RBB Statement on FFA bans and walk out.

[braad]

 

 

Well, what a weekend.

 

Progress made and even though DDB is squiring, we're going to change things for the better.

Here's hoping we can celebrate a win in a few weeks with a combined march

If there isnt a win there might be a boycott. Manfred, we could be at the BBC for the whole game

[ManfredSchaefer]

 

 

Well, what a weekend.

 

Progress made and even though DDB is squiring, we're going to change things for the better.

Here's hoping we can celebrate a win in a few weeks with a combined march

If there isnt a win there might be a boycott. Manfred, we could be at the BBC for the whole game

 

 

Be still my almost totally blocked heart...

[Hiriser]

Wonder why Hadley escaped a mention on the banner. Wife beater would've been a handy addition 

[Tranquilo]

looks like our friend hektor didn't even receive a ban notice and was in the mariners active section when asked by police he had to leave the stadium. Reason this needs change. Banned or escorted out without notice, face plasted on the papers as being one of the 198 banned hooligans without even being notified or receiving a ban notice?

Today is just the begginng.............

[matty]

looks like our friend hektor didn't even receive a ban notice and was in the mariners active section when asked by police he had to leave the stadium. Reason this needs change. Banned or escorted out without notice, face plasted on the papers as being one of the 198 banned hooligans without even being notified or receiving a ban notice?

Today is just the begginng.............

Que?

[hawks2767]

I like Hektor but you can't just go into the opposition's active supporter section, we all know you need to be a member of that club to do it.

 

I wonder if he has just added a year or 2 to his ban.

 

I've seen it several times on facebook now, people making comments like 'can't wait to be back in the RBB 2025'

 

Now it looks like we will see several of those people have their bans overturned including our other Capo.

 

 

Thanks Bourbon Bec you booze soaked hag, if it wasn't for you these people wouldn't be getting an early xmas present

[Stpeters]

Hey guys, 

Tell to piss off, but harry's ban doesn't mention flares ? it mentions violence in a group ? 
I don't know what he's banned for but was told two different things. If its the flares thing at a function its not good. 

Again this might be sensitive, i don't know 

[Zelinsky]

Hey guys,

 

Tell to piss off, but harry's ban doesn't mention flares ? it mentions violence in a group ?

I don't know what he's banned for but was told two different things. If its the flares thing at a function its not good.

 

Again this might be sensitive, i don't know

At an RBB meeting he publicly said he got banned for something he didn't do, but didn't go into any detail.

[Gazmon]

So... did Hektic Hektor get a ban? Heard something on Twitter last night.

 

Edit: need to read further up before I post sometimes.

Edited November 29, 2015 by Gazmon

[hawks2767]

Hey guys, 

 

Tell to piss off, but harry's ban doesn't mention flares ? it mentions violence in a group ? 

I don't know what he's banned for but was told two different things. If its the flares thing at a function its not good. 

 

Again this might be sensitive, i don't know 

 

I thought the same thing, 'spectator violence in a group' is what the file had - but have since heard otherwise from more than one person.

 

I just can't see someone with a fairly high profile amongst A League supporters (it's obvious the cartoon attached to Bourbon Bec's article was based on him) getting involved in running street battles.

[Stpeters]

If he didn't do it, then fair enough but how do you prove that ? 

 

[Erebus]

If he didn't do it, then fair enough but how do you prove that ?

That's the whole point isn't it?

[Stpeters]

 

If he didn't do it, then fair enough but how do you prove that ?

That's the whole point isn't it?

 

100% its not fair. 

[dmixtaaa]

The people screaming foul, hold your horses. It is just the beginning. We have started a dialect which didn't exist. This battle won't be won over night, I think a good start has come of our airing our thoughts over this past weekend. 

 

We have got the doors open and sort of an agreement from FFA. It is now the time to be sensible and tighten the screws, negotiations will be tough but as we have proven over this past weekend, cool heads will prevail. At the end of the day, the FFA will have to give in on their "Guilty until proven innocent" ridiculous stance. It goes against everything this country stands for and if required, when push comes to shove they will have no other option to reverse this dangerous and illegal abuse of human rights in this country.

 

Well done to all Football fans, supporters, players and our mouthpieces such as Super Bozza, Simon Hill, Leas Murray, Fozz and anyone else who shut down the bigotted rants from Wison, Jones and Hadley.

 

Lets look forward to our game against Roar and have some thought this week on how good our team performed with a few injuries yesterday. We will be unbeatable with a fully fit side on the pitch.

[marron]

Can someone please clarify

 

What de bohun said.

 

I know it's open to interpretation. 

