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    Football Federation Australia, with help from Melbourne Victory & the Victorian Police are attempting yet again to destroy Active Support in the A-League.

     

    I should be writing my A-League preview right now, but a far more important piece of news has come to light.

     

    This article (Football clubs, police crack down on hooligans at Melbourne games) comes out of the Herald Sun of Victoria. The Herald Sun is one part of the all encompassing AFL Propaganda Bubble perpetuated by News Corp (They are an AFL Official Partner) & the AFL's own in-house media wing. The article lists a series of draconian fines, penalties, laws and measures that will be deployed against the Melbourne Victory active supporter group, as well as a confirmation that they will be extended to the rest of the country if successful in Melbourne.

     

    These measures are nothing of an attempt to eradicate Active Support from the A-League.

     

    Melbourne Victory is first, Heart might be next, but then it will be Western Sydney in the crosshairs of the FFA & Police.

     

    The Victorian Police are ingrained into this bubble. They have collaborated with the AFL to ensure that alleged rapists who happen to be AFL players are investigated badly, with officers pressured by their fellow officers to drop their investigations. This behaviour was so poor that this incident is now under investigation by the Victorian Independent Broad-based Anti-corruption Commission. The AFL has agreements with the Victorian Police that have the potential to allow the AFL organisation to sweep under the rug illegal betting, drug trafficking, drug use, as well as match fixing. The AFL & the Victorian Police are inextricably linked.

     

    The AFL's #1 threat in this country is football. They are running scared of Football. They trashed our World Cup bid. Every week we see articles written by the likes of Graham Cornes, where our sport is attacked by ignorant morons, ingrained from birth to support AFL and only AFL, who see our sport as an un-Australian foreign sport played by immigrants that is a threat to the good order of the nation. Football's big advantages over the AFL are atmosphere, and the youth demographic who are following football but not the AFL. Our sport represents the vast and varied cultural elements and ancestries that make up this nation far better than the anglo dominated AFL does. Supporters of Football are far younger on average than those who support AFL, and our participation levels are through the roof compared to the AFL, without having to resort to dirty tricks like counting school based auskick programs while football only records real club participation.

     

    The AFL would gain a clear benefit should the Victorian Police succeed in destroying Active Support in the A-League. Doing so would go a long way to demolishing several of the biggest advantages the A-League has in attracting patrons. The youth demographic, and the atmosphere that draws people into the biggest clubs in the country. Across the A-League the clubs with the best atmosphere attract the most supporters. Last season the highest supported clubs in the league were Melbourne Victory (average crowds over 23,000), Sydney FC (over 18,600) and the Western Sydney Wanderers (over 14,500). While I would not go so far as to claim a causal link, it is without doubt that atmosphere attracts people to matches, and that it is Active support who provide that atmosphere. The FFA use active support constantly in promotions for the A-League.

     

    That article outlines the measures that the Victorian Police are undertaking from the start of this A-League season. Instead of standing up for the supporters, the people who pay the bills, Melbourne Victory Football Club & Football Federation Australia have caved, ignorant of the role that active support plays in building these clubs, and allowing the Police and Media to yet again trash the reputation of Australia's active supporters in a manner that does not fit reality. The reality is that Cricket, AFL & NRL all suffer massive problems of their own with supporters being racist, or attacking each other in the street as well as large scale drunken unsocial behaviour.

     

    Unlike the other sports however, Football does not have a sympathetic media who sweep most incidents under the rug and leave them unreported. Nor does it have police who say they are "generally happy" when for example, 19 people are arrested in Fremantle following the AFL Grand Final. When 78 people are evicted from the 2012 Melbourne Cup the police describe it the day as "generally well behaved". In 2007 after 192 people were evicted from a cricket match the police "praised overall crowd behaviour". Another cricket match in 2007 where there were 189 evictions and 16 arrests, yet again saw the words "generally happy" being used. In 2009 47 people were arrested in Geelong after the AFL Grand Final. The police described themselves as "obviously pleased" with behaviour.

