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Cheers Gazmon.

 

That slither in the corner near the pool.... all the more reason to do something with that corner to take in the skyline, i'm telling you, it's got to happen :lol:

 

 

 

Anyway, the dynamo Dresden one (Glucksgas), capacity 27000 seated, 32000 with safe standing, is 190x150.

Depends on the height too I believe, and the depth of foundations needed... so much to consider... but, we can all dream :)

I'm dreaming dreams don't worry.

ColdRock

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I'd also like to see a stadium built to size constraints rather than cosmetic purposes, correct me if I'm wrong but there is an area to the East we could extend into. Where they put the merch vans and DJ and other assorted malaki, we could make the east stand mammoth in size and leave the West as it is

delilah

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Where is that one Daniel?

Looks too much like the sfs for mine. And needs good "ends".

Remember cost is like x10 here.

It's the Hazza Bin Zayed Stadium in Abu Dhabi. It will be one of the 2019 AFC Asian Cup venues.

 

 

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whats the injured/fatality of sub continent workers on minimal wages to seat ratio in this ground ??? ;)

matty

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And that's how its done.

 

Take note any ANZ advocates (flytox)

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Alexander

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I'm a big fan of the Wolfsburg one. It would great to have pretty much any stadium in the Bundesliga. German clubs benefitted from the World Cup as well as having the ability to build them cheaply compared to Australia.

 

Out of interest, does anyone know the infrastructure plan that was proposed in our World Cup bid? Was Parramatta Stadium included in the proposal?

Flytox

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I'm a big fan of the Wolfsburg one. It would great to have pretty much any stadium in the Bundesliga. German clubs benefitted from the World Cup as well as having the ability to build them cheaply compared to Australia.

 

Out of interest, does anyone know the infrastructure plan that was proposed in our World Cup bid? Was Parramatta Stadium included in the proposal?

 

The WC bid had a stadium at the Blacktown International Sports Park instead of Parramatta.

beatsurrender

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These guys just decided to build their own stadium!  Just like that!  We'll still be talking in 5 years time about what we might get. Amazing story.

 

All tickets have been sold to see FC United of Manchester officially open their new Broadhurst Park stadium on Friday with a friendly match against a Benfica team.

That is a simple statement about an upcoming match but it takes a little pause to assimilate what it means. This is the club formed by rebel Manchester United supporters who in 2005 decided that the Glazer family’s debt-loaded takeover at Old Trafford marked a final outrage too far.

From discussions in a Stretford pub, Rusholme curry house and a public meeting at Manchester’s Apollo venue, they have built a football club of their own, won four promotions, now to the tougher semi-professional level of the Conference North, built a fine £6.3m stadium – and, brazenly, booked the eagles of Lisbon to fly in and christen it.

At a trial-run practice match between players present and past held at the stadium in beaming sunshine on 16 May, FC United fans who have lived this 10‑year journey which started at Bury’s Gigg Lane variously hugged, cried, sang or stood speechless in disbelief. A large part of the impact is not only the crazy reality that they have built their own ground but the thought and care that has gone into the design and detail.

Fans who have fled the expense, compulsory seating and increasingly passive nature of the Premier League experience, as much as investor-owners’ exploitation, made it clear that if they ever had a home, they wanted to stand and sing. So partly in wistful homage to their raucous formative years, the new ground has a terrace behind one goal and a standing area in front of the main stand seats, like the former Old Trafford paddocks. Wood cladding on the designed front of the stadium references railway sleepers and United’s Newton Heath train company origins.

There is a long bar area in the main stand, which will be used for club and local community functions, plus splendid 3G facilities and two grass pitches to be shared with the flourishing local club Moston Juniors, and other public use.

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The wood cladding on the outside of Broadhurst Park references railway sleepers and United’s Newton Heath train company origins. Photograph: Steve Allen/Manchester Evening News

 

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/may/26/fc-united-manchester-benfica-united-fans

Flytox

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Stadiums Designed To Entertain
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Angela Fedele 

Published: 26 May 2015

 
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When they’re not being utilised for sport, stadiums are supporting their home cities and becoming home to theatre productions and music concerts and offering retail and hospitality amenities.

Sports fans are also benefiting from pre- and post-game activities, with big screens, retractable roofs and moveable seating allowing for the stadium to be used year-round regardless of weather conditions.

This movement is supported by cities, which benefit both economically and culturally by creating active spaces. Cities are also receiving an economic benefit by capitalising on sports crowds while creating activepublic spaces accessible to all city inhabitants.

Some stadiums have become so iconic and so active, they’ve brought about an increase in residential and commercial dwellings nearby.

