WSW Player's Salary Bill 2015/16 Season

[Taurus]

Negotiations between the FFA & PFA in regard to a new CBA have broken down, therefore, I shall use the financials that applied prior to 30th June 2015, as the basis for my calculations.

 

Salary Cap - $2,550,000

 

Minimum 85% - $2,167.500

 

I've taken the time to estimate the individual salaries for each of our 24 (of a possible 26) contracted players.

 

I have undertaking this exercise in an attempt to establish the portion of salary cap space that remains, for the additional visa signing(s) & the overall percentage of the cap WSW will spend in 2015/16. I fully expect that one of our remaining visa signing(s) will be of Marquee status. 

 

Clubs are permitted to sign 2 Marquee players, 1 x Player of any nationality & 1 x Australian player. The salaries paid to these players are exempt from the salary cap. Clubs can sign 1 x Youth player marquee but this is not a common practice & there is a salary ceiling of approx. 120k.  

 

Please note that the 3 x U21 players must be paid a minimum salary of 41k each under the cap, however, the salaries paid to the 3 x First Team U21 'Development Contracted' players are inconsequential, for the purpose of this exercise, as they are paid outside the provisions of the salary cap.

 

The figures I have quoted for each player are estimates only & may vary considerably, from what the players are actually being paid, or what someone else reading this piece, believes they are being paid or should be paid.  

 

All salary estimates are in 000's. 

 

Current squad as at 4/7/15. 

 

Contracts Expiring End 2015/16
Alusine Fofanah (First Team U21 Dev Contract) N/A

Andreu Guerao Mayoral (foreign) $120

Brendon Santalab $100
Daniel Alessi (First Team U21 Dev Contract) N/A 
Dean Bouzanis $100
Golgol Mebrahtu $75

Jaushua Sotirio (U21) $41
Jonathan Aspropotamitis (U21) $41
Labinot Haliti $80

Liam Youlley (First Team U21 Dev Contract) N/A
Mateo Poljak (foreign) $120
Matthew Spiranovic ($450 - Australian Marquee)
Romeo Castelen (foreign) $350
Shannon Cole $80

Shayne D’Cunha (U21) $41
 
Contracts Expiring End 2016/17

Andrew Redmayne $75

Brendan Hamill $100

Jacob Pepper $75
Kearyn Baccus $60
Mark Bridge $150

Mitch Nichols $150
Nikolai Topor-Stanley $200
Scott Jamieson $100

Scott Neville $75

 

Estimated spend ex Marquee = 2,133k

Salary Cap space remaining   =   417k

Minimum spend required         =  34.5k
 

 

Let the debate begin.     

[West13]

I reckon jamo would be on more than $100. Maybe 120-130?

 

Maybe some undercooking spread across with let's say $300-350 left in the cap? That's still a handy foreigner plus marquee to go..

 

I'd be saddened if we didn't spend the whole cap, unless we are putting it toward super marquee. Like Jorge Valdivia.

I reckon jamo would be on more than $100. Maybe 120-130?

 

Maybe some undercooking spread across with let's say $300-350 left in the cap? That's still a handy foreigner plus marquee to go..

 

I'd be saddened if we didn't spend the whole cap, unless we are putting it toward super marquee. Like Jorge Valdivia.

[Tranquilo]

FIRST

marquee international im hinting will be for a top notch goal taker. 

Nek Menit Bulut back to wsw!!

[Nnnnnathan12]

It all seems fairly reasonable to me, 

What would the under 18 kids actually be on?
I'm assuming that because they're still under 18 that they would be some legal and taxation factors that decide their income and also an agreement with their parents/legal guardians?

[Jukes01]

One thing is for certain. Its hard to fit players under the salary cap. Sure some players might be on more and others would be on less, regardless trying to fit the squad under that 2.55M mark is difficult. 

[Tranquilo]

thought Bouzanis would be around the 150k-200k mark

[Nnnnnathan12]

thought Bouzanis would be around the 150k-200k mark

he came from Carlise Utd in League 2 in England. 

