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2 hours ago, Legionista said:

May I ask why?

Wendy, some advice. May I? This man asks you to explain further. I don’t know how many times over many years we have asked this man to explain his enigmatic answers and gotten not even   a response, without even an acknowledgement of the question. So my advice is that if he should like to know your reasons for “meh”, he should also explain his opinion on the article HE posted and reason for posting it. Just a suggestion.  :) 

;) Luv ya Legia but fairs fair. 

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12 minutes ago, Cynth said:

Sorry just for clarity. Can you show me your source for the 33billion number? 

Multiple different sources. In fact 33 billion is a bit historical , probably much more now.

Best bet type into your search engine " Aboriginal spending jumps to 33 billion"

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20 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Those inner city trendoids couldn't care about any alleged inequality. Too busy comparing the inequality of the strength of the dope they're smoking.

I've been trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. You know, everyone's entitled to an opinion etc....

You lost me here. That's just childish rubbish.

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8 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Multiple different sources. In fact 33 billion is a bit historical , probably much more now.

Best bet type into your search engine " Aboriginal spending jumps to 33 billion"

Ummm that is not a source. 

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12 minutes ago, Cynth said:

Wendy, some advice. May I? This man asks you to explain further. I don’t know how many times over many years we have asked this man to explain his enigmatic answers and gotten not even   a response, without even an acknowledgement of the question. So my advice is that if he should like to know your reasons for “meh”, he should also explain his opinion on the article HE posted and reason for posting it. Just a suggestion.  :) 

;) Luv ya Legia but fairs fair. 

No way I was going to be sucked in to a reasoned argument about an article I couldn't be bother to read. 

Legia is a bit more inclined to engage lately, which is nice to see.

But I'm not sure if it's a sign we should be worried for him. :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Cynth said:

Ummm that is not a source. 

Yea well , that's what it is. Take it or leave it. If anyone else can get a lower figure lets have it.

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Yeah I googled the exact phrase and about half the results use words like "debunking", "fact check" or "stop spreading lies".

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https://indigenousx.com.au/debunking-33-billion/

....."The other is a portfolio set up to benefit those who know how to work a system for their own benefit (think, non-Indigenous bureaucrats, charities, organisations, corporates, and the occasional millionaire ‘philanthropist’ who usually doesn’t put any of their own money on the table for their ‘Indigenous’ charities and initiatives)."......

 

Come on down Hillsong........

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1 hour ago, Legionista said:

Stringer’s dispensed with the small talk. It’s all about the cash.

Inequality exists doesn’t it? 

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22 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Yea well , that's what it is. Take it or leave it. If anyone else can get a lower figure lets have it.

Oh well if we don’t need a source then I say 5 billion! 

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34 minutes ago, theseeker said:

Multiple different sources. In fact 33 billion is a bit historical , probably much more now.

Best bet type into your search engine " Aboriginal spending jumps to 33 billion"

You are lecturing people on how to use a search engine to look up facts?

try typing i “inequality australia”‘ in 

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6 minutes ago, Cynth said:

Oh well if we don’t need a source then I say 5 billion! 

It depends if it’s a figure he has made up if it is a fact then you need a source, but not Acoss, the Australian senate, a major need outlet they are all communists 

Reserve Bank Communists

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35 minutes ago, wendybr said:

No way I was going to be sucked in to a reasoned argument about an article I couldn't be bother to read. 

Legia is a bit more inclined to engage lately, which is nice to see.

But I'm not sure if it's a sign we should be worried for him. :lol:

You won’t get a reasoned arguement from Judith Durham just made up facts.. Legia occasionally but mostly he’s busy working on his enigmatic internet persona

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Broad sweeping generalisation based on news corp talking points/details, same thing.

 

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1 hour ago, StringerBellend said:

Inequality exists doesn’t it? 

Of course it does.

We see it every time you try to punch up to me while I'm looking down at you laughing.

Look, maybe that's a little harsh, but, Yes, yes, inequality does exist.

Now do I think it is the role of Government to rob the successful to provide equality of outcomes, No.

Hell no.

If you ever feel you are being too successful and make to much money you are free to write a cheque to the ATO my friend.

There is absolutely no doubt, that even the most disadvantaged at this time of history have more opportunity to be successful financially and in other areas of their lives than any other generation that has ever lived, by a long shot.

Get in. Earn.

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Is it the role of government to rob the disadvantaged of outcomes?

Now, you might have the view that the role of government is not to rob anyone at all. Which might be fair enough, if you stepped in with that sort of argument when it wasn't about taxing the wealthy.

