Liverpool FC Thread

[Alexander]

Apparently there is only three in the running for the top job at Anfield...Jurgen Klopp, Carlo Ancelotti and Graham Arnold.

Guess who the board will end up choosing?...

I would do just about anything to see Liverpool sign GA. The British press would savage him. Not like 90% of football writers here, who think he's god's gift Edited October 5, 2015 by Alexander

[AEK]

If they get Ancelotti, they might win the FA cup, ancelotti is a great coach and a cup specialist!

[Prydzopolis]

Apparently there is only three in the running for the top job at Anfield...Jurgen Klopp, Carlo Ancelotti and Graham Arnold.

Guess who the board will end up choosing?...

Arnold huh?

 

You must be joking right?

[braad]

Apparently Klopp has spoken to Didi hamann about Liverpool.

 

Intriguing

[braad]

Reports that we have Klopp on a 3 year deal. This being the third time LFC have approached Klopp. Once in 2012, then during the last off-season break but he was on a sabbatical and was respecting Dortmund.

I wonder if this had been the plan all along, wait until Klopps more willing before sacking BR.

Apparently his number two from Dortmund is coming too, and they want a Director of Football rather than the transfer committee currently in place.

 

I really hope this works out and they allow him to do what he wants. Nothing worse than a manager hindered by politics

[Zelinsky]

Regarding Klopp: here is what I am thinking.

 

When he took over at BVB they were on the ground. Expectations were low, and he was given time to turn things around.

He implemented the aggressive high pressing game BVB is now renowned for.

It didn't happen overnight, but took two years to be implemented. Klopp was brave enough to put three 19 year young players into his back four, and these three played the CL final five years later.

He oversaw the development of Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Sahin, Goetze, Lewandowski, Kagawa, Gundogan, Bender whose young legs were the backbone of the work intensive style of play.

His recruitment in 13/14 and especially 14/15 was unfortunate at best (didn't sign Mandzukic but chose Immobile instead). Lot of money down the drain. On top of that Klopp had been found out by the other BL clubs. He didn't have a Plan B, and when Immobile left at the end of last season he said the tactically Klopp was not up to scratch.

 

Klopp is still on hiatus because he is waiting for Pep to make up his mind. Even if Pep was to leave Bayern, I believe his successor would not be Klopp but Favre (who resigned from Gladbach a few weeks ago). The decision makers (including Pep) hold Favre in high regard, and Rummenigge and Favre are old friends. Klopp has buckleys going to Bayern, that's why he put himself back on the market.

 

I think Klopp's philosophy could work well in the EPL. But: LFC will need to consider if they will give Klopp two years to form a functional and hopefully successful team. The club might have to be patient. 

 

And finally: Klopp has a mouth on him, has been publicly undiplomatic and even offensive towards some of his players. He is still relatively unproven, only coached his home club Mainz and Dortmund. Goodness only knows how he is going to deal with high paid international footballers.

 

It has all the trimmings of a high risk appointment.

[braad]

Regarding Klopp: here is what I am thinking.

 

When he took over at BVB they were on the ground. Expectations were low, and he was given time to turn things around.

He implemented the aggressive high pressing game BVB is now renowned for.

It didn't happen overnight, but took two years to be implemented. Klopp was brave enough to put three 19 year young players into his back four, and these three played the CL final five years later.

He oversaw the development of Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Sahin, Goetze, Lewandowski, Kagawa, Gundogan, Bender whose young legs were the backbone of the work intensive style of play.

His recruitment in 13/14 and especially 14/15 was unfortunate at best (didn't sign Mandzukic but chose Immobile instead). Lot of money down the drain. On top of that Klopp had been found out by the other BL clubs. He didn't have a Plan B, and when Immobile left at the end of last season he said the tactically Klopp was not up to scratch.

 

Klopp is still on hiatus because he is waiting for Pep to make up his mind. Even if Pep was to leave Bayern, I believe his successor would not be Klopp but Favre (who resigned from Gladbach a few weeks ago). The decision makers (including Pep) hold Favre in high regard, and Rummenigge and Favre are old friends. Klopp has buckleys going to Bayern, that's why he put himself back on the market.

 

I think Klopp's philosophy could work well in the EPL. But: LFC will need to consider if they will give Klopp two years to form a functional and hopefully successful team. The club might have to be patient.

