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  • Wanderers Dumped From Finals In Week One


    The second elimination final of the A-League finals series took place in Parramatta with Melbourne Victory booking their spot in the two legged semi-final against Premiership winners Auckland FC, following their comfortable 2-1 win against an atrocious low energy Wanderers rabble, Victory scoring through Kasey Bos & Zinedine Machach either side of Zac Sapsford and his only goal of the game for the home team.

    Both teams were unchanged from their results in the final week of the regular season, Western Sydney securing their home final with a 3-1 win over Macarthur, Victory with a 1-1 draw against Newcastle that ultimately didn't matter with their 5th place finish. Alex Bonetig had come off early in the final round but he was in his normal central defensive position. Victory were missing Mitch Langerak in goals due to his ongoing foot injury, Alex Badolato ineligible to play due to his status as a Victory loan player from WSW. Both teams had serious firepower off the bench, the visitors had Bruno Fornaroli and the home team Marcus Antonsson and Juan Mata.

    Melbourne Victory had the best chance of the opening stages, with Nishan Velupillay beating Gabriel Cleur for pace and his cutback was met by Zinedine Machach only for the fullback from the other side, Alex Gersbach swooped in with a key block. The Wanderers countered lightning quick to turn the Victory around and causing 20 year old defender Joshua Inserra to drag the attacker down on halfway and copped a clear yellow card.

    The Wanderers didn't heed the warning of the opening minutes and paid the price. Victory fullback Kasey Bos took advantage of Cleur getting caught ballwatching & drifting well inside, Daniel Arzani found him with a simple ball and the fullbacks second touch was a shot that Thomas got a hand to but couldn't stop from falling past him into the back of the net to make it 1-0 after 7 minutes.

    It was a simple combination from Borrello and Sapsford that drew the teams level. Borrello received the ball facing toward goal right in front, he took a stutter step to deceive and distract the defence from the run of Sapsford on his right, played the ball in neatly with the space given and Sapsford blasted it past Jack Duncan with the help of a deflection.

    Alex Gersbach had a double chance on the 37th, the ball fell into an acre of space inside the Victory area and he sprinted on and Ryan Teague came across at just the right time to block it out for a corner that Anthony Pantazopoulos rose highest at the back stick but couldn't get on target.

    Machach retained the lead for the Victory with 4 minutes left in the first half. Arzani started the move on the left wing, beating a pair of challenges from Nicolas Milanovic and then Cleur, cutting back from the byline, Kraev did enough to prevent an initial strike but no-one in red & black was in position to stop Machach's instinctive side foot effort that navigated through a sea of legs and past Thomas who was still on the turf having dived prematurely moments earlier. The half-time 2-1 lead was a deserved one for Victory having punished Cleur for his weak tackling and poor positional play.

    There was little reaction after the break, Victory continued with their superior ball & player movement and threw in a pitch of classic time wasting whenever a foul went their way the player would take a seat and be allowed to receive treatment instead of having to leave the field or get up and play on. With 18 to go in regulation Alen Stajcic went for a triple change with Antonsson, Mata & Jarrod Carluccio on for some much needed energy & technical quality. Josh Brillante, Sapsford & Cleur made way. Seconds later Velupillay almost added a 3rd with an ambitious turning volley that flashed past the far post.

    Borrello won a free kick not far out from goal in the 74th minute, Duncan set his wall while Milanovic & Mata stood over the ball. Milanovic looked more likely to shoot and he tried the Ronaldo style dipper but it hit the wall and the rebound went to Mata who dinked it back into mixer only to find that no-one had managed to retreat enough to make a second run. Josh Rawlins came in for the final 10 in place of the carded Inserra.

    Mata had spent half the season looking for his second A-League goal and it seemed to have arrived on a silver platter when Gersbach took advantage of a cramp to Arzani who went down in the box instead of defending, and expected Gersbach to play the ball out. Instead Gersbach played it across the 18 yard box and with the whole of the stadium expecting him to bulge the old onion bag he blazed it over the bar like it was a Pantazopoulos goal kick. Arzani made way for Santos Rodrigues as a result of the cramp, followed by Fornaroli & Jing Reec on for Velupillay & Machach and the Wanderers final throw of the dice Aydan Hammond for Milanovic who had tried hard but failed to have any significant impact.

    There was precious little attacking thrust in the final seconds, the Wanderers starters were out on their feet and all they could muster was a quarter-chance where the two central defenders combined for Pantazopoulos to head it well wide. One final opportunity to spring forward came with Mata & Priestman but summed up the game when Priestman managed to send a 3 meter pass over the sideline instead of forward to enable an attack.

