No Contest To FFA Sanction + PFA Ratings

.... Why wouldn't the club contest the charges....

Weak.

Well done to everyone especially the RBB for creating an atmosphere even opposition players admire, we are now the bench mark and opposition supports at their own stadiums have responded,  most are trying to generate a better atmosphere due to what the RBB and the rest of the Wanderers crowd have brought to PARRAdise.

Now lets up the ante this weekend in the derby game.

.... Why wouldn't the club contest the charges....

What's there to fight? MV have to deal with their supporters attacking WSW people, and we have to deal with idiots setting off flares and detonators or whatever thinking it's okay to do so.

Yes, the punishment is stupid, in terms of league points - but the charges are spot on, and we can't contest them.

 

 

.... Why wouldn't the club contest the charges....

What's there to fight? MV have to deal with their supporters attacking WSW people, and we have to deal with idiots setting off flares and detonators or whatever thinking it's okay to do so.

 

Yes, the punishment is stupid, in terms of league points - but the charges are spot on, and we can't contest them.

Yep, plus it's a kangaroo court, why would the FFA overturn their decision after the week or so they've had? They'd look even more stupid. The club probably knew there was no chance.

This obsession with flares does my head in..

This obsession with flares does my head in..

.... Why wouldn't the club contest the charges....

Prob because we are owned by the FFA.

Its like me punching myself in the face.

What's there to fight? MV have to deal with their supporters attacking WSW people, and we have to deal with idiots setting off flares and detonators or whatever thinking it's okay to do so.

 

Yes, the punishment is stupid, in terms of league points - but the charges are spot on, and we can't contest them.

What about randoms doing stuff in the names of other clubs? I.e. randoms ripping flares in the away section wearing the opposition colors?

What about fights taking place outside the control of the clubs? I.e what happens if there is another victory vs syd FC stabbing? Will syd FC get a suspended sentence too?

Home fans ripping flares, even though I have nothing against them, the FFA have made it clear that they won't tolerate them and will do their utmost to get rid of them. Any more of them by anyone at games now aren't football fans or supporters of clubs knowing the penalty dished out.

 

.... Why wouldn't the club contest the charges....

Prob because we are owned by the FFA.

 

Its like me punching myself in the face.

Exactly. There's no way the club owned by the FFA were going to contest a ruling handed down by the FFA.

Anyway, now the clubs are at the mercy of the people who the FFA themselves admit don't care for the club or the sport and cause trouble for selfish reasons.

Wow this really makes me want to attend the next A-league All Stars match. I have now also signed up to Terrace Australis. Cant wait for my inflatable clapper and key ring.

Thank you Mr De Bohun. Your vision has been an inspiration to all idiots. I am now under your complete control.

No fortitude. De bohun can get tae ****.

 

 

.... Why wouldn't the club contest the charges....

Prob because we are owned by the FFA.

 

Its like me punching myself in the face.

Exactly. There's no way the club owned by the FFA were going to contest a ruling handed down by the FFA.

 

Anyway, now the clubs are at the mercy of the people who the FFA themselves admit don't care for the club or the sport and cause trouble for selfish reasons.

 

Think I've just worked out a way for Melbourne Heart to win the premiership >-)

 

What's there to fight? MV have to deal with their supporters attacking WSW people, and we have to deal with idiots setting off flares and detonators or whatever thinking it's okay to do so.

 

Yes, the punishment is stupid, in terms of league points - but the charges are spot on, and we can't contest them.

What about randoms doing stuff in the names of other clubs? I.e. randoms ripping flares in the away section wearing the opposition colors?

 

What about fights taking place outside the control of the clubs? I.e what happens if there is another victory vs syd FC stabbing? Will syd FC get a suspended sentence too?

 

Home fans ripping flares, even though I have nothing against them, the FFA have made it clear that they won't tolerate them and will do their utmost to get rid of them. Any more of them by anyone at games now aren't football fans or supporters of clubs knowing the penalty dished out.

 

Separate issues, that's a problem in hypotheticals and that's something the FFA have to deal with - and as I said, the punishment for such actions, is stupid.

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

And how could they defend the indefensible? Just wave a magic wand.....

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

Mate I completely understand your logic but essentially we would be pissing in the wind.

The club and FFA would want this whole thing to go away as soon as possible. Last thing we need is the media having a frenzy over a fall out, while the Wanderers are in negotiations to be sold.

As mentioned we are owned by FFA anyway. Lyall worked for the FFA. He knows where his bread is buttered, and even if he wanted to say something it would be extremely difficult for him to do so.

Contest: people can accuse the club of supporting violence, bad look for potential sponsors.

No contest: supporters feel like the club doesn't have their backs.

Once the FFA made a massive shitstorm out of it, rather than allow VicPol to investigate and deal with it properly, it became a lose-lose situation. Now De Bohun can go back to shitting on his hands and clapping, saying how he saved football in this country. 

Contest: people can accuse the club of supporting violence, bad look for potential sponsors.

 

No contest: supporters feel like the club doesn't have their backs.

 

Once the FFA made a massive shitstorm out of it, rather than allow VicPol to investigate and deal with it properly, it became a lose-lose situation. Now De Bohun can go back to shitting on his hands and clapping, saying how he saved football in this country.

 

 

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

And how could they defend the indefensible? Just wave a magic wand.....

 

The point is the club doesn't have to defend what is not responsible for. Now that the club (we) has accepted responsibility for previous thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour, we will either have to defend such behaviour or accept responsibility for it. As sure as night turns to day, such behaviour will reoccur (in various degrees) and we'll either be pilloried for condoning the indefensible or condemned as a repeat offender who never learns its lesson. We have boxed ourselves in.... in a box that Houdini would have trouble escaping from. 

