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    Normally I am loathe to watch or even discuss the Australian Modified Gaelic Football League and the newest club, the Greater Wagga-Wagga Canberra Western Sydney Breakfast Point Giants. Today I am over-turning that self-imposed ban due to the comments of Kevin Sheedy at the press-conference following his team's abysmal 135 point loss. I did not watch the game, knowing that even if I were to enjoy AMGFL in the slightest that this match would not be a contest whatsoever. The match attracted a laughably inflated 'official' crowd of 5,830. I can only assume this included the players and coaches for both teams, the staff selling food and drinks to patrons, the face painter out the front of the stadium and the commentators and broadcast staff, and then the AFL decided to double the figure. Perhaps their membership base of 12,052 contains far more cats, dogs, pigs and infant children than we would otherwise suspect.

    After discussing the team and their woeful ability on the field, the topic turned to the way the club had gone about the business of attracting people and building a support base. Kevin Sheedy then made a comment I found incredibly offensive, one that shows that the days of the 'Sheilas, Wogs and Poofters' branding of football in this country are not yet over.
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    "We don't have the recruiting officer called the immigration department, recruiting fans for the West Sydney Wanderers. We have to find fans, because that's what happens when you channel a lot of people into a country, put them in Western Sydney, build a club in one year and they've suddenly got 10,000 fans and 20,000 going to a game."

    What a staggering stupid, and arguably racist comment. It is one that shows yet again what complete ignorance the AMGFL leadership have of the people they supposedly want to support their new club.

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    I hardly know where to begin dissecting the failure of the GWS Giants.

    Firstly, I remind all that the AFL have repeatedly talked about having a $200 million dollar 'war chest' for the Giants. So my first question, is why has any Government spent any money on this failure of a club?

    I will start with the AFL scamming $27 million dollars from various parts of NSW Government to build a ground at the Blacktown Olympic Park, only to see them abandon the facility in order to waste another $45 million of taxpayer funds on redeveloping the Sydney Showground. Skoda Stadium as it is now known, has only once attracted more than the 10,000 that the Blacktown AFL stadium can hold.

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    I could also start with how the ACT Government has gifted GWS with $2.35 million a year for 10 years to play matches at Manuka Oval. And here I was thinking this was a Western Sydney team. What I find most aggravating for this in regards to football, is that the Canberra A-League bid failed due to a lack of funding, even though $2.35 million a year would be enough to cover any losses of a real ACT team playing in Canberra for every match of the A-League season!

    Sheedy and his comment today proved to me without a shadow of a doubt that the AFL & GWS have no clue about the people they want to market their sport and club at.

    If they think that the Western Sydney Wanderers success is solely down to of 'immigrants' coming over to Australia that are 'channeled' into Western Sydney by the Government, bringing their immigrant sport that just happens to be what the Wanderers play thus setting the scene for sold-out crowds and a Grand Final with over 40,000 people at it then they are dead wrong.

    It is another comment in the litany of AFL supporters who brand Football as anti-Australia, as a foreign xenophobic sport not fit for a 'true Australian' to play. It is an statement that football is "Un-Australian".

    This is a sport which is so intent on forcefully branding itself as a true Australian 'legend'. From attempts to takeover Anzac Day, to claiming that AFL is the 'indigenous' game despite said game being a combination of rugby & Gaelic football (Sheedy should look up what country Association Football came from), and the deception of calling it "Australia's Game", despite football being a far more popular participation sport for males, swimming being popular with both male and female and netball being most popular with females.

    Never mind the tiny little fact that half the country prefers Rugby or Rugby Union, and the entire country supports Cricket in various forms, the AFL has grown complacent in having the narratives and marketing spiel replicated word for word across the mainstream media. It has grown so confident that it now has it's own propaganda empire operating under the guise of 'AFL.Com News'.

    Sheedy has bought into the AFL hype about being the true Australian sport. To him and the rest of the stooges at AFL Headquarters, the success of the Wanderers can only be explained away by declaring those Wanderers supporters as immigrants, not truly Australian. They can't possible be real Australian men and women, because they'd be Giants supporters otherwise. The Giants see their job as preaching the Australian gospel of AFL to those immigrant football heathens. That AFL is the one true Australian sport, and we'd best come along and support his team if we want really be Australian.

