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    • This afternoon the club sent Western Sydney Wanderers members an email. On the day before our match against Newcastle, it 'requested' among other things, a change in our march route, and demands and/or threats against potential future endeavours by the RBB if we do not accept the demands of the club.

       

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    Response To Important Information.

     

    Firstly things first. While Shaun has posted that message on this forum it may not be his job or his role to have created the message, only to deliver it. Please do not directly attack Shaun personally for this, he is doing his job and has done that job very well in my view. We have seen in the past that it is Hatamoto and other groups who do not interact with the supporters group that seek to threaten us, and fail to understand our mentality and what we desire from our active support. Please do not take out frustrations with the FFA, Hatamoto, the Police and with higher up members of the Wanderers staff on him. Thank you.

     

    This afternoon the club sent Western Sydney Wanderers members an email. On the day before our match against Newcastle, it 'requested' among other things, a change in our march route, and demands and/or threats against potential future endeavours by the RBB if we do not accept the demands of the Club and those who work for Hatamoto, like Peter Shepard, who sit in the shadows and invent problems to justify their lucrative security contracts.

     

    It can be found in this thread.

     

    This is my response. While I am a part of the RBB, I do not suggest I speak for everyone in the RBB. I believe that many will agree with most of my position on this issue however. In any case, you will see in the comments section exactly what people can say for themselves. The quotes in this thread are from the email itself. There are quotes from other parties further down, they are in italic font.

     

    Thanks to all of you for your fantastic passion that is helping us create a great game day experience for all following the launch of our new club. While we want to continue to encourage this passion, particularly our active support, we need to be mindful of doing so in a family friendly manner. Some things to consider include:

     

    It is not just passion. And it is not just about the game day experience.

     

    It is time.

     

    It is energy.

     

    It is creation of a collective will and desire to support the new club.

     

    The core group of supporters have been together for longer than this club has existed.

     

    The Sydney Rovers bid attracted the support of many of us. Some of them showed themselves in a match at Parramatta Stadium, against Perth Glory. They came out to support a club in Western Sydney. This was on the 7th of February 2010. Almost three years ago. We have people who have been waiting 5 or more years for a Western Sydney team. We have people who had been waiting since the A-League began for a Western Sydney team. Do not believe that this group of people have only been around as long as the current staff of this club have. We have been here far longer than you have. We will be here after you move on to other jobs for other teams or other companies. It is us who will remain. Keep that in mind.

     

    It is just not all about the game day experience either. It is also about experiences outside game day. That could be this forum, or meetings that are social events unconnected with the club, Tifo and banner making days. Our support does not just happen on game-day and then cease. We are always planning, thinking forward and trying to improve our support.

     

    So while this may be the 'launch of a new club', this is not the launch of a new supporters group. The group might have a recent name, the RBB, but it has been around as a collective far longer than the club itself has.

     

    Now as for your demands.

     

    NSW Police are concerned for the safety of supporters and diners during the march to the stadium.

     

    From our four previous marches for the matches against Parramatta FC, Central Coast, Sydney FC and Melbourne Heart not a single complaint or safety issue as a result of the march has ever been raised by RBB members or made known to RBB members by members of the public.

     

    To the best of my knowledge not a single person, no matter if that was a supporter of the Wanderers, a neutral supporter of football, an opposing team supporter, or a general member of the public has been injured or otherwise made to feel 'unsafe' as a result of any of our marches.

     

    We have had requests from the media, asking permission to film or take pictures of our march and talk about it with our members. We see dozens if not hundreds of people with their phones or cameras out, taking pictures and video of the RBB and the Wanderers supporters as we march down Church Street. We wee families of Wanderers supporters with very young kids smiling and telling their children that it might be them marching one day, and we see the kids wanting to join in of their own accord.

