Cynth Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Legionista said: The partial government shutdown is not the problem of the calibre that we see the press getting hysterical about. I wasn’t talking about that though. The partial shutdown is, Im sure a problem for government workers not currently being paid, 12 days and counting... What were you talking about? Link to comment
thefairy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 All focusing on Trump but there is bigger fish to fry. Grand scheme of things Trump is minuet. A nation should be playing the long game. Look at China. lloydy136 and Legionista 2 Link to comment
Cynth Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 12 minutes ago, thefairy said: All focusing on Trump but there is bigger fish to fry. Grand scheme of things Trump is minuet. A nation should be playing the long game. Look at China. And yet Trump stands in the way of frying those bigger fish. If the government can't function then it can't address the big issues in the long game. Trump is constantly distracting, his stubbornness and his ignorance and his past crimes are getting in the way of the opportunity to do things like "look at China". He is a hindrance. wendybr 1 Link to comment
wendybr Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, thefairy said: All focusing on Trump but there is bigger fish to fry. Grand scheme of things Trump is minuet. A nation should be playing the long game. Look at China. What specifically do you mean by "bigger fish" Fairy? Maintaining its dominant place in the world, and trying to resist the rise of China? Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Interesting 'Remarkable': the two photos revealing the divide in Washington https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/04/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-photos-congress-border-wall?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Cynth and Wobblies 2 Link to comment
Cynth Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 32 minutes ago, Paul01 said: Interesting 'Remarkable': the two photos revealing the divide in Washington https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/04/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-photos-congress-border-wall?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Yes it’s like a crossroads. Do they want to go forwards or backwards? Link to comment
lloydy136 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 9 hours ago, wendybr said: What specifically do you mean by "bigger fish" Fairy? Maintaining its dominant place in the world, and trying to resist the rise of China? trump is a distraction (quote stolen from chomsky) - he does nonsensical things, media and everyone else focuses on that and debates meaningless talking points while the regulation and systems that protect people and society are dismantled. example - coal lobbyist in charge of EPA dismantling regulation and environmental protections. most would have no idea this is occurring because we are focused on trump talking about a wall or gays in the military or a weird handshake with a world leader or affairs with porn stars or whatever. it has been hugely effective and the impacts will be massive and reach way beyond just the US. Edinburgh, Horus, EmMac and 6 others 9 Link to comment
Edinburgh Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 hour ago, Paul01 said: Interesting 'Remarkable': the two photos revealing the divide in Washington https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/04/nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-photos-congress-border-wall?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard Is that a serious article? Betoota or the Guardian? Link to comment
Paul01 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Edinburgh said: Is that a serious article? Betoota or the Guardian? Guardian. Pictures tell 1000 words each. Edinburgh 1 Link to comment
thefairy Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 12 hours ago, Cynth said: And yet Trump stands in the way of frying those bigger fish. If the government can't function then it can't address the big issues in the long game. Trump is constantly distracting, his stubbornness and his ignorance and his past crimes are getting in the way of the opportunity to do things like "look at China". He is a hindrance. total bullshit. a unified nation is a strong nation. dems don't want to play ball. its a two way street. keep complaining about trump. you won't be complaining when china puts a bullet into your head comrade. Link to comment
Cynth Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 hours ago, thefairy said: total bullshit. a unified nation is a strong nation. dems don't want to play ball. its a two way street. keep complaining about trump. you won't be complaining when china puts a bullet into your head comrade. Who created the division? Trump has called abuse and names, he has called the media the enemy of the people, he has attacked his own party members if they don’t bow down to him, he tweets hate with every breath, he has attacked democracy and he is a career criminal. So yeah, I agree a unified nation is a strong nation....get out of the way Trump! China ain’t coming for me, I’m not the one with a dumbass president. Wobblies, sonar and wendybr 2 1 Link to comment
mack Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 hours ago, thefairy said: total bullshit. a unified nation is a strong nation. dems don't want to play ball. its a two way street. keep complaining about trump. you won't be complaining when china puts a bullet into your head comrade. The Dems took control of one part of the US Government yesterday. Before that, the Republicans had been in charge of everything. Trump says "Mexico will pay for the wall". Dems holding him to that isn't their problem, it's Trumps problem. sonar, wendybr, Cynth and 2 others 5 Link to comment
lloydy136 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 5 hours ago, thefairy said: total bullshit. a unified nation is a strong nation. dems don't want to play ball. its a two way street. keep complaining about trump. you won't be complaining when china puts a bullet into your head comrade. Wait the wall is to stop China? This is surprising news Cynth, wendybr, EmMac and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment
Edinburgh Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Cynth said: Who created the division? Trump has called abuse and names, he has called the media the enemy of the people, he has attacked his own party members if they don’t bow down to him, he tweets hate with every breath, he has attacked democracy and he is a career criminal. So yeah, I agree a unified nation is a strong nation....get out of the way Trump! China ain’t coming for me, I’m not the one with a dumbass president. You think? Link to comment
wendybr Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Edinburgh said: You think? Only caught maybe the last 10-15 mins of this at the end of a car trip this afternoon - but it was very interesting I thought. Not all gloom and doom about the rise of China and India, and their catching up to the West. Some interesting perspectives. Worth a listen? https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/betweenthelines/kishore-mahbubani/9844616 Link to comment
CaptainJess Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 05/01/2019 at 2:51 PM, Cynth said: China ain’t coming for me I for one welcome our new Chinese overlords... 欢迎中国 (just getting in early to make sure I have a fighting chance) sonar and EmMac 1 1 Link to comment
Legionista Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 On 05/01/2019 at 8:23 AM, Edinburgh said: You think? Very little. Hehe Edinburgh and wendybr 1 1 Link to comment
Midfielder Posted January 13, 2019 Share Posted January 13, 2019 a tad old i.e. 2013 but very interesting ... gets better as it goes ... wendybr 1 Link to comment
wendybr Posted January 14, 2019 Author Share Posted January 14, 2019 ^^ Yes...interesting....but things have changed quite a bit since 2013. Link to comment
Midfielder Posted January 14, 2019 Share Posted January 14, 2019 Beyond interesting.. wendybr 1 Link to comment
Cynth Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 So I come back from ten days without internet, no access to news. It seems the US government is still in partial shutdown, the US president is more than ever looking like a Russian agent and the US man-baby president wants to declare a national emergency on a non-existant problem because he wants to build a penetrable wall. So business as usual. Link to comment
Edinburgh Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cynth said: So I come back from ten days without internet, no access to news. It seems the US government is still in partial shutdown, the US president is more than ever looking like a Russian agent and the US man-baby president wants to declare a national emergency on a non-existant problem because he wants to build a penetrable wall. So business as usual. I was surprised to see yesterday (?) that the partial shutdown is a semi regular event over several USA presidencies! Link to comment
Cynth Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 24 minutes ago, Edinburgh said: I was surprised to see yesterday (?) that the partial shutdown is a semi regular event over several USA presidencies! Yes it’s so ridiculous. I wonder if these things would get solved quicker if they halted the politicians being paid rather than other innocent government workers who now can’t pay their rent! Wobblies 1 Link to comment
Edinburgh Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Cynth said: Yes it’s so ridiculous. I wonder if these things would get solved quicker if they halted the politicians being paid rather than other innocent government workers who now can’t pay their rent! Blasphemy! Cynth 1 Link to comment
Midfielder Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 MUST WATCH... its long.. Link to comment
Davo Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 You’d think they would put some mechanism in the legislation so that when a shutdown is about to occur they have a list of agreed services which maintain funding. There’s footage of bins overflowing at national parks because nobody’s being paid to empty them. People are being turned away from tourist attractions which actually generate revenue because they aren’t being staffed. Surely they could have a list of these sort of things who’s funding can be rolled over while they debate the overall budget. Link to comment
mack Posted January 15, 2019 Share Posted January 15, 2019 49 minutes ago, Cynth said: Yes it’s so ridiculous. I wonder if these things would get solved quicker if they halted the politicians being paid rather than other innocent government workers who now can’t pay their rent! No, because generally speaking, you have to be wealthy already to begin with to get into politics in the US (at the federal level at least), and many of them come from inherited wealth, fortified it with profits from rent-seeking monopolies through companies with access to huge government contracts or beneficial regulation, and donations from lobbyists & billionaire supporters (eg, the US Republicans being backed by the Koch brothers). Stopping their pay would mean nothing to 99% of the US government leadership because once they remain in congress for an even short period of time, they are able to use their position and influence to amass millions of dollars. marron and Midfielder 2 Link to comment
Cynth Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 51 minutes ago, Midfielder said: MUST WATCH... its long.. Well that was fascinating and depressing. Mack’s point feeds into this too. If you need excessive wealth to be in power in the first place then little is going to change. Maybe I’m too optimistic but maybe the movements of the US community against Trump which saw record numbers of women and self-proclaimed democratic socialists voted in, in the midterms is a start? Link to comment
Cynth Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Wow, Manafort tried to stack the Trump administration with Russia friendly people, he gave a Russian Oligarch, polling data. This is information gleaned from highly redacted filings. Cant wait to see the rest of what Meuller has!! https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/15/mueller-manafort-stock-trump-administration-1102373?cid=apn Wobblies 1 Link to comment
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