    Whichever way his comment is sliced it is offensive. His suggestion that because I'm a Wanderers supporter I must be an immigrant is just one way I find it offensive. That being born in Western Sydney, with my parents being born in Western Sydney and my grandparents as well, that supporting the Wanderers and not supporting GWS makes me an un-Australian immigrant.

    The alternative? That people who immigrate to Australia and love football aren't really Australian yet, or that they are invading Australia and latching on to the Wanderers because they haven't yet found out they should love AFL.

    Bullshit.

    Kevin Sheedy your comments are a disgrace not only to Western Sydney but to modern Australian culture as a whole. This country is built on immigration, and people come to Australia to live and learn and be free, they can love or hate whatever sport they like and liking one sport or another has nothing to do with how 'Australian' they are.

    The Wanderers have built their success and fan base not from 'immigration', but from passion for football, and getting our chance to support a club that truly represents Western Sydney in the A-League. No-one in the Wanderers club or support base cares how long ago you moved to Australia, or even if you were born in Australia, or if it was 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 or more generations ago that your family first came to Australia, or if you're from Eastern Europe, or South America, or New Zealand or England or Greece or Spain or Aboriginal or any other country or nationality or ethnicity on the planet.

    Nationality or ethnicity isn't what unites the Wanderers. It has nothing to do with our immigration or non-immigration status.

    What unites the Wanderers is being proud of Western Sydney.

    If Kevin Sheedy and the AFL can't understand that they can take the entire Giants organisation on the next XPT to Canberra and relocate the entire box and dice to a location that appears to actually want an AFL team.

    Update:
    I have obtained a statement from the GWS organisation, signed by chairman Tony Shepherd.

    I first note that to GWS, if you want to be taken seriously, you should adopt local convention and start calling our sport "Football", while you use the common term "AFL". Football in Western Sydney is Football. I've also noticed a tendency to call both forms of Rugby solely "Rugby", instead of Rugby Union and Rugby League. Differentiating those two codes would be appreciated also.

    Our sport is Football, and it is run by Football Federation Australia.

    Please pass this on to your colleagues in Melbourne.

    After filtering out marketing spiel, it contains only one paragraph that refers to his comments:

    His comments were not new. It is something he has expressed a number of times but unfortunately on this occasion they were taken out of context and he has been unfairly subjected to criticism by some people who may not be aware of Kevin's enormous contribution to the community.

    I care about his recent statement, his xenophobic comments that the Immigration Department is recruiting for the Wanderers. Not any 'enormous' contribution to the community in the past. It has nothing to do with his current statement and the current issue of GWS and their views on the 'immigrants' in Western Sydney.

    I care about the implication that those who support the Wanderers are all immigrants and thus un-Australian, as well as labelling this entire region as 'immigrants', despite knowing that all but those of Aboriginal heritage were immigrants at one stage.

    I care about the implications of this statement as they are yet another in a long line of xenophobic comments to come out of the Melbourne AFL establishment that seek to denigrate Football and relegate it as a sport unfit for 'True Australians'.

    GWS were unable to sweep this comments under the carpet because they had been noted on several previous occasions, and from that point, they can only be considered pre-meditated. Craig Foster has also written about a statement of Sheedy's, where he referred to supporters of Football as 'boat people'. These are not off-handstatements, but represent his true views on Football as a sport and the people in Western Sydney.

    Standing by these comments shows a complete lack of empathy or awareness of the people of Western Sydney. It confirms the viewpoint that the AFL sees Western Sydney as heathens to be converted to the church of AFL, and to bring them into what the AFL sees as the "True Australian" sport.

    What 'context' has his words been taken out of? His words were reflected honestly across the media. The only context provided is his own. His 'context' is exactly what he said, "We don't have the recruiting officer called the immigration department, recruiting fans for the West Sydney Wanderers."

    Their refusal to accept that the statement was offensive, xenophobic and out of step with not only Western Sydney but modern Australia as a whole is another example of the AFL Bubble effect. If the AFL and GWS cannot step out of this bubble they will fail even harder than they are already.

    I for one will never support GWS or the AFL, what little chance they had died with Sheedy's comments and his refusal to step up and apologise for them. I am certain I am not the only person to have this viewpoint.

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    Forget about him, the gAyFL merkins are not going to do anything about it and it hasnt got much media attention around here yet.

