FFA Introducing Members-Only Restrictions On Active Support?

You cannot cage a active support.

The more you tighten your grip the more we will slip through your fingers. Nanny state.

FTFFA

 

Well its not confirmed our club has actually done so, but like mack and everyone else its extremely disappointing if true.

As a usual side stand supporter seeing the active support struggle would kill the game. It is so completely backward in approach and really exposes the lack of understanding the FFA has.

I really do hope, to shove their noses in it, that wanderlands active support starts reaching into the side stands. They couldnt stop it then. What a sweet world that would be!

true but what about the away crowds we should be able totake our families on a weekend to melbourne and have them sit with usin the crowd with out having to buy memberships for them when they dont want to come e ery game.

how are families supposed to travel?

I think we should demand anwers before they release memberships.

A good point. I want to travel to a few away games this coming season and this proposed ruling definitely changes that!

Good work FFA you power the game but your not allowed in unless your a stonecutter member. Punishing other clubs is just stupid, I can see the hicks at Brisbane, adelaide and perth not bother going to games if told you can't sit in a certain section.

Thats a good point. It could go a long way to killing other clubs fans off. We want MORE people to feel welcome and free within our game, not in lock-down

Also, this would effect any buyback scheme with active members wouldnt it?

Not surprised whatsoever.

I haven't been on the forums as often as I would have liked. I return this week and this is what I see?

FFA, your killing independent Balkanite!!!

If this was to happen, a joint supporter strike is the way to go.

People Power > ffa.

ps; Gallop makes me sick!

This isn't that bad for OUR home games as we already had that this year. But for other team's home games this is completely ludicrous. The RBB was built up slowly by people moving to the northern terrace from the stands as the first season went on and eventually grew into what we have today. How are clubs like Perth/Adelaide/CCM meant to build their active support if new people can't join in? It's also particularly disastrous for clubs such as Sydney FC and Brisbane Roar who have big stadiums with big active areas that simply won't fill up with members. 





Moreover, this ******* sucks for our away games. Melbourne Heart last year we had a solid contingent of 800+ but due to this restriction the crowd was split in half and separated by a police line and a bay and we couldn't make as much noise as we'd've liked. This restriction ruined the first half of that game in terms of active support (luckily a lot was going on in the second half so we all lifted.) 

Not ******* happy janet. 

Typical FFA.

Their long history of phuk ups continues.

Arrogance, ignorance and weak willed.

All rolled into one.

**** you FFA, **** you.

Football in this country will never achieve the heights that everyone wants/expects until the FFA pull their heads out of their assholes.

You stupid, brain dead, gutless pricks.

Unbelievable.

FOAD.

I fail to understand why the FFA would want to implement this. The cost of policing it would be pretty big but I can't really see any advantage...

Anyone ever think it's perhaps a marketing ploy to make people but memberships?

Last season there was this horse **** about one need ls membership pass to get into Allianz for derby

It was rubbish everyone I know walked in no extra restrictions - and inside nothing was sanctioned off everyone forgets

Lowy knows how to con people

This how it works if we want to fight back collectively:

http://www.dw.de/silent-protests-support-bundesliga-fan-culture/a-16423746

Silent protests support Bundesliga fan culture

The silent 12:12 protests at this weekend's Bundesliga matches were about more than just a few DFL safety measures. They were about preserving what many say makes the Bundesliga the envy of Europe - its fan culture.

For two match days now, Germany's soccer fans have created an eerie new sensation at Bundesliga stadiums across the country. The first 12 minutes and 12 seconds of most of this week's games were played out in front of tens of thousands of near-silent supporters, in protest at a catalogue of new security proposals made by the German Football League (DFL) authorities.

The demonstrations had an unnerving effect on the pitch, as the players suddenly heard their calls to each other and the smack of boot on ball echoed around the stands. "I found it horrible and strange," said Frankfurt coach Armin Veh after his side's clash with Mainz on Tuesday. His captain Pirmin Schwegler added, "The first 12 minutes didn't have that Bundesliga feeling at all."