     

    To dismiss the positivity, free advertisement and beneficial atmosphere we bring to Parramatta and to the club and it's 'brand' based on ludicrous and unjustified by reality 'safety concerns' merely makes me wonder where the club, the police and Hatamoto are getting their intelligence from.

     

    In short, the concerns of Police and Hatamoto are completely unwarranted and the club should take no action against the RBB because of them. The Police and Hatamoto are trying to justify their input in a situation that requires no input at all from Hatamoto and nothing more from the Police than stationing a Police Car or Officer at each set of lights to prevent any possible issues with civilian cars during the march.

     

    Or, like we've asked all along, for Church Street to be blocked off to cars for the 10 minutes the march takes.

     

    I would categorically reject the assertion that the supporter march should be something to be 'concerned' about, in regards to the safety of anyone.

     

    The footpath is not wide enough to support the carriage of the number of persons on the march.

     

    Incorrect. The footpath is very wide, and in most places it contains enough room for 4 or 5 people to march side by side. In some places this narrows to 2 or 3 people, but as we discussed earlier, not a single complaint or problem has arisen because of any of our 4 marches.

     

    Requires the negotiation of multiple sets of traffic lights.

     

    It requires the negotiation of two sets of traffic lights in Church Street, one short zebra crossing with no lights on Market Street, and two crossings on Victoria Road that are the 'final leg' of the march which is usually even slower and less crowded than the sections in Church Street.

     

    On Church Street, to my recollection, all traffic stops which enables people waiting at every set of lights to cross the road in all directions as well as diagonally across the road. There should be no traffic movement at all when the march is happening. Additionally the directions that the people move is parallel to the main flow of traffic, not against it. Having been in all four marches, the amount of traffic I have seen crossing the direction of the march have been very minimal.

     

    It is up to the Police to protect people from motor traffic. If this means that Church Street should be blocked off that is what decision should be made by the Police.

     

    This results in some fans walking on the street or crossing the street when unsafe to do so.

     

    If that is the case then the Police should be shutting down traffic to enable the free movement of the procession to make it safe.

     

    The march also has the potential to interrupt the quiet enjoyment that restaurant patrons are seeking while dining on Church Street.

     

    As stated above, we have walked past these patrons on multiple occasions and not had a single complaint.

     

    Here is a quote from the Parramatta Advertiser, a local Parramatta newspaper, written by Caryn Metcalfe. It is dated 24 October 2012, and includes a picture taken of the march and links to a gallery of the march itself. The headline is Western Sydney Wanderers fans host street party of the year at Parramatta. Link Here

     

    I quote the article:

    WESTERN Sydney Wanderers fans took to the streets in the lead-up to the first Sydney Derby on Saturday.

     

    Members of the Red and Black Bloc gathered at the Woolpack Hotel in Parramatta before the game, quenching their thirsts and lubricating their throats, knowing they would not stop chanting for the entire game.

     

    The RBB then marched through the streets to Parramatta Stadium making sure the entire city, including the brave Sydney FC fans who had ventured out early, knew they were there.

     

    The headline saying Parramatta hosted the "street part of the year" stands in stark contrast to the 'concern for safety' and 'potential to interrupt quiet enjoyment' that the Club statement contains. To compare that article with the disingenuous assertions being made by the Police and club saddens me, and makes me question if the people running this club actually go into the community like they claim to do so, and ask what people saw and felt during these marches.

     

    It is for these reasons that a number of requests have been made to vary the march route. The preferred route from the Woolpack Hotel to Parramatta Stadium is via Marsden Street. We hope that fans will see the sense in this request and use the preferred route.

     

    As shown above, there is nothing wrong with the Church Street route, only invented lies and assertions which do not stand up to scrutiny and weight of evidence. There is especially nothing wrong if the Police should choose to take the simple, safest option of closing Church street for the 10 minutes that the march spends there.

     

    Additionally, there is a major problem with the so called 'preferred' route.

     

    It is a massive safety hazard.

