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    The Unite Round Derby was another Sydney FC win as they took advantage of weak defence to run out 4-2 winners in Sydney tonight.

    Major news out of the Wanderers camp was the return to the lineup of goalkeeper Lawrence Thomas from injury, coming in for Jordan Holmes after his sole appearance thus far. The only difference in the starting 11 from the 4-1 win vs the Jets was Joshua Brillante being left out entirely on a presumed injury absence. Oscar Priestman was elevated off the bench to replace him, and James Temelkovski took his place as a sub for what could be a Sydney Derby A-League debut for the 26 year old striker. Juan Mata continued his impact sub role, despite the midweek plea of player agent & former A-League player Fahid Ben Khalfallah to start the Spanish maestro.

    The first 15 was a cagey affair with neither side managing to put together a clear chance at goal, Adrian Segecic had a left footed strike but he kicked it off the turf and it went well wide. WSW went up the other end and with the pace of Nicolas Milanovic he won a corner off Courtney Jordan-Perkins. The corner routine was a training ground move that ended with Jeong Tae-Wook bringing the ball down on the edge of the 6 yard box for a Kraev shot on the turn he scooped over the bar. Neither team were able to put a shot on target in the first 25. Anthony Caceres was the first name in the referees notebook after an awful touch run away from him and was followed by a desperate late lunge. Douglas Costa continued the lack of accuracy with his 29th minute free kick from a long way out that was wide but not by much.

    Sydney FC opened the scoring with a lucky tap-in in the 32nd minute. Attacking on their left, Tae-Wook couldn't stop a cross into the penalty area that Cleur misplayed, the ball rolled to Klimala, his shot was blocked but unfortunately for the Wanderers it fell to the feet of Lolley who couldn't miss with an open net 5 yards out.

    After the goal a melee sparked when Brandon Borrello was judged to have committed a foul on Costa who went down extremely easily. The dive from Costa leading to a set-to with a variety of pushes & shoves, and Klimala throwing a head-butt at Dylan Scicluna. The head-butt went unpunished but decided somehow that Borrello deserved a yellow card along with Costa.

    The Wanderers turned a deep free kick for the home team into a lightning counter-attack, Scicluna and Zac Sapsford combined down the right, and the first time ball from the winger lead to a collision on the penalty spot between team-mates Andrew Redmayne and Lolley who was tracking back in cover defence.

    Seconds before the break Sapsford continued his incredible Derby scoring record with his 3rd Derby goal out of his 4 total! Committing 9 players deep into the Wanderers half created space for Priestman to find Milanovic on half-way, with only a single defender back it enabled Milanovic to drive forward against Aaron Gurd who was in the impossible position of having to decide to let Milanovic attack the goal unmarked or leave Sapsford free at the back post. Milanovic drew Gurd in, and beat his outstretched block attempt and Redmayne before the keeper could come out, giving Sapsford an open net tap-in at the back post to level the scores.

    The level scores lasted all of 2 minutes. Leo Sena continued his displays of diving dark arts by pretending to have been shot in the face after brief contact from Priestman, the ref paid the dive with a free kick which was a whipped in cross to the back post area, Alex Bonetig was far too slow, beaten to the ball by his opposite number Jordan-Perkins and the SFC defender nodded it past Thomas to make it 2-1.

    Anthony Pantazopoulous caused the derby to go from bad to worse for the Red & Black when he gave away a clear penalty in the 52nd minute. He threw a lazy leg at the ball to clear only to find Rhyan Grant ghosting in from his blindside and kicked him in the leg. Anas Ouahim had come on for Costa at the break and what was near enough to his first touch was sending Thomas the wrong way to make it 3-1.

    Segecic was booked for not retreating the required distance at a free kick and blocking a restart from Milanovic, who himself was booked for chopping down Courtney-Perks on the sideline. Stajcic had seen enough and went for a quadruple substitution, bringing on Marcus Antonsson, Jack Clisby, Ayden Hammond and Mata for Sapsford, Cleur, Milanovic and Priestman. Dean Pelekanos came on for Pantazopoulous in the 66th minute to use up all 5 regulation substitutions for the Wanderers.