 

But in terms of "formalising the process"

 

Did he say that the accused person pleading innocence at the meeting with the club and the FFA would not have access to what evidence the FFA had?

I kind of feel like he inferred that that would be on the table as it were.

Yeah he said the person would have to have clear evidence of evidence. But it kind of sounded like a review. 

[tardotz]

We need to keep this up for the sake of justice. This is not just an issue for the active group. I am not in the active group but like any other person that attends a league games I can be served with a ban and there goes my business/career/future. Without a proper appeal system all the issues mentioned especially in the last few weeks will remain.

 

On another note if we are to have more boycotts lets boycott the 1st half....our teams need us more in the second half.

[Carns]

Can someone please clarify

 

What de bohun said.

 

I know it's open to interpretation. 

 

But in terms of "formalising the process"

 

Did he say that the accused person pleading innocence at the meeting with the club and the FFA would not have access to what evidence the FFA had?

I kind of feel like he inferred that that would be on the table as it were.

Yeah he said the person would have to have clear evidence of evidence. But it kind of sounded like a review. 

Video in the article attached. Obviously only one snippet of his interview.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/analysis-the-ffa-a-league-continues-to-ignore-widespread-protests-over-fan-treatment/story-e6frf4gl-1227627598779

[ManfredSchaefer]

Here's the bit where de Bohun responds to Tara and Bozza...

 

[wswanderersfc]

 

Can someone please clarify

 

What de bohun said.

 

I know it's open to interpretation. 

 

But in terms of "formalising the process"

 

Did he say that the accused person pleading innocence at the meeting with the club and the FFA would not have access to what evidence the FFA had?

I kind of feel like he inferred that that would be on the table as it were.

Yeah he said the person would have to have clear evidence of evidence. But it kind of sounded like a review. 

Video in the article attached. Obviously only one snippet of his interview.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/analysis-the-ffa-a-league-continues-to-ignore-widespread-protests-over-fan-treatment/story-e6frf4gl-1227627598779

 

 

its all just smoke and mirrors say what we need to until this blows over etc. once they understand this isn't just going to blow over and we are not going to give up then real progress will occur but right now nothing has changed one says there has always been an appeal process one says there is one as of now but both are still not getting it.

[ColdRock]

time for talk is over, lock thread

[marron]

 

Can someone please clarify

 

What de bohun said.

 

I know it's open to interpretation. 

 

But in terms of "formalising the process"

 

Did he say that the accused person pleading innocence at the meeting with the club and the FFA would not have access to what evidence the FFA had?

I kind of feel like he inferred that that would be on the table as it were.

Yeah he said the person would have to have clear evidence of evidence. But it kind of sounded like a review. 

Video in the article attached. Obviously only one snippet of his interview.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/analysis-the-ffa-a-league-continues-to-ignore-widespread-protests-over-fan-treatment/story-e6frf4gl-1227627598779

 

What do you reckon carns?

 

Is that, 

- you have to prove it first

or

- if you have a case, you will have the opportunity via the club to sit down with us and review all the evidence

or

- all of the above?

[Carns]

 

 

Can someone please clarify

 

What de bohun said.

 

I know it's open to interpretation. 

 

But in terms of "formalising the process"

 

Did he say that the accused person pleading innocence at the meeting with the club and the FFA would not have access to what evidence the FFA had?

I kind of feel like he inferred that that would be on the table as it were.

Yeah he said the person would have to have clear evidence of evidence. But it kind of sounded like a review. 

Video in the article attached. Obviously only one snippet of his interview.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/football/a-league/analysis-the-ffa-a-league-continues-to-ignore-widespread-protests-over-fan-treatment/story-e6frf4gl-1227627598779

 

What do you reckon carns?

 

Is that, 

- you have to prove it first

or

- if you have a case, you will have the opportunity via the club to sit down with us and review all the evidence

or

- all of the above?

"A fan who can bring evidence".

The cynic in me says you have to prove it first, and I believe that is how FFA have operated up until now. Whether they change that behaviour in the wake of the public backlash we wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath. To me, this is lip service, nothing more, nothing less.

 

I believe there is enough momentum to force FFA to implement a proper review system, but they won't do it easily.

[Alexander]

Rejoice everyone, 'Chris' has found a solution to solve all our issues

 

 

Muppet

[ManfredSchaefer]

So...everyone who hated this guy...

 

 

Feeling any nostalgia? 

[btron3000]

Can someone please clarify

 

What de bohun said.

 

I know it's open to interpretation. 

 

But in terms of "formalising the process"

 

Did he say that the accused person pleading innocence at the meeting with the club and the FFA would not have access to what evidence the FFA had?

I kind of feel like he inferred that that would be on the table as it were.

