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Cynth

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On 02/12/2020 at 10:20 PM, sonar said:

I still can't get why Trump got over 70M votes.? :unknw:

 

That has been bothering me too. I actually have this nagging feeling at the back of mind that Trump did some form of what he accused the Democrats of doing.....he is, after all, the ultimate projector. 
 

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StringerBellend

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43 minutes ago, Cynth said:

That has been bothering me too. I actually have this nagging feeling at the back of mind that Trump did some form of what he accused the Democrats of doing.....he is, after all, the ultimate projector. 
 

People listen to Coldplay 

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marron

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26 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

People listen to Coldplay 

The band has sold over 100 million records, including over 75 million album sales worldwide.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

 

The thing you have to remember is

- republican voters will vote republic no matter what (of course, democrats too). this year the election was billed as CRUCIAL for the direction of the country hence the huge turnout. The media and stuff skews so right over there that many of those voters would have been voting, knowing that trump is a dick, but thinking the alternative is socialism and the destruction of free speech.

 

 

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Cynth

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36 minutes ago, marron said:

The band has sold over 100 million records, including over 75 million album sales worldwide.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT.

 

The thing you have to remember is

- republican voters will vote republic no matter what (of course, democrats too). this year the election was billed as CRUCIAL for the direction of the country hence the huge turnout. The media and stuff skews so right over there that many of those voters would have been voting, knowing that trump is a dick, but thinking the alternative is socialism and the destruction of free speech.

 

 

Yeah I know that’s the logical explanation but I just can’t buy it.....

 

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sonar

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2 hours ago, Cynth said:

That has been bothering me too. I actually have this nagging feeling at the back of mind that Trump did some form of what he accused the Democrats of doing.....he is, after all, the ultimate projector. 
 

Trump was behind in the polls for months before the election.

He is a narcissist He cannot or will not ever concede he was defeated. This is his modus operandi. You only have to see him in the Primaries in the Republican Party in the run up for the 2016 election. He claimed his opponents were getting fraudulent votes. He always had a strategy of claiming fraud even if there was none.

One of the more funnier things is that because he came out so vehemently against mail-in ballots 24,000 less Republicans voted in the election in Georgia than voted in the Republicans Primaries which were mail-in. He shafted his own vote. lol Had those people actually voted he would of taken Georgia. There is anecdotal evidence that his continuing claims of fraud are actually hurting the Republican turnout for the Senate runoffs in Georgia on Jan 5. One can only live in hope that it does and Ossoff and Warnock win.

 

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46 minutes ago, Cynth said:

Yeah I know that’s the logical explanation but I just can’t buy it.....

 

Put it this way Cynth; your "just don't buy it" gut feel is the exact same gut feel that many of those trump feels have. I know, I know, we are capable of looking at other similar situations and thinking it over logically and so on - you know, this is how authoritarian regimes begin, this is how they act, these are the patterns - but that is the same basic reaction that these people are having. Saw a great tweet on the weekend from some MAGA person, no tongue in cheek - something like "it's the fact that there is no evidence of fraud that is proof enough for me".

The state voting authorities - many of them in republican places, with republican officials in control - are not finding fraud. That works both ways. They're not finding fraud for the dems and they are not finding it for the GOP. So...if 75 mill trump voters doesn't sound right, well, neither does 80 mill biden voters. You know?

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He's lost. No new lawyer can change that. The states that Trump has been trying to get into court to claim fraud have all certified the election ( electoral college votes ). He is 1-41 in court case loses. It's a grift by him for cash to pay off debts, nothing more.

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To illustrate how ?????? words fail me... but how totally ungovernable the US seems to be today... many county sheriffs in especially democrat states publicly broadcast they will not enforce any Lock Down or Cov Safe social distance laws passed by their state Governors ...

Their reasons we have better things to do and its not that important...

Remember in the US country sheriff's are elected officials...

  

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MartinTyler

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21 minutes ago, sonar said:

He's lost. No new lawyer can change that. The states that Trump has been trying to get into court to claim fraud have all certified the election ( electoral college votes ). He is 1-41 in court case loses. It's a grift by him for cash to pay off debts, nothing more.

As much as I'd like to agree with you, I just feel that Trump's got a few more stunts up his sleeve before inauguration day. Even then he's whipped up his base into such a frenzy that I fear chaos will ensue for a few months yet

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Midfielder

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7 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

As much as I'd like to agree with you, I just feel that Trump's got a few more stunts up his sleeve before inauguration day. Even then he's whipped up his base into such a frenzy that I fear chaos will ensue for a few months yet

Could not agree more I would not be surprised if he appointed Rudi to replace Barr and for Rudi to issue an arrest warrant for many democrats ... Trump seems to have the support of many of the county police departments and many police.. 

Then declare Biden cannot take office as he is charged... 

Whether or not the US can recover from this IMO is also doubtful

Again my opinion  ... I cannot see any leader being able to unite the country as there are so many players who make wild claims very often totally baseless however they are taken as truth...

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46 minutes ago, MartinTyler said:

As much as I'd like to agree with you, I just feel that Trump's got a few more stunts up his sleeve before inauguration day. Even then he's whipped up his base into such a frenzy that I fear chaos will ensue for a few months yet

Makes our system of change look Lily white

Election declared, all departments in caretaker mode until new govt sworn in, no matter who wins the election 

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Davo

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2 hours ago, Midfielder said:

Could not agree more I would not be surprised if he appointed Rudi to replace Barr and for Rudi to issue an arrest warrant for many democrats ... Trump seems to have the support of many of the county police departments and many police.. 

Then declare Biden cannot take office as he is charged... 

Whether or not the US can recover from this IMO is also doubtful

Again my opinion  ... I cannot see any leader being able to unite the country as there are so many players who make wild claims very often totally baseless however they are taken as truth...

I don't think it'll come to that. My guess is Trump is doing this for three reasons.

First it's to grift more money out of his base. His campaign has been fundraising for an "Election Defense Fund" to fight his cases in court, although if you read the fine print most donations can be used for whatever he wants. He's been using the money to pay some debts and pay family members.

Second is to lay the groundwork for public support when he inevitably ends up in court in the next few years. If he can convince his base that the Dems are corrupt and "stole" the election he can claim to be a victim of political persecution when they slap him with legitimate charges for the crimes he's committed.

Third is setting things up for a 2024 bid. Part of this is his inability to accept that he lost but I also think this feeds into the second point. The sooner he can start his 2024 campaign the sooner he can claim that any efforts to prosecute him are just the Dems trying to stop him from running again.

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Sithslayer1991

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One of the biggest issues with US is that they have essentially created an us vs them mentality essentially having a Republican side and Democrat side in the US. The one thing the 2 parties agreed on is making it almost impossible for a 3rd party to challenge them and with both having pockets with corporations and media outlets you have lots people that get forgotten about, like improving healthcare is considered Socialist when it should be a citizens right to have healthcare regardless of status. Looking from outside in US is a hole.

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