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    The Western Sydney Wanderers kicked off their 2024/25 A-League campaign in a massive, sold out Sydney Derby clash in Parramatta tonight, the visitors taking all three points with a 2-1 win, the Wanderers showing little improvement over the team that finished in 7th place last season.

    The biggest news in the lead up was national team goalkeeper Lawrence Thomas being ruled out through injury thus giving an A-League debut to 21 year old Tristan Vidackovic. There was also an A-League debut for Taewook Jeong. Off the bench there were potential A-League debuts for Dean Pelekanos and marquee attacking midfield maestro Juan Mata, with club debuts in the offing for Jordan Holmes and Ben Holliday.

    Sydney FC had the opening chance of the game as they worked the ball into the penalty area, with Joe Lolley getting on the end of a blocked shot, firing it the wrong side of the near post as he slipped on the wet turf. 9 minutes in and Zac Sapsford went down after being involved in a friendly fire head clash with Gabriel Cleur.

    Alexandar Popovic rescued SFC from going behind in the 15th minute, Sapsford crossed to the far post for Cleur and he reached out to loop the ball to the back stick where Hammond turned it past the SFC keeper but not strongly enough to score.

    Minutes later and Sydney FC were in front. Vidackovic made a horrible pass out of the 6 yard box, giving it away to Rhyan Grant, his midfield header found Patryk Klimala unmarked, one intelligent header to the side gave Lolley space, Jack Clisby in racing back lost his footing and it was all the room Lolley needed to fire in the strike to the far post giving Vidackovic no hope to atone for his erroneous distribution.

    The game flared into even more life with a pair of horrendous challenges from Sydney FC players. Klimala went into the book first and he was followed by Popovic after a wild lunge from behind into Sapsford. A melee ensued and the end result was an additional card this time for Nicolas Milanovic for joining in the fracas. Brandon Borrello continued his poor early season form by shouldering a free header on the 6 yard box that was a glorious set piece chance from a corner. Cleur was booked as well for another side lunge that stopped a promising attack. Grant also picked up a booking for his cynical foul on Hammond after he beat Cena and had Grant done for pace.

    Anas Ouahim had the opportunity to double the lead after a flowing sequence where the Wanderers couldn't get a touch on the ball for several dozen passes in a row, with SFC pasing around them at all, Anthony Caceres ran into open space on the edge of the area, touched on to Ouahim but his shot went very wide with scrambling defenders jumping in to attempt to block it.

    With seconds left in the half it seemed certain the Wanderers would equalise. Breaking out of their defensive zone, Milanovic lofted a ball over the top for Borrello who managed to get it into the mixer, then instead of settling for a corner after an initial clearance he kept the game going, found Hammond on his own, 8 yards out with 80% of the goal to aim for but Hammond scooped it well over the bar in a contender for the eventual worst miss of the season.

    Sapsford was withdrawn after half-time, replaced by Bozhidar Kraev for his A-League debut. With Alen Stajcic in the middle of preparing the introduction of Mata, his team finally pulled off a series of passes in attack that allowed Hammond to make up for his first half miss. Sydney FC tried playing out from the back instead of clearing their lines, Costa with his back to goal failed to find a team-mate with his flick pass, instead sparking a counter for the home side. Joshua Brillante dove in to knock the ball to Kraev, he played a 1-2 pass with Milanovic, on the return he delayed long enough to open space for Borrello. Borrello was cut down by Grant for what would have been a penalty had the ball not rolled into the path of Hammond who finished unerringly at the second time of asking to make it 1-1.

    Mata arrived in the 61st minute with the goalscorer Hammond coming off. His first introduction to the A-League was instantly conceded from a set piece. Playing a free kick short, Costa cut back onto his left, Mata hadn't closed down quickly enough for his lunging block to make contact, and from there it was a simple flick-on at the near post from central defender Hayden Matthews followed by Klimala stooping to conquer with a flick of his own to beat Vidackovic and leave the Wanderers and Juan Mata stunned. Klimala was robbed of another and SFC's third by a wonderful reaction save from Vidackovic, diving to his right. Pelekanos made his debut with the cramp stricken Cleur making way.