    Antonsson tried to pull a goal back in a goal-mouth scramble, a shot on target that was blocked away by Gurd but missed by the officials. He eventually found his reward, with 12 minutes plus stoppage time to go, Mata finally made use of one of the myriad of set piece opportunities. The World Cup winner delivered an inch-perfect corner to the edge of the 6 yard box, Antonsson broke his 17 game non-scoring streak by beating Redmayne at the near post with a header.

    SFC regained their 2 goal lead four minutes later. Ouahim was allowed to stride 40 yards forward while Borrello tried and failed to stop him. His through ball was weak but the defence was even weaker, Bonetig & Clisby's powderpuff defence giving Klimala the opportunity to shoot and he found the back of the net.

    The circus tricks came out to end the game with SFC scoring a 5th. Ouahim and Caceres played off each other, Ouahim juggling the ball off his chest then volleying to the back post where newly introduced Jaiden Kucharski shot first time to his right to score.. at least until everyone was about to restart play only for the VAR to send Daniel Elder to the sideline to pull it all back for a missed foul on Jack Clisby before the attack set off. The intervention mattered little in the grand scheme of things, the game ending after 6 minutes stoppage time. Once again, a pathetic display in defence allowed an opposition team to run riot and look like scoring every time they came forward by the end of the game and wasted chance after wasted chance in attack. One wonders if there's any hope for Stajcic to turn it around even at this early stage of the season after starting it with one win from five games in the league and being knocked out in the cup by Adelaide United.

    The Wanderers next game is against Melbourne City at AAMI Park on Saturday the 30th of November, in Melbourne with kick-off at 5pm.


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    WHACKO

    Posted (edited)

    51 minutes ago, WSWJACK said:

    It wouldn't happen but wonder if Mark Robbins would like an Australian stint, he's picked up a lot of knowledge at Cov over the years.

    The way we're going we couldn't do any worse and get Tony Robbins.

    Edited by WHACKO
    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    10 hours ago, Upthehill said:

    I agree on the Mata point. Once he's up to stride and eating up space, he was great with the forward pass.

    The problem is that he makes decisions like he's still 27 and in his prime. He tried to dribble out of our box and got completely shut down. 8 Years ago he would have skipped passed Caceras and Grant without effort. We just managed to turn the ball back over, found himself in a similar position and must have decided against trying to dribble 6 blue shirts and made a suicidal back pass into space... where the only player was a blue shirt.

    Our midfield will continue to be a major issue. In a 442 you need 2 CMs who can do whats called 'disguising space'. Basically means to cut passing lanes and encourage ball carriers to seek a wide option with the LM and RB can double team the receiver. Priestman and Scicluna are ok at this, Scicluna is better. Priestman seems to play more of the enforcer role. When Brillante and Priestman are together you have 2 enforcers, no intelligent play. Mata is country mile from a true 8.

    We've cheaped out on our midfield and its showing on the scoreboard. We're the second worst defensive team and I dont even lay half the blame on Wookie (though he is a dud). I want to know what Staj's plan is come 1 January. He needs to go hard and early on bringing in solutions. 

    Lmao I have already settled he is a dud BUT he is also replacing Marcelo and its night and day. He was not the club's first choice as we know the club was chasing other players, he is getting better as he is getting use to the physicality of the league. And you have young Bonetig next to him and honestly he isn't bad but he needs an experienced person just to keep him in line at times, this is his first season as first choice defender so errors are expected.

     

    But that midifeld. I have to agree the midfield functions better with Scicluna there. Priestmann is basically Baccus so having Brillante in there with him doesn't work for the team. Staj should just go all in and start Mata there. The 2 boys need an experienced head to mentor them.

    Erebus

    Posted

    19 hours ago, Wanderboy said:

    Hayden Foxe.

    The Wanderers only ever undefeated manager. :)

    He threw away a 2 goal lead in a derby looking ahead at the FFA Cup semi final which we also got smashed in.