 

 

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

And how could they defend the indefensible? Just wave a magic wand.....

 

 

The point is the club doesn't have to defend what is not responsible for. Now that the club (we) has accepted responsibility for previous thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour, we will either have to defend such behaviour or accept responsibility for it. As sure as night turns to day, such behaviour will reoccur (in various degrees) and we'll either be pilloried for condoning the indefensible or condemned as a repeat offender who never learns its lesson. We have boxed ourselves in.... in a box that Houdini would have trouble escaping from. 

 

The FFA had no choice. They were forced to act and now we must live with it. As they have said, which I totally agree with. We do know it's only a minority however we will now find out if these imbeciles are true supporters of football or not. I would be very surprised if another incident occurs and if it did, I would be even more surprised if the perpetrator didn't cop a well deserved flogging for farkin it up for the true football fans on the spot.

What is the definition of "incidents of a significant magnitude" compared to insignificant ones. Is a massive punch up between two people less or more significant than a group of twenty who might have a little push and shove, throw some sticks then run away when police arrive? Is letting off a bunger an incident of significant magnitude? Who judges the significance? The FFA? The clubs? Maybe they can just ask Rebecca Wilson if a certain incident is significant enough, or may Ray Hadley. What if someone throws something at people eating in a resaurant. Is that significant magnitude? Ray Hadley would put it in that category. Or is it only significant if someone gets injured? What if someone starts up a swear chant? I'm sure many haters will say that swearing in front of children is significant anti-social behaviour (Please note the sarcasm here and don't take this all literally). But there is a fine line between what is significant and what isn't. 

And what happens then if clubs do actually lose three points? If it happens again will they keep losing points to see if the sanctions eventually work or will they re-evaluate. 

You can very loosley look at the connection between the FFA and the Wanderers, or the FFA as the head of the A-league.

Think of it it as interconnecting wheels - each affecting the operation of the other.

So what has happened? The FFA f ucked up in its choice of action. It needed to do something yes, but three points suspended will not have the desired outcome.

That makes one wheel "wobble" which affects the rest. WSW feel this disruption caused by the FFA's poor decision try to correct it, but are affected by this "wobble" and in turn make "the least worst decison" to try to correct the course of action. But it is not addressing root causes.

This decision has rammifications down the line to the fans. So you have a system/structure where bad decisions are compounding and having a magnified affect.

The easiest way to stop all these problem is to address the initial problem - the FFA's original decision.

 

 

 

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

And how could they defend the indefensible? Just wave a magic wand.....

 

 

The point is the club doesn't have to defend what is not responsible for. Now that the club (we) has accepted responsibility for previous thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour, we will either have to defend such behaviour or accept responsibility for it. As sure as night turns to day, such behaviour will reoccur (in various degrees) and we'll either be pilloried for condoning the indefensible or condemned as a repeat offender who never learns its lesson. We have boxed ourselves in.... in a box that Houdini would have trouble escaping from. 

 

The FFA had no choice. They were forced to act and now we must live with it. As they have said, which I totally agree with. We do know it's only a minority however we will now find out if these imbeciles are true supporters of football or not. I would be very surprised if another incident occurs and if it did, I would be even more surprised if the perpetrator didn't cop a well deserved flogging for farkin it up for the true football fans on the spot.

 

This opinion of yours has always baffled me... The FFA had no choice?

Back in World Cup 1998 a french policeman was bashed and left in a coma following an attack by German thugs. The Germans offered to withdraw from the World Cup finals. The FIFA president Sepp Blatter came out at the time and said "Football and sport are stronger than hooliganism and violence. We must stay here and play the matches and see it through"

There were plenty of other options, defending true fans was an obvious choice ...

meh in a few weeks it will all be forgotten we will be look towards asia and this will be just another chapter of our history.

 

 

 

 

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

And how could they defend the indefensible? Just wave a magic wand.....

 

 

The point is the club doesn't have to defend what is not responsible for. Now that the club (we) has accepted responsibility for previous thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour, we will either have to defend such behaviour or accept responsibility for it. As sure as night turns to day, such behaviour will reoccur (in various degrees) and we'll either be pilloried for condoning the indefensible or condemned as a repeat offender who never learns its lesson. We have boxed ourselves in.... in a box that Houdini would have trouble escaping from. 

 

The FFA had no choice. They were forced to act and now we must live with it. As they have said, which I totally agree with. We do know it's only a minority however we will now find out if these imbeciles are true supporters of football or not. I would be very surprised if another incident occurs and if it did, I would be even more surprised if the perpetrator didn't cop a well deserved flogging for farkin it up for the true football fans on the spot.

 

 

This opinion of yours has always baffled me... The FFA had no choice?

 

Back in World Cup 1998 a french policeman was bashed and left in a coma following an attack by German thugs. The Germans offered to withdraw from the World Cup finals. The FIFA president Sepp Blatter came out at the time and said "Football and sport are stronger than hooliganism and violence. We must stay here and play the matches and see it through"

 

There were plenty of other options, defending true fans was an obvious choice ...

 

Are you suggesting they should have just ignored it and it will go away?  They are defending true fans, fans who have a right to go to a game and not be scared and have their children terrified by illegal flares and other dangerous explosives and have a right to walk down the road or eat a meal in a pub, club, cafe or wherever they choose without fear of being attacked by gutless cowards. The quicker this element is taken out of the equation the better off our game will be. How can a true football fan not want this?

Annnnnnndddddd coming in at 7th place on the best pitches of the A-League.  ESFC.  It's habit forming that 7th heaven.

It sucks cause 7 is my favourite number. =/

The FFA did have a choi

 

 

 

Of course an appeal would have failed but as a matter of principle and for the record, the club should have appealed. By accepting this sanction, the club has admitted responsibility on behalf of