Popovic In

I'm still yet to hear from any of the "Popa out" and non Popa fans as to who would actually be a REALISTIC upgrade on him if he were to be moved on. We aren't exactly drowning from the depth of managers here in Australia...

I'm still yet to hear from any of the "Popa out" and non Popa fans as to who would actually be a REALISTIC upgrade on him if he were to be moved on. We aren't exactly drowning from the depth of managers here in Australia...

Farina........

I'm still yet to hear from any of the "Popa out" and non Popa fans as to who would actually be a REALISTIC upgrade on him if he were to be moved on. We aren't exactly drowning from the depth of managers here in Australia...

Every time I've asked that question (which is a lot) every person bar 1 had no answer, just Popa out.

 

The exception was a guy in about February that was ranting, saying that he should've got sacked by now. So I replied saying he was nuts because we'd only just won the ACL. He responded with, "that doesn't matter, Brisbane sacked Mulvey not long after they won the league & that was the right decision!". I replied "ok then, who would you bring in?"

 

He took a while to reply, then said "I'd give Mulvey a go"

Edited October 15, 2015 by Alexander

 

I'm still yet to hear from any of the "Popa out" and non Popa fans as to who would actually be a REALISTIC upgrade on him if he were to be moved on. We aren't exactly drowning from the depth of managers here in Australia...

Farina........

 

He didn't write it! If he hadve written it , it would start something like " Tony Popovic faarken.... " then say .... " stop you whinging faarken bloody bastards , we win ACL , fuuck bloody shiit " thank you.....

You could get a job as a speech writer Jack... 

I'm still yet to hear from any of the "Popa out" and non Popa fans as to who would actually be a REALISTIC upgrade on him if he were to be moved on. We aren't exactly drowning from the depth of managers here in Australia...

Yeah, I have just recently started on the Twattersphere. I feel left out coz I actually like Popa as our coach and the fact he has given us the results other clubs can only dream about. In 3 years, 2 GF's a Premiers plate and an ACL...yeah enough reason to be calling for his Kahunas on the block... but as they all tell me on Twatter..Sheesh, what would I know...     

Yeah the only coaches that are as good as Popa are tied up but plz no more Aussie coaches or semi pro coaches, we want class if Popa was to go

Yeah the only coaches that are as good as Popa are tied up but plz no more Aussie coaches or semi pro coaches, we want class if Popa was to go

A lot of people are mocking Lederer for calling football journalists/pundits asking for them to take it easy on Popa. I actually love that. An extremely seasoned owner and chairman in business backing their coach to the point of potentially embarrassing himself is a so far from regular club ownership is admirable. For me, I increase my already high regard for Lederer for doing so - people can mock me about that, but don't bother because I'm not interested in debating it.

 

Perhaps it's because I've grown up watching Sir Alex getting faith & patience for years and years (4-5 years without a trophy). But I truly believe that coaching stability is a good thing. You bring someone else in (eg Klop at Liverpool), they will be given a squad & style that they may not want to adopt. The result would be another mass exodus and initial poor results.

 

If you rated him 7-10 months ago don't waver from that. Because nothing has changed dramatically. He's still a magnificent coach whom is also respectively new to the role of head coach. His work ethic and natural ability as a coach hasn't changed. Remember the 5 year plan people. He discussed the 5 year plan season 1. If you believe that he is hardworking and 10 steps ahead in each plan, then believe he is the option

Edited October 15, 2015 by Alexander

The thing is though the a league is as good a league as any in the world and you need boys that are speedy physical machines and we haven't got that apart from jamo vidoisic Mitch

"4-5 years without a trophy".....

 

 

Oh, my sweet summer child.

Popa ****ed up with signings

Go get em JayZko

Popa ****ed up with signings

 

and as the first coach to do so in the history of football he should be made an example of.

I'd take Popovic over Postecoglou.

 

The latter hasn't always been successful in his career either. He failed to make any impact as a manager in Greece, where the game can be quite tactical.

 

He led a successful (well backed financially) South Melbourne team to just a 10th place finish in his final season there. Considering that the NSL was not a salary capped league and that the A-League only has 10 teams, that achievement was as bad as the WSW last year, yet South Melbourne weren't forced out of losing players like Mooy because of the nature of the league, nor were they travelling thousands of miles, playing 3 games a week with a squad of less than 30...