     

     

    Also Jeong is shite and I can't for the life of me understand how Clisby keeps getting subbed on. We concede every time he's on the park. Our defence is a comedy compared to the last couple seasons. Its back to the McGowen and Golec Hamill days of no leaders

    Smoggy

    Posted

    7 minutes ago, Erebus said:

    He threw away a 2 goal lead in a derby looking ahead at the FFA Cup semi final which we also got smashed in.

     

     

    Also Jeong is shite and I can't for the life of me understand how Clisby keeps getting subbed on. We concede every time he's on the park. Our defence is a comedy compared to the last couple seasons. Its back to the McGowen and Golec Hamill days of no leaders

    Paying to watch Clisby try and defend is killing my interest tbh.

    Hughesy

    Posted

    24 minutes ago, Erebus said:

    He threw away a 2 goal lead in a derby looking ahead at the FFA Cup semi final which we also got smashed in.

     

     

    Also Jeong is shite and I can't for the life of me understand how Clisby keeps getting subbed on. We concede every time he's on the park. Our defence is a comedy compared to the last couple seasons. Its back to the McGowen and Golec Hamill days of no leaders

    Interesting that you mention no leaders cause I often feel that we’ve never replaced the leadership that Topor and Bridgey provided, which is a big part of our problems. Most of our ‘leaders’ since they left/retired have been default choices imo

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    42 minutes ago, Smoggy said:

    Paying to watch Clisby try and defend is killing my interest tbh.

    He's shocking,totally on the wrong side of his man for one goal in the Derby

    As for Jeong he's improving. At fault for 2 goals in derby 1 only at fault for 1 in derby 2..can't say that isn't progress 

    Our defence is shocking 

    I also looked up stajs record Perth conceded 69 goals last year

    Smoggy

    Posted

    47 minutes ago, Hughesy said:

    Interesting that you mention no leaders cause I often feel that we’ve never replaced the leadership that Topor and Bridgey provided, which is a big part of our problems. Most of our ‘leaders’ since they left/retired have been default choices imo

    Best leadership we have had was the Beauchamp - Topor combo with Covid behind them. Never been bettered since.

    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    48 minutes ago, Hughesy said:

    Interesting that you mention no leaders cause I often feel that we’ve never replaced the leadership that Topor and Bridgey provided, which is a big part of our problems. Most of our ‘leaders’ since they left/retired have been default choices imo

    Marcelo was that guy the last 2 seasons. 

    Davo

    Posted

    Are people actually questioning the foul on Clisby that caused their goal to be ruled out? That doesn't even crack the top 10 for softest fouls given in that game. If it happens in the box and VAR checks it then 100% it's a pen and nobody complains.

    If you want to question anything about it maybe the two handed push in the back by Clisby to win possession right before the foul, but not the foul on Clisby.

    PedroPony

    Posted

    28 minutes ago, Sithslayer1991 said:

    Marcelo was that guy the last 2 seasons. 

    That is what we are missing. Bonetig and Jeong are at best good enough to be the 2nd central defender, but neither is leadership level. 

    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    16 minutes ago, Davo said:

    Are people actually questioning the foul on Clisby that caused their goal to be ruled out? That doesn't even crack the top 10 for softest fouls given in that game. If it happens in the box and VAR checks it then 100% it's a pen and nobody complains.

    If you want to question anything about it maybe the two handed push in the back by Clisby to win possession right before the foul, but not the foul on Clisby.

    We like being negative on this thread.

    But it was a foul comes from behind and takes out the legs.

    But We also forget up until Clisby screwed up for the 4th goal we were chasing the equaliser which is why we had so many people were forward and CMs were out of position that it was Borello tracking back. This game fell on moments and Smurfs thrive on it every time.

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    Stating the obvious but we lost the game not showing up for 10mins after halftime

    1 1 and coming back our way to 3 - 1 down in minutes

    Trying to find positives the goal in first half was a good one.

    We should score goals this year with the attack we have 

    Go again next week I guess 

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    24 minutes ago, Sime11 said:

    if we can miraculously fix the defence - we are a top 6 team - our attack has looked good at times

    Very much that's the frustrating thing, if we can  get the defence + work out how to use Mata, we are top 4 with a who knows what can happen in finals.