     

    Pretty much shows how much a void he and his beloved Gay Western Sydney Giants are.

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    I honestly was thinking of taking the family out to a GWS game (my father in law is somewhat of a supporter) but now I won't spend a dime on their team, their sponsors or anything to do with GWS.


     


    For a team that is struggling to attract fans the last thing they would want is to alienate pretty much their entire catchment area.


     


    Imagine if the roles were reversed? Imagine the media furore?

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    The best thing we can do is send this page to everyone you know in Sydney, including Mack's excellent response. Killing off potential GWS fans is what will hurt them most.

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    The AFL were always going to play the racist / xenophobic card if their plans with GWS didn't come to fruition. This is their desperation stage now. They have to use it because what they have figured out is that the people aren't coming. And they won't.. So play to your only hope of support (the xenophobes of this country).

     

    Melbourne is a different beast to Sydney where the media is manipulated and population brainwashed to believe that AFL is the best thing since sliced bread. In Sydney this is laughed off. People are more honest about what they like. AFL is very much the foreign sport in Sydney (not football). That's what Sheedy has to come to accept. But he can't. He's like the spoilt little brat who has thrown a tantrum.

     

    It's time to send this xenophobic clown back to Victoria wher he can watch his beloved Melbourne game (the foreign one here). Just stay calm and let him keep digging his own hole.

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    I honestly couldn't give a **** about the comments from Sheedy, I am so indifferent to GWS that to me it is all a bit meh.

     

    I will go on as before and pretty much ignore anything to do with GWS. The sooner they fold and pack up their bags and get the **** out of western Sydney the better for everyone concerned.

     

    They should just call it a day right now and complete the rest of the season out in Canberra.

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    I honestly couldn't give a **** about the comments from Sheedy, I am so indifferent to GWS that to me it is all a bit meh.

     

    I will go on as before and pretty much ignore anything to do with GWS. The sooner they fold and pack up their bags and get the **** out of western Sydney the better for everyone concerned.

     

    They should just call it a day right now and complete the rest of the season out in Canberra.

     

     

    Im the same, the best response is to ignore them and their little game. 

     

    One thing though, i still cant see what point he was making? 

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    they want wanderers fans to ring big sports breakfast on sky radio to respond to his comments

     

    http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-05-12/postmatch-giants

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    Ignore them and don't feed the trolls.

     

     

     

     

    In a way, what he is saying has some truth to it. He just said in the most moronic way possible.

    We always said, that a HAL team would work out here because we are a traditional football area. Everyone out here knows, understands and is a fan of football and doesn't have to be educated on it.

    Whereas AFL always had an uphill battle of trying to convince people to come to games and educate them on the sport from square 1.

     

    That's why they wanted to get into Western Sydney asap, to try and capture the hearts and minds of the population before football got in there. They know its a hotbed and they will have an uphill battle.

    Then WSW was born and just pwned them from day 1.

    AFL knew this would happen, hence why they are pumping millions into GWS. Its a long term strategy.

     

    Read between the lines and what he said is basically true. He just said it in the wrong way.

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    he has just dug his own grave hole and the death of the giants is well and truly on its path now. All codes can exist in NSW but when one code begins to attack the other then we all know that is the last line of defense. When you have no more options and no more ideas that you have to attack another club because you can't acknowledge defeat then that is the day that you wave your white flag.

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    they want wanderers fans to ring big sports breakfast on sky radio to respond to his comments

     

    http://www.afl.com.au/video/2013-05-12/postmatch-giants

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    Ignore them and don't feed the trolls.

     

     

     

     

    In a way, what he is saying has some truth to it. He just said in the most moronic way possible.

    We always said, that a HAL team would work out here because we are a traditional football area. Everyone out here knows, understands and is a fan of football and doesn't have to be educated on it.

    Whereas AFL always had an uphill battle of trying to convince people to come to games and educate them on the sport from square 1.

     

    That's why they wanted to get into Western Sydney asap, to try and capture the hearts and minds of the population before football got in there. They know its a hotbed and they will have an uphill battle.

    Then WSW was born and just pwned them from day 1.

    AFL knew this would happen, hence why they are pumping millions into GWS. Its a long term strategy.

     

    Read between the lines and what he said is basically true. He just said it in the wrong way.