 

At MV, Ange finished 13 points behind Popa' s WSW and 10 points behind Arnold's CCM who were also in the ACL..

 

Look at Popa and Ange's biggest achievements...

 

Popa: Winning the ACL with what was deemed an average contestant. Beating the likes of Sanfrecce, Seoul, Al-Hilal... Money stacked clubs with big names regionally. All this while flying from Australia, the furthest most location to most Asian cities in ACL terms.

 

Ange: Winning the Asian Cup where the Socceroos were one of the favourites and on home soil. Losing against South Korea. Playing China instead of Uzbekistan. Drawn against the UAE rather than Japan. Beating South Korea in the final.

 

Popovic has the best man management skills in the country. He can recognise talent and he can instil discipline and structure into a squad.

 

Ange can continue with this fallacy of trying to outplay everyone like Australia is Barcelona. How many points did it earn at the World Cup? How many points did it win against Jordan? Popovic is a realist who knows how to win when it counts.

 

Before anyone mentions those two grand finals, consider how many knockout stages he successfully guided the Wanderers through during that ACL campaign. Consider how he guided the club to a minor premiership despite trailing the leaders for much of the season.

 

I challenge anyone to name a better coach that will turn things around befroe Popa does this season, and will accept less than $1million as salary.

^^^ Add to Ange's achievements the fact that he has the lowest win ratio of any permanent Socceroos coach since Rudi Gutendorf in 1979-81.

I'd take Popovic over Postecoglou.

 

The latter hasn't always been successful in his career either. He failed to make any impact as a manager in Greece, where the game can be quite tactical.

 

He led a successful (well backed financially) South Melbourne team to just a 10th place finish in his final season there. Considering that the NSL was not a salary capped league and that the A-League only has 10 teams, that achievement was as bad as the WSW last year, yet South Melbourne weren't forced out of losing players like Mooy because of the nature of the league, nor were they travelling thousands of miles, playing 3 games a week with a squad of less than 30...

 

At MV, Ange finished 13 points behind Popa' s WSW and 10 points behind Arnold's CCM who were also in the ACL..

 

Look at Popa and Ange's biggest achievements...

 

Popa: Winning the ACL with what was deemed an average contestant. Beating the likes of Sanfrecce, Seoul, Al-Hilal... Money stacked clubs with big names regionally. All this while flying from Australia, the furthest most location to most Asian cities in ACL terms.

 

Ange: Winning the Asian Cup where the Socceroos were one of the favourites and on home soil. Losing against South Korea. Playing China instead of Uzbekistan. Drawn against the UAE rather than Japan. Beating South Korea in the final.

 

Popovic has the best man management skills in the country. He can recognise talent and he can instil discipline and structure into a squad.

 

Ange can continue with this fallacy of trying to outplay everyone like Australia is Barcelona. How many points did it earn at the World Cup? How many points did it win against Jordan? Popovic is a realist who knows how to win when it counts.

 

Before anyone mentions those two grand finals, consider how many knockout stages he successfully guided the Wanderers through during that ACL campaign. Consider how he guided the club to a minor premiership despite trailing the leaders for much of the season.

 

I challenge anyone to name a better coach that will turn things around befroe Popa does this season, and will accept less than $1million as salary.

I have never advocated Popa out . However I think the recruitment by the club last season and this season has been very poor but something that is rarely mentioned is junior development.

 

Going into our 4th season we haven't produced one established regular  team first player .

 

What an indictment given what other clubs (eg Mariners ) have achieved in terms of producing players national team and overseas based players.

 

Marconi and Sydney United over years the produced an amazing numbers of Socceroos  so the talent is in the west.

 

So who is responsible for this non-production of players ?

^^^ Wanderers players that have represented their country at junior level over the last year or so includes Aspro, Alessi, D'Cunha, Youlley, Fofanah, Sotirio, Kuzi and Heward-Belle.

^^^ Wanderers players that have represented their country at junior level over the last year or so includes Aspro, Alessi, D'Cunha, Youlley, Fofanah, Sotirio, Kuzi and Heward-Belle.

...........the question was how many are established regular first team players.

