RBB Statement on FFA bans and walk out.

[DeeDee]

 

The club don't want it but there's no reason why we can't use this as OUR WSF anthem. At times like this this just makes my spine tingle, hair on the back of my neck stand up, eyes water and just a massive sense of togetherness....

That intro is spine tingling. Not a metallica fan nor a fan of PA music but that music and everyone clapping as one is one hell of an idea for walkouts.

Thats player walkouts not the fans haha

[hawks2767]

Dmixtaa, this guy is actually on the same page as us, we are fighting the same enemy.

 

Agreed, you can tell the RBB and the NT have had communication to reach the same result, just need all supporter groups to have the same reaction for it to be effective.

[Themumf]

 

Dmixtaaa bro... not the right time or setting.

No I disagree. This Fapman incarnation should be allowed to give a divided opinion on here just as I can. Le Cove can go get F U C K E D and anything to do with them. They never once have come out in support of any of this so they can just F U C K off and die.

 

Not entirely sure that I disagree with this. The 2 biggest supporter groups in the comp have put aside some pretty bitter recent history to come out with something that looks like a united response. Unfortunately the Cove had the opportunity to join this and send an even louder message. They have opted to bail out. So they can take whatever s**t Dmixtaaa and anyone else chooses to heap on them. 

 

[dmixtaaa]

Dmixtaa, this guy is actually on the same page as us, we are fighting the same enemy.

Yeah I suppose I may have been a tad emotional about all of this and an all out attack wasn't warranted but let me explain why I reacted the way I did...

 

I just spent the last hour penning a well thought out response for those for and against a walkout and a compromise idea, for all our fans to be standing united whichever way they decide. This was my opinion and my opinion only. It was democratic and seemed to be the soft compromise to keep us all together in this hard time.

 

Then this ESFC Active Support security expert guy (Aka - glorified preschool teacher) says What ever your leadership stance on this each supporter group should stand by it . How is this fighting the same enemy impartially, self believing and as a united front, the enemy within perhaps, that's all he has bought to the table.   

[DeeDee]

 

 

Dmixtaa, this guy is actually on the same page as us, we are fighting the same enemy.

Agreed, you can tell the RBB and the NT have had communication to reach the same result, just need all supporter groups to have the same reaction for it to be effective.

I dont think we need to all have the same reaction ie walk out. But just the same respect. As simple as mariners fans clapping the rbb off. Its a stand of togetherness. Respect for whatever action each team takes is what is needed.

[Prydzopolis]

 

Dmixtaa, this guy is actually on the same page as us, we are fighting the same enemy.

 

Yeah I suppose I may have been a tad emotional about all of this and an all out attack wasn't warranted but let me explain why I reacted the way I did...

 

I just spent the last hour penning a well thought out response for those for and against a walkout and a compromise idea, for all our fans to be standing united whichever way they decide. This was my opinion and my opinion only. It was democratic and seemed to be the soft compromise to keep us all together in this hard time.

 

Then this ESFC Active Support security expert guy (Aka - glorified preschool teacher) says What ever your leadership stance on this each supporter group should stand by it . How is this fighting the same enemy impartially, self believing and as a united front, the enemy within perhaps, that's all he has bought to the table. 

In that context I agree, the side stands are not the RBB & have the right to make the decisions for themselves but I don't think he was referring to everyone. I have a feeling he was referring to those in the RBB to follow the decision made by the RBB leadership group.

 

Let's put our differences aside, hit the FFA hard & when things get sorted, our rivalry can resume

[DinoPresinger]

If you are staying please move to another section of the ground, non TV side would be ideal

[dmixtaaa]

 

 

Dmixtaa, this guy is actually on the same page as us, we are fighting the same enemy.

Yeah I suppose I may have been a tad emotional about all of this and an all out attack wasn't warranted but let me explain why I reacted the way I did...

 

I just spent the last hour penning a well thought out response for those for and against a walkout and a compromise idea, for all our fans to be standing united whichever way they decide. This was my opinion and my opinion only. It was democratic and seemed to be the soft compromise to keep us all together in this hard time.

 

Then this ESFC Active Support security expert guy (Aka - glorified preschool teacher) says What ever your leadership stance on this each supporter group should stand by it . How is this fighting the same enemy impartially, self believing and as a united front, the enemy within perhaps, that's all he has bought to the table. 

