Interesting Football Stuff.

[SomeGuy1977]

not sure how his history with Chelsea is related or relevant. He moved on. Why cant the media?

[Prydzopolis]

7 hours ago, SomeGuy1977 said:

not sure how his history with Chelsea is related or relevant. He moved on. Why cant the media?

Must be something along the lines of "do you remember Oscar, yes that Oscar that left Chelsea to go to China for the dollars?"

Well now I've got you interested, check out this 50 man all in brawl in CSL. 

[Paul01]

English FA cutting all sponsorship deals with betting agencies.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/soccer/english-football-association-ends-sponsorship-deals-with-betting-companies-20170622-gwwrg2.html

Edited June 25, 2017 by Paul01
Correction

[Carns]

6 people charged over Hillsborough disaster.

"David Duckenfield, a former senior police officer who was in charge of police operations at Hillsborough on the day of the disaster, was charged with the manslaughter by gross negligence of 95 men, women and children, Hemming said.

He was not charged over the death of the 96th casualty, who died four years after the disaster, because of legal time limits that were in force at the time.

The other five people charged included other police officers, a lawyer who had acted for police, and a safety officer at the Hillsborough stadium. Charges included perverting the course of justice, contravening safety regulations and misconduct in public office".

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/06/28/uk-prosecutors-charge-six-people-over-1989-hillsborough-disaster-killed-96

[btron3000]

I feel sorry for those just doing their jobs, but not for those that covered up the stuff-ups.

If I remember the docos properly, that Duckenfield bloke had never handled a big game like that before. Those who let him do it are just as culpable.

[Carns]

8 minutes ago, btron3000 said:

I feel sorry for those just doing their jobs, but not for those that covered up the stuff-ups.

If I remember the docos properly, that Duckenfield bloke had never handled a big game like that before. Those who let him do it are just as culpable.

He's a bit more culpable than that. He deliberately tried to cover things up and deliberately ignored the advice from people who had more experience than he did. I have no sympathy for him.

[btron3000]

Just now, Carns said:

He's a bit more culpable than that. He deliberately tried to cover things up and deliberately ignored the advice from people who had more experience than he did. I have no sympathy for him.

Yeah I can't recall all the elements. Now you say it I do remember something about him ignoring advice (even on the day something about where he stationed himself, to do with that looking tower off to the right and the time they took to respond etc...), so yeah if that is why he is being charged, sure. And anyone that covered stuff up and tried blaming the fans deserves what they get.

[luisenrique]

In Bed With Maradona have done a bunch of articles related to Buenos Aires & football

http://inbedwithmaradona.com/buenos-aires

 

[Valter43]

Hajduk Split have released their third kit, which was designed by fans and has their names written on it. Pretty cool!

[Prydzopolis]

 

[btron3000]

https://www.outsports.com/2017/7/21/16007682/ronaldinho-ramzan-kadyrov-chechnya-gay-purge

 

Sportsman and social conscience hey? 

[theguyyouwishyouwere]

 

[Paul01]

In the first game of the Belgian Pro-League, Vukovic gets splinters sitting on the bench in a 3-3 draw for Genk.

And He had the No. 1 on his back

🤓🤓

Edited July 29, 2017 by Paul01
Correction

[sonar]

Apologies if this has already been posted before, one of the best back passes you will ever see...lol

 

Edited August 5, 2017 by sonar

[Paul01]

Vukovic first game lets 2 past in a 1-2 loss. 

No longer the clean sheet king

[Prydzopolis]

 

[Carns]

Neymar transfer exposes football’s modern-day trafficking scheme

Governments and clubs have done a deal to erase players’ rights.

The agreement by Barcelona to transfer the football player Neymar to Paris St Germain for €222m has provoked media outrage — but of the wrong kind. We should not be incensed by the pricetag, but by the fact that it remains legal for a business to sell an employee to another business.

Barcelona sold Neymar to PSG. That is the only reason he is allowed to move. He could not have sold himself, and had he sought to transfer to another club of his own volition, and without Barcelona’s agreement, he could have been banished from professional football.

Most readers of this column will have a job — how would you feel if your current employer said you could not take up an opportunity at another company unless they received compensation equal to four or five times your annual salary? How would you feel if your employer said you could not even talk to another company interested in hiring you without their prior consent? You would almost certainly go to court to defend your rights — in the EU, you would almost certainly win. The free movement of labour clauses of EU law protect your autonomy in this regard. We accept this as right and good. Why, then, are we comfortable with the bartering of professional football players?

Consider further that this business transaction actually hurts Neymar financially — the money PSG pays to Barcelona could have been part of his individual compensation had he been allowed to bargain on his own behalf. Of course, he is already a multi-millionaire; few will have sympathy for his financial plight here. But FIFPro, the player’s union which by its own account represents more than 60,000 professional players, does not speak just for the superstars and the mega-rich. I estimate, in fact, that the median salary of its members is less than $50,000.