Yeah he said the person would have to have clear evidence of evidence. But it kind of sounded like a review. 

 

The Guardian had him quoted as saying "new evidence", so I doubt that he's going to give people access to the original evidence.

 

Here's the point - if they have absolutely clear evidence of all 198 bans, they would have no problem in letting people see it (except time and money). If they don't have the evidence, they are not going to let people access it.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the next step is "moving forward, this is the process", simply so they don't have to provide evidence of those already banned.

[weeMan]

Me thinks they don't even have proper evidence for those that were 'rightfully' banned.

[Zelinsky]

The last thing FFA want is a public debate about their past banning practices. It would be the end of DeBohun, and maybe Gallop as well.

 

Interesting times ahead. Once the dust has settled football in Australia won't be the same any longer, one way or another.

[Jukes01]

The last thing FFA want is a public debate about their past banning practices. It would be the end of DeBohun, and maybe Gallop as well.

 

Interesting times ahead. Once the dust has settled football in Australia won't be the same any longer, one way or another.

I think you are 100 per cent on your first point FCB. The last thing the FFA want is to be exposed on their lack of a process. The fact is they wont have evidence for a lot of the bans in place and they will have to do a massive backflip. Can you imagine the hysteria once msm realizes that a lot of people banned would have their bans overturned. They have been put between a rock and a hard place and its not going to end well and nor should it. You reap what your sow and in this instance all the FFA will be reaping is a harvest full of trouble. Just to give everone an idea on the disparity of bans between the mainstream sports, courtesy of an interview by Rebecca Wilson on 5AA.

 

Football - 198

NRL - 19

Cricket - less than 10

AFL - about the same as cricket (her words).

 

Of course to justify her figures she said all the other sports incuding AFL dont have a problem. This despite the fact that football run at venues by the SCG trust are the least likely to ban football supporters. She even said that the FFA is not doing enough despite the fact that they have been the most trigger happy in banning their supporters.

 

We should all send a big thank you to one Rebecca "bourbon" Wilson for heping us in garnering enough support around the country in order to get this injustice reversed.

 

Thank you Bec. Cheer up and thanks.

Edited November 30, 2015 by Jukes01

[luisenrique]

Read this in the paper...might be useful. They're probably a bit high profile for us (she has defended Assange among others), but it was mainly the last few paragraphs that got my attention:

 

 

We have created the Grata Fund to address this need. Named after the first woman to practise law in Australia, Grata Flos Matilda Grieg, the Grata Fund brings together some of the best legal practitioners and advocates to provide financial support, free from concerns of financial return or political risk, to people who are determined to take cases to court that serve not just their own interests, but also those of the broader community.

 

Inspired by game-changing court cases that have disrupted unjust laws around the world this year, like the US Supreme Court decision to legalise marriage equality and the Hague decision to mandate climate change emissions reductions in the Netherlands, we want to facilitate opportunities to do the same in Australia. We will facilitate and support individuals and community groups to use the power of the courts to secure landmark decisions like these.

 

The need exists in Australia.  With help from the community, the Grata Fund will open the courts to ordinary people to advocate on the important issues of our time.

 

Full article:

 

http://www.smh.com.au/comment/comment-jennifer-robinson-on-grata-fund-20151130-glbe10.html

[dmixtaaa]

 

The last thing FFA want is a public debate about their past banning practices. It would be the end of DeBohun, and maybe Gallop as well.

 

Interesting times ahead. Once the dust has settled football in Australia won't be the same any longer, one way or another.

I think you are 100 per cent on your first point FCB. The last thing the FFA want is to be exposed on their lack of a process. The fact is they wont have evidence for a lot of the bans in place and they will have to do a massive backflip. Can you imagine the hysteria once msm realizes that a lot of people banned would have their bans overturned. They have been put between a rock and a hard place and its not going to end well and nor should it. You reap what your sow and in this instance all the FFA will be reaping is a harvest full of trouble. Just to give everone an idea on the disparity of bans between the mainstream sports, courtesy of an interview by Rebecca Wilson on 5AA.

 

Football - 198

NRL - 19

Cricket - less than 10

AFL - about the same as cricket (her words).

 

Of course to justify her figures she said all the other sports incuding AFL dont have a problem. This despite the fact that football run at venues by the SCG trust are the least likely to ban football supporters. She even said that the FFA is not doing enough despite the fact that they have been the most trigger happy in banning their supporters.

 

We should all send a big thank you to one Rebecca "bourbon" Wilson for heping us in garnering enough support around the country in order to get this injustice reversed.

 

Thank you Bec. Cheer up and thanks.

 

 

I'll drink to that...

 

To The Rebecca Wilson Tribunal..