International Current Affairs (#BidenIn)

[wendybr]

2 minutes ago, Legionista said:

I did. 

Because she brutally savaged the notion that a tax will save the planet. 

I’m looking for consistency. 

Lololol!

Can't imagine our Cynth "brutally savaging" anything really.

[wendybr]

^^^ Oh....maybe she "brutally savages" examples of sexism and racism.... I guess. 

 

[Legionista]

 

2 minutes ago, wendybr said:

Lololol!

Can't imagine our Cynth "brutally savaging" anything really.

Hmmmm. 

[wendybr]

Just now, Legionista said:

 

Hmmmm. 

See my post above yours. 

[Legionista]

Hmmmm. 

[wendybr]

On another note...and for another day...

This takes up on an issue discussed on one of the Not Politics Threads recently...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-11/new-zealand-passes-medical-marijuana-law/10608362

one snippet there...Kiwis to have a referendum about recreational cannabis use within 2 years.

I hadn't heard that.

Edited December 11, 2018 by mack
fixed link, it was to an image not article

[Legionista]

Can’t happen soon enough. 

[wendybr]

15 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Can’t happen soon enough. 

I'm not a smoker...of anything.

But I don't disagree with you.

 

How soon here, I wonder?

[Legionista]

Whether you smoke or not is largely irrelevant. 

The war on drugs has been a disaster, by any measure. 

The media, politicians, and wowsers out there live in fantasy land with regards to this issue.

[Cynth]

7 hours ago, wendybr said:

On another note...and for another day...

This takes up on an issue discussed on one of the Not Politics Threads recently...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-12-11/new-zealand-passes-medical-marijuana-law/10608362

one snippet there...Kiwis to have a referendum about recreational cannabis use within 2 years.

I hadn't heard that.

I am in two minds about this. It needs to be done carefully. Cannabis has some medicinal effectiveness in some forms. I support the supply of it for that purpose. 

For recreational use, like alcohol, marijuana can be misused and cause all sorts of problems both socially and health wise. But I guess if alcohol is legal, maybe marijuana should be too. 

[Cynth]

Just now, Legionista said:

Whether you smoke or not is largely irrelevant. 

The war on drugs has been a disaster, by any measure. 

The media, politicians, and wowsers out there live in fantasy land with regards to this issue.

It’s a fascinating issue. Should we legalise more elicit drugs? Cocaine, Heroin, Methamphatamines like Ice? Regulate it? 

 

[btron3000]

I can’t be bothered to find it now on way to work but the forum’s poster boy Jordan Pietersen was asked his opinion on Canada legalising pot, and said “about time”.

His full answer involved an explanation that if enough people think a thing, it should be made law. Laws follow society not the other way around. 100% agree. 

[btron3000]

Also, that as long as some pothead didn’t bother him he was cool with it. Which brings us to Cynth’s question about other drugs. It’s not about legalising, it’s about sensible management of drugs. It’s not one-in all-in, it’s what’s appropriate for the particular drug.

[Legionista]

2 hours ago, Cynth said:

It’s a fascinating issue. Should we legalise more elicit drugs? Cocaine, Heroin, Methamphatamines like Ice? Regulate it? 

 

Definately marijuana, cocaine and mdma.

[Cynth]

1 hour ago, Legionista said:

Definately marijuana, cocaine and mdma.

So who should decide the line? Why would you ok one and not another? Is it based on lethality, social harm, health impact and impact on health system? 

[Legionista]

Whoever is rackin’ up of course. 

C’mon Doc. 

[wendybr]

8 hours ago, btron3000 said:

I can’t be bothered to find it now on way to work but the forum’s poster boy Jordan Pietersen was asked his opinion on Canada legalising pot, and said “about time”.

His full answer involved an explanation that if enough people think a thing, it should be made law. Laws follow society not the other way around. 100% agree. 

So did they put it to a referendum in Canada...as they will in NZ - I wonder?

[wendybr]

5 hours ago, Legionista said:

Definately marijuana, cocaine and mdma.

What have the kids at festivals been OD -ing on?

[mack]

6 minutes ago, wendybr said:

What have the kids at festivals been OD -ing on?

Badly made drugs.

[Legionista]

There’s that and there’s also a tendency to take a crap load of pills before entering an event as to avoid detection from Police. 

 

[thefairy]

37 minutes ago, wendybr said:

What have the kids at festivals been OD -ing on?

bad pills (usually MDMA)

I am sure it's been said a thousand times the reason why these bad pills existing because they are usually made by some random people in his backyard shed.

criminals cut the drugs and add extra things into it to make maximum profit.

 

because of that reason. each pill vary in strength. it's so easy to OD on MDMA.

[thefairy]

There is one thing we don't talk about enough about when it comes to illegal drugs. Personal responsibility, understanding and respecting the use of drugs.

Would you really ingest pills from an unknown source if you knew it can be fatal?