In that context I agree, the side stands are not the RBB & have the right to make the decisions for themselves but I don't think he was referring to everyone. I have a feeling he was referring to those in the RBB to follow the decision made by the RBB leadership group.

 

Let's put our differences aside, hit the FFA hard & when things get sorted, our rivalry can resume

 

You'd make a great Liberal pollie Pridz..If this is what he meant I take it back. He didn't explain it very well at all. "each supporter  group" could mean anyone and everyone. I agree a united RBB is part and parcel of being part of the group same for any other active group. 

 

It's also hard to have a tiny bit of time or compassion for any smurf at the best of times. So I must be given a little slack there... 

[Prydzopolis]

no worries mate

 

As I said, if it came from that parasite Fapman then I would have joined you but from everything he has said, he is on the same page as us & is just as angry at what has happened. He might not have been as clear as he should have been, but let's just let it slide & focus our anger on the real enemy.

[DeeDee]

the biggest and best thing of this is the talking it creates. Already just making that statement has brought up the important conversation. Simon Hill has come out with what i think is an incredible piece, so spot on. 

[btron3000]

I hope those that stay do their best to explain the situation to anyone who doesn't know what is going on, so it doesn't look like the RBB are just being "selfish". This is the least selfish thing football fans can do, and so if you choose to stay please try and educate anyone that doesn't get it.

[braad]

As has been mentioned before by many (and myself), the RBB will do a walkout.

 

Every person has the right to stay and watch the game as everyones opinion on supporting the team and club, this situation, the FFA etc are different.

 

Anyone from the RBB who wants to stay i would recommend leaving the bay with the rest and rather than leaving the stadium just walk to another bay and enjoy the game

 

If other supporters applaud then that would be great, but i dont think its expected. However, it would be warmly received and respected.

 

Everyone fights differently, and as mentioned in previous posts, lets be flexible, respectful and inclusive.

Part of that respect would be to leave the RBB/Active bays empty once the RBB does their walk out.

Another part of that respect is to not cast judgement on anyone who wants to stay, or if they dont applaud the walkout.

 

There is an amazing opportunity to show a very cohesive message across the A-League, and it really is very easy.

 

Keep cool heads and show the respect that as a general mass we dont receive from the MSM. This is something that could never happen in any other sport in Australia

[dmixtaaa]

As has been mentioned before by many (and myself), the RBB will do a walkout.

 

Every person has the right to stay and watch the game as everyones opinion on supporting the team and club, this situation, the FFA etc are different.

 

Anyone from the RBB who wants to stay i would recommend leaving the bay with the rest and rather than leaving the stadium just walk to another bay and enjoy the game

 

If other supporters applaud then that would be great, but i dont think its expected. However, it would be warmly received and respected.

 

Everyone fights differently, and as mentioned in previous posts, lets be flexible, respectful and inclusive.

Part of that respect would be to leave the RBB/Active bays empty once the RBB does their walk out.

Another part of that respect is to not cast judgement on anyone who wants to stay, or if they dont applaud the walkout.

 

There is an amazing opportunity to show a very cohesive message across the A-League, and it really is very easy.

 

Keep cool heads and show the respect that as a general mass we dont receive from the MSM. This is something that could never happen in any other sport in Australia

Great point. Especially the 2nd sentence.

[Stpeters]

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ? 
I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions. 

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd) 

[Alexander]

The main aspect I like about the walkout is that it will garner attention from others at the game and watching on tv.  A group of 2 or 3 thousand people who have been creating an incredible atmosphere all of a sudden leaving will spark interest in other attendees as to why?  With their interest, comes inquiry.  They will start to ask questions and they will find out what we already know - the current status quo of the FFA is unjust, ill managed, and not sustainable.

 

Once other fans become educated on the topic, I don't see any other reaction than them becoming vociferous on the topic as well.  The more numbers protesting current FFA banning procedures, the more the FFA will listen

Edited November 25, 2015 by Alexander

[dmixtaaa]

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ? 

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions. 

 

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd) 

Nothing will appease the 1.8million fans which you speak of more than to implement a fair and transparent banning process for illegal and anti social behaviour. We are in Australia not South Korea. No one entity sporting or otherwise is above the law. This is exactly what you are saying here and by not mentioning it you are hiding behind discriminatory, bias and illegal reporting which is damaging to the game and all those that love it.