 

And finally: Klopp has a mouth on him, has been publicly undiplomatic and even offensive towards some of his players. He is still relatively unproven, only coached his home club Mainz and Dortmund. Goodness only knows how he is going to deal with high paid international footballers.

 

It has all the trimmings of a high risk appointment.

Compared to Brendan Rogers its not such a risk. We are a club in shambles and have been for a long time (barring a few years of sporadic success).

 

I used to think we would improve after Benitez, but i yearn for the years where we were at least a genuine threat in Europe. There was excitement and some spectacular results (beating barca at the nou camp, smashing Real 4-0 & besiktas 8-0 at Anfield, obviously the 3-3 CL final vs Milan).

 

The club needs a freshen up and it is risky, but we arent Manyoo, Mancity, Chelsea or even Arsenal. BR had 3 years at the helm, and truth be told, he wasn't as horrible as some are making out (his stats against our other PL managers here CLICK), but for such a big club we cant continue to be mediocre. Teams dont fear coming to Anfield anymore and the PL minnows dont see us as such a threat - we are more likely to beat the league leaders than escape with a draw vs Norwich.

[Zelinsky]

As long as you don't expect any miracles. It took Pep two years and quite a few transfers to convert Heynckes' Bayern to Pep's Bayern.

 

Coming into the EPL from the outside is hard enough. Without a pre season a new coach will find it even harder for his ideas to show on the pitch. It ain't easy playing top class football wirhout any top class players. If Klopp is the chosen one then he'll have to create these players.

[braad]

As long as you don't expect any miracles. It took Pep two years and quite a few transfers to convert Heynckes' Bayern to Pep's Bayern.

 

Coming into the EPL from the outside is hard enough. Without a pre season a new coach will find it even harder for his ideas to show on the pitch. It ain't easy playing top class football wirhout any top class players. If Klopp is the chosen one then he'll have to create these players.

Of course, there will probably be a slight rise in our results initially, but thats usually temporary. Im happy to wait to see results. Pretty much if we dont get relegated but we can see the rebuild then i will be happy.

 

The rest of this season will be part of the pre-season for next. Even then i wouldnt expect to be some type of dominant force in England.

[Stokz]

I think Klopp will be a massive signing for Liverpool, we are only 3 points of top4 so if we push for that this season, that would be massive.

 

Realistically its 5-7 finish again this season.

 

Benteke and Firmino are both players that Klopp wanted at Dortmund.

 

If we could get a Bender or Gundogan to sure the midfield pivot and then a decent CB we have the makings a very decent squad that can push for top4 next season.

[Zelinsky]

Klopp wants to bring his team (co trainer and video analyst) with him. LFC seems to insist on the two existing co-trainers to stay. Klopp also wants a say when it comes to transfers which is pretty much standard procedure in the BL. Throw in a 10 mio Euro per year and Klopp might end up a very powerful and well payed coach.

[Stokz]

From all accounts it will be no where near 10 million EUROS.

 

What I've read its around the 4.9-5 mil EUR.

 

Still a nice pay check per year.

[braad]

We have Klopp!

 

According to ze Germans (i believe, but i dont speak german)

 

http://www.sky.de/sky-sport-news/fussball/klopp-zu-liverpool-auf-sky-sport-news-hd-37484?shurl=klopp

Edited October 8, 2015 by braad

[braad]

Klopp wants to bring his team (co trainer and video analyst) with him. LFC seems to insist on the two existing co-trainers to stay. Klopp also wants a say when it comes to transfers which is pretty much standard procedure in the BL. Throw in a 10 mio Euro per year and Klopp might end up a very powerful and well payed coach.

Reported that there has been a clean out. Gary Mac (ex-player & fan favourite) will not be first team coach anymore but moves to an ambassador role, like other LFC legends Fowler & Rush.

 

Three other Brendan Rogers era first team staff are going. Klopp is bringing his #2 man Zeljko Buvac, and is expected to appoint opposition analyst Peter Krawietz and Dortmund reserve-team manager David Wagner.

 

Seems the deal is agreed to and Klopp is en route to sign and shall be announced at 10am England time, soooo 6pm-ish for us

[braad]

Im wrong. Liverpool have announced it on their social media

[Zelinsky]

From the Guardian:

 

"Assistant manager Sean O’Driscoll, first team coach Gary McAllister, head of performance Glen Driscoll and head of opposition analysis Chris Davies were all relieved of their duties on Thursday"

 

A BL coaching team to tackle the EPL - now there's something different. Happy Klopp day then.