    It was an insipid, limp, dismally poor second half, there was maybe two good chances in the entire 50 minutes played and none of the subs made any impact whatsoever. Mata finally had his chance to display his quality and drag his team back level but instead he turned into an AFL player and put his shot up and over the goals so much it might have hit passing traffic on the O'Connell Street bridge.  This season was yet another that began poorly and was only rescued by a late charge, but just like in 2022/23 the first finals game proved too much of a hurdle to jump, leaving the fans frustrated yet again with a wasted season. The Wanderers now have to rebuild for a likely October kickoff for 2025/26 under the auspices of a new salary cap direction, without Milanovic and a raft of players coming off contract including Mata, Sapsford, Cleur, Antonsson and Clisby.

    The remainder of the finals series will be Auckland FC vs Melbourne Victory & Western United vs Melbourne City in a two legged Semi-Final followed by the A-League Grand Final to be played on Saturday 31st of May or Sunday 1st of June.


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    StringerBellend

    Posted

    Just watch the highlights, the marking for the the first goal looks just as bad on TV, while the second goal looks worse.

    Sapsford is ace though isn't he? If he keeps progressing he'll hit 15+ goals next year.

    SBW

    Posted

    Regarding the RB situation, we had Laws on the bench, I'm sure he can play RB, he would have been more reliable than Carluccio at defending

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, SBW said:

    Regarding the RB situation, we had Laws on the bench, I'm sure he can play RB, he would have been more reliable than Carluccio at defending

    It was too late by the time Carluccio came on the damage was done. 

     

    Smoggy

    Posted (edited)

    30 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    So what was Big Al upset about? 

    https://www.theroar.com.au/soccer/video/watch-a-league-coaches-need-to-be-separated-after-tense-clash-following-elimination-final-1425416/

    Also what were our fans booing at the end of? Referee, he wasn't great but had no bearing on the result? Victory they just played better football? Our team, they tried hard and just wasnt their night? 

     

    There was booing through the second half around when MV had a set play and they sauntered over to take it, that was the only booing I heard. I particularly give 10 out of 10 play acting regarding when the ball went out for an MV corner and they pretended they didn’t know and then had a pretend discussion and a fake ‘oh yeah..I am on corners’ reaction followed by…..a…..very….slow…..stroll….towards……the…………..corner……

    Award winning acting there. I think the ref loved it too as I don’t think at any point he told them to ******* get on with it.

    Edited by Smoggy
    PedroPony

    Posted (edited)

    1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

    So what was Big Al upset about? 

    https://www.theroar.com.au/soccer/video/watch-a-league-coaches-need-to-be-separated-after-tense-clash-following-elimination-final-1425416/

    Also what were our fans booing at the end of? Referee, he wasn't great but had no bearing on the result? Victory they just played better football? Our team, they tried hard and just wasnt their night? 

     

    I assume Staj was frustrated by the time wasting. It was pretty bad but it's on the ref to deal with it better. 

    Not sure what the fans were booing for. I managed to get to 19 games this season (every game in NSW) and saw excellent growth and commitment from these players. All we needed last night for things to click for one of our attacking players, but it just didn't happen. Arzani has a stand out game for MV. That's about it. It happens.

    Edited by PedroPony
    mack

    Posted

    1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

    Sapsford is ace though isn't he? If he keeps progressing he'll hit 15+ goals next year.

    That might not be at WSW.

    PedroPony

    Posted

    Another take on all this is that maybe you are better of if you have recently lost to the team you are playing in the finals. 2 seasons ago we beat the smurfs 4-0, then lost in the final. This season we had our amazing comeback against MV and then lost to them in the finals. Maybe you need a good loss so you can figure out what to tweak.

    Zelinsky

    Posted

    1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

    So what was Big Al upset about? 

    https://www.theroar.com.au/soccer/video/watch-a-league-coaches-need-to-be-separated-after-tense-clash-following-elimination-final-1425416/

    Also what were our fans booing at the end of? Referee, he wasn't great but had no bearing on the result? Victory they just played better football? Our team, they tried hard and just wasnt their night? 

     

    Diles and Stajcic exchanged pleasantries a few weeks ago after the 4:2.  

    Unlimited

    Posted

    1 hour ago, PedroPony said:

    I assume Staj was frustrated by the time wasting. It was pretty bad but it's on the ref to deal with it better. 