    Stajcic threw on his final subs with Marcus Antonsson and Holliday making his debut, Scicluna and Borrello making way. With 4 minutes to play Sydney FC's dirty challenges were finally punished with the ultimate sanction, Max Burgess doing a Ruben Zadkovic and being sent off mere minutes after coming on for a stomping lunge. Alex King had no hestiation to pull out the red card to setup a grandstand derby finish. Andrew Redmayne became the 8th player in Alex King's notebook, his timewasting finally being punished in the 2nd minute of stoppage time.

    Milanovic had been all but invisible all evening, he popped up in the 95th minute on the end of a cross that beat Grant but the contact was weak and the ball was snaffled by Redmayne. The dying seconds saw a pair of corners that even the Wanderers debutante keeper went up for, but it was to no avail as Sydney FC held on, claimed the 3 points and derby bragging rights and put the Stajcic era off on the wrong foot. It was a deserved loss for the home side, who managed just three shots on target, looked devoid of creativity for much of the game and had trouble maintaining defensive shape in the midfield & backline.

    The Wanderers next match is against Western United at the Wyndham Regional facility on Sunday the 27th of October with kick-off at 4pm Sydney time.


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    EmMac

    Posted

    7 hours ago, BoyFromTheWest said:

    We came away from the stadium with a more positive outlook. Thought we much better than expected given their foreward line and midfield. Talay has built a team over the last year and spent t better than any other team.

    I'm not nearly as negative as the rest of the forum, here. Mata's movement and vision is very good and he started to look like he will control things. No-one explained the quality of referees! I was impressed with Hammond and generally okay with it CB's.

    I watched Auckland and Roar, and a bit of Jets and City. Want greatly impressed with them and Vuk/CCM didn't impress me. I hate to say it but SFC feel like the team to beat this year. They bought to win not to develop players like most clubs have decided to do.

    Agreed. I don't think all the room n gloom is justified.

    • Were we better than SFC? No. 
    • Did they dominate for most of the match? Yes
    • Should we panic? No FFS. Panic mid season if we're not winning, but I think we have good bones. Its whether we can gel and whether Staj can get the best out of a mostly youthful and inexperienced team. Also we turned the ball over way too much. Which means SFC pressure tactics worked. We need to do better on holding the ball and maintaining our composure under pressure. And maybe look up and find a person to pass to rather than panic and just hoof it and hope for the best.

    And finally I genuinely can't believe the negativity re Mata. His first few touches were pedestrian but I think we them saw real glimpses after that and there were moments where he was free and we didn't use him.

    A draw was a missed opportunity last night, but the SFC win didn't worry me too much. Onwards

     

    EmMac

    Posted

    6 hours ago, GunnerWanderer said:

    Interesting I thought Costa’s influence was minimal, he did surprise me with his willingness to get back and defend though other than that I didn’t see that much to be impressed about, I saw a player out there who probably justified why he’s last club was happy to see him go… 

    Agreed. He was a whiny little b!tch and I thought we closed him down fairly well.

    Unlimited

    Posted

    Not sure why everyone is jumping on Jeong - he had an off day and maybe got a bit overwhelmed with the occasion. People are talking about him as if he didn’t play pre-season with us, he seemed fine in the Cup

    The playing out from the back thing I understand, but like it invites unnecessary pressure if the first pass is always to the goalkeeper or defender. Hopefully that gets fixed soon because it just means all our attackers are like 40m away from where the ball is. 

    Mata was good, he had one touch I remember where the ball was lobbed to him from like 30m out and he just plucked it out of the air and kept running with it. I was like “wow”

    Hammond was generally excellent as a link between the defence and attack

    Besides, the two ESFC goals were flukes anyway 

    Nathg

    Posted (edited)

    Couple more observations, Cleur looks really slow. I don’t think he had a bad game, but there were a few balls put in space ahead of him or even tracking back, where we was just really out-paced. Having 2 slow full backs (with Clisby now showing no ambition to get forward) is going to hurt!