[braad]

From the Guardian:

 

"Assistant manager Sean O’Driscoll, first team coach Gary McAllister, head of performance Glen Driscoll and head of opposition analysis Chris Davies were all relieved of their duties on Thursday"

 

A BL coaching team to tackle the EPL - now there's something different. Happy Klopp day then.

Its what every new manager dreams of, having their own team in charge. If he gets a decent purse and control over the transfers it will set him up for success (or spectacular failure), and there are no excuses...

 

 

...unless everyones injured

[ColdRock]

Same spineless players though

[Nnnnnathan12]

Regarding Klopp: here is what I am thinking.

 

When he took over at BVB they were on the ground. Expectations were low, and he was given time to turn things around.

He implemented the aggressive high pressing game BVB is now renowned for.

It didn't happen overnight, but took two years to be implemented. Klopp was brave enough to put three 19 year young players into his back four, and these three played the CL final five years later.

He oversaw the development of Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Sahin, Goetze, Lewandowski, Kagawa, Gundogan, Bender whose young legs were the backbone of the work intensive style of play.

His recruitment in 13/14 and especially 14/15 was unfortunate at best (didn't sign Mandzukic but chose Immobile instead). Lot of money down the drain. On top of that Klopp had been found out by the other BL clubs. He didn't have a Plan B, and when Immobile left at the end of last season he said the tactically Klopp was not up to scratch.

 

Klopp is still on hiatus because he is waiting for Pep to make up his mind. Even if Pep was to leave Bayern, I believe his successor would not be Klopp but Favre (who resigned from Gladbach a few weeks ago). The decision makers (including Pep) hold Favre in high regard, and Rummenigge and Favre are old friends. Klopp has buckleys going to Bayern, that's why he put himself back on the market.

 

I think Klopp's philosophy could work well in the EPL. But: LFC will need to consider if they will give Klopp two years to form a functional and hopefully successful team. The club might have to be patient.

 

And finally: Klopp has a mouth on him, has been publicly undiplomatic and even offensive towards some of his players. He is still relatively unproven, only coached his home club Mainz and Dortmund. Goodness only knows how he is going to deal with high paid international footballers.

 

It has all the trimmings of a high risk appointment.

Patience and English clubs chasing champions league football (Liverpool, Tottenham) and clubs trying to maintain that status (Manchester City, Chelsea) are two things that don't go together 

 

[ColdRock]

I'm thinking having an en vogue manager will boost the confidence of the players, translating to victories over lesser clubs. However we'll continue to lack the ticker to roll over the new big four clubs. Might scrape a UCL spot

[SBW]

 

Regarding Klopp: here is what I am thinking.

 

When he took over at BVB they were on the ground. Expectations were low, and he was given time to turn things around.

He implemented the aggressive high pressing game BVB is now renowned for.

It didn't happen overnight, but took two years to be implemented. Klopp was brave enough to put three 19 year young players into his back four, and these three played the CL final five years later.

He oversaw the development of Hummels, Subotic, Schmelzer, Sahin, Goetze, Lewandowski, Kagawa, Gundogan, Bender whose young legs were the backbone of the work intensive style of play.

His recruitment in 13/14 and especially 14/15 was unfortunate at best (didn't sign Mandzukic but chose Immobile instead). Lot of money down the drain. On top of that Klopp had been found out by the other BL clubs. He didn't have a Plan B, and when Immobile left at the end of last season he said the tactically Klopp was not up to scratch.

 

Klopp is still on hiatus because he is waiting for Pep to make up his mind. Even if Pep was to leave Bayern, I believe his successor would not be Klopp but Favre (who resigned from Gladbach a few weeks ago). The decision makers (including Pep) hold Favre in high regard, and Rummenigge and Favre are old friends. Klopp has buckleys going to Bayern, that's why he put himself back on the market.

 

I think Klopp's philosophy could work well in the EPL. But: LFC will need to consider if they will give Klopp two years to form a functional and hopefully successful team. The club might have to be patient.

 

And finally: Klopp has a mouth on him, has been publicly undiplomatic and even offensive towards some of his players. He is still relatively unproven, only coached his home club Mainz and Dortmund. Goodness only knows how he is going to deal with high paid international footballers.

 

It has all the trimmings of a high risk appointment.

 

Patience and English clubs chasing champions league football (Liverpool, Tottenham) and clubs trying to maintain that status (Manchester City, Chelsea) are two things that don't go together

One thing Liverpool fans have been told is to keep an open mind about Klopp.