    Not sure what the fans were booing for. I managed to get to 19 games this season (every game in NSW) and saw excellent growth and commitment from these players. All we needed last night for things to click for one of our attacking players, but it just didn't happen. Arzani has a stand out game for MV. That's about it. It happens.

    I was in the Eastern stand and we had some boos, but mainly due to the referee. I can't remember exactly what for but I think he called for a throw-in at the very end when it was unclear if the ball even went out, but then before the throw-in could be taken, decides to call full time

    My issue with that was more whether the ball had gone out as I was trying to see what the assistant had flagged, if at all, because it didn't look to me that the ball had gone out

    William

    Posted

    It was below us and the ball did not go out but I do think Kersey frustrated out players like he did the crowd with his lack of dealing with the methods employed by Victory to slow the game down and it was most of the second half,  if we had of gone in to half time at 1-1 I think the game could have been a little different with a lot more open play but to Victory’s credit they exploited an extremely poor referee 

    Nathg

    Posted

    Complete piss take when either Machach or Vergos was getting subbed off, he started walking from middle of the pitch, Kersey had a word, so he started to “jog” off. Was basically jogging on the spot.

    Same as mentioned earlier with the time wasting at the throw in. 
     

    This sort of time wasting is turning people away from the game, and is able to be completely controlled by the referee. Hell, even change the rules. Substitution has to be made within 10 seconds(unless injury) otherwise the incoming player receives a yellow card. 
     

    A good thing about NRL, time waste all you want, the ref stops the clock.

    Smoggy

    Posted (edited)

    3 hours ago, PedroPony said:

    Another take on all this is that maybe you are better of if you have recently lost to the team you are playing in the finals. 2 seasons ago we beat the smurfs 4-0, then lost in the final. This season we had our amazing comeback against MV and then lost to them in the finals. Maybe you need a good loss so you can figure out what to tweak.

    Let me take you back to the second half of the season 1997, early March 97 to be precise where I was a long haired youth in the away corner at Martin O’Neil’s Leicester City. Boro had all the big names then such as Juninho and Ravanelli and were in the League cup final at Wembley, also against Leicester, just a few weeks later, so a warm up for that. Boro absolutely destroyed Leicester that day, I think we were 3 up at half time..ripped them apart on the counter.

    Fast forward a few weeks to Wembley, totally different game as O’Neil set out to frustrate and not give any room. It’s was a dour final of few chances, just as O’Neil wanted, it finished 1 - 1 and still replayed in those days, which Leicester won.

    O’Neil came out and said after the win he knew how to beat us after that league game where we ripped them apart. He came up with a plan, and it worked. We lost the cup final the day we thrashed them at their place.

    This was similar I think. 

    Edited by Smoggy
    Smoggy

    Posted (edited)

    14 minutes ago, Nathg said:

    Complete piss take when either Machach or Vergos was getting subbed off, he started walking from middle of the pitch, Kersey had a word, so he started to “jog” off. Was basically jogging on the spot.

    Same as mentioned earlier with the time wasting at the throw in. 
     

    This sort of time wasting is turning people away from the game, and is able to be completely controlled by the referee. Hell, even change the rules. Substitution has to be made within 10 seconds(unless injury) otherwise the incoming player receives a yellow card. 
     

    A good thing about NRL, time waste all you want, the ref stops the clock.

    I was shocked only 6 mins injury time tbh.

    Edited by Smoggy
    BoyFromTheWest

    Posted

    I thought that Milanovic was quite poor in defending, especially the first goal. It was clear we were trying to cover Arzani, Vellupilay and Machach. Cleur had moved more central to full that space but Milo was floating forward not really covering anyone - it was obvious several times.

    He actually was pretty ineffective for most of the game, even when shifted to the left wing. We needed him creating chaos up front but it wasn't there. None of his shots had any zing. He's been fading over the last few weeks now.

    They were more experienced across the park and youthful enthusiasm could only get us so far. Vergos should have received several warnings and yellows for hanging around inside the pen area whilst we were taking goal kicks. He acted his way through the game trying to milk free kicks, argued with the ref at every point but Kersey ignored it. They really pushed us off the ball too often and Arzani had a couple of moments of brilliance amidst Logie-award acting. I don't like them.

    The vision at the end looked Diles pointed at Staj after they shook hands and said something then Staj came back - whether he said something first...