     

    I was on the upper tier behind the RBB. Downgraded my membership to GA this year for a number of reasons, one being i was paying a stupid amount for Red membership to sit in halfway and be surrounded by opposition fans. Why were there so many FC fans in that same bay last night?! Like why would you choose to sit basically amongst the RBB?

    Edited by Nathg
    Erebus

    Posted

    First goal was terrible defending. 2 defenders basically standing off Lolley.

    Clisby is my chosen scapegoat this season until he's dropped completely.

    The race is on between Mata and Costa on who gets injured first.

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    1 hour ago, EmMac said:

    Agreed. I don't think all the room n gloom is justified.

    • Were we better than SFC? No. 
    • Did they dominate for most of the match? Yes
    • Should we panic? No FFS. Panic mid season if we're not winning, but I think we have good bones. Its whether we can gel and whether Staj can get the best out of a mostly youthful and inexperienced team. Also we turned the ball over way too much. Which means SFC pressure tactics worked. We need to do better on holding the ball and maintaining our composure under pressure. And maybe look up and find a person to pass to rather than panic and just hoof it and hope for the best.

    And finally I genuinely can't believe the negativity re Mata. His first few touches were pedestrian but I think we them saw real glimpses after that and there were moments where he was free and we didn't use him.

    A draw was a missed opportunity last night, but the SFC win didn't worry me too much. Onwards

     

    I like your optimism 

    But we will struggle this season unless we can fix CB 

    We didn't deserve a draw, we got what we deserved. We only played well for about 10 minutes 

    As for composure, it wasn't kids that lost the ball constantly it was experienced players, Brilantte and Clisby aren't going to get better with age and it's now obvious why the Korean dudes club let him go out on loan (he's Borda levels of bad).

    As for stajic this is a coach that had the golden boot winner and still managed to finish last (below a terrible WU and Jets)

     

    102megan

    Posted

    • I liked our warm-up kits. 
    • Nice to be able to support a team with some integrity, after a rough couple of seasons. 
    • Always good bumping into and catching up with fellow (long-suffering) fans, after the world’s longest offseason.  
    • I can still smell the paint from the tifo. 

    PedroPony

    Posted

    A few more thoughts.. 

    - Our best starting 11 will only have about half the players that started last night. I would like to see Thomas, Halliday, Simmons, Mata and Kraev all starting the game.

    - We were up against a side that has assembled a formidable attacking lineup. Probably the strongest in the league this season. Despite this we still only let 2 goals in.

    - Most teams will also have some shortcomings and are probably critiquing then on their own forums now. This is a lower budget league this season and the squads need to be built on a shoestring.

    I don't think we are getting any silverware this year, but we could end up at least being the best of the rest behind the top 2-3 sides (ESFC, MV etc).

     

    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Unlimited said:

    Not sure why everyone is jumping on Jeong - he had an off day and maybe got a bit overwhelmed with the occasion. People are talking about him as if he didn’t play pre-season with us, he seemed fine in the Cup

     

    For me there was a few times Bonetig and Vida bailed him out because he lost his man. Kilmala also beat Jeong on a occasion in the air.

    But also I don't agree we were outcoached. As much as I hate to say it the Smurfs have the strongest team in the league. That midfield they have is one of the strongest in the league. They are the....urhgg benchmark in the league.

    They recruited strong and thats why I look forward to the Western game who are the favourites for Wooden spoon. It will be a better indication of where we sit in the league.

    Unfortunately at this stage I am not sure we be able to beat the Smurfs in our future 2 matches. I bet we will improve but our defensive half just don't cut it against the Smurfs

    Unlimited

    Posted

    Oh I fully agree Jeong had a bad game but I’d say it’s a bad game rather than he’s a bad player

    tardotz

    Posted

    Up to a few years ago a derby loss was very painful, now it's a bit of '0h well' which is a sorry state. It also shows what this league and club did to it's supporters.