     

    Compare that to the 2013 Melbourne Victory vs Perth Glory final where only 6 evictions were recorded, and Victorian Police Assistant Commissioner Rick Nugent described the night as being filled with "hooliganism". Or when the Police made only three arrests (at least one of which I believe was quashed when it eventually went to court) at the Sydney FC hosted Sydney Derby last season, only for Police to follow that up the next day by calling it a "very serious issue". The FFA & the clubs involved should be correcting the record, releasing the truth, instead of bowing down to vested interests that want nothing more than to tear down our league and our sport and use the demonisation of the supporters who pay the wages of the FFA & A-League clubs to do it. The idea that A-League Active Support is filled with hooligans is a media lie, invented by those in the back pocket of the AFL. Hatamoto agrees and tells the FFA they need to crackdown so they can gain more lucrative contracts, while the Police look for as much taxpayer funded operational money as they can get their hands on.

     

    The following measures are listed in bold, with my reaction after. Remember, if we do not fight these changes it will be us soon enough.

     

    A dedicated police investigations team headed by a high-ranking detective formed to probe all criminal incidents at A-League matches. Does an A-League active supporter group warrant the kind of investigation force that usually goes after bikie gangs and organised crime? The two most public examples of crowd violence in the A-League last season, the Melbourne Heart vs WSW attack, and the Sydney Derby 'glass throwing', didn't result in any police action at all. Despite the man in Melbourne being shown on HD television with his full face exposed, the police were unable to bring charges against the person. Neither did the police in NSW to my knowledge find the person involved in the glass throwing incident. I'd expect that kind of incompetence from Chief Wiggum, not highly paid 'detectives' who should be out attacking crime gangs, mafia, drug rings, actual criminals, and not people at a football match.

     

    Rival teams Melbourne Victory and Melbourne Heart ban flags and banners of splinter supporter groups in the stands, clamping down on the association of rogue fans. Who decides who is a 'rouge' or a 'splinter'? What exactly does a 'splinter' mean? Does it mean for example the group of mates in the RBB that I stand with in Bay 55, people who I have travelled to Adelaide, Newcastle, Melbourne and Gosford with, who as a collective decided to move out of the over-crowded Bay 56 in order to help create a better atmosphere in Bay 55? Are we a 'rogue' or 'splinter' group? Am I a 'rogue' because I run a website critical of the police, Hatamoto & the FFA? What about the Corner Post Crew? Are they a 'splinter'? Can I and the rest of Bay 55 expected to get banned without reason? What MVFC & the FFA don't seem to understand is that these so called splinter groups are nothing more than groups of mates or people who happen to come from the same geographic area, who attend matches together. I'm sure that is much the case in Melbourne as it is here at the Wanderers. Do I deserve to be targeted because I identify with a group of mates in addition to being part of the overall RBB?

     

    Dob-a-yobbo text messaging hotlines for matches at AAMI Park as well as Etihad Stadium for the first time to encourage fans to alert police and security about troublemakers. What a total waste of time and money. There is next to no trouble at A-League matches, and trouble quickly spotted by the hundreds of police or security guards, not to mention that trouble is far less than at NRL, AFL or Cricket matches because of crowd segregation. Last season the only time I ever felt like there was any kind of "trouble" was when the idiots at the Sydney Football Stadium decided they wanted to force what seemed like half the stadium to get crushed in a lineup outside a single gate entrance so they could attempt invasive and pointless searches on everyone who entered.

     

    Stronger ticket entry regulations with members forced to scan their pass on entry and again when they reach certain parts of the ground. We already get forced to scan our entry tickets and passes on entry to the ground and people are already sent into specific gate entrances for specific sections of the ground, there is little point whatsoever in tracking people to a level that would not be out of place in the book 1984. Melbourne Victory, instead of allowing their active support to grow like the Wanderers have done, cut the number of memberships from 700 to 500, and will erect barricades that prevent anyone from joining the North Terrace. They will also install scanners to totally ensure that no-one who has a general admission ticket can even think about becoming part of the NT. Is that going to happen to the Wanderers? Will next season see Bay 54 and Bay 58 covered by tarpaulins, with people banned from active support outside bays 55, 56 & 57 under threat of having their memberships torn up? What if the FFA don't think tarpaulins work, or work well enough? Will they introduce cages and metal fencing? Does no-one at the FFA care to learn lessons from history, where people have gone to watch a football match and not come home, because of negligent crowd controls that limited people's freedom of movement.