 

$100K is probably a pay rise lol

[Jukes01]

thought Bouzanis would be around the 150k-200k mark

 

Its just an estimate of course, but, if you have a few senior players creeping up on salaries of 150k-200k, then there isnt much to go around is there. 

[Taurus]

When you take Spira's salary into account, we are already paying out the total salary cap in real terms.

[DinoPresinger]

I would say we have around 300-250 left. enough to get a pretty good foreign player under the cap.

[Flytox]

An acquaintance of mine who was a player agent said a couple of years ago that squaddies are on $65- $75k i.e. just below the Average Weekly Earnings in Australia and they tend to get paid the same in a club leaving half a dozen who get paid more and visa players are expensive i.e. > $200k.  If this is the case I'd expect we would have about $250k left or $450k with the squaddies at the bottom of the range if we aren't going to sign a visa marquee.

[Edinburgh]

It all seems fairly reasonable to me, 

What would the under 18 kids actually be on?

I'm assuming that because they're still under 18 that they would be some legal and taxation factors that decide their income and also an agreement with their parents/legal guardians?

There would be legal issues re signing contracts as they are minors. From a tax perspective they are taxed the same as adults for this type of income.

[Alexander]

It all seems fairly reasonable to me, 

What would the under 18 kids actually be on?

I'm assuming that because they're still under 18 that they would be some legal and taxation factors that decide their income and also an agreement with their parents/legal guardians?

Stupid child labour laws.

 

Awesome idea for a thread btw.

 

I suspect Bouzanis would be on that based in the fact Popa tried to so him in S1, but he was still earning to much to fit in the cap. I'm guessing he took a wage hit coming here. Although id be surprised if it was that low.

 

The other one is Mayoral. $120k? Seems low, but that is based on zero knowledge of the given rate in a lower Spanish 2nd tier team

[Taurus]

I originally had Mayoral on $150k, but marked him down based on his age & the level he was playing at in Spain. 

 

I also had Nichols on $200k based on his perceived wage whilst at Perth, but also marked him down on the basis that he probably sought to play with us, rather than us chasing him. 

 

Poljak is another player who may be earning $150k, in lieu of the $120k that I have rated him at, in this exercise.

 

Bridge may, when signing a 4 year extension, locked in a salary that is greater than I have rated him at. 

 

What I attempted to do, is take into account any adjustments that may have occurred, when season 1 & or 2 players signed extended contracts, that may still be in place now. It may only be $5k - $20k a season, based on the success we achieved, but it does make a difference when a number of players receive such increases.

 

Santalab, Cole, Hamill & Haliti are examples of players who may be slightly underrated. 

 

One thing is very clear, that had I paid all the above players what I originally rated them at, we'd only have approx 250k left in the kitty, with which to sign a quality visa player (other than a marquee) & stay within the cap. 

[Alexander]

I originally had Mayoral on $150k, but marked him down based on his age & the level he was playing at in Spain. 

 

I also had Nichols on $200k based on his perceived wage whilst at Perth, but also marked him down on the basis that he probably sought to play with us, rather than us chasing him. 

 

Poljak is another player who may be earning $150k, in lieu of the $120k that I have rated him at, in this exercise.

 

Bridge may, when signing a 4 year extension, locked in a salary that is greater than I have rated him at. 

 

What I attempted to do, is take into account any adjustments that may have occurred, when season 1 & or 2 players signed extended contracts, that may still be in place now. It may only be $5k - $20k a season, based on the success we achieved, but it does make a difference when a number of players receive such increases.

 

Santalab, Cole, Hamill & Haliti are examples of players who may be slightly underrated. 

 

One thing is very clear, that had I paid all the above players what I originally rated them at, we'd only have approx 250k left in the kitty, with which to sign a quality visa player (other than a marquee) & stay within the cap.

 

Bridget signed a four year extension? Was this at the end of season 1?

[Taurus]

Most players were signed to one year deals in season 1. 