    1 hour ago, Nathg said:

    I was on the upper tier behind the RBB. Downgraded my membership to GA this year for a number of reasons, one being i was paying a stupid amount for Red membership to sit in halfway and be surrounded by opposition fans.

    I did the same , this year I downgraded my red membership and got a general one but I didn't go yesterday....I will go to other game where there is less of a chance of being treated like a criminal by the cops.

    Nobody can argue about Mata's pedigree Even if he's  static for most of the game, I'm sure we will see some fantastic ball skills and some amazing passes. 

    The main worries are Clisby and Brillante. 

    dodson

    Posted

    Regarding Aiden Simmons, in the preseason cup game against Adelaide, Kitto muscled him off the ball to score to score the winner. Same thing also happened in the intra-squad game on member day. Simmons was shepherding the ball to the keeper and Priestman pushed him off the ball and scored.

    With weak **** like that i get why he isn't first on the team sheet.

    PedroPony

    Posted

    22 minutes ago, dodson said:

    Regarding Aiden Simmons, in the preseason cup game against Adelaide, Kitto muscled him off the ball to score to score the winner. Same thing also happened in the intra-squad game on member day. Simmons was shepherding the ball to the keeper and Priestman pushed him off the ball and scored.

    With weak **** like that i get why he isn't first on the team sheet.

    Yes that is true. I wondered whether he was disengaged mentally or just not physically strong enough when that happened. 

    Don't we have 1 or 2 other young players that can play in the fullback roles besides Halliday?

    Hughesy

    Posted

    We were so slow on the ball which was compounded by our inability to play a pass in front of the bloke (supposed to be) running onto it. Wingers and fullbacks nowhere to be seen in transition which killed any attack. Uncompetitive in the air and useless on set pieces. We were giving them way too much room in the box. 

    Smurfs by contrast were passing and moving, just running rings around us. If they could hit the target it could’ve been a massacre. Costa is dangerous, he’s definitely not just here for a holiday.

    The refereeing was terrible as usual. I don’t know how that wasn’t a red in the first half. The tackle on Borrello in the second half happened in front of King and he just flat out ignored it lol. Then I thought the actual red card he gave at the end of the game was pretty harsh. Is VAR still around this season? If it is, it wasn’t doing its job last night

    StringerBellend

    Posted (edited)

    1 hour ago, PedroPony said:

    A few more thoughts.. 

    -

    I don't think we are getting any silverware this year, but we could end up at least being the best of the rest behind the top 2-3 sides (ESFC, MV etc).

     

    let's not get too ambitious 

    Oh Icarus fly not to close to the sun lest they waxy wings may melt 

    Letting "only 2 goals in" at home isn't a positive 

    Edited by StringerBellend
    Smoggy

    Posted

    38 minutes ago, Hughesy said:

    We were so slow on the ball which was compounded by our inability to play a pass in front of the bloke (supposed to be) running onto it. Wingers and fullbacks nowhere to be seen in transition which killed any attack. Uncompetitive in the air and useless on set pieces. We were giving them way too much room in the box. 

    Smurfs by contrast were passing and moving, just running rings around us. If they could hit the target it could’ve been a massacre. Costa is dangerous, he’s definitely not just here for a holiday.

    The refereeing was terrible as usual. I don’t know how that wasn’t a red in the first half. The tackle on Borrello in the second half happened in front of King and he just flat out ignored it lol. Then I thought the actual red card he gave at the end of the game was pretty harsh. Is VAR still around this season? If it is, it wasn’t doing its job last night

    I thought that about Costa too. I think we all watch different versions of the game here :lol:

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    6 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    I thought that about Costa too. I think we all watch different versions of the game here :lol:

    Costa was excellent. Maybe other people watch the same game Stajic watched as I'm convinced he doesn't watch the same game as us. 

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    So the photos that Clisby has been using to blackmail successive managers to start him. What do we thing they are of? It must be pretty bad.

    Smoggy

    Posted (edited)

    1 hour ago, Unlimited said:

     

    3 hours ago, Unlimited said:

     

    Besides, the two ESFC goals were flukes anyway 

     

    Errrrrrr.. don't see them as flukes really. That would imply something like a wicked deflection or similar. Those goals were not flukes.