For the vast majority of players, the restrictions imposed by the transfer system can create genuine hardship. For example, in many countries, players in the lesser leagues routinely do not get paid their wages. Yet the transfer regulations stipulate that they cannot even begin the process of finding another employer until they have gone without pay for a full six months. Imagine you are a middle-class employee, perhaps with a family. You have not seen a paycheck in four months, but you cannot leave or even try to find another job.

The transfer system as it currently stands was created in 2001, following the 1995 Bosman judgment of the European Court of Justice, which declared the old transfer system illegal — precisely because it did not respect the right of free movement. Astonishing as it may sound, the new system was agreed between Fifa (then headed by Sepp Blatter) and the European Commission, without the consent of the players’ representatives. Unsurprisingly, it favours the employers.

Research by FIFPro has identified other forms of abuse in the transfer system. Players who ask to leave their club against owners’ wishes are bullied, harassed, and at times even physically abused. No one would tolerate this state of affairs in any other business (with the possible exception of organised prostitution), but naive young professional players can be easily exploited.

To be sure, many clubs are exemplary employers and treat players well — but basic rights should not be a matter of your employer’s goodwill. Consequently, FIFPro has now brought a complaint to the commission seeking to have the current system ruled illegal. In an economic analysis for the union, I found that the transfer system helps cement the dominance of the largest clubs: exorbitant transfer feesact as a barrier to smaller clubs. As a result, a large fraction of transfer fee revenue just circulates among the dominant clubs in Europe.

The idea of abolishing the transfer system makes many football fans weak at the knees; they fear that small clubs that rely on transfer fee income would collapse. There are two responses: first, small clubs depend on transfer revenue far less than fans believe, and the transfer market is of little help when it comes to financial crises because prices fall in a fire sale. Even if a small club occasionally does well out of the system, the second point is far more important: equality before the law is a bedrock principle of liberal democracies. We simply must not deprive one class of people of the rights that the rest of us enjoy just because the victims supply us with entertainment.

The transfer system is nothing less than a global trafficking scheme in human labour — shockingly, it represents an agreement between the representatives of national governments and employers to erase employees’ rights.

https://amp.ft.com/content/86257e1a-7c4c-11e7-ab01-a13271d1ee9c

[mack]

Players who ask to leave their club against owners’ wishes

I think he meant to write "players who refuse to honor their contracts" there. The players union getting power would be just as bad for football as the clubs getting too much power. They would rather a system where any player could just pick & choose clubs at will, ignore contracts, and jump ship at the drop of a hat. All that would result in would be a never ending wage inflation war where clubs have no concrete way to tie down players except by offering them massive & constantly updating contracts.

Not a good thing.

[btron3000]

I hate it when people try to compare sports to "normal" jobs. Sports run on seasons, to allow people to leave at any time - as they can a normal job - would destroy the entire system. Also, the fact that they sign up for a certain amount of years gives them that security. In a "normal" job, if you are not performing, you can be performance-managed out the door. You can't performance manage an under-performing player out of a job - it's a risk on both sides.

Of course there are issues - you should be able to leave almost immediately if you are not paid. But that is a very different thing - using Neymar to introduce a complaint about clubs not playing players is just weird, they're nowhere near the same thing.

[sonar]

9 minutes ago, mack said:

 

 

I think he meant to write "players who refuse to honor their contracts" there. The players union getting power would be just as bad for football as the clubs getting too much power. They would rather a system where any player could just pick & choose clubs at will, ignore contracts, and jump ship at the drop of a hat. All that would result in would be a never ending wage inflation war where clubs have no concrete way to tie down players except by offering them massive & constantly updating contracts.

Not a good thing.

Sonny Bill Wiiliams comes to mind......for eg.

[GunnerWanderer]

Yeah not a fan of the article at all interesting read though

to me it's the type of article that's been sitting in the journo's draw for years and the 200 million Neymar xfer is reason to get it out 

to answer the question how would I feel if My employer got 5 times my wage and I doubled my salary 

pretty **** awesome to be honest 

[sonar]

All is not forgetten or forgiven it seems at Barcelona.....

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/aug/22/barcelona-sue-neymar-world-record-psg-transfer

[Paul01]

Have seen smurfs calling for Vukovic to be the roo GK in the national team.

i pointed out that in 3 games, he has not kept a clean sheet.

Edited August 23, 2017 by Paul01
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[GunnerWanderer]

I watched quite a few vids they were epic 

Arsenal fans embarrassed!  

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[Carns]

I went to school with Erik Paartalu (currently playing in India with Dimas), I don't think he ever thought his football career would take him to North Korea! The life of a footballer, eh?

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41257024