     

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    Marsden Street crosses the Parramatta River by way of the Bernie Banton Bridge. This bridge has only one footpath. It is an extremely narrow bridge, with the footpath being narrow as well. This narrow footpath has space for around one and a half people side by side. Traffic will be directly beside this footpath, going 50km/h or more only centimeters away from the crowd. The bridge choke point will also mean a large amount of people standing by the side of the road waiting to cross on the single footpath.

     

    I mentioned a match earlier in this piece, at Parramatta Stadium. I did not mention what happened after the match.

     

    While I was walking back with the friend who I had gone to the match with, a car lost control while leaving the Parramatta Pool Car park on O'Connell Street. It attempted to turn right. The car, out of control and going fast hit the median and skidded onto it's side. The car then smashed into the left lane railings and nearly toppled into the river. This was in full few of 100's of patrons leaving the ground, with dozens walking directly behind and in front. It was a miracle that no pedestrians were killed or hurt by the car as there would have been no escape had the car gone onto the footpath where someone was walking. I believe the people in the car were not hurt seriously.

     

    Since then the O'Connell street bridge has been upgraded with a second set of interior railings that should prevent or mitigate the chances of another accident like this happening.

     

    The Bernie Banton Bridge has no second set of railings to my knowledge. If a car going 50km/h in the event a car has an accident like the one I witnessed, in losing control at similar speeds, it has the potential to injure or kill dozens of people, crushing people against the bridge railing, or careening into groups of people waiting to cross or in the process of crossing the bridge.

     

    The Police may claim they will provide protection, I say the march will be so strung out they cannot protect everyone from an accident. Especially if a car that loses control is heading from the opposite direction and crosses lanes like the accident I witnessed. If they can close down Marsden Street I then ask why can't they close down Church Street?

     

    If walking along a narrow, unsafe bridge that is open to traffic heading at speeds upward of 50km/h is considered safety by the Police then I personally will be walking up Church Street regardless of what they or the club demand or threaten to do to the RBB.

     

    Now we head to the threat part of the message.

     

    So far our Club with the support of Parramatta Stadium has been able to help the RBB to create a fantastic atmosphere at the stadium.

     

    Yet we continue to be harassed, ignored, lied to, dismissed and threatened, even though we get used in club advertising and promotions. We have our members being 'profiled' and threatened by Hatamoto.

     

    Many of these privileges were made possible by variations in the normal conditions of entry.

     

    Many of the conditions of entry that marginalise active support are ignorant and stupid to begin with. It is no great gesture to ignore idiotic guidelines that preclude for example, a flag that is slightly bigger than 2 meters wide or high, or that would ban the musical instruments that provide atmosphere across the league. This league would do just fine without overly restrictive conditions of entry.

     

    The Club understands that the use of megaphones and TIFOs, the oversizes flags and banners, and over-sized drums and drums sticks are important to the RBB.

     

    What is important is supporting the team on the field and staying true to the active supporter mentality that has been established at the club from the first pre-season match. What we use to do this pales in significance when compared to the overall goal.

     

    Threats to take away our 'important' items are a hollow threat to us. All you will accomplish is reducing the atmosphere back to our voices alone. If you continued to persist with threats all you would end up with after that is an empty home end.

     

    Go ask the players if they would want people who have been supporting them from the first pre-season match kicked out and ostracised.

     

    These initiatives bring so much colour and movement to the match day experience.

     

    That you use to advertise the league. That the commentators repeatedly discuss. What newspapers write articles about.

     

    But to us it is not about the 'match day experience', to use the marketing spiel. It is simply about supporting the team.

     

    Additional benefits, such as a potential capo stand to assist the co-ordinations of chants, are being contemplated. By supporting these initiatives, the Club is placing its trust in the RBB and delivering on the promise of building a traditional football club. The Wanderers are no different. Therefore, Club’s support for these privileges is built on the understanding that fans both inside and outside the stadium will continue to behave in a socially responsible way that reflects well on the Club. Any incident that occurs in and around Parramatta Stadium is liable to damage the image and reputation of the Club and therefore the RBB.