 

You have been in the game for 3 years, many of the 1.8million have had it in their blood for life. It's not just a sport you just support on weekends. You live your life around the passion it brings. You plan Christenings and Weddings around game days and never dare plan a holiday outside of off season. If you don't understand these simple facts, I'm sorry David you're not the person I want running my game.

 

Please sign the petition, if you agree with my post and pass it on to others who feel the same. Copy and paste it into your browser.

 

 https://www.change.org/p/football-federation-australia-football-federation-australia-to-stand-up-and-support-the-people-who-empower-their-game/u/14324878

 

Please don't, I'm not used to it and it's really quite unnerving... 

The main aspect I like about the walkout is that it will garner attention from others at the game and watching on tv.  A group of 2 or 3 thousand people who have been creating an incredible atmosphere all of a sudden leaving will spark interest in other attendees as to why?  With their interest, comes inquiry.  They will start to ask questions and they will find out what we already know - the current status quo of the FFA is unjust, ill managed, and not sustainable.

 

Once other fans become educated on the topic, I don't see any other reaction than them becoming vociferous on the topic as well.  The more numbers protesting current FFA banning procedures, the more the FFA will listen

Please keep these words for Manny. We are from the West rememeber, no more than 3 syllables... 

[Stpeters]

You are right dmixtaaa     

 

Edited November 25, 2015 by Stpeters

[Alexander]

 

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ? 

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions. 

 

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd) 

Nothing will appease the 1.8million fans which you speak of more than to implement a fair and transparent banning process for illegal and anti social behaviour. We are in Australia not South Korea. No one entity sporting or otherwise is above the law. This is exactly what you are saying here and by not mentioning it you are hiding behind discriminatory, bias and illegal reporting which is damaging to the game and all those that love it.

 

You have been in the game for 3 years, many of the 1.8million have had it in their blood for life. It's not just a sport you just support on weekends. You live your life around the passion it brings. You plan Christenings and Weddings around game days and never dare plan a holiday outside of off season. If you don't understand these simple facts, I'm sorry David you're not the person I want running my game.

 

Please sign the petition, if you agree with my post and pass it on to others who feel the same. Copy and paste it into your browser.

 

 https://www.change.org/p/football-federation-australia-football-federation-australia-to-stand-up-and-support-the-people-who-empower-their-game/u/14324878

 

Please don't, I'm not used to it and it's really quite unnerving... 

The main aspect I like about the walkout is that it will garner attention from others at the game and watching on tv.  A group of 2 or 3 thousand people who have been creating an incredible atmosphere all of a sudden leaving will spark interest in other attendees as to why?  With their interest, comes inquiry.  They will start to ask questions and they will find out what we already know - the current status quo of the FFA is unjust, ill managed, and not sustainable.

 

Once other fans become educated on the topic, I don't see any other reaction than them becoming vociferous on the topic as well.  The more numbers protesting current FFA banning procedures, the more the FFA will listen

Please keep these words for Manny. We are from the West rememeber, no more than 3 syllables... 

 

 

I was basing my language on the 'Would Bozza understand it' principle. I've heard him use 'vociferous' a number of times.  Are you suggesting you slaughter the English language more than he does?

[braad]

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ?

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions.

 

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd)

So St Peters what do think will happen with The Cove/SFC?

 

You guys are (rightly) aggrieved that the SCG Trust may have played a part in this. Is there the same ill-feeling towards FFA for either the lack of appeals process, or the fact they cant keep private information private?

 

I realise the last point is up for conjecture, but in its place we could now ask about Gallops piss-weak reply.

 

Just wondering whats going on in there. I get that its not as big an issue when you dont have the same amount of people banned as we do, but surely the whole media aide has to piss you guys off?

[Stpeters]

 

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ?

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions.

 

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd)

So St Peters what do think will happen with The Cove/SFC?

 

You guys are (rightly) aggrieved that the SCG Trust may have played a part in this. Is there the same ill-feeling towards FFA for either the lack of appeals process, or the fact they cant keep private information private?

 

I realise the last point is up for conjecture, but in its place we could now ask about Gallops piss-weak reply.

 

Just wondering whats going on in there. I get that its not as big an issue when you dont have the same amount of people banned as we do, but surely the whole media aide has to piss you guys off?

 

We have requested several meeting and all have accepted

We will put our point across to them face to face when we meet and if we aren't happy with the response we will decide on the next steps. 