    I confess I'm not really much on the finals series overall. I think the best team is the one who gets over the line after 26 rounds. We were 4th, which is far more than I'd have given them at seasons start with so much inexperience and Youth. Auckland have a much older experienced team and Vuck are older overall - both much more experienced players and especially in bigger games. We will learn and be better if we can hold the team together. Also, a couple of really poor VAR decisive in the last few rounds may have cost us second... That would have been a very different situating. Anyway...

    Unlimited

    Posted

    I've got no problem with time wasting because it's a slippery slope once you start saying X number of seconds for whatever and you'll get the mess similar to "well, what is handball anyway?"

    At the end of the day, referee is aware that it is happening and should add the time back at the end.

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    33 minutes ago, Unlimited said:

    I've got no problem with time wasting because it's a slippery slope once you start saying X number of seconds for whatever and you'll get the mess similar to "well, what is handball anyway?"

    At the end of the day, referee is aware that it is happening and should add the time back at the end.

    Should being the.word.

    Also it isn't just the time, it kills momentum.

     

    WSWJACK

    Posted

    I have no problem if FiFA came out today and announced stop the clock for substitutions , in fact they are overdue, when the stadium clock hits 90 minutes then blow the whistle, that way everyone knows 🕺🎤

    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    16 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

    We had one shot on target in the second half, and that was tame straight at the keeper. I really thought we would put them under pressure second half but we just couldn't get into the game.

    No we had 3... All at the keeper. Mata's skied one was actually the best opportunity we made in the 2nd half he really should have scored that. 

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    38 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

    No we had 3... All at the keeper. Mata's skied one was actually the best opportunity we made in the 2nd half he really should have scored that. 

    That many!

    Felt like less, we really never put the under that much pressure 

    mata miss was bad 

    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    That many!

    Felt like less, we really never put the under that much pressure 

    mata miss was bad 

    You have to give Victory credit. That 2nd goal killed us. Victory went into game management mode. Priestmann and Brillante were unable to push through midfield so we resorted to long balls to Sapsford. They were very quick to kill the space. They also forced Milanovic to have the ball in the defensive half they only used the right side to attack but most of Victory's build up play was on Kraev's side. By the 65th minute they were playing with 11 behind the ball, but flooding that central area and stopping the triangles. 

    We had the better of them in the season but its clear Diles knew he threw away the 2nd game that we won 4-2, and had looked at what worked for them and what went against them. He also looked at how to immobolise our midfield play as from the 1st game we were able to dominate and the 2nd game we eventually found control, this one we only really had control for 20 minutes in the first half.

     

    SBW

    Posted

    BTW, I think the club needs to cutback on the hype videos and stop replicating the Penrith Panthers socials.

    Its kind of cringy and at times comes back and bites us.

    scarcev

    Posted

    Best way to avoid timewasting is to get in front and best way to avoid a sudden death game is to finish top2.  We had the ability to do both of these things and did neither so can't complain.  The game was refereed well compared to others this year and they were up for a fight, and we weren't. 

     

    The difference between the two teams can be summed up in the 5min period in the first 10 minutes, we were on the break and Inserra came across and brutally cleaned up Borello and copped a yellow, two minutes later Arzani tracks infield field in between Kraev and Brillante and Borello and Sapsford also just watched, one of the 4 should have busted him up for coming into the middle, no one got near him, Milanovic and Cleaur both made poor defensive decisions (exactly the same for both goals) and they scored. They were ruthless it was boys against men, no one to blame but ourselves and that is all players and all coaches. 

    If our previous seasons had not been so rubbish, this season would be seen as another failure.  

    Smoggy

    Posted (edited)

    1 hour ago, scarcev said:

    Best way to avoid timewasting is to get in front and best way to avoid a sudden death game is to finish top2.  We had the ability to do both of these things and did neither so can't complain.  The game was refereed well compared to others this year and they were up for a fight, and we weren't. 

     

    The difference between the two teams can be summed up in the 5min period in the first 10 minutes, we were on the break and Inserra came across and brutally cleaned up Borello and copped a yellow, two minutes later Arzani tracks infield field in between Kraev and Brillante and Borello and Sapsford also just watched, one of the 4 should have busted him up for coming into the middle, no one got near him, Milanovic and Cleaur both made poor defensive decisions (exactly the same for both goals) and they scored. They were ruthless it was boys against men, no one to blame but ourselves and that is all players and all coaches. 

    If our previous seasons had not been so rubbish, this season would be seen as another failure.  