"There's no question that it's no fun," said Mainz coach Thomas Tuchel. "The fans' support is part of it. It's really odd when you can hear it buzzing and humming, and you know the place is full, but no one is saying anything."

Body searches, no fireworks

The players will have to endure it for one more match before the protest is to end on December 12, when the clubs are due to sign off on the DFL's new measures. The proposals that stick in the fans' throats most include reducing the away-support ticket allocation from 10 percent of all tickets to five percent, a ban on away support standing areas, a ban on flares and fireworks in the stadium, and full body scans for all fans.

After two days of protests largely observed by "ordinary" fans as well as "ultras," the fan organizations say the DFL is now forced to make a decision.

"Basically it's now up to the DFL to say, 'we see that everyone is against it, so we're going to reach out again for dialogue.' " said Philipp Markhardt, spokesman for the 12:12 protest initiative and supporter organization Pro Fans. "This plan would put a deep divide between the fans and the DFL."

Some clubs have also expressed their concerns about the new plans. But Hannover President Martin Kind also urged fans to read the proposals, which were published on the Bundesliga's website on Thursday, and re-consider them. After all, he argued, they had been drawn up with the interests and safety of fans in mind.

Feeling safe

But for the fans, this misses the essential point - they suspect the new report is the result of political pressure fuelled by media reports that demonize football fans as "ultras" and "hooligans." In an interview with football magazine Kicker, Thomas Weinmann, fan representative at Borussia Mönchengladbach, was at pains to make clear that, as far as he was concerned, there had been an "extreme reduction in violence" in the past few years.

"Today, a football game is a family event," he said. "Children come to the stadium, the proportion of women is often a third. The atmosphere in the stadiums is great, and mainly peaceful … I don't see a 'spiral of violence.' "

Still, that image is at odds with reports like those that appeared after Friday night's game between Fortuna Düsseldorf and Eintracht Frankfurt, where 98 people were arrested during clashes between fans outside Fortuna's stadium. And yet an "I Feel Safe" campaign that started by fans in October, and has already gathered over 57,000 signatures in an effort to convince the authorities that football violence is not as big a deal as they think.

Keeping tickets cheap

And, the fans say, there is much to lose by the new measures. For Jan-Henrik Gruszecki, spokesman for the Dortmund fans organization, the new DFL measures will cause real harm, because they will erode that unique factor that makes the Bundesliga the envy of Europe. He argues that in a league where there are no foreign oligarch owners, fan culture has a privileged position and must be preserved.

"If away fans tickets are reduced, and if eventually they even get rid of standing areas, then we will have conditions like we had in the first 12 minutes today," Gruszecki told news agency DPA. "I don't think any player or official wants that."

Weinmann added that getting rid of standing areas "would be a disaster. Think of the example of England… It's about socially inclusive prices. Without standing areas certain social groups would be marginalized. If the prices are twice as high for a seat then a lot of people can't come."

But Bundesliga chief executive Christian Seifert warned fans - if some sort of compromise isn't reached, the politicians will step in. "There is a very real threat from politicians that if we do not solve the problems we have, they will require us to have only seats, no standing, which would have the potential that prices would rise," he said. In other words, the fans should accept this deal, or risk have a worse one imposed on them.

^^ what was the outcome??

I haven't been on the forums as often as I would have liked.

 

 

^^ what was the outcome??

It was a success. They fans forced the administrators of the Bundesliga into a dialog with the fan groups. The fans really meant business, and they were even talking about a boycott of a whole round. That's how its done. Imagine no one showing up for the Sydney derby. It would send shock waves through FFA. 

Gotcha Suckers!

 

^^ what was the outcome??

 

 

It was a success. They fans forced the administrators of the Bundesliga into a dialog with the fan groups. The fans really meant business, and they were even talking about a boycott of a whole round. That's how its done. Imagine no one showing up for the Sydney derby. It would send shock waves through FFA.

 

 

^^ what was the outcome??

 

It was a success. They fans forced the administrators of the Bundesliga into a dialog with the fan groups. The fans really meant business, and they were even talking about a boycott of a whole round. That's how its done. Imagine no one showing up for the Sydney derby. It would send shock waves through FFA.

