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FFA Failure: The Sunset Of David Gallop

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Swifty

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^^^^^

 

Almost agree tis not as bad as made out and I still maintain others have also made mistakes...

 

Anyhow... enjoy this is Frank, David, Steven & De Bohun you decide who is who... enjoy..

 

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btron3000

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I had no idea there is a new A-League logo!

It was released a few weeks back.  Evidently some of the clubs had to finalise orders for next seasons kit already.

 

You work for the FFA, right? Or know someone that does.

 

You've always got the inside info and generally provide a counterpoint to the complaints, if not outright defend them.

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Flytox

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I had no idea there is a new A-League logo!

It was released a few weeks back.  Evidently some of the clubs had to finalise orders for next seasons kit already.

 

You work for the FFA, right? Or know someone that does.

 

You've always got the inside info and generally provide a counterpoint to the complaints, if not outright defend them.

 

No I don't work for anyone because I have retired and I have never worked in the football industry but I have long had two "hobbies".  One is stadiums because of my background in structural/civil engineering and post retirement university study of architecture which I did for fun and the other is the business side of football which is just a flow on from a couple of decades in management and a love of the game.  I devour anything on both subjects but I don't remember it all since I had my stroke.

 

Just some things to think about for those critical of the FFA's financial management they have grown their revenue from around $13m at the turn of the century to $103m pa in 2016.  Gallop hasn't done too badly either.  The uplift in the broadcast rights nets $7m in the first year and another $6m in the following year plus Socceroos AFC games will bring in US$1m each which is about A$6.5m a year depending on the number of games we play.  He inherited an underlying revenue shortfall of about $6m pa and the 2012 broadcast rights deal was effectively fully committed before he came on board.  He has grown sponsorship by about 50% so the underlying shortfall has been eliminated which is good because the Government told the FFA that they had to wean themselves off special grants by this year.  The FFA spend about $35-$40m pa on the A-League up from $4m for the NSL in 2000.  I have heard they spend approx $30m pa on the various national teams up from about $5m in 2000.  They make grants of about $7m pa to the State Feds for various bits and pieces like SAP.  Everyone would love them to have more to dish out but they don't so basically every decision is a compromise.

 

Just some dreaming now.  I'd eventually love to see 3 divisions of 16 clubs in the national league with A1 getting a distribution of $6m per club, A2 getting $3m per club and A3 getting $1.5m per club.  Add the admin costs and a $200m broadcast deal plus a bigger sponsorship take might do it.  :)

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btron3000

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If the national team is getting nearly as much as the a-league that is a concern.

 

I think your points make one thing very clear - if Gallop is indeed responsible for the better financial position - I'd argue Lowy is as responsible if not more - then I think it just proves he's a back-end finance type guy. He's woeful at selling the game, and terrible at dealing with stakeholders. He's not a CEO.

 

If the clubs indeed needed time to order kits with the new logo, that just tells you how bad they are at planning / admin and marketing. They should have known this, and planned for it, not dropped it on people almost unannounced. I probably another sign of how they do their planning from their offices instead of getting out and talking to the clubs.

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matty

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I'm actually surprised all the clubs will have the right aleague logo on their strips come round 1.

 

If those numbers are right re NSL spending and aleague spending, it's an abomination. No wonder why no one gives a **** about the league when spending on it has gone up by 10% since the NSL!

The National body has no faith in the league and doesn't realise its importance. They want the clubs to spend all the money to promote it (club spending has gone up in relation to FFA sepnding) and yet withhold as much power from them as possible. Ridiculous.

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Flytox

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You've lost me Matty.  The FFA spend $35m to $40m a year on the A-League.  The ASA spent $4m in 2000 on the NSL.  10%?

 

The average club spend at the moment is around $8.5m pa of which the FFA contributes $2.6m as a distribution from the broadcast rights  and they pick up central costs of about $1.2m per club.  The clubs were said to have lost a combined $15m last year.

 

The NSL Taskforce Report of 2003 showed clubs spent on average $2.9m pa and the ASA contributed nothing but they picked up the $4m in central costs.   The NSL clubs lost a combined $17m pa. over the last 3 years of operation.