If I'm taxed, why shouldn't the rich be taxed?

If it's about rewarding the contribution to the economy, sure, there's an argument to be made there. Unless they are sending profit outside of our country. Unless they are not keeping workers employed, or denying them inflationary wage rises when they get them themselves. Unless they are actually involved in manipulating money for a living as opposed to employing people. Once you turn your back on society, society has no obligation to reward you for anything.

I would say that now, in 2020, no, the most disadvantaged in our society do not have the best opportunity they've ever had either, and that's probably true of much of the western world. Get in and earn is simply not as easy as all that. The playing field is not equal from the beginning; get in often simply isn't possible.

 

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23 minutes ago, Legionista said:

Of course it does.

We see it every time you try to punch up to me while I'm looking down at you laughing.

Look, maybe that's a little harsh, but, Yes, yes, inequality does exist.

Now do I think it is the role of Government to rob the successful to provide equality of outcomes, No.

Hell no.

If you ever feel you are being too successful and make to much money you are free to write a cheque to the ATO my friend.

There is absolutely no doubt, that even the most disadvantaged at this time of history have more opportunity to be successful financially and in other areas of their lives than any other generation that has ever lived, by a long shot.

Get in. Earn.

Punch up. Lol. Oh Legia, that kind of cockiness must be lovely. Nice to see you lower yourself occasionally. 

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19 hours ago, Midfielder said:

Questions aloud the following.

Is the USA a capitalist country.... ??????

My answer is no its not.... the USA has a form of corporate capitalism which the spin doctors say is what built the country...

In a true capitalist state you have many buyers and MANY sellers..... eg Farmer Joe takes his produce to a market where many people bid for his produce.

Today however after changes to take over codes and monopolies we have created mega companies .... I think and don't hold me to this but I think Six yes Six companies control over 75% of food distribution and production world over... 

In the USA you have less than 10 media companies of any size ... 

So the USA could stand for the United Corporations of America... 

I don't know the answer but the top 10% of the top 1% in the USA have more wealth than the bottom 50 or 55% of the country I forget which, and the top 1% have more wealth than than the bottom 90%.

IMO the USA today more  reflects Europe in the days when Kings & Queens, with Lords etc ruled the place... 

The incredible skill of ultra wealthy is to convince half the poor people their issues are with the other poor people not them... in fact in you cut my taxes its actually good for you and you will be better off with better schools if you cut my taxes... better still if you cut my taxes and reduce social security to pay for the tax cuts poor people will be better off ... it has always amazed me how in the USA this argument of poor people will be better off by giving the wealthy tax cuts and reducing public spending ...  but both sides do it...

To repeat my question is the USA a capitalist country ??? 

 

Capitalism is man exploiting man.

Communism is the opposite.

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1 hour ago, Legionista said:

If you ever feel you are being too successful and make to much money you are free to write a cheque to the ATO my friend.

Absolutely terrible facebook boomer meme level post. As if you're not allowed to criticise the Government or the current tax structure unless you've volunteered to donate all your money to the ATO. It's such a transparently stupid point devoid of intelligence that it barely even functions as a "for the lulz" troll because all it does is expose the vacuous lack of wit behind it.

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1 hour ago, Legionista said:

Of course it does.

We see it every time you try to punch up to me while I'm looking down at you laughing.

Look, maybe that's a little harsh, but, Yes, yes, inequality does exist.

Now do I think it is the role of Government to rob the successful to provide equality of outcomes, No.

Hell no.

If you ever feel you are being too successful and make to much money you are free to write a cheque to the ATO my friend.

There is absolutely no doubt, that even the most disadvantaged at this time of history have more opportunity to be successful financially and in other areas of their lives than any other generation that has ever lived, by a long shot.

Get in. Earn.

See Judith now that is a view that can I disagree with :) 

As he says Of course it exists, what you do? Or if you  do anything about?  is the difference of ideals, 

 to say it doesn’t is childish 

To address legia 

I’m not such a lefty as to see equality of outcome is the aim , we are all different and without sounding too Scott Morrison  it’s ok for people to be financially rewarded for their talent, effort etc

But I do strongly believe in equality of opportunity and also in having a society that supports and values all. 

the government has a role to play in this, and I’m happy to pay tax (and more than some) to allow the government to support and better society 

as for the writing a cheque to the ATO, In effect I do, that’s how a progressive tax system works

Yes  most people are Largely better off than at any point in history, that’s progress and Be progressive, 

But we can do better And we always should aim to.

it comes down do you see value in society or is it all about the individual, 

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43 minutes ago, mack said:

Absolutely terrible facebook boomer meme level post. As if you're not allowed to criticise the Government or the current tax structure unless you've volunteered to donate all your money to the ATO. It's such a transparently stupid point devoid of intelligence that it barely even functions as a "for the lulz" troll because all it does is expose the vacuous lack of wit behind it.