Problem is there are certain fan groups in oz who think they're above this kind of thing.

Hmmmmmm I wonder if you're talking about the Cooooooveee.

Clubs all over the country talked about FFA protecting the Wanderers. So now instead of us getting to feel what it's like to be treated like one of them, they get to feel what it's like to be treated like us. Well played De Bohun, well played.

 

 

 

^^ what was the outcome??

It was a success. They fans forced the administrators of the Bundesliga into a dialog with the fan groups. The fans really meant business, and they were even talking about a boycott of a whole round. That's how its done. Imagine no one showing up for the Sydney derby. It would send shock waves through FFA.

Problem is there are certain fan groups in oz who think they're above this kind of thing.

Hmmmmmm I wonder if you're talking about the Cooooooveee.

 

LOL No we just won't enter in an argument that doesn't concern us.

Clubs all over the country talked about FFA protecting the Wanderers. So now instead of us getting to feel what it's like to be treated like one of them, they get to feel what it's like to be treated like us. Well played De Bohun, well played.

I hoped someone would post this.

No one could have imagined that FCB, BVB and Schalke supporters could unite behind something, but it happened.

This FFA brainfart is important to us all. If a cove smurf wants to take his new girl friend to a game but cant because of FarkenFA, he will not be impressed. It happens to me already because I can't take friends and family with me into the active area. This is a big no no from a growth perspective.

No one could have imagined that FCB, BVB and Schalke supporters could unite behind something, but it happened.

 

This FFA brainfart is important to us all. If a cove smurf wants to take his mother to a game but cant because of FarkenFA, he will not be impressed. It happens to me already because I can't take friends and family with me into the active area. This is a big no no from a growth perspective.

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Who was in charge of WSW that lobbied for this? 

Who was in charge of WSW that lobbied for this? 

Well it couldn't of been Lyall Gorman.

:xbop:

He just wouldn't do that.

:cheeky:

If this is true it beggars belief how after what is it 7 or 8 years of A-league these pan licker officials still dont get it.

Although maybe not applicable here (well it may to an extent at some levels/departments) it reminds me of the "moron" leadership theory.

It goes like this:

Every top dog leader employs as his/her number 2 (ie Vice President, directors) someone slightly dumber then themselves so as not to be a threat.

When that person leaves, the second slightly dumber person takes the top job and employs as his/her number 2 someone dumber then him/her.

And so it continues so the more and more changes of leadership the dumber and dumber or more moronic they get.

Reasons why I love the A-league:

• An amazing extended community
• Great active support trying to reach new heights
• Wonderful friends

Reasons why I don't love the A-league:

• The quality of football
• Terrible management
• Plastic as all fück

If you force me to watch the A-league for the football I'm seriously not interested. If I have no vested interested in a team that comes from being apart of the wonderful community I'll switch the channel to better European football. I have to pay $50 a month to watch either way.

It will interesting to see what this does to our attendance in the terraces. If it goes the way I think it goes, I'll be turning up in casual pretty quickly. You can forget about buying merchandise.

F..k the FFA

 

 

 

 

 

^^ what was the outcome??

It was a success. They fans forced the administrators of the Bundesliga into a dialog with the fan groups. The fans really meant business, and they were even talking about a boycott of a whole round. That's how its done. Imagine no one showing up for the Sydney derby. It would send shock waves through FFA.

Problem is there are certain fan groups in oz who think they're above this kind of thing.

Hmmmmmm I wonder if you're talking about the Cooooooveee.

LOL No we just won't enter in an argument that doesn't concern us.

Not sure if joking. But pretty pathetic if this is rolled out across the league and you dont care for it. Unless you dont have others wanting to get into the cove?

No not at all my comment is in relation to making statements in support of a rivals stance in regards to the club/ffa policing when it is isolated to one or two clubs, if its a entire league issue which it appears to be of course other support groups are going to look at their options. i've spoken to other support groups in the past and recently about an active support union. could this make a this happen perhaps.