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You've lost me Matty. The FFA spend $35m to $40m a year on the A-League. The ASA spent $4m in 2000 on the NSL. 10%?

 

I'm on my way to the optometrist now.

Carry on.

 

I went to the eye specialist yesterday and I was thinking I might have to go again.

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You've lost me Matty. The FFA spend $35m to $40m a year on the A-League. The ASA spent $4m in 2000 on the NSL. 10%?

 

I'm on my way to the optometrist now.

Carry on.

I went to the eye specialist yesterday and I was thinking I might have to go again.
You might need an ophthalmic surgeon!
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I have heard they spend approx $30m pa on the various national teams up from about $5m in 2000.

 

Yeah.... I think they should reduce national team funding - give more to the women's teams - and then chuck the rest of it into the A-League, to be honest

 

 

Day-to-day, week-to-week, us A-League supporters... do we really care about the national team? It'll pay for itself in ticketing revenue and whatnot, surely

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http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/03/17/no-new-model-agreed-after-ffa-talks-deadline-looms

 

As if a meeting on the 17th March was going to enable them to hit the FIFA deadline of end of March! Either the FFA are as incompetent as we thought, or they never wanted to have the time to get agreement before they took their options to FIFA.

Has to be the latter.

Lip service to wider governance.

Then they can argue for an extension and Australia bundled out of the world cup qualifying

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http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/03/17/no-new-model-agreed-after-ffa-talks-deadline-looms

 

As if a meeting on the 17th March was going to enable them to hit the FIFA deadline of end of March! Either the FFA are as incompetent as we thought, or they never wanted to have the time to get agreement before they took their options to FIFA

 

death throes of an organization cornered by those above them and below them, probably have many things they're trying to hide as well, we'll need a independent commission into the FFA as well.

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Flytox

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http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/03/17/no-new-model-agreed-after-ffa-talks-deadline-looms

 

As if a meeting on the 17th March was going to enable them to hit the FIFA deadline of end of March! Either the FFA are as incompetent as we thought, or they never wanted to have the time to get agreement before they took their options to FIFA.

You've lost me a bit with your last bit.  FFA has to get a changed Constitution approved by its members by 31 March.  What options are you talking about that they might take to FIFA?  FIFA does have a department that will check over what the members have decided to check its compliance and no doubt if they have concerns with it they will get back to the FFA but I'm not sure what you mean by taking "options to FIFA".

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btron3000

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http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2017/03/17/no-new-model-agreed-after-ffa-talks-deadline-looms

 

As if a meeting on the 17th March was going to enable them to hit the FIFA deadline of end of March! Either the FFA are as incompetent as we thought, or they never wanted to have the time to get agreement before they took their options to FIFA.

 

You've lost me a bit with your last bit.  FFA has to get a changed Constitution approved by its members by 31 March.  What options are you talking about that they might take to FIFA?  FIFA does have a department that will check over what the members have decided to check its compliance and no doubt if they have concerns with it they will get back to the FFA but I'm not sure what you mean by taking "options to FIFA".
Bad choice of words. It's not "options" they need to take to FIFA by March 31, but the agreed new congress structure.
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Oh look, Gallop giving 30% of the new TV deal to the PFA, before he even knew how much it was going to be (and being $56 million instead of the "minimum" 80m a year he said he would get) is backfiring.

 

FOOTBALL Federation Australia chief executive David Gallop has warned the Socceroos, Matildas and grassroots soccer will suffer from funding cuts if A-League clubs get more than $3.25 million each on offer this season.

 

Gallop is adamant FFA is doing what’s right for the game across the country.

 

“We are providing them (A-League clubs) with more money after reducing FFA’s own costs significantly,’’ Gallop said.

 

“But the FFA board also has a responsibility to the 1.1 million participants in community football and our national teams program.

 

“The only way we can provide the clubs with more money is to cut more funding to the grassroots and junior and senior national teams and we do not believe that is in the interests of football in this country.

 

“The suggestion by the clubs that FFA will return less than 50 percent of the revenue generated by the clubs in the coming year is totally incorrect.â€

 

Gallop’s statement was issued after all A-League clubs rejected FFA’s offer of $3.25 million per club next season.