In Mark S. Rosentraub's book Reversing Urban Decline: Why and How Sports, Entertainment, and Culture Turn Cities into Major League Winners, he states: “New sports and cultural facilities can be anchors for the redevelopment of nearby real estate. The facilities themselves are catalysts or engines of real estate development strategies. In addition, by their physical size, these facilities have the potential to become iconic assets that replace dilapidate and deteriorating buildings.â€

Connectivity remains at the heart of these buildings according to John Shreve, principal at global firm Populous, which is renowned for their stadium designs.

Shreve has observed a huge paradigm shift in how buildings have been designed over the last three decades.

“The buildings themselves have transformed from introverted to extroverted buildings with a greater focus on connecting a city’s fabric, spurring development and capturing the culture and excitement,†he said.

Shreve said new entertainment stadiums have arisen out of a combination of cities and professional clubs being more aware of the opportunities and sports fans themselves demanding “more powerful experiences.â€

“With higher quality food and beverage options, access to retail and entertainment options before and after a game - are all driving this trend,†said Shreve. “Anymore, single-use buildings surrounded by parking spaces don’t cut it.â€

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Perth Stadium plans to offer social spaces that incorporate food, beverage and entertainment for other events

Shreve also predicts it will stay this way.

“The buildings of the future are more transparent, permeable and connected to thriving or growing districts,†he said. “Designing for connectivity to the city’s urban fabric and creating an experience that starts long before you enter an arena’s doors or stadium gates.â€

Here are the five ways for a stadium to be entertainment worthy:

Connectivity

According to Shreve, architecturally, stadiums should reflect their surrounding area or offer cultural significance or the city and it’s inhabitants.

Perth’s new stadium, which was announced last year, will feature a striking bronze façade reminiscent of Western Australia’s unique landscape. The design of the sporting and recreation precinct surrounding the stadium is also inspired by Dreamtime stories and the connection with the Swan River.

Shreve said stadium design should lean on urban design features, including public gathering spaces and green space, while allowing for multiple uses.

“A street isn’t just a street,†he said. “A parking garage isn’t just a parking garage. As designers, we think about how to transform these areas into part of the destination and the experience.â€

Shreve cited to Kansas City’s Sprint Centre arena, which features a glass façade that makes it appear transparent, tightly weaving into the district.

Adjacent to the arena is the Power and Light District, a 10-block retail and entertainment district.

“Providing anchor development brings people to the area before games and makes them hang around to socialise, shop and eat long after the event has finished,†Shreve said.

He added the arena’s public space includes a large plaza, public art, pedestrian access and graphics that all identify with the city of Kansas.

“With a fully covered canopy over the plaza space, it has become a destination to go catch a concert or watch a big game surrounded by thousands of energetic strangers,†he said.

Neighbourly Feel

A stadium, ballpark or arena can transform a city when it directly connects to a mixed-use development, including neighbouring residential.

“When designing we keep in mind, at all times, the people who will live with in and among the buildings we design,†Shreve said. “The benefit is in the memories people build and the continuity of experience these districts allow a city to create.â€

“When a city is really energetic, bold, fun district near their anchor venues, everyone wins.

“It comes to define that the city’s culture is, what it means to live there and what visitors can expect from these richer, more diverse experiences.â€

The 2014 study Does Having a Major and Lucrative Sports Arena Improve a Neighborhood’s Economy & Quality of Life? found improved quality of life when surveying local residents and businesses around the New Yankee Stadium.

“Clearly living in an area like Yankee Stadium can improve the quality of your life, especially if you are a Yankee Fan,†study author Natalie Hernandez of Dyson College of Arts and Sciences, Pace University said.

“Arguably if you have lived in the area long enough you can appreciate the added safety and decrease in crime that many residents feel has happened since the new stadium, and for any South Bronx resident this definitely is an upside that comes with having the stadium."

On a commercial  level, offices and hotels are also rising around key stadium precincts.

Earlier this year, the Daily Telegraph reported that a $100 million entertainment precinct between Parramatta Leagues Club and Pirtek Stadium was planned that would include a fitness and aquatic centre, bars, cafes, restaurants and 10-pin bowling centre.

The proposal also includes a six-storey, 200-room hotel.

Infrastructure

“On a more tactical level, these developments help with traffic and parking flow on game days as well, because they distribute the flow of traffic over many hours before and after an event; they also help generate revenue for cities,†said Shreve.

In the case of the Perth Stadium, the transport strategy ensures the safe and efficient movement of 83 per cent of a capacity crowd within an hour of an event finishing according to the official website.

There will also be new infrastructure that includes a six-platform Stadium Station and the Swan River Pedestrian Bridge.