You claimed "non production" of young players so I listed 8 that our club has assisted to attain international status at youth level.  If you have watched these players you will have noticed a lot of potential but gaps in their skill sets and in the ability to express their skills appropriately in the game situation.  This is what you get when you don't have input into their development until they are 16, 17 and 18 years of age.  Australia historically has an issue with late blooming of players because of inadequate development at an early age.  With the move next season to our club having teams from junior level through to NPL2 we should start to be able to develop players right through the system and round them off much earlier than currently.  Hopefully then you will be satisfied.  Its going to take the best part of a decade to be fully effective so in the mean time you will have to put up with a club that has more of the younger youth internationals on its books than any other club and you will also have to put with other clubs pinching some of the best of them because they don't have the fertile football region that we have so they buy the talent in.

You claimed "non production" of young players so I listed 8 that our club has assisted to attain international status at youth level.  If you have watched these players you will have noticed a lot of potential but gaps in their skill sets and in the ability to express their skills appropriately in the game situation.  This is what you get when you don't have input into their development until they are 16, 17 and 18 years of age.  Australia historically has an issue with late blooming of players because of inadequate development at an early age.  With the move next season to our club having teams from junior level through to NPL2 we should start to be able to develop players right through the system and round them off much earlier than currently.  Hopefully then you will be satisfied.  Its going to take the best part of a decade to be fully effective so in the mean time you will have to put up with a club that has more of the younger youth internationals on its books than any other club and you will also have to put with other clubs pinching some of the best of them because they don't have the fertile football region that we have so they buy the talent in.

 

that's all well and good - but if it doesn't fit the narrative riva is trying to create....

 

 

You claimed "non production" of young players so I listed 8 that our club has assisted to attain international status at youth level. If you have watched these players you will have noticed a lot of potential but gaps in their skill sets and in the ability to express their skills appropriately in the game situation. This is what you get when you don't have input into their development until they are 16, 17 and 18 years of age. Australia historically has an issue with late blooming of players because of inadequate development at an early age. With the move next season to our club having teams from junior level through to NPL2 we should start to be able to develop players right through the system and round them off much earlier than currently. Hopefully then you will be satisfied. Its going to take the best part of a decade to be fully effective so in the mean time you will have to put up with a club that has more of the younger youth internationals on its books than any other club and you will also have to put with other clubs pinching some of the best of them because they don't have the fertile football region that we have so they buy the talent in.

that's all well and good - but if it doesn't fit the narrative riva is trying to create....

I wonder why Riva is projecting this hard.....

 

I wonder what motives such a poster could have I wonder?

 

^^^ Wanderers players that have represented their country at junior level over the last year or so includes Aspro, Alessi, D'Cunha, Youlley, Fofanah, Sotirio, Kuzi and Heward-Belle.

...........the question was how many are established regular first team players.

 

It's been 4 years since the club was made from scratch. 3 years of actual games. Most of our players were excess from the other clubs. You can't "establish" an entire team worth of players from home-grown talent in that time, especially not in the way that you are using the word. Mooy could have been one but he chose to walk out. All the others are still teenagers pretty much. How many "established regular first team players" that age are there in the A-league? And are they better than what we've got on a individual level? I'm struggling to think of one without using Google

The majority of the youth players that the Mariners have produced over the years were from Western Sydney. We just weren't around to take them in. There's a reason why the Mariners have slowed down in this department since WSW came about. There are always several youth players (on top of the better known ones mentioned above) who regularly train with the first team, they are always encouraged to be involved.

 

At the end of the day, if the youth just aren't good enough (yet) to be making it into the first team regularly well then it is what it is. I don't see that as a fault of Popa's. The same people who call for the youth to be played more are often the same ones who call for the best team to be taking the pitch each week and winning games. You can't have it both ways.

The majority of the youth players that the Mariners have produced over the years were from Western Sydney. We just weren't around to take them in. There's a reason why the Mariners have slowed down in this department since WSW came about. There are always several youth players (on top of the better known ones mentioned above) who regularly train with the first team, they are always encouraged to be involved.

 

At the end of the day, if the youth just aren't good enough (yet) to be making it into the first team regularly well then it is what it is. I don't see that as a fault of Popa's. The same people who call for the youth to be played more are often the same ones who call for the best team to be taking the pitch each week and winning games. You can't have it both ways.

Yea good points Hughsey and Flytox. Look forward to the day we can produce the Schwarzwers , Okons , Kalacs and other westies who made it bigtime.  