 

I'm not commenting on the next steps because we need to see what comes of the first. we are really pissed off we have spoken to the CEO several times since we have known about this. 

 

We have proposals for them and will hand it to them in person. 

 

 

Edited November 25, 2015 by Stpeters

[btron3000]

 

 

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ?

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions.

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd)

 

So St Peters what do think will happen with The Cove/SFC?

You guys are (rightly) aggrieved that the SCG Trust may have played a part in this. Is there the same ill-feeling towards FFA for either the lack of appeals process, or the fact they cant keep private information private?

I realise the last point is up for conjecture, but in its place we could now ask about Gallops piss-weak reply.

Just wondering whats going on in there. I get that its not as big an issue when you dont have the same amount of people banned as we do, but surely the whole media aide has to piss you guys off?

We have requested several meeting and all have accepted

We will put our point across to them face to face when we meet and if we aren't happy with the response we will decide on the next steps. 

I'm not commenting on the next steps because we need to see what comes of the first. we are really pissed off we have spoken to the CEO several times since we have known about this. 

We have proposals for them and will hand it to them in person.

I like this. Mainly because it is a different approach. To win these battles you need to fight in more ways than one. WST and City are totally boycotting, RBB and NT are walking out with more to come, and Cove are meeting people. Someone has to play the diplomatic role and if that's the Cove then so be it.

 

If we get an appeals process in place, it won't be because some fans met with the FFA, or just because others boycotted. It'll be the sum of the actions.

 

I still hate you though.

[DontCallMeJacko]

I think City (Melburnians) are still going to the game, just "boycotting" the active area.

[braad]

 

 

 

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ?

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions.

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd)

 

So St Peters what do think will happen with The Cove/SFC?

You guys are (rightly) aggrieved that the SCG Trust may have played a part in this. Is there the same ill-feeling towards FFA for either the lack of appeals process, or the fact they cant keep private information private?

I realise the last point is up for conjecture, but in its place we could now ask about Gallops piss-weak reply.

Just wondering whats going on in there. I get that its not as big an issue when you dont have the same amount of people banned as we do, but surely the whole media aide has to piss you guys off?

We have requested several meeting and all have accepted

We will put our point across to them face to face when we meet and if we aren't happy with the response we will decide on the next steps.

I'm not commenting on the next steps because we need to see what comes of the first. we are really pissed off we have spoken to the CEO several times since we have known about this.

We have proposals for them and will hand it to them in person.

I like this. Mainly because it is a different approach. To win these battles you need to fight in more ways than one. WST and City are totally boycotting, RBB and NT are walking out with more to come, and Cove are meeting people. Someone has to play the diplomatic role and if that's the Cove then so be it.

 

If we get an appeals process in place, it won't be because some fans met with the FFA, or just because others boycotted. It'll be the sum of the actions.

 

I still hate you though.

Lol btron...

 

 

Anyway, thanks St Peters. I dont disagree with your plans. Understandable in the approach you are taking, it is different.

 

So are you able to say what your point is? Is it about the privacy? the bans? the lack of support?

[Stpeters]

 

 

 

 

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ?

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions.

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd)

So St Peters what do think will happen with The Cove/SFC?

You guys are (rightly) aggrieved that the SCG Trust may have played a part in this. Is there the same ill-feeling towards FFA for either the lack of appeals process, or the fact they cant keep private information private?

I realise the last point is up for conjecture, but in its place we could now ask about Gallops piss-weak reply.

Just wondering whats going on in there. I get that its not as big an issue when you dont have the same amount of people banned as we do, but surely the whole media aide has to piss you guys off?

We have requested several meeting and all have accepted

We will put our point across to them face to face when we meet and if we aren't happy with the response we will decide on the next steps.

I'm not commenting on the next steps because we need to see what comes of the first. we are really pissed off we have spoken to the CEO several times since we have known about this.

We have proposals for them and will hand it to them in person.

I like this. Mainly because it is a different approach. To win these battles you need to fight in more ways than one. WST and City are totally boycotting, RBB and NT are walking out with more to come, and Cove are meeting people. Someone has to play the diplomatic role and if that's the Cove then so be it.

 

If we get an appeals process in place, it won't be because some fans met with the FFA, or just because others boycotted. It'll be the sum of the actions.

 

I still hate you though.

Lol btron...