     

    Damien de Bohun is the current head of the A-League for Football Federation Australia, and under his leadership the relationship with Active Supporters between the FFA & several A-League clubs has been destroyed. No-one involved with active support that I know trusts a word that comes out of his mouth. Not when those seeking discussion and constructive dialogue are stonewalled at every turn, then dismissed by him, and the rest of Football Federation Australia. It is my belief that out of everyone at the FFA there is only one person who truly understands active support, and his efforts go to waste when the higher ups at the FFA refuse to engage with active support on any meaningful level. As one example, when those involved with Terrace Australis recently attempted to include the A-League in the discussions about active support, the people at the FFA refused outright to discuss the A-League active support situation. It wasn't their concern.

     

    The FFA wasn't interested in A-League active support, they cared only about the Asian Cup. That was their sole focus. They do not want to be embarrassed by travelling Korean, Japanese and other active Asian supporters in our own backyard. What the FFA don't seem to realise is that people involved with TA are involved with active support in the A-League. Some are leaders of their own clubs active support, others perform minor roles, while others are simply part of the overall collective of an club active support group without actually leading them. But no matter what role they play, they still aren't going to roll over for the FFA and play along. They aren't going to sell out the supporters of their own clubs and help the FFA when the FFA won't help the active support in the A-League. With these changes it looks like the FFA are going to try and destroy A-League active support this season, even though the people involved with A-League active support are the same people that will have to run the National Team active support for the Asian Cup.

     

    Instead of supporting their customers and active supporters, the FFA & the clubs have helped to demonise them. They have allowed the media and police to blow up minor incidents into cataclysmic portents of doom that to be prevented, require hundreds of police, including members of elite paramilitary special forces units, horse patrols, highway patrol, dog squad, helicopters, hundreds of security guards and the continual waste of money that is paying the anti-terrorist organisation Hatamoto to consult with the FFA. The article reports Kevin Muscat as saying that matches have to become "more family friendly". With all due respect to Muscat, attendance records at Sydney FC, Melbourne Victory & the Wanderers, not to mention the simple act of seeing who turns up to A-League matches, proves that the A-League is perfectly family friendly right now. Additionally, the last line of the article states that up to 50,000 people are expected to watch the Melbourne Derby. I highly doubt that a crowd of 50,000 could be in sight without families feeling safe enough to watch the match.

     

    I am sick to death of being treated like a criminal when I go to an A-League match. I am sick to death of idiots at the FFA who want to turn the RBB into an AFL cheer squad. I am sick to death of football and it's supporters being demonised by the media, only to watch the sycophants at the FFA crawl up to the media on all fours and kiss arse, sucking up to media organisations who are officially linked with the AFL & NRL, instead of telling the truth, which is that these minor problems in the A-League pale in comparison to the problems the AFL, NRL & Cricket have with violence and anti-social behaviour and that the FFA will not allow the media and police to hold active support hostage. I do not like having to stand next to a jittery officer with his hand on his gun at a football match, like what happened at Penrith. I am tired of seeing the FFA & the clubs try to destroy active support in the mistaken impression that it is somehow 'holding the sport back' or in the belief there is a major problem with 'hooliganism' in active support.

     

    As a person who has attended all matches involving the Wanderers in New South Wales since inception, including all pre-season matches, as well as several interstate matches, I should have witnessed this immense hooliganism, and crowd violence first hand? Yet I have not. I have not seen a single example of violence. Except for one. It was at Campbelltown Stadium last season, where the police threw an old man face first onto the asphalt for a crime that was not apparent to anyone waiting in line. He sat there bleeding from his face while his wife cried by his side.

     

    Last season the RBB was recognised as playing a huge part in the growth of the Western Sydney Wanderers, so why do those running the FFA refuse to accept that our sport can only grow bigger the more they allow active support to grow. Why is it that places like Germany can generate

    levels of active support in stadiums far bigger than most A-League grounds, without having to create onerous entry conditions and oppressive levels of police activity? Have the FFA requested the Police give them the hard numbers on incidents in the A-League, NRL, AFL & Cricket to prove one way or the other if there really is a problem in the A-League? Or are they simply accepting of Police 'gut feelings' and agree to crackdowns like these with no evidence? Do the FFA simply not want to bother trying to embrace active support? Is it all too hard for them? Instead of wasting money on Hatamoto, maybe spend some money on a plane trip to the Westfalenstadion.