    At the moment we are a bottom 4 team, can't keep leaking 3 and 4 goals  

    Smoggy

    Posted

    25 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

    Very much that's the frustrating thing, if we can  get the defence + work out how to use Mata, we are top 4 with a who knows what can happen in finals.

     

    Well....top 2 reach final..home team generally wins

    ....rinse and repeat

    Bangaverage

    Posted

    Move Cleur into CB with Bonetig - Cameron and Panta down the flanks - 4 players then that want to be there and play with passion. Cleur can step up and be the leader of the back 4! Clisby can go and get stuffed

    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    3 minutes ago, Bangaverage said:

    Move Cleur into CB with Bonetig - Cameron and Panta down the flanks - 4 players then that want to be there and play with passion. Cleur can step up and be the leader of the back 4! Clisby can go and get stuffed

    Lmao I like your Clisby stance, but I think moving Cleur to CB won't be much different to Jeong at CB and all we are doing is moving a competent RB to CB, and replacing with another youth player that really isn't screaming pick me.

    If Simmons hadn't injured himself it might have been something to look at or even putting Cleur at LB. For whatever reason Staj wasn't a fan of Simmons at RB and the point is moot as Simmons is injured. Cleur is the only one in the defensive line that I have confidence in, plus he is building up that combo with Milanovic on the right. I rather he continues to build up that chemistry with Milanovic to strengthen our right side.

    SBW

    Posted

    Go to a back 3

    Play a 3-4-1-2

    Thomas

    Jeong - Bonnetig - Pants

    Sapsford - Scicluna - Priestman - Milanovic 

    Mata

    Borello - Kraev

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, SBW said:

    Go to a back 3

    Play a 3-4-1-2

    Thomas

    Jeong - Bonnetig - Pants

    Sapsford - Scicluna - Priestman - Milanovic 

    Mata

    Borello - Kraev

    Something has to change. I'd drop Jeong but, I've no idea who replaces him? Pants is a good call but then who plays left back?

    I don't think I'd go with a 3 in which basically we are trying to cover Jeong being crap by adding another CB 

     

    immortalshogun

    Posted

    Staj is almost forced now to fix our defensive issues in the upcoming window. He even conceded that our defence is horrible in the press conference, so really if he doesn’t make any moves in Jan for a CB/LB at the very least then the bloke needs to go ASAP

    MathyouWSW

    Posted

    4 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

    I also looked up stajs record Perth conceded 69 goals last year

    Well, they're almost halfway there to beat that this season.

    Davo

    Posted

    1 hour ago, SBW said:

    Go to a back 3

    Play a 3-4-1-2

    Thomas

    Jeong - Bonnetig - Pants

    Sapsford - Scicluna - Priestman - Milanovic 

    Mata

    Borello - Kraev

    Milanovic is our current top scorer and Sapsford is equal second. Putting them at wingback might help the defense but would break the one part of the team that's actually working.

    Sithslayer1991

    Posted

    1 hour ago, SBW said:

    Go to a back 3

    Play a 3-4-1-2

    Thomas

    Jeong - Bonnetig - Pants

    Sapsford - Scicluna - Priestman - Milanovic 

    Mata

    Borello - Kraev

    I like the creativeness of this. But far out just look at that midfield and defence. You can see this is Newcastle Jets territory with a lack of experience.

    It feels like fixing the defence with the current squad is akin to trying to fix something in the International Space station with limited spare parts and masking tape.

    I also wouldn't put Sapsford on the wing. He really is starting to build on his development the more he plays, and the chemistry with Borello is improving. You also need to consider that as well both are complimenting each other. You would look at Cleur at RWB but far out the man cannot cross a ball to save his life. He does have the engine for it though. So maybe Hammond but your asking a very technical player to do a lot of gruff work when you want him up high same Milanovic.

    Davo

    Posted

     

    I said it after the Adelaide game, but a basic 4-2-3-1 would solve so many of our issues.