Sydney’s redevelopment of ANZ stadium continues, and in February this year plans for a light rail corridor from Parramatta to Sydney Olympic Park were announced.

The light rail link will move 5,000 passengers per hour in both directions through the corridor with 40 light rail services to replace 200 buses on the road.

The service will also support the expected 190,000 people expected to be living in the corridor by 2036, linking back to the residential appeal in an area with a stadium entertainment precinct.

Fans First

While the cities are enjoying countless benefits, stadiums still hold a “fans first†approach to design, recognising that the fan experience is still at the core of the structure.

“Fans become more connected to their city and these districts if we get them there early and keep them longer," Shreve said. "The experience and memories become something worth coming back for time and time again.â€

As mentioned earlier, many stadiums are topping off their structures with retractable roofs to allow for all year round play, moveable seats, field adjustments and quality hospitality amenities during the game.

Art and Science

Shreve said his firm takes an art and science approach to stadium design.

He also says that with any of these projects, the stakes are high to create a design that will stand the test of time.

“(Clients) give us a chance to impact the image, branding and perception of the city, and because of that, the art is critical,†he said.

The “science†or technical aspects of the project tie into the building type, ensuring the building delivers an experience both inside and out for not just fans, but customers, athletes and staff.

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Wayfinding at Sun Life Stadium

Finally, with more and more of these projects being proposed and built, many firms are expanding on their sports arm, particularly because the business is thriving.

Because of the shift, sports venues - once designed with sports fans singularly in mind - are opening up to the public at large, allowing them to enjoy more than just a game.

 

https://sourceable.net/stadiums-designed-to-entertain/#

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Hughesy

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Was a decent article until it started justifying all the bullshit stadiums are being kitted out with these days that is taking away from the very reason why people go there in the first place.

matty

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Amen boys.

 

The fact she brings up movable seating as a positive shows she has no idea. This article would sound good fifteen years ago but now, stadiums built with a more focused ideal are becoming popular again.

Trying to incorporate all these extra things into stadiums (shopping centres, social spaces, moveable seating) is about money, not the spectator experience.

Focus on the spectator experience and you have a good stadium. Suncorp, Aami stadium are two good examples in this country.

Jukes01

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So are we even getting the extra seats anymore ?

They were supposed to be ready by the start of next season .

There is no point.

Flytox

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So are we even getting the extra seats anymore ?

They were supposed to be ready by the start of next season .

From memory Venues NSW said they put a hold on the next stage of the upgrade awaiting the Government's expected announcement of its decisions on stadium upgrades.

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So are we even getting the extra seats anymore ?

They were supposed to be ready by the start of next season .

From memory Venues NSW said they put a hold on the next stage of the upgrade awaiting the Government's expected announcement of its decisions on stadium upgrades.

Even if the govt commit to a 35,000 seat parra stadium, realistically wouldn't this take years before construction commences? And this is assuming the timeline isn't stalled by political promises during the the election cycle and a potential change in govt.

 

Honestly, what is the realistic timeframe? If it's too long then let's just push for 4000 seats and get them in ASAP.

 

I'm sick of the constant cycle of a 4000-seat stadium upgrade announcement, followed by lobbying for a 35,000-seater, then ANZ stadium's attempts to derail the parra upgrade, then everything put on hold again.

Flytox

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So are we even getting the extra seats anymore ?

They were supposed to be ready by the start of next season .

From memory Venues NSW said they put a hold on the next stage of the upgrade awaiting the Government's expected announcement of its decisions on stadium upgrades.

Even if the govt commit to a 35,000 seat parra stadium, realistically wouldn't this take years before construction commences? And this is assuming the timeline isn't stalled by political promises during the the election cycle and a potential change in govt.

 

Honestly, what is the realistic timeframe? If it's too long then let's just push for 4000 seats and get them in ASAP.

 

I'm sick of the constant cycle of a 4000-seat stadium upgrade announcement, followed by lobbying for a 35,000-seater, then ANZ stadium's attempts to derail the parra upgrade, then everything put on hold again.

 

 

If all 3 stadiums get on the list for upgrades they will need to be done one at a time so it depends which is decided as the priority.  With the leasing of the poles and wires required to be completed before anything starts I wouldn't expect any stadium work for say 3 years unless the Government decides to use some of its windfall from stamp duty on real estate sales to bring stadium work forward.  Pirtek could start in 2018-19 or it could be 3 or 4 years later than that.

 

I don't believe that derailing Pirtek is ANZ's agenda.  Their main aim is not to see Allianz get upgraded to the point it competes with them for the big events.