     

    The FFA's latest marking gimmick is to say that supporters "Power The Game".

     

    It's up to the FFA to ensure that this power isn't suffocated, or switched off at the source by those who seek to destroy football. If Damien de Bohun or David Gallop can't do that, they should step down and allow people who aren't willing to let our sport remain demonised and attacked by the police and media to take over.

     

    Make no mistake fellow Wanderers, we are next.

     

    If the FFA attempt to introduce these ridiculous conditions onto the RBB they can have my membership back until they realise what a mistake they have made.

     

    Football without fans is nothing.


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    I've said it before in this forum a number of times DeBohan is a bad apple, he shows the fans nothing but distain and will, if allowed destroy everything that has been created over the past 18 months.

    The issues in Melbourne have come about because of the AFL and their corruption of the Victorian police. The obvious biase towards the AFL and their covering up serious incidents and crime has been long known. So now we have a situation whereby they have corrupted the police and can now influence their behaviour towards Aleauge supporters.

    We are next because the NRL will learn new tricks from their southern cousins.

     

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    Dumb Question

     

    In the restrictions and policing plan, is there any reference to away fans? I imagine that the new restrictions would require a large amount of police officers to enforce them. Could WSW fans be boxed into an away section?

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    Unfortunately, it seems that a degree of paranoia is developing on this matter.

     

    As mentioned earlier by another post, there has been no sign of chanting and non-abusive support ever being an issue. Flares however are.

     

    It is far easier to ensure that flares are not carried and lit than seek unnecessarily to start a mass movement of protest that the majority of WSW fans - who just want to see the end of flares - will not support.

     

    I have no doubt that any person carrying or lighting a flare this weekend endangers not only his membership, but that of those around him. 

     

    Stamp the flares out and I am sure the FFA will be more than content.

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    This whole situation is extremely annoying. At a time when football in this country is finally gaining a foothold and acceptance within the broader community, when our crowds are growing and overall standards improving.  The FFA in its "wisdom" brings in measures which are totally unnecessary and send the wrong message about football. When we should be looking forward to the first round of matches, the rhetoric we get coming out of the FFA is "we are going to take a strong stance against unsocial behaviour". For f*cks sake a ball hasn't been kicked in the opening round and we already have a situation develop from nothing. The focus should be on the 1st matches and in particular the Melbourne Derby which is one of the show piece events of the A-league. Another overreaction by the FFA. Frustrating.

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    https://twitter.com/WestSydney

     

    I can only assume it was for one/both of these two tweets, as they were the only thing I directly posted to the FFA at the time of the block:

     

    Brian Gibson (who runs the A-League twitter to my understanding) tweeted: "45,000 followers to see in the start of Season 2013/14. 6 days to go!â€"

     

    My response: "Just imagine how many would show up if it was family friendly instead of filed with lawbreaking hooligans."

     

    His reply: "It is mainly family friendly."

     

    My final tweet back: "Then why are you collaborating with the AFL run media & Victorian Police to demonise supporters?!"

     

    Then I realised I couldn't see what the A-League account was posting on my WSF twitter, and realised I wasn't following, tried to re-follow, saw I was blocked.

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    Divided we fall. They are cherry picking the supporter groups and the fact there is no united fan alliance means they can come after us individually and we wont have the strength to do anything.

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    You dont need to love our rivals. You can continue to wage war on the terraces and hurl abuse as much as you like.

     

    But in unity we are helping our brothers and sisters in the red and black and our team. Fans can protest inside the stadium but other actions will occur with say lawyers or board room coordinated action, you wont have to sit there are kiss ass, you will be in the terraces playing your part. We will all have to stand up.

     

     

    We'll all be singing **** the Victory as loud as ever, but we can't do this on our own either. We've built a mighty force in only one year, but the bigger this gets, and I think a number of us are in agreement, that this will not get better any time soon and that westofcentre is absolutely right, divided we fall.