    Edited by Smoggy
    StringerBellend

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Errrrrrr.. don't see them as flukes really. That would imply something like a wicked deflection or similar. Those goals were not flukes.

    There was nothing flukey about either. We just didn't mark 

    StringerBellend

    Posted (edited)

    Ok on Stajic watching a different game. I'm 10 seconds into his press conference.. apparently the game was a great spectacle 

    It could have gone either way not much in it.

    I think I dislike him more than the last guy

     

    Edited by StringerBellend
    Smoggy

    Posted (edited)

    3 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    There was nothing flukey about either. We just didn't mark 

    Clisby did a full 360 pirouette didn't he? Ended up with his back to the striker and looking over his wrong shoulder? Maybe...will have to watch it back.

    Edited by Smoggy
    PedroPony

    Posted

    34 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    let's not get too ambitious 

    Oh Icarus fly not to close to the sun lest they waxy wings may melt 

    Letting "only 2 goals in" at home isn't a positive 

    My point being that if ESFC have the best attacking visa signings known to man and we have the worst backline in the league (as some seem to think), then a 2-1 loss that could have easily been a draw or even a lucky win to us doesn't reflect that. 

    Mariners fans had written off their season 3 games in last season if you recall.

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    Stajic in presser

    Sydney are a high pressing team we knew that... They did get a goal from our goal kick...

     

    So why then knowing that did you persist in playing idiotic high risk low return balls from the back?

     

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    1 minute ago, PedroPony said:

    My point being that if ESFC have the best attacking visa signings known to man and we have the worst backline in the league (as some seem to think), then a 2-1 loss that could have easily been a draw or even a lucky win to us doesn't reflect that. 

    Mariners fans had written off their season 3 games in last season if you recall.

    It could have easily been more goals we were absolutely terrible for 80 minutes 

    Sydney have the best attack know to man .

    By God they aren't 1974 Brazil

    As for the worst defence Stajic has all off season to address this.

    Let's say that it is true then why would you play idiotic high risk, low return balls out from the keeper? Stajic is another Gumby. 

    What about finishing last in the A League made our club think of yes this is the guy to win us a league 

     

     

     

    PedroPony

    Posted (edited)

    9 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    It could have easily been more goals we were absolutely terrible for 80 minutes 

    Sydney have the best attack know to man .

    By God they aren't 1974 Brazil

    As for the worst defence Stajic has all off season to address this.

    Let's say that it is true then why would you play idiotic high risk, low return balls out from the keeper? Stajic is another Gumby. 

    What about finishing last in the A League made our club think of yes this is the guy to win us a league 

     

     

    Edited by PedroPony
    PedroPony

    Posted

    1 minute ago, PedroPony said:

     

    Not defending Staj. Just saying that we have enough in this squad to be be a top 6 side. And I am of the view that we need to settle into being a team that at least scrapes into the 6 every season. We can build from there once we achieve that.

    I agree re playing out from the back. We were playing longer balls early on and were more comfortable doing that. I don't get the obsession with trying to be entertaining. The only thing I find entertaining is winning the bloody game. I don't care how we get there.

    PedroPony

    Posted

    Just now, PedroPony said:

    Not defending Staj. Just saying that we have enough in this squad to be be a top 6 side. And I am of the view that we need to settle into being a team that at least scrapes into the 6 every season. We can build from there once we achieve that.

    I agree re playing out from the back. We were playing longer balls early on and were more comfortable doing that. I don't get the obsession with trying to be entertaining. The only thing I find entertaining is winning the bloody game. I don't care how we get there.

    Sorry messed up an edit 😂

    102megan

    Posted

    27 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    Ok on Stajic watching a different game. I'm 10 seconds into his press conference.. apparently the game was a great spectacle 

    It could have gone either way not much in it.

    I think I dislike him more than the last guy

     

    :nono: :nono:
     

    Mate, be serious for a moment. 😅




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