, Madrid isn't paying someone to be a spectator, United is

 

I have no doubts whatsoever that De Gea will play with units for a few games, probably play UCL so that Madrid can't use him if he does come.

 

Once Romeros weaknesses rise, Van Gaal will be forced to use De Gea, Van Gaal is praying to all gods that Romero has a great season.

Why would he be praying that? You're making it out like he is refusing to play

Well, Romero has a great season, De Gea doesn't get used, Van Gaal can keep him on bench max and say, I don't need him, I'll keep him on bench, you want him? Pay for him

 

Romero doesn't have a good season and starts making mistakes, he will be forced to use a keeper he believes is not mentally there to play for Man U, now as a coach, would you want to use a keeper who is not "mentally" there?

[Davo]

Or we give De Gea a couple of weeks to settle (his time away with the national team should help) and then hopefully he'll take the advice of Del Bosque:
 

He needs to be professional and move on from this episode. I hope that he starts playing again and is happy, and if he plays well we can bring him along, otherwise if he doesn't play it will be very difficult for him to come [to the Euros].

[AEK]

 

Or we give De Gea a couple of weeks to settle (his time away with the national team should help) and then hopefully he'll take the advice of Del Bosque:

 

He needs to be professional and move on from this episode. I hope that he starts playing again and is happy, and if he plays well we can bring him along, otherwise if he doesn't play it will be very difficult for him to come [to the Euros].

 

 

That was ALWAYS on De Gea's mind which is why he was professional and stayed out of this mess and never said anything, especially with euros coming up next year, he just wants to play and get game time, he doesn't care where it is and sure as hell doesn't care what Van Gaal thinks of him.

[Davo]

So his main motivation is to play often and perform well so he can be selected for the Euros. Same most other players.

[GunnerWanderer]

Davo have to Admit you're pretty level headed and give a fair comparison most of the time but seriously in one of your posts 'we gave DDG laser eye treatment'

 

Lol you make it sound like its world breaking stuff

 

Madrid and Man U hate each other for a long time it's no surprise to see the two of the worlds most arrogant teams **** this up

 

I hope DDG goes city or barca in off season

That would be icing on cake hehe

[KGee]

Madrid and Man U hate each other for a long time it's no surprise to see the two of the worlds most arrogant teams **** this up

 

 

At least you guys signed a keeper eh!

 

 

And that's all

[GunnerWanderer]

haha touche

[GunnerWanderer]

hmmm say Pedro thinks LVG is a ****

http://www.espnfc.com.au/story/2594159/pedro-van-gaal-at-man-united-did-not-affect-chelsea-choice