Love it.

Giving your hard earned money away is exactly what you explain.

It's always someone elses money. Always. Then it's ok.

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2 hours ago, marron said:

Is it the role of government to rob the disadvantaged of outcomes?

Now, you might have the view that the role of government is not to rob anyone at all. Which might be fair enough, if you stepped in with that sort of argument when it wasn't about taxing the wealthy.

If I'm taxed, why shouldn't the rich be taxed?

If it's about rewarding the contribution to the economy, sure, there's an argument to be made there. Unless they are sending profit outside of our country. Unless they are not keeping workers employed, or denying them inflationary wage rises when they get them themselves. Unless they are actually involved in manipulating money for a living as opposed to employing people. Once you turn your back on society, society has no obligation to reward you for anything.

I would say that now, in 2020, no, the most disadvantaged in our society do not have the best opportunity they've ever had either, and that's probably true of much of the western world. Get in and earn is simply not as easy as all that. The playing field is not equal from the beginning; get in often simply isn't possible.

 

I don't think the government should get involved at all really

It should not be picking winners and losers in the economy.

I think the rich shouldn't receive tax breaks but the implementation of this becomes very difficult. They'll go elsewhere. Their companies will go and so will the jobs. We are competing for big business and investment in competition with the whole world.

Of course the best way to avoid even having to worry about that is to lift yourself up and get out of the system. That's the game.

As for what society is and is not obliged to do. Nothing.

I totally disagree with your last paragraph, if you're keen you'll earn. But there are no guarantees, and that's a point to remember. Capitalism does not guarantee you success. Being present does not suffice.

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If your keen, you’ll earn. 
 

What if you have a disability? 
What if you are raised In out of home care? 
What if you get cancer? 
What if you are bereaved and have to raise young children? 
What if you are a carer for someone who is sick or elderly? 
What if you have a brain injury?

Maybe being “keen” sometimes isn’t enough. 
 

Lifting yourself up I think is an admirable thing to do but you have to live in a bubble to think everyone has the opportunity to do that. 

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3 hours ago, Legionista said:

Of course the best way to avoid even having to worry about that is to lift yourself up and get out of the system. That's the game.

I totally disagree with your last paragraph, if you're keen you'll earn. 

 

2 hours ago, Cynth said:

If your keen, you’ll earn. 
What if you have a disability?What if you are raised In out of home care? 
What if you get cancer? 
What if you are bereaved and have to raise young children? 
What if you are a carer for someone who is sick or elderly? 
What if you have a brain injury?

Maybe being “keen” sometimes isn’t enough. 
 

Lifting yourself up I think is an admirable thing to do but you have to live in a bubble to think everyone has the opportunity to do that. 

Exactly...but that list hardly scratches the surface, of course.

What if you are a member of a family with intergenerational unemployment and poverty, with few or no positive role models, or have grown up with a parent in and out of jail, with addiction problems.

To "lift yourself up" is admirable, and many people do it.

But it's not possible for all.

 

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8 hours ago, Cynth said:

If your keen, you’ll earn. 
 

What if you have a disability? 
What if you are raised In out of home care? 
What if you get cancer? 
What if you are bereaved and have to raise young children? 
What if you are a carer for someone who is sick or elderly? 
What if you have a brain injury?

Maybe being “keen” sometimes isn’t enough. 
 

Lifting yourself up I think is an admirable thing to do but you have to live in a bubble to think everyone has the opportunity to do that. 

Small government doesn’t mean no government. 

Small compact government strengthens the safety net.

What if you’re in your 20-30’s and healthy? Should you be working?

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5 hours ago, wendybr said:

 

Exactly...but that list hardly scratches the surface, of course.

What if you are a member of a family with intergenerational unemployment and poverty, with few or no positive role models, or have grown up with a parent in and out of jail, with addiction problems.

To "lift yourself up" is admirable, and many people do it.

But it's not possible for all.

 

The list hardly scatches the surface?

No doubt. Everyone’s a victim. 

Too many victims. 

Too quick to want to become a victim.

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16 hours ago, Cynth said:

Oh well if we don’t need a source then I say 5 billion! 

Nice try , just 28 billion short of the verified figure.

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