 

 

Anyway, thanks St Peters. I dont disagree with your plans. Understandable in the approach you are taking, it is different.

 

So are you able to say what your point is? Is it about the privacy? the bans? the lack of support?

 

All of the above, plus going after Alan Jones.

 

I do feel that we are in a different position and have different relationships which help us avoid boycotts  

Scg Trust- we are there tenants/ we haven't had a good relationship but they have an interest in keeping things cordial 

Police- We have a working relationship with them and the LAC tends to be on our side most of the time

Club - We have an excellent relationship  with them

FFA- I have a few contacts there and if they don't answer I'll walk into the office. 

  

[braad]

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you are in active support and you should be following the leadership in their actions to be honest I don't see boycotting being the way forward. That is the choices made by your leadership sure you can refute them I shouldn't be any sort of reason for you not to. what do I actually have to do with your actions in this matter ?

I'll give insight to what we are doing and discuss opinions.

Dmixtaa I'm actually agreeing with you for once (fuc k that's odd)

So St Peters what do think will happen with The Cove/SFC?

You guys are (rightly) aggrieved that the SCG Trust may have played a part in this. Is there the same ill-feeling towards FFA for either the lack of appeals process, or the fact they cant keep private information private?

I realise the last point is up for conjecture, but in its place we could now ask about Gallops piss-weak reply.

Just wondering whats going on in there. I get that its not as big an issue when you dont have the same amount of people banned as we do, but surely the whole media aide has to piss you guys off?

We have requested several meeting and all have accepted

We will put our point across to them face to face when we meet and if we aren't happy with the response we will decide on the next steps.

I'm not commenting on the next steps because we need to see what comes of the first. we are really pissed off we have spoken to the CEO several times since we have known about this.

We have proposals for them and will hand it to them in person.

I like this. Mainly because it is a different approach. To win these battles you need to fight in more ways than one. WST and City are totally boycotting, RBB and NT are walking out with more to come, and Cove are meeting people. Someone has to play the diplomatic role and if that's the Cove then so be it.

 

If we get an appeals process in place, it won't be because some fans met with the FFA, or just because others boycotted. It'll be the sum of the actions.

 

I still hate you though.

Lol btron...

 

 

Anyway, thanks St Peters. I dont disagree with your plans. Understandable in the approach you are taking, it is different.

 

So are you able to say what your point is? Is it about the privacy? the bans? the lack of support?

All of the above, plus going after Alan Jones.

 

I do feel that we are in a different position and have different relationships which help us avoid boycotts

Scg Trust- we are there tenants/ we haven't had a good relationship but they have an interest in keeping things cordial

Police- We have a working relationship with them and the LAC tends to be on our side most of the time

Club - We have an excellent relationship with them

FFA- I have a few contacts there and if they don't answer I'll walk into the office.

Yeah you guys definitely have different relationships to us. Even the most biased WSW fan has to admit your relationship with the police is a lot healthier than ours, but i guess ours has non-existant since the new bloke in charge

 

Goodluck with it. I really think its ridiculous there's no one on the SCG Trust with a football background. You guys deserve a spot considering you're the main tenant (and probably have been for a period of time now), so keeping you happy *should* be a priority.

 

Piss AJ off, he is a remnant of a past time. Possibly quite hypocritical of someone many think to be homosexual to want to live in the past with old stigmas

[DontCallMeJacko]

Anyone, from any club, that found their name and/or face in the paper on the weekend should email info@redandblackbloc.org

[MartinTyler]

I hope the RBB will be providing flyers, basically with their statement explaining why're walking out, to hand out to WSW fans (rather than just RBB).

 

Just to keep everyone in the loop, as not everyone is on the internet.

 

Good point. I spoke to a couple of Wanderers fans at work yesterday and they had no idea about the ST article and the furore that followed

[102megan]

If you have access to your work printers at all, might be worth printing out the RBB statement, to help spread the word of the reasoning behind the walk out.

[102megan]

Not sure if this will work - but see following, which we can use to print & hand out pre-game & at the stadium.

 

(I'm not sure how to upload a Word Doc, or a PDF - so this will have to do)

 

http://imgur.com/DSfGYOy

[theguyyouwishyouwere]

 

 The club don't want it but there's no reason why we can't use this as OUR WSF anthem. At times like this this just makes my spine tingle, hair on the back of my neck stand up, eyes water and just a massive sense of togetherness.... 

 

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