Bridge is contracted until the end of 16/17, so either way, the deal he signed post season 1, was for a further 4 years. 

[mack]

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[matty]

Yeah I reckon there might be a few salaries that are higher than estimated. My guess would be 200k left in the cap.

 

One thing this thread does show is how damn hard it is to work in the cap!

Nice work Taurus.

[ColdRock]

Cap's not hard to work out, people are. How do you predict which players will do a job for you and which will flop? Professionals who once signed to a contract become the opposite, going through the motions at training or blanking out in games. Who'd want to be a football manager eh?

[dmixtaaa]

I believe we have between $0 and $2.5million left of the cap. Everything on this thread is pure speculation. All this thread does show is how well Popa juggled a squad of 23 (or what ever number it was) players to win an ACL in an already challenged environment, being behind the 8 ball before a ball was kicked in anger when you compare the money spent by opposition teams.

 

[Guest ZipGunBop]

I believe we have between $0 and $2.5million left of the cap. Everything on this thread is pure speculation.

I believe the minimum cap spend is 85% of 2.5 million.

 

Thats not speculating.

 

2nd line on the OP.

[Taurus]

 

I believe we have between $0 and $2.5million left of the cap. Everything on this thread is pure speculation.

I believe the minimum cap spend is 85% of 2.5 million.

 

Thats not speculating.

 

2nd line on the OP.

 

 

 

PFA have sought an increase to a minimum of 90%, in the latest round of negotiations for a new CBA.

[RedBlackOle]

Great work Taurus. This will be excellent for explaining the importance of 'squad development', rather than just 'player transfers'.

 

It does also show the critical value of the positions outside the cap too. What are the conditions re the 3 x youth dev contracts - are there upper limits?

 

Also, if someone can show me how Victory make this work, you've got a job as my accountant waiting for you...

[Taurus]

It does also show the critical value of the positions outside the cap too. What are the conditions re the 3 x youth dev contracts - are there upper limits?

 

 

 

I'm not sure I don't have a thorough understanding of the Youth Development contracts.

As far as I'm aware, they are a protection measure, used by clubs to prevent quality young players being poached by other AL clubs. 

I would assume that the salary paid to the 3 x U18 players who are signed to these professional contracts, would be less than the $41k ($800 per week) paid to the 3 x U21 contracted players, but sufficient to provide them with a living wage.

[Alexander]

Great work Taurus. This will be excellent for explaining the importance of 'squad development', rather than just 'player transfers'.

 

It does also show the critical value of the positions outside the cap too. What are the conditions re the 3 x youth dev contracts - are there upper limits?

 

Also, if someone can show me how Victory make this work, you've got a job as my accountant waiting for you...

 

They hired Melbourne Storm's accountant as a 'consultant' during the transfer window  

[ColdRock]

 

 

Great work Taurus. This will be excellent for explaining the importance of 'squad development', rather than just 'player transfers'.

 

It does also show the critical value of the positions outside the cap too. What are the conditions re the 3 x youth dev contracts - are there upper limits?

 

Also, if someone can show me how Victory make this work, you've got a job as my accountant waiting for you...

They hired Melbourne Storm's accountant as a 'consultant' during the transfer window

It's much easier to disguise rent payments as cab fare in Melbourne. Taxi to and from AAMI park for 4 nights a week = $300max.

[Larfn]

Are sponsorships included in the cap?

[DinoPresinger]

Are sponsorships included in the cap?

no but I'm sure there's some regulation to prevent collusion

[Prydzopolis]

Are sponsorships included in the cap?

In what way?

[Larfn]

 

Are sponsorships included in the cap?

In what way?

Many different ways but a couple of examples;

Player sponsored by wisdom homes gets free rental for 2 years in harbour view house or sponsor just flat gives a player a couple hundred thousand to be an ambassador for their brand.

Is there a rule saying that a contracted player isn't allowed to earn a second income which can easily be derived from "sponsors" or a helping hand so to speak through "networks"

Edited July 10, 2015 by Larfn