     

    In pretty much any other country in the world, a traditional football club wouldn't need to 'contemplate' anything. The supporters would already have done it, because traditional football clubs support traditional football supporters.

     

    However, every club in the world expects that their fans are careful to protect the image and reputation of the club. The Wanderers are no different.

     

    It is the supporters of a club, and the men and women who pull on the team shirt that build the image and reputation of the club. Not the brand marketers, not the accountants. Not the CEO's and Chairmen. They may enable an image or reputation to be built, but they do not make that reputation. The great clubs in the world are not great because of controlled, market researched and focus grouped brand image. It is the players, the supporters, the managers that create a great club, and it is from those people that the clubs image is derived from.

     

    Western Sydney Wanderers will become a great club because of the people of the West making it great in the stands and on the pitch.

     

    The well regarded American sports manager Peter Wilt wrote a great article on his philosophy as a sports executive. His first line is that the "Fans are in charge." I will quote some of that here.

     

    "Professional sports teams are a community asset that represents the community in a fashion unlike any traditional business."

     

    "The investors are (usually temporary) caretakers of this asset for the fans."

     

    "Fans ... ultimately cheer for the badge, the team it represents. They don’t cheer for the organization or the owners."

     

    The Wanderers are a community asset that represents Western Sydney in a way unlike any other company can.

     

    The FFA are the temporary caretakers of the Western Sydney Wanderers.

     

    We cheer for the badge, the shirt, the players and the area. We aren't chanting for the FFA or Nike or NRMA or for the CEO or Chairmen of the Wanderers.

     

    The people who wrote this message are not protecting the reputation and image from us by threatening to remove any privileges we have.

     

    We are protecting the image and reputation of the club from them.

     

    You can expect that incidents of foul language, scuffles, smoking within the stadium, public urination, drunkenness and general disorderly behaviour will cause immediate damage. The authorities responsible for the safety of the public are duty bound to respond to such incidents.

     

    As they should. But they should not actively look for opportunities to make mountains out of molehills and to punish spectators and supporters of the people who are paying the wages of the players, staff of the club, members of the stadium staff and security and who are only seeking to have an enjoyable night at the football and to support the team via the active support group.

     

    You know the Club will not tolerate individuals who display anti-social behaviour. Nor should the RBB. The Wanderers image and reputation is too important to all of us.

     

    The RBB does not tolerate individuals who display anti-social behaviour already. We do not need to be reminded of that.

     

    Western Sydney Wanderers will be working directly with the leaders of the RBB to ensure that these issues are managed with the view to creating the best match day experience in Australia. We look forward to your continuing support.

     

    Is that why you only told Benched 10 minutes before posting this email to everyone that you wanted the march route changed?

     

    We have worked with the Police, Club and Hatamoto constantly. The effort is exhausting, and we're the only people who don't get paid for it. We have lodged "Schedule 1 - Notice of Intention to Hold a Public Assembly" forms with the Police only to have them outright and instantly rejected. This is despite the law showing that the Police would have to apply to the Supreme Court to contest this form should they want to refuse or reject the Assembly form that would give the march protection from overzealous policing.

     

    This would have provided the supporters on the march with protection from offences of obstruction and unlawful assembly. While this is not by any means a case of unlawful assembly, the protection from the offence of obstruction would make it much easier for the police and supporters to have the march without worrying about being arrested.

     

    It would also make marching down Church Street itself perfectly legal from my admittedly layman's perspective on the law.

     

    The only trouble that has happened at Wanderers matches has occurred when a group of people not related to the RBB, who aren't known to the RBB and to my understanding don't even participate in the march, twice caused fights against opposition supporter groups. The first time was the opening game against the Mariners, the second was against Melbourne Heart. What good is paying Hatamoto so much money, and threatening our supporter group with sanctions when the club and security don't have the intelligence to stop that group from causing problems in two matches? When they can't control a half-dozen people, I shudder at how incompetent they must be if they ever tried to control or help the safety or our much larger supporter group.