    It's true that migrants played a role in establishing football in Western Sydney (and all around the country for that matter). That's something to be proud of actually. It creates the the multi-cultural mix we have always wanted with a team like Wanderers. I don't think we hide away from that.

     

    I think what gets up people is that he honestly believes AFL has some inherent right to take over and become the dominant sport in this region. He is basically saying we are lesser people in this country for supporting and loving football. That is the real message he is trying to get across. The fact that people have seen through it is what has got him into trouble.

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    Oh yeah no doubt. He is grasping at straws to try and justify GWS' poor form and crowds, despite the club boasting they have a million members and pets or some crap.

     

    but reading that their first home game is in Round 7 due to ground availability? That will kill ANY club, no matter what sport.

    So lulz at that :rofl:  

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    His comments were dumb but hardly racist. You could argue the comments are xenophobic but even then I think it is a bit of a stretch. His point, I think (as badly as he phrased it), is that there is already a huge football culture in western Sydney (no one would argue this) and part of this is because there are a lot of first and second generation Australians living there (again true).

     

    He then says AFL has no such culture and that is one of the reasons for the low crowds (ie no one gives a **** about AFL).

     

    Nowhere does he say that immigration is a bad thing. My limited understanding of AFL is that the guy has a track record of being a massive anit racism campaigner and a huge proponent of indigenous rights. So I'll take his comments to be stupid and badly worded with that context in mind. Then I'll go back to not giving a **** about AFL

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    I think what gets up people is that he honestly believes AFL has some inherent right to take over and become the dominant sport in this region. He is basically saying we are lesser people in this country for supporting and loving football. That is the real message he is trying to get across. The fact that people have seen through it is what has got him into trouble.

     

    If people are calling him racist for those comments then I don't think they have seen the real point of his comments. Don't hate the player, hate the game. We should be more concerned with the AFL trying to spread it's disease throughout the country than dumping on some idiot bloke for comments that were at worst stupid/ignorant.

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    I can't believe what im hearing from all these GWS members (i assume you have all atleast once driven past skoda stadium and are therefore members) 

    You better hope your cats (that are also members) don't read what you are saying about their beloved Giants or there may be an awkward confrontation next time you see them. Disgraceful!

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    I think what gets up people is that he honestly believes AFL has some inherent right to take over and become the dominant sport in this region. He is basically saying we are lesser people in this country for supporting and loving football. That is the real message he is trying to get across. The fact that people have seen through it is what has got him into trouble.

     

    If people are calling him racist for those comments then I don't think they have seen the real point of his comments. Don't hate the player, hate the game. We should be more concerned with the AFL trying to spread it's disease throughout the country than dumping on some idiot bloke for comments that were at worst stupid/ignorant.

    I think he is connecting being an immigrant to being a football lover to being a lesser person. There is a tinge of racism there, but you're right that it isn't an outright racist comment.

     

    I think he is so blinded by his love for his own game that he doesn't realise how he comes across to other people. He finds it hard to accept AFL's position in Western Sydney and is getting all fundamentalist about it. He's like an evangelist.

     

    Calling him racist and xenophobic is no different to the media calling us hooligans. We're not really..but maybe sometimes we are. Same applies to him.

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    I think what gets up people is that he honestly believes AFL has some inherent right to take over and become the dominant sport in this region. He is basically saying we are lesser people in this country for supporting and loving football. That is the real message he is trying to get across. The fact that people have seen through it is what has got him into trouble.

     

    If people are calling him racist for those comments then I don't think they have seen the real point of his comments. Don't hate the player, hate the game. We should be more concerned with the A-League and football trying to spread it's disease throughout the country than dumping on some idiot bloke for comments that were at worst stupid/ignorant.

    Fixed for a certain point of view.

     

    It works both ways.

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    His comment is actually flawed. There is enough 'Aussies' in Western Sydney for the Giants to succeed, if that is what his target market is (as moronic as that thought seems, as Melbourne is just as multi cultural as the rest of Australia and AFL is doing fine down there). Anglo's like me, Kop, Mack, StillWandering, Ian, JohnG etc etc etc (the many skippy's I now drink a beer with at Wanderers matches). The beauty of the Wanderers is it has represented our region and who we are. A true reflection of modern Australia.

     

    True, Western Sydney does have a large multi cultural population, but so does Australia.