    Nominal shape:

    Thomas

    Cleur - Jeong - Bonetig - Pantazopoulos

    Brillante - Scicluna

    Milanovic - Mata - Kraev

    Borello

    Defensive Third:

    Thomas

    Cleur - Jeong - Bonetig - Pantazopoulos

    Milanovic - Brillante - Scicluna - Kraev

    Mata - Borello

    Attacking Third:

    Thomas

    Jeong - Bonetig

    Cleur - Brillante - Pantazopoulos

    Milanovic - Mata - Borello - Scicluna - Kraev

    Nothing special, no reinventing the wheel with any false this or inverted that. Brillante doing the defensive work he's done well so far this season. Scicluna with the work rate to run box to box. Mata pulling the strings behind the attack with two behind him to ease the defensive workload. No need for the fullbacks to go too far forward and leave Clisby sized holes in behind if we turn it over. Simple two banks of four when we're defending, with Mata and Borello cutting out the passing lanes between the opposition centre backs and midfield. A front five when we have sustained possession in the final third while still having the entire back four plus Brillante as cover if we turn it over.

    Everyone's playing in their actual position. Holmes and Vidackovic as GK cover, Cleur, Beadling (if he still exists), Pantazopoulos, and Barrie as CB cover. Cameron at RB, Clisby at LB, Priestman and Pelekanos at CM, Sapsford, Hammond, Holiday, Antonsson, and Temelkovski across the front.

    PedroPony

    Posted

    7 hours ago, Sime11 said:

    if we can miraculously fix the defence - we are a top 6 team - our attack has looked good at times

    Hopefully with Thomas back in he will be working closely with Staj and the defenders to figure it out. After one of the goals I noticed that he went up to Cleur after and told him off. We definitely didn't have that up to now.

    PedroPony

    Posted

    In Staj's press conference there is a question about an exchange of words between players and people in the RBB after the game. Did anyone see what happened? I left as soon as the fi all whistle was blown. 

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    5 hours ago, MathyouWSW said:

    Well, they're almost halfway there to beat that this season.

    He can't even win that!

    StringerBellend

    Posted

    45 minutes ago, PedroPony said:

    In Staj's press conference there is a question about an exchange of words between players and people in the RBB after the game. Did anyone see what happened? I left as soon as the fi all whistle was blown. 

    Yep not a lot really.

    Players came to the RBB 

    Some chanting (couldn't hear what)

    A couple of people yelled their coaching advice at the players

    Capo offered Thomas a go on the loud hailer, which he declined

    Another dude yelled some coaching tips  

    Players walked away looking a bit sheepish.

    Edinburgh

    Posted

    3 hours ago, PedroPony said:

    In Staj's press conference there is a question about an exchange of words between players and people in the RBB after the game. Did anyone see what happened? I left as soon as the fi all whistle was blown. 

     

    2 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

    Yep not a lot really.

    Players came to the RBB 

    Some chanting (couldn't hear what)

    A couple of people yelled their coaching advice at the players

    Capo offered Thomas a go on the loud hailer, which he declined

    Another dude yelled some coaching tips  

    Players walked away looking a bit sheepish.

    I couldn't hear anything that was said by either the "advisors" or the players.

    Thomas stepped forward and appeared to agree with a lot that was said (nodding and seeming to mouth yep/ok/agree). Then he stepped away.

    Then Borello stepped forward and appeared to disagree with some of the "advice", getting a bit emotional/annoyed in the process. He then was annoyingly walking away, looking like he was leaving, but then came back to the player group before they all left sheepishly. 

    GunnerWanderer

    Posted

    On 24/11/2024 at 12:17 AM, Sithslayer1991 said:

    So my question becomes should we just stick Mata there in CDM. Just to give some experience. I mean it wasn't entirely terrible today. The 2nd half return was led by Mata dictating the play for us in midfield.

    I called for this weeks ago Brillante and preistman are almost unplayable for me at the moment  sculiana look excellent in the first half of the derby I’d like to see Mata next to him and help him develop he actually looks as good as Hoff was in those early days but he doesn’t have as good as team around him. 




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