 

He's not going to deliver instant success and we should expect losses along the way.

 

As for Klopp being found out... and you're right he didn't have a plan B just like Popa last season.

 

But in saying that I'm looking forward to his heavy metal football that he will bring to our club

[Stokz]

I wonder how many times Gegenpressing will be used in articles and by commentators in the next 12-18months.

[NickNova]

For all your Kloppnatics, here's a Reddit thread just on Klopp pics and gifs.

 

Enjoy

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3o7xz6/klopp_gifphotovideo_megathread/

[braad]

Here is the full youtube video of Jurgen Klopps Press interview.I just watched it, quite good. Its 25 minutes, but a good watchHave no idea what he spoke about at around the 15 minute mark as it was all in german for a few minutes. Otherwise i am excited about his demeanour and aims.

Edited October 12, 2015 by braad

[pseudonym]

For all your Kloppnatics, here's a Reddit thread just on Klopp pics and gifs.

 

Enjoy

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/3o7xz6/klopp_gifphotovideo_megathread/

 

Klopp-to-mania?

[NickNova]

Hahahaha nice one

[braad]

Just had a read of twohundredpercents older post of BR, just before Klopp had been given the job

 

http://twohundredpercent.net/?p=28089

Brendan Rodgers: Symptom Or Cause Of Liverpool’s Stasis?

by Ian | Oct 6, 2015 | Opinion, The Ball | 0 comments

At least, we might surmise, Jose Mourinho will have been happy at the timing of it all. It is, perhaps, a reflection of the twenty-four/seven nature of the modern football world that Liverpool’s decision that Brendan Rodgers’ time at Anfield was up should have been made public late on a Sunday afternoon. Somewhere, newspaper editors sighed at having to rejig their back pages to relegate the Chelsea manager’s latest post-match outburst in favour of a real life, genuine managerial sacking. The Chelsea manager’s latest implosion was shunted down the list of priorities on Monday morning’s back pages, for sure.

 

It was also deemed necessary for the club to confirm that the decision made to relieve Rodgers of his duties had been reached prior to Sunday’s draw at Goodison Park. This, presumably, was to counter criticism at letting him go in the slipstream of a decent enough result, but even this clarification raises as many questions as it answers. Was there anything that the manager might have done to save his job? What might have happened had the Liverpool team turned into an approximation of the club’s 1982 vintage and squished Everton into the turf? So many questions, so few answers, so much conjecture. Such is the nature of professional football in the twenty-first century.

 

In truth, Rodgers had been skating on wafer thin ice for more than a year. Coming relatively close to winning the Premier League in 2014 had given the club’s support reason to believe that more than twenty years in a relative Premier League wilderness might coming to a close, but the spark behind that team, Luis Suarez, was not interested in staying at the club, the money raised from his sale was frittered away on a succession of unsatisfactory new signings and last season saw Liverpool return to their recent type, misfiring in both the Premier League and the Champions League. Further big signings arrived this summer, but the club’s start to this season has been to say the least underwhelming, and it has come at a time during which the shortcomings of the other Champions League pretenders has made the identity of this season’s final top four as open as it has felt in recent years. The uncertainty at Stamford Bridge, Old Trafford and beyond, FSG might well have rationalised, was great enough to justify this sudden shuffling of the pack.

 

Squandered opportunities, however, have been a common issue in the recent history of Liverpool Football Club. During the early years of the Premier League, the club was eclipsed by Manchester United’s ruthless mastery of the new commercial landscape before them and in their rapid expansion of Old Trafford to a capacity of 76,000 whilst Anfield remained very much as it was before. Similarly, as the oligarchy came a-knocking at the door of the Premier League during the middle years of the last decade, Manchester City and Chelsea found Sheikh Mansour and Roman Abramovich gifted into their laps, whilst Liverpool ended up with Gillett & Hicks and their mismanagement instead. Whereas success during a lengthy era of stratification became the norm for Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United, it has come to be the exception for Liverpool, with successes such the club’s 2005 Champions League win being relative outliers, with a consistent ability to challenge where it really counts remaining elusive.