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BeefB

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As far out that this may sound (I think it was brought up in the previous thread) I would support a member based 'seat owner' principal like certain USA stadia to help pay for a new stadium on the existing site, being around 35K. Why is this model working for the clubs in USA - people taking ownership of their team and investing in that team/club's future. If I were to invest like this I'd make sure my seat was used everytime - even if it wasn't me going each time!

 

Now the biggest problem with this could be that more than one code uses the stadium - but not at the same time. Say Eels and Wanderers supporters members were offered the chance to own their seat for life (transferrable of course to nominated beneficiaries & offered up to family friends where necessary) for $1000 each. Not sure of actual figures here (correct me) but we are at 16,000 members ? and Eels 22,000 members ? Thats 38k members at $1000 each = $38M towards construction costs. Take on board potential new members in an expanded stadium (cap to 25K each code) then there's an additional $12M that could either go back into the club's funds or re-couped by the government as negotiated between the parties. Perhaps even the naming rights sponsor could kick in the shortfall in total costs which then are re-couped by the sale of corporate facilities.

 

The only downside is if there are not enough members willing to invest this type of money. Perhaps a survey of current members is needed prior to such an ambitious project being greenlit.

 

Thoughts?

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As far out that this may sound (I think it was brought up in the previous thread) I would support a member based 'seat owner' principal like certain USA stadia to help pay for a new stadium on the existing site, being around 35K. Why is this model working for the clubs in USA - people taking ownership of their team and investing in that team/club's future. If I were to invest like this I'd make sure my seat was used everytime - even if it wasn't me going each time!

 

The only downside is if there are not enough members willing to invest this type of money. Perhaps a survey of current members is needed prior to such an ambitious project being greenlit.

 

Thoughts?

I love the idea in theory, but I'm not sure if it's practical. As you noted, I would question how many were willing to pay $1000 (which would be wayyyy to cheap IMO) for the seats. I'm sure Flytox will be able to weigh in here, but I think there would be a tonne of other administrative and logistical issues also.

- Would ventures NSW have an issue with this? I'm guessing yes.

- Then there'd be the rich versus working class debate about whether or not it's fair for those who can't afford to buy a seat. How would you stop seat owners from merely auctioning off their seat each week to the largest bidder?

- Is it possible for people to buy parts of government land like that?

- Would Venues NSW be willing to sell of parts of an asset when they're still the major investor in the stadium?

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Hughesy

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It's basically a stadium membership but at a stadium with one tenant. Right?

Not necessarily. The Gold Coast Titans offer it as an option for membership and they aren't exactly the only tenants of Cbus stadium. In America where it is mostly used though I think that's generally the case though, yes.

 

If I was going to be paying that much money I'd want it to be our very own stadium, only used by us.

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It's basically a stadium membership but at a stadium with one tenant. Right?

Not necessarily. The Gold Coast Titans offer it as an option for membership and they aren't exactly the only tenants of Cbus stadium. In America where it is mostly used though I think that's generally the case though, yes.

If I was going to be paying that much money I'd want it to be our very own stadium, only used by us.

Agreed about owning the stadium. It would be fun to have the ability to rip off NRL & Rugby teams to let them use it. And only when it's not in the HAL & ACL season Edited by Alexander
Gazmon

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It's basically a stadium membership but at a stadium with one tenant. Right?

Not necessarily. The Gold Coast Titans offer it as an option for membership and they aren't exactly the only tenants of Cbus stadium. In America where it is mostly used though I think that's generally the case though, yes.

If I was going to be paying that much money I'd want it to be our very own stadium, only used by us.

Agreed about owning the stadium. It would be fun to have the ability to rip off NRL & Rugby teams to let them use it. And only when it's not in the HAL & ACL season

 

 

I remember reading once (a few years back, can't remember where either) about a US minor-league soccer team who had their own venue and rented the pitch to the local high school & community college football (American football) teams. The soccer club was so annoyed with the extra markings and divots that instead of kicking the schools out they simply put rules in place that they couldn't use the venue within 3-days of a soccer fixture and were limited in time to use it (the limits from memory weren't long enough for a full game), but it still allowed them to keep the contract in place. Was quite complicated but was funny.

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My issue with this seat owning thing is what happens for ACL games when some people's seats will have to be re-assigned to press, dignitaries, etc.

Then they can try & rent it off the seat owner! If they can't, gtfo. It really grinds my gears when I see some muppet dignitary that couldn't care less about sport getting a perfect seat for nothing, which means that a genuine fan misses out. The Asian Cup was a perfect example. Although it did allow for 80,000 (including myself) to boo Sepp Blatter

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If the seat buying thing was an option (ala Stadium Membership) then AFC fixtures wouldn't be included. ANZ Stadium memberships weren't worth squat during the Asian Cup.

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