     

    The truly epic fail of the Giants is they don't actually have an identity or truly represent Western Sydney. Why are they playing a single match in Canberra?

     

    Why do they play at SKODA Park at all? 

     

    Why not play out of Blacktown? If it's good enough for 1 game it should be good enough for all.

     

    To make such silly statements about Football and the immigration department being our membership recruitment dept just shows he has scant regard for the region he supposedly represents. He hasn't attacked football, he's attacked Western Sydney.

     

    BTW, it's an absolute disgrace the amount of money the Giants have received from both NSW and ACT Governments. Yet the 'sokkah haters' complain that the Wanderers were given a $5 million grant. I think the Giants are totaling something like $50 million in government money. Ludicrous.

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    Closer to $100 million actually. $27m on Blacktown, $45m on Skoda, $23 million from Canberra, and I believe there is another few million on facilities at Homebush so GWS can completely leave Blacktown. That would be roughly enough to build that 'New Tivoli' stadium for us.

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    Stand with us on the terraces Blatherin' Sheedy & you might get an inkling of what's going on. I echo Benched thoughts re the fantastic diversity among us WSW. These colours unite us all.

     

    It's kinda funny though to see the GWS Gee-ants implode. Some comeuppance to those 'Masters of the Universe' at AFL headquarters who think they can wave a wand and ... ta-dah!

     

    Hehehe

     

    PS well written Mack

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    The Irony!!!!! GWS actually do have the department of immigration on their side hahaha

     

    http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20121112122712780

    The funniest thing about that website, is it is called world footy news?!?!?!?!,

    It's only ****ing played in Australia, it is like the "World Series" in Baseball...

     

    The 'World Series' in baseball is actually named after a now defunct newspaper who sponsored the very first series. If it had been the Times who sponsored it then the name would have been different.

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    His comments, while I don't see them as racist/xenophobic, make no sense because it doesn't explain how the NRL has such a strong following in (Western) Sydney. Go to any Bulldogs/Eels/Dragons/Tigers game, a lot of their supporters are first/second generation immigrants from countries where football is the #1 sport, yet they are still following rugby league. The fact that nobody follows GWS Giants is because nobody in Sydney gives a **** about AFL, plain and simple.

     

    Also, wtf is with their name? Who ever says they live in "greater" Western Sydney? It's always Western Sydney. They ****ed that one up too. That's what happens when people from Melbourne try to impose themselves somewhere they have no clue about.

     

    I can't wait to see them fold. Never should have been created in the first place.

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    The Irony!!!!! GWS actually do have the department of immigration on their side hahaha

     

    http://www.worldfootynews.com/article.php/20121112122712780

    The funniest thing about that website, is it is called world footy news?!?!?!?!,

    It's only ****ing played in Australia, it is like the "World Series" in Baseball...

     

    The 'World Series' in baseball is actually named after a now defunct newspaper who sponsored the very first series. If it had been the Times who sponsored it then the name would have been different.

     

    Well there ya go, "World Series", sounds a lot better than "Time Series" I guess.

     

    I asked a question a while back and cant find an answer regarding AFL, why do some players have black tape around their arms and other do not??

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    His comments, while I don't see them as racist/xenophobic, make no sense because it doesn't explain how the NRL has such a strong following in (Western) Sydney. Go to any Bulldogs/Eels/Dragons/Tigers game, a lot of their supporters are first/second generation immigrants from countries where football is the #1 sport, yet they are still following rugby league. The fact that nobody follows GWS Giants is because nobody in Sydney gives a **** about AFL, plain and simple.

     

    Also, wtf is with their name? Who ever says they live in "greater" Western Sydney? It's always Western Sydney. They ****ed that one up too. That's what happens when people from Melbourne try to impose themselves somewhere they have no clue about.

     

    I can't wait to see them fold. Never should have been created in the first place.

    I think what Sheedy is coming to realise is that it's not fun being the minority :xnod:

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    It's always a respect fo the dead as far as I know.

     

    I don't know why, but in aussie rules culture it's just a lot more prevalent. Players will do it for personal reasons, an individual thing, and occasionally the whole side will do it if it's someone connected with the club. I guess it's the aussie rules equivalent of those players that point to the sky whenever they score a goal in football. Some people just want to remember a loved one that's passed away and carry on doing it for their entire career.

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