 

The majority of the youth players that the Mariners have produced over the years were from Western Sydney. We just weren't around to take them in. There's a reason why the Mariners have slowed down in this department since WSW came about. There are always several youth players (on top of the better known ones mentioned above) who regularly train with the first team, they are always encouraged to be involved.

At the end of the day, if the youth just aren't good enough (yet) to be making it into the first team regularly well then it is what it is. I don't see that as a fault of Popa's. The same people who call for the youth to be played more are often the same ones who call for the best team to be taking the pitch each week and winning games. You can't have it in both ways.

 

Yea good points Hughsey and Flytox. Look forward to the day we can produce the Schwarzwers , Okons , Kalacs and other westies who made it bigtime.

Let's not forget that they were all products of the old NSL system which, despite its many faults, had a strong and very mature elite youth pathway from early teens up to senior squad standard.

 

How many of today's elite youth are originally products of the proud remnants of that old structure? I haven't looked, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least half of them across the eastern seaboard played some elite junior football in former NSL clubs.

 

Let's not forget that they were all products of the old NSL system which, despite its many faults, had a strong and very mature elite youth pathway from early teens up to senior squad standard.

 

How many of today's elite youth are originally products of the proud remnants of that old structure? I haven't looked, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least half of them across the eastern seaboard played some elite junior football in former NSL clubs.

 

 

The A-League clubs are recruiting from these clubs and stunting the developement of the youngsters. The NYL is a complete waste of time. Just look at the number of young players from WSW that have left for Dutch clubs. Fair play to them - training in a Dutch academy is better for their developement than playing training level matches in the NYL.

 

How many new or past stars of the A-League were the sole or majority end product of the A-League /NYL? I'm really struggling to think of examples!

 

The A-League should probably increase the subs list to 7 and have a homegrown rule in place, requiring clubs to name 3 or 4 homegrown players on their match day team sheets. The youngsters Popa fielded last season did not drastically reduce the league standard when fielded.

Edited October 16, 2015 by torcidaSI

 

Yeah the only coaches that are as good as Popa are tied up but plz no more Aussie coaches or semi pro coaches, we want class if Popa was to go

A lot of people are mocking Lederer for calling football journalists/pundits asking for them to take it easy on Popa. I actually love that. An extremely seasoned owner and chairman in business backing their coach to the point of potentially embarrassing himself is a so far from regular club ownership is admirable. For me, I increase my already high regard for Lederer for doing so - people can mock me about that, but don't bother because I'm not interested in debating it.

Perhaps it's because I've grown up watching Sir Alex getting faith & patience for years and years (4-5 years without a trophy). But I truly believe that coaching stability is a good thing. You bring someone else in (eg Klop at Liverpool), they will be given a squad & style that they may not want to adopt. The result would be another mass exodus and initial poor results.

If you rated him 7-10 months ago don't waver from that. Because nothing has changed dramatically. He's still a magnificent coach whom is also respectively new to the role of head coach. His work ethic and natural ability as a coach hasn't changed. Remember the 5 year plan people. He discussed the 5 year plan season 1. If you believe that he is hardworking and 10 steps ahead in each plan, then believe he is the option

Mate you have this 200% spot on, when you consider what we achieved in 3 years, it's incredible that people are giving Popa 5 games before he needs to be given the sack in S4!! Just imagine if Man Utd sacked Sir Alex when he was going through a drought? So much success that would have never happened if the owners didn't keep faith in him.

 

I think that the days of Sir Alex & Wenger are over, owners, clubs & fans demand success now in every league across the world. If you're going through a tough period everyone thinks it's better to just bring in someone new. I just wonder when the penny will drop that bringing in a new manager every 12-18 months (even less for some teams) isn't the answer. You just hope that the WSW owners stay firm & back the manager.

Popovic IN !

 

Always in.

Popovic IN !

Always in.

Mate get with the Facebook & Twitter ranting!!

 

Popa out! Lederer out! NTS out! Lederer out, oh wait I already did that one...... Pio Out! Etc etc

I hate how Lederer supports Popa and doesn't let his ego interfere with the day-to-day running of the club. I wish he was more like Perez. Also they should do something about those noisy red and black army guys. I heard one of them swearing last weekend. Why won't they leave me alone? I paid good money for my bay 54 seat why shouldn't I sit on it?

Federico get the **** out

Edited October 17, 2015 by JayZko