     

    As big as WSW are in terms of the FFA's growth plans, as supporters voicing our opinions for one club we can only influence so much. Stick together and protect our own? Hell yeah. It's what differentiates us from the rest of the A-League, well from the rest of society. When you're from Western Sydney we know no one else is going to help us, if not try to kick us down. But should it come to a point where we need to stand up for football support in general in this country, we might just be doing more for our WSW supporters in one side action than anything we can do in the name of the RBB and WSW alone.

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    Everyone needs to calm down IMO.

     

    There is a strictly Victoria/Victory matter and does not effect WS or any other club. The amount of paranoia and hysteria about today is incredible really.

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    https://twitter.com/WestSydney

     

    I can only assume it was for one/both of these two tweets, as they were the only thing I directly posted to the FFA at the time of the block:

     

    Brian Gibson (who runs the A-League twitter to my understanding) tweeted: "45,000 followers to see in the start of Season 2013/14. 6 days to go!â€"

     

    My response: "Just imagine how many would show up if it was family friendly instead of filed with lawbreaking hooligans."

     

    His reply:

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    It is mainly family friendly."

     

    My final tweet back: "Then why are you collaborating with the AFL run media & Victorian Police to demonise supporters?!"

     

    Then I realised I couldn't see what the A-League account was posting on my WSF twitter, and realised I wasn't following, tried to re-follow, saw I was blocked.

    You can only LOL at this type of ****. Tonight they launch the Power the Game ads on TV.

     

    Power the game, we need you.. until you say something we dont like then we will block you on Twitter. Knob jockeys.

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    Mack that's f***ed up. Free country indeed.

     

    We may need to rethink our desire to have a supporter led buyer group for the club.

     

    Anyone keen to put in some $'s to buy a newspaper? Well, a couple of $M?

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    we have given up flares, can't help what individuals do.

    As far as the media and authorities are concerned we are those individuals..all of us who wear red and black..This has been my point from the beginning....flares and singing about F#cking peoples mums, throwing glasses at restaurant patrons...they all wear red and black..this is whats seen...How do you and I separate ourselves from that stigma...wake the **** up to ourselves and smell the roses is how..I ask you all please do this , because the RBB is so very special and there are a few that will **** this up for everyone..and it will spread like cancer on the Wanderers..then it will all be over and the red neck NRL, AFL mob will have won, because we had our immature heads to far up our own asses...And Yes ive had one too many beers this afternoon and my head is a little sun burnt from being at the Wanderers launch today..where was everyone by the way..great support...

     

     

    Do you really think the people on this forum are the ones ripping flares and hassling restaurant patrons? Of course they're not. So no-one here needs to 'wake up and smell the roses.'

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    Mack that's f***ed up. Free country indeed.

     

    We may need to rethink our desire to have a supporter led buyer group for the club.

     

    Anyone keen to put in some $'s to buy a newspaper? Well, a couple of $M?

     

    Let's make our own!

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    Everyone needs to calm down IMO.

     

    There is a strictly Victoria/Victory matter and does not effect WS or any other club. The amount of paranoia and hysteria about today is incredible really.

    You are the guinea pigs. We will be next.

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    Everyone needs to calm down IMO.

     

    There is a strictly Victoria/Victory matter and does not effect WS or any other club. The amount of paranoia and hysteria about today is incredible really.

    Exactly. This forum doesn't even have an official thread about our round 1 game which is in a few days time. Everyone too busy getting outraged about off field issues again.

     

    Shouldn't this thread be in the A League section, or at least in the RBB section? What does it gave to do with the WSW?

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    Give it time and you will see, they are currently too busy with victory right now, you're next my friend

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    Mack, Les Murray seemed to be on side with that twitter feed. SBS may be the only media avenue to assist. Possibly this Thursday FC show where its meant to be about the fans, you can get in the audience too. With the guise of humour perhaps they would look to point out the REAL facts in relation to fan "violence" between codes and sports. Something like running a weekly tally of the amount of fans who attend A-League fixtures this weekend & ejections compared to say the NRL grandfinal. I dare say it would be months into the season until the total ejections from all games in the A-League would reach that dubiously low number of 30 reported from the NRL GF yesterday... 