    I think the MV time wasting in this instance wasn't about being in front, it was part of the bigger game plan to slow the pace down, to frustrate on and off the pitch. They timewasted from the first kick to that last. We never got the opportunity to find out what they would have done should we have gone in front but then their game plan worked a treat.

    It's up to management (especially at half time) to look at what MV are doing and try and change it...

    It's disappointing we couldn't find a way to counteract what MV were doing. I expected much more second half.

    MV came up with a plan following their 4-2 loss, i think we just went in hoping for the same and paid the price. We were done over tactically good and proper.

    Bet the MV manager was buzzing as great when a plan like that is developed and executed, so fair play to him.

    Edited by Smoggy
    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    23 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    I think the MV time wasting in this instance wasn't about being in front, it was part of the bigger game plan to slow the pace down, to frustrate on and off the pitch. They timewasted from the first kick to that last. We never got the opportunity to find out what they would have done should we have gone in front but then their game plan worked a treat.

    It's up to management (especially at half time) to look at what MV are doing and try and change it...

    It's disappointing we couldn't find a way to counteract what MV were doing. I expected much more second half.

    MV came up with a plan following their 4-2 loss, i think we just went in hoping for the same and paid the price. We were done over tactically good and proper.

    Bet the MV manager was buzzing as great when a plan like that is developed and executed, so fair play to him.

    Yea I think they looked at the Brisbane game at home where we looked out of sorts because they kept going down. We never really came to grips with that tactic and so couldn't build the momentum, and when MV was employing it in the 2nd half its just so difficult to get out of.

     

    JackDoff

    Posted

    I don’t understand why from the kick off we didn’t just go for Arzani. Start niggling him and he loses concentration, starts sulking etc. Smash him hard a few times ffs! The whole vibe of the team was off, like they couldn’t get out of 2nd gear, except for about 20mins when we scored. Oh well , there’s always next season…..

    Smoggy

    Posted (edited)

    10 minutes ago, JackDoff said:

    I don’t understand why from the kick off we didn’t just go for Arzani. Start niggling him and he loses concentration, starts sulking etc. Smash him hard a few times ffs! The whole vibe of the team was off, like they couldn’t get out of 2nd gear, except for about 20mins when we scored. Oh well , there’s always next season…..

    This is where you need like a Marcelo type...to niggle...and get under their skin. Or a mouthy ****er like Santalab was....

    Maybe.....we are a bit too nice lol

    Edited by Smoggy
    SBW

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Smoggy said:

    This is where you need like a Marcelo type...to niggle...and get under their skin. Or a mouthy ****er like Santalab was....

    Maybe.....we are a bit too nice lol

    yep that, I think we are too nice, but I think thats the kind of player Dylan Scicluna is, but other than him, we don't have that kind of player that can niggle, Santa, Marcelo, Alberto, La Rocca and lesser extent Bulut were able to piss other players off on the field

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    1 hour ago, SBW said:

    yep that, I think we are too nice, but I think thats the kind of player Dylan Scicluna is, but other than him, we don't have that kind of player that can niggle, Santa, Marcelo, Alberto, La Rocca and lesser extent Bulut were able to piss other players off on the field

    NTS

     

    4 hours ago, Smoggy said:

    I think the MV time wasting in this instance wasn't about being in front, it was part of the bigger game plan to slow the pace down, to frustrate on and off the pitch. They timewasted from the first kick to that last. We never got the opportunity to find out what they would have done should we have gone in front but then their game plan worked a treat.

    It's up to management (especially at half time) to look at what MV are doing and try and change it...

    It's disappointing we couldn't find a way to counteract what MV were doing. I expected much more second half.

    MV came up with a plan following their 4-2 loss, i think we just went in hoping for the same and paid the price. We were done over tactically good and proper.

    Bet the MV manager was buzzing as great when a plan like that is developed and executed, so fair play to him.

    It was to stop us getting a role on they were slowing things down at 1 1.  That said if you are behind you don't allow a game down.

    This felt like what happens in most Derby's we go behind and the other team slow everything down.

    If we were 2-1 up they wouldn't be rolling round on the ground and calling stretchers 

    JackDoff

    Posted

    1 hour ago, SBW said:

    yep that, I think we are too nice, but I think thats the kind of player Dylan Scicluna is, but other than him, we don't have that kind of player that can niggle, Santa, Marcelo, Alberto, La Rocca and lesser extent Bulut were able to piss other players off on the field

    La Rocca milking the foul then getting the player red carded vs Guangzhou 1st leg QF :xnod:  What’s Chiellini doing? 🤔




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