 

I honestly have no empathy for people who die from drugs. They knew the risks and don't respect the drugs they are using.

Do your research. It's not hard.

 

I knew the asian guy who died defcon and my work mate personally knows that dude who died on the weekend. It is frustrating, banning does stop people from taking drugs. You are just making the drugs more deadlier.

Edited December 12, 2018 by thefairy

[wendybr]

9 minutes ago, thefairy said:

bad pills (usually MDMA)

I am sure it's been said a thousand times the reason why these bad pills existing because they are usually made by some random people in his backyard shed.

criminals cut the drugs and add extra things into it to make maximum profit.

 

because of that reason. each pill vary in strength. it's so easy to OD on MDMA.

So...we legalise this...according to Legia??

How would that work??

[thefairy]

2 minutes ago, wendybr said:

So...we legalise this...according to Legia??

How would that work??

like i said. biggest issue is illegal drugs are cut. you have no idea if you are getting 20%, 50% or 70% purity. you don't know if they put rat poison in the pills.

How would it work?? Just like what is happening with cannabis or alcohol store. you will sell it at specialist stores with a license that says you can sell mdma.

This will stop the blackmarket on drugs. You will get 90% purity and it will be safe because you know it's from a legal source.

It will be like panadol, packaged up properly showing you exactly the dosage.

[thefairy]

Just like smokes and alcohol. Put a drug tax on it.

They will be swimming in cash.

[Cynth]

13 minutes ago, thefairy said:

There is one thing we don't talk about enough about when it comes to illegal drugs. Personal responsibility, understanding and respecting the use of drugs.

Would you really ingest pills from an unknown source if you knew it can be fatal?

 

I honestly have no empathy for people who die from drugs. They knew the risks and don't respect the drugs they are using.

Do your research. It's not hard.

 

I knew the asian guy who died defcon and my work mate personally knows that dude who died on the weekend. It is frustrating, banning does stop people from taking drugs. You are just making the drugs more deadlier.

I understand the personal responsibility concept for adults but young people, children get to an age where they take risks, where cause and effect and consequences are not logically thought our processes for them. Adolescents think they are invincible, nothing bad is going to happen, it’s a natural part of DNA. Every one of us will remember things we did as teens that we now know was stupid. 

[wendybr]

20 minutes ago, thefairy said:

There is one thing we don't talk about enough about when it comes to illegal drugs. Personal responsibility, understanding and respecting the use of drugs.

Would you really ingest pills from an unknown source if you knew it can be fatal?

 

I honestly have no empathy for people who die from drugs. They knew the risks and don't respect the drugs they are using.

Do your research. It's not hard.

 

I knew the asian guy who died defcon and my work mate personally knows that dude who died on the weekend. It is frustrating, banning does stop people from taking drugs. You are just making the drugs more deadlier.

Sadly, I know someone who knew/grew up with the young guy who died on the weekend, and someone who was very close to the boy who died at schoolies last week.... laughing gas and a cochtail of other drugs apparently involved in the latter,  where the boy just stood up and dived off the balcony in the early hours of the morning.

The problem with what you say above, Fairy, is that kids don't behave the way you'd wish they would....for a combination of reasons....as in what Cynth said.

[Cynth]

6 minutes ago, thefairy said:

like i said. biggest issue is illegal drugs are cut. you have no idea if you are getting 20%, 50% or 70% purity. you don't know if they put rat poison in the pills.

How would it work?? Just like what is happening with cannabis or alcohol store. you will sell it at specialist stores with a license that says you can sell mdma.

This will stop the blackmarket on drugs. You will get 90% purity and it will be safe because you know it's from a legal source.

It will be like panadol, packaged up properly showing you exactly the dosage.

This sits uncomfortably with me. The problem we have with over the counter medication is that it is considered harmless by people. Panadol is one of the most lethal ways to kill yourself. I get people are responsible for themselves and I hate excessive regulation but if it was over the counter, isn’t the message sent that it is normal and harmless? 

These drugs are not just harmful because they are unpure but because they alter perception. 

[wendybr]

8 minutes ago, Cynth said:

This sits uncomfortably with me. The problem we have with over the counter medication is that it is considered harmless by people. Panadol is one of the most lethal ways to kill yourself. I get people are responsible for themselves and I hate excessive regulation but if it was over the counter, isn’t the message sent that it is normal and harmless? 

These drugs are not just harmful because they are unpure but because they alter perception. 

Won't happen - ever.

You'd only need one kid - "pure" pills or not, to have an accident and be harmed, for outrage to follow.

It just couldn't happen!

[btron3000]

1 hour ago, wendybr said:

So did they put it to a referendum in Canada...as they will in NZ - I wonder?

My understanding is that in Canada they started with medicinal marijuana where you needed to get a script. Then of course all these dodgy scripts were being given out so the crime just moved from violent suppliers of drugs to dodgy suppliers of scripts.

So they just said “**** it”, we can’t stop this.