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    Everyone needs to calm down IMO.

     

    There is a strictly Victoria/Victory matter and does not effect WS or any other club. The amount of paranoia and hysteria about today is incredible really.

     

    it doesn't affect us directly..

     

    yet.

     

    and what happens with Victory affects us indirectly. we want the entire league to have good active support. if you boys get shut down, we're forever alone :(

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    Everyone needs to calm down IMO.

     

    There is a strictly Victoria/Victory matter and does not effect WS or any other club. The amount of paranoia and hysteria about today is incredible really.

     

    Better for us to be proactive then reactive. Better prevent it now then trying to deal with it when the shitstorm comes.

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    Although this opinion piece has some very well argued elements and good points, I disagree with the headliner that "Football Federation Australia....(is) yet again to destroy Active Support in the A-League".

     

    If you look at new positions at FFA within the portfolio of Kyle Patterson that are dedicated to community and fans liaison, there is commitment to engagement with active supporters especially through the leaders of such groups and encouraging all clubs to be procactive with such engagement.

     

    Rather than just criticise authorities (FFA, Clubs and Police), we also need to recognise there are some almost destructive, sabotaging minority elements within active supporters of many clubs. These potentially dangerous idiots through their selfish and puerile activties help to draw unwanted and mostly unjustified attention from authorities on the rest of active supporters. So the greater good gets mired, tarred and tainted with a sledge hammer type approach on certain issues and areas of security etc. 

     

    The "enemy within" needs to be addressed by supporter groups. That way it can be better argued for natural justice processes to be put in place to deal with alleged incidents where mandatory fines and bans are applied to fans. Unfortunately those that are genuinely not at fault currently can't expect fairness in any avenues for review of their cases.

     

    Of course, it would help if the Police force (especially in the NSW jurisdication) took training of their personnel more seriously in terms of better understanding of the football active fans culture. This needs to extend beyond Sydney to include Newcastle and Gosford regions. Last season, it seemed clear that the latter police were well out of their depth with dealing with crowd management aspects and used inappropriate techniques in some cases.

     

    I don't know enough about other State jurisdictions in terms of policing at football games, though clearly some splinter groups have made crowd management much more complicated and at times difficult. Also remember at that last away game to the Heart about the type of behaviour that some of their home fans displayed which only fuels a get tough attitude from authorities.

     

    It's a very complex set of issues that have been raised, and ongoing communication and engagement is required between FFA, Police, Clubs, stadium security with main club supporter groups leaders. How this is best facilitated is one of main challenges.

     

    The greater good of football is at stake, where creative expression in support of teams is not stifled and instead encouraged.

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    we have given up flares, can't help what individuals do.

    As far as the media and authorities are concerned we are those individuals..all of us who wear red and black..This has been my point from the beginning....flares and singing about F#cking peoples mums, throwing glasses at restaurant patrons...they all wear red and black..this is whats seen...How do you and I separate ourselves from that stigma...wake the **** up to ourselves and smell the roses is how..I ask you all please do this , because the RBB is so very special and there are a few that will **** this up for everyone..and it will spread like cancer on the Wanderers..then it will all be over and the red neck NRL, AFL mob will have won, because we had our immature heads to far up our own asses...And Yes ive had one too many beers this afternoon and my head is a little sun burnt from being at the Wanderers launch today..where was everyone by the way..great support...

     

     

    Do you really think the people on this forum are the ones ripping flares and hassling restaurant patrons? Of course they're not. So no-one here needs to 'wake up and smell the roses.'

     

    Are you stupid enough to say that nobody on this forum has ever ripped a flare.....good one...

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    We will be next. The police have said of their measures are successful in Melbourne they will roll them out elsewhere.

     

    And its not just Melb Victory. Look at Adelaide. Look at Perth, look at us. There are many vaired causes as to the issues for each club but ot all comes down to lack of engagment and avenues for fan grievances to be addressed.

     

    Whete is due process? Fan rips a flare. If he is guilty - ban him. Where is the due process?

     

    The fans have been screwed by many dofferent groups because we do not have a voice.

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