     

    This email is offensive to our supporters. Instead of trying to make criminals of your supporters and succumbing to Police threats, you should perhaps be reaching out to the Members of Parliament that helped create and announce this club to get them involved with seeing reason. Get them involved with asking why the Police are refusing lawful assembly requests. Ask why the Police want the supporters group to use a narrow bridge that is clearly unsafe for the group to use and why they have to threaten supporters with arrest for the crime of walking down a street for 5 minutes on the way to a football match. You want to be a traditional football club. Start acting like one and start supporting your own supporters.

     

    I will be marching down Church Street.


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    very impressive, well thought out and in depth reply i agree that Shaun should not be attacked personally he has done a very good job and seems to be only the messenger in this case, not much else to say since you said it all

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    Like I said in my reply in the other thread, we have some smart cookies in the RBB.

     

    Great reply.

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    I would like to know what caused all this concern from the police. There has not been any major incidents with the marches so far. It just appears out of the blue.

     

    I am also interested in seeing why the "Schedule 1 - Notice of Intention to Hold a Public Assembly" was rejected so suddenly...

     

    It might be preferable if the Police, Club and RBB representatives sat down and resolved any concerns which may be had.

     

    Personally, I think the RBB have been great and its disappointing to see these issues emerge every few weeks - it is a major dampener on the atmosphere of the games.

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    I would like to know what caused all this concern from the police. There has not been any major incidents with the marches so far. It just appears out of the blue.

     

    I am also interested in seeing why the "Schedule 1 - Notice of Intention to Hold a Public Assembly" was rejected so suddenly...

     

    It might be preferable if the Police, Club and RBB representatives sat down and resolved any concerns which may be had.

     

    Personally, I think the RBB have been great and its disappointing to see these issues emerge every few weeks - it is a major dampener on the atmosphere of the games.

     

    My understanding is that this has happened to an extent but it seems to be a one way street where the RBB is told what it can and can't do and every other party being a bit inflexible.

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    I won't be talking with them anymore. Apparently, I'm too aggressive and unrealistic (their words). This is after the copper, whose surname is Badalatti, told me, "and that's spelt B.A.D, and I'm bad". WTF?

    All communication is through the club now. There will be no more direct talk with the cops. We've tried that, and it's got us to here.

     

    As I said somewhere earlier, I'm battle weary. Between the club, stadium, coppers, hatamoto. I've had enough. I just want to go to the footy, have a few beers with my brothers and sisters on the terrace, and sing my guts out.

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    All communication is through the club now. There will be no more direct talk with the cops. We've tried that, and it's got us to here.

     

    As I said somewhere earlier, I'm battle weary. Between the club, stadium, coppers, hatamoto. I've had enough. I just want to go to the footy, have a few beers with my brothers and sisters on the terrace, and sing my guts out.

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    I won't be talking with them anymore. Apparently, I'm too aggressive and unrealistic (their words). This is after the copper, whose surname is Badalatti, told me, "and that's spelt B.A.D, and I'm bad". WTF?

    All communication is through the club now. There will be no more direct talk with the cops. We've tried that, and it's got us to here.

     

    As I said somewhere earlier, I'm battle weary. Between the club, stadium, coppers, hatamoto. I've had enough. I just want to go to the footy, have a few beers with my brothers and sisters on the terrace, and sing my guts out.

     

    Yeah there's a certain irony in someone calling a person aggressive and unrealistic then busting out that gem...

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    I won't be talking with them anymore. Apparently, I'm too aggressive and unrealistic (their words). This is after the copper, whose surname is Badalatti, told me, "and that's spelt B.A.D, and I'm bad". WTF?