 

In the midst of all this, Rodgers became much derided for his post-match interview style, which occasionally seemed to lean a little too heavily on the influence of the modern middle manager. His players never did anything wrong. He could never have asked for them to give any more than they did. In this respect, though, Rodgers was no different to any other Premier League manager. The current vogue, after all, most definitely leans towards coaches calling black as white when it comes to publicly discussing the arguable shortcomings of performances on the pitch. The problem for managers begins to occur when they’re not winning enough. Scales begin to fall from eyes. The notion of defending players from negativity starts to look mildly unhinged. But Brendan Rodgers was, in this respect, only playing the game that all managers play, all the time, but results came to contradict those well rehearsed lines.

 

No small part of the problem for Rodgers in this respect was that, at Liverpool, the burden of expectation, weighed down with the ghosts of the club’s past, leant so heavily upon his shoulders. Liverpool Football Club has not – and this is a unique record in the whole of English football – lost more league matches than it has won in any one season since being relegated from the First Division at the end of the 1953/54 season. This is not just a club at which failure will not be tolerated. It’s a club at which there it can sometimes feel as of there is no understanding of what failure even feels like. At Chelsea, Manchester United and Manchester City, there are older heads who can remember more fallow spells and occasional battles against relegation. At Liverpool, those same older heads remember degrees of success of which even modern superclubs would likely be jealous, and even now a return to those days most likely feels only one managerial appointment or a couple of inspired signings away.

 

The irony at the heart of all of this conjecture is that the Champions League remains in sight for Liverpool this season, for the time being at least. The team may well currently be entrenched in the middle of the table, but it remains just three points from fourth place in the table and each of those that would be expected to finish in those four places have enough shortcomings about them for other clubs to be able to revise their ambitions for the season in an upwardly direction. At the time of writing, Jurgen Klopp is the favourite to take over this particular poisoned chalice and, should he take the job, perhaps he will be able to breathe some life into a squad of considerable talent that has been unable thus far to gel in the way that it did for a few months a couple of seasons ago. Perhaps the arrival of a charismatic manager will have a talismanic effect on them.

 

For now, though, Liverpool remains a curate’s egg of a football club, unable in recent years to consistently compete in line with the expectations of supporters, but having not fallen so far into decline as to temper those expectations. There have been flashes in both upward and downward directions in recent years, but overall the club has given the impression of being one in stasis, and both new owners and a succession of new managers and players have been unable to arrest this feeling of being stuck in some form of no man’s land after almost a quarter of a century. Perhaps expanding Anfield will give the club a nudge in the right direction, although West Ham United, Tottenham Hotspur and Chelsea are also pushing in the same direction and this may have a diluting effect on the extent to which bigger crowds will usher in the brave world that the supporters crave, whether it be new or old. There are most likely no easy solutions to Liverpool’s current sense of rudderlessness. Time will tell whether replacing Brendan Rodgers will prove to be part of a rebuilding process or little more than another distraction.

 

[ColdRock]

Klopp is the first elite manager we've brought in to the club, that's the difference. When we started going continental, we went with the French technical director. Then it was Valencia's manager, then it was back to British movers and shakers.

 

Look what Guus did to Korea and Australia, look at Capello at Madrid. Look at Ancelotti at Chelsea then Madrid, or Mourinho at Inter. Once Liverpool hit the stratosphere, we needed to get a world class manager. Instead, as Carragher pointed out, we brought in Souness and maintained level and heading.

[MartinTyler]

He may be your first elite manager but the pressure on him to succeed will be enormous which will be a big test for him !!

[braad]

He may be your first elite manager but the pressure on him to succeed will be enormous which will be a big test for him !!

Of course, but im going to say he knows that. His press conference hinted (to me at least) he knows there will be a lot of pressure. He repeatedly mentioned it is a restart and it will take time, he isnt a miracle worker (walking on water)

 

I just hope FSG give him their full backing and let him and his team do what they thinks best.

 

#theNormalone

 

 

Klopp is the first elite manager we've brought in to the club, that's the difference. When we started going continental, we went with the French technical director. Then it was Valencia's manager, then it was back to British movers and shakers.

 

Look what Guus did to Korea and Australia, look at Capello at Madrid. Look at Ancelotti at Chelsea then Madrid, or Mourinho at Inter. Once Liverpool hit the stratosphere, we needed to get a world class manager. Instead, as Carragher pointed out, we brought in Souness and maintained level and heading.

When souness came in i really did think he was a temporary fill-in.

Im not a convert of hiring legend players for coaching. Im worried about people getting carried away saying that Stevie G would be great to coach the team. Even if he is groomed for it, it doesn't mean his great on-field influence will translate to great off-field influence.