 

Australian Professional Football Clubs Association (APFCA) chairman and Adelaide United chairman Greg Griffin says FFA’s proposal was another reason why “the game needs reform of governance and management of our game and things must change now.â€

 

“We have worked in good faith for the last eighteen months to achieve a distribution that will deliver a sustainable future for the league,’’ Griffin said after club chairmen and chief executives met with Gallop and members of FFA in Sydney on Tuesday.

 

“With this proposal the FFA has shown its disregard for the A-League and those who have invested in it.

 

“The clubs are no longer prepared to fund the FFA through annual club losses.â€

 

This season FFA paid each club $2.55 million — to cover the salary cap — as part of the older TV deal which was worth $40 million a year.

 

That TV contract ends in June.

 

The new TV deal is worth about $57.8 million a year starting in July and ending six years later.

 

FFA is also expected to make an announcement regarding free to air television, radio and international rights soon which would further bolster the federation’s coffers.

 

In a statement issued by APFCA on Tuesday the body claimed it’s position is based on:

 

THE $32.5 million cash distribution being offered to the 10 clubs of the A-League represents less than 50 per cent of the FFA’s own calculations of direct revenues produced by the A-League.

 

THE FFA additionally receives many millions of dollars of indirect revenue as a result of the provision by clubs of A-League commercial inventory and ticketing; the bundling of other assets and rights with A-League rights and assets; and the overall halo effect for the game at large of the Hyundai A-League.

 

UNDER this proposal nearly every dollar would be pre-committed to cover the $3.2 million of player obligations made up of A-League, W-League, NPL and NYL player payments.

 

“It leaves scholarship players, homegrown players, marquee players, guest players, season long guest players, relocation and other salary cap exempt items unaccounted for.

 

“This is before any consideration is given to any other club expenditures such as payroll tax, insurance, mandated junior academy investments, coaching and medical staff, administration and commercial staff, community outreach, marketing and stadium training and administration facility costs.â€
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“With this proposal the FFA has shown its disregard for the A-League and those who have invested in it. The clubs are no longer prepared to fund the FFA through annual club losses.â€

 

This doesn't leave much space for further talks.

 

And a walk out too! Good to see that the club reps paid attention back in Nov 15 and followed the lead of the active supporters.

 

High time for FIFA to step in and reclaim the game from the Lowy gang.

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I can't believe I'm rooting for FIFA, like seriously that's how bad FFA are.  :rofl:

 

If you're rooting for FIFA, then you'll end up rooting for anybody !!..lol

 

Seriously though....maybe this should be in the membership thread but can anyone explain to me why Tim Cahill gets funding from the FFA ? I have no issue with him and what he has contributed to the National team....but he should not be recieving money from the National body...that is money that can be put to better use elsewhere.

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btron3000

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“With this proposal the FFA has shown its disregard for the A-League and those who have invested in it. The clubs are no longer prepared to fund the FFA through annual club losses.â€

 

This doesn't leave much space for further talks.

 

And a walk out too! Good to see that the club reps paid attention back in Nov 15 and followed the lead of the active supporters.

 

High time for FIFA to step in and reclaim the game from the Lowy gang.

I was going to like this post until the last line. God help us! FIFA to the rescue hahaha

 

The way this is headed, and the fact that the 2022 WC is in Qatar, and the 2026 will be the ridiculous 48 team extravaganza, I'm pretty much on the verge of not giving a **** about the Socceroos at all. Let the A-league run itself, keep it's money, and stop allowing the A-league to fund the useless carnts at national level, half of whom have taken stupid paydays in the middle east to the detriment of the quality of the NT anyway. You millionaires want to fly business class? Pay for the upgrade yourselves!

 

The Matildas, on the other hand, deserve all the cash they can get.

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Flytox

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The increase in cash from Fox in the first year is $7m and the increase in distribution to the clubs using the figures in that article is $7m.  Is it unreasonable that the clubs get all the uplift in the broadcast rights until a new ownership/funding model is agreed?

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No denying there needs to be change within the FFA, but am I the only one who can't help but feel like this is incredibly hypocritical of FIFA to be going after them so persistently?

 

Would we be seeing them do this to one of the big footballing nations? Feels like they've just picked an easy target to try and make themselves look good and restore an image of righteousness and leadership.

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