    All communication is through the club now. There will be no more direct talk with the cops. We've tried that, and it's got us to here.

     

    As I said somewhere earlier, I'm battle weary. Between the club, stadium, coppers, hatamoto. I've had enough. I just want to go to the footy, have a few beers with my brothers and sisters on the terrace, and sing my guts out.

     

    There is only one word to describe that copper and that is GRONK!

     

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    Mack,

     

    I will find you at the Woolpack today and buy you a beer.

    Also one for Benched. Take a day off son!

     

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    I wonder how the club would like the RBB to protest with silence for a game... how would that do with their "match day experience"?

     

    "we are football" - how very plastic that sounds after this.

     

    Stand strong brothers...

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    it is important that whatever happens today we all stay together, united as one.

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    I wonder how the club would like the RBB to protest with silence for a game... how would that do with their "match day experience"?

     

    "we are football" - how very plastic that sounds after this.

     

    Stand strong brothers...

    there was talk of not turning up for one match, so the active support end is just empty

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    Close church st for 15mins. How hard can it be? To do it, just use all the cops that are already being deployed for our marches.

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    I wonder how the club would like the RBB to protest with silence for a game... how would that do with their "match day experience"?

     

    "we are football" - how very plastic that sounds after this.

     

    Stand strong brothers...

    there was talk of not turning up for one match, so the active support end is just empty

     

    I think randoms would just go where the RBB stands, and the crowd and the TV audience would just think that the RBB had given up or gone soft.

     

    Whereas standing the whole game - whole RBB wearing black (no red or other colours), no movement, no sound.

    Would gain lots of attention.

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    I wonder how the club would like the RBB to protest with silence for a game... how would that do with their "match day experience"?

     

    "we are football" - how very plastic that sounds after this.

     

    Stand strong brothers...

    there was talk of not turning up for one match, so the active support end is just empty

     

    I think randoms would just go where the RBB stands, and the crowd and the TV audience would just think that the RBB had given up or gone soft.

     

    Whereas standing the whole game - whole RBB wearing black (no red or other colours), no movement, no sound.

    Would gain lots of attention.

    i agree, maybe sitting for the whole game but making no noise is a must, i really hope it doesnt come to this though

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    it is important that whatever happens today we all stay together, united as one.

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    Shoulder to shoulder.

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    it is important that whatever happens today we all stay together, united as one.

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    Shoulder to shoulder.

     

    Sounds like a chant to me!

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    Very well said. IMO the issue is that Australia hasn't experienced active support of this nature which is common place in Sth America, Europe and Asia and so they seem to be launching pre-emptive strikes to try and stop things which may never occur. The RBB and all other supporters of the Wanderers are the life blood of the club especially a new club and support should be encouraged and not curbed . I seem to recall reading something about a fan representative on the Board of the club perhaps this is the way to go that way we have direct input into these decisions before they are made?

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    Mack,

     

    I will find you at the Woolpack today and buy you a beer.

    Also one for Benched. Take a day off son!

     

    Ha, I am having a day off. I'm home looking after my kids while the wife works. I'll be missing my 1st ever game today, sounds like I chose a good one.

     

    In all seriousness though, I don't believe anything is going to happen today. This is the warning shot in preparation for the Victory match.

    Just keep your noses clean on the march.

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    Without RBB, WSW will be same as Syd fc, Melb Heart ( last night) and all the others. We gave them something no one could have ever imagined, little tho expected, and this is how they treat us. I wonder why Football in Australia is so bad. Everyone is blaming the supporters, and the bandwagon supporters, but look what people who lead our clubs do. Stab you in the back.

     

    I think we should get rid of our marque signings and use that money to send this people to Europe and South America to see how a Football club really works. They might learn something.

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    Hi Guys,

     

    I just want to let you know that I received an email from Lyall Gorman this morning in response to my earlier email.

     

    I won't divulge the contents at this stage other than to say that the Club is behind us, notwithstanding how this might appear. I am sure that level heads and our people with the smarts behind them will stand us in good stead on this issue. It has been quite clearly demonstrated on this forum that we have the right people to tackle this issue in a mature and effective manner. This will be precisely the attitude those with an agenda against the Club and RBB will not expect or desire. They want us to lose our composure so that they can spin it to their advantage.

     

    The more I see and hear from Lyall Gorman, the more faith I have in the Club.

     

    Shoulder to Shoulder fellas.

     

     

     

    PS- I will be at the Woolpack at about 3pm if you want further information and to hear me chant. You will be able to recognise me because I will be wearing my jersey,

     

    PPS- I hope I don't sound like a old dad.

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    Lyall has first hand experience on how not to deal with supporters. Part of the reason there are no Marinators anymore is thanks to CCM stopping their post match functions, cracking down on active support really alienating the bay in general. Hes smart enough to not let it happen in a market as crucial as West Sydney.

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    didnt read the whole thing mack cos im having lunch then getting ready to go and use public transport that I am catching as part of my membership which I paid almost 200 dollars for, so I can go and sit with my friends and watch this team play.

     

    I will also be marching down Church Street.

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    i also got a reply frrom lyall.

     

    Thank you for your note below and the clear passion and frustration that is etched within it. Please be assured that there is a lot more to the email that Shaun sent out yesterday than meets the eye and if all of the facts were known, which they will be to the leadership group of the RBB this week, you might not be quite as critical of both your club and Shaun. I remain confident that if we can get the right level of communication between the various stakeholders we will get a solution to the challenges and pressures your club is currently under from external sources. We need to trust the process for a little bit and work together to get the outcomes we all want.

    I will be offering to meet with the RBB leadership group early this week along with Tony Popovic. If you need to discuss in the interim please feel free to call me on my mobile (he put his mobile in here). Let’s get behind each other today and do what we do best, and support our club.

    Best Regards

    Lyall

     

    i personally dont trust him at all when it comes to active support. we saw what he did at central coast. he writes that its come from external sources, well then why did the club agree to compromise our rights. there is no process to trust as we have done nothing wrong. to me this seems like an attempt to shift the blame, save their asses, make it seem like the club has no say while we get screwed.

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    Mack,

     

    I will find you at the Woolpack today and buy you a beer.

    Also one for Benched. Take a day off son!

     

    Having read that fantastic response on the bus ride in, I concur with this statement.

     

    You both deserve a free drink!

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    i also got a reply frrom lyall.

     

    Thank you for your note below and the clear passion and frustration that is etched within it. Please be assured that there is a lot more to the email that Shaun sent out yesterday than meets the eye and if all of the facts were known, which they will be to the leadership group of the RBB this week, you might not be quite as critical of both your club and Shaun. I remain confident that if we can get the right level of communication between the various stakeholders we will get a solution to the challenges and pressures your club is currently under from external sources. We need to trust the process for a little bit and work together to get the outcomes we all want.

    I will be offering to meet with the RBB leadership group early this week along with Tony Popovic. If you need to discuss in the interim please feel free to call me on my mobile (he put his mobile in here). Let’s get behind each other today and do what we do best, and support our club.

    Best Regards

    Lyall

     

    i personally dont trust him at all when it comes to active support. we saw what he did at central coast. he writes that its come from external sources, well then why did the club agree to compromise our rights. there is no process to trust as we have done nothing wrong. to me this seems like an attempt to shift the blame, save their asses, make it seem like the club has no say while we get screwed.

     

     

    I'm inclined to trust Lyall on this one (judging on the talk I had with Shaun while we were setting up the flags and banners). The club is being squeezed by the stadium on one side (and Events NSW) and police, Hatamoto, etc on the other. Shaun described the club as the meat in the sandwich. Let's just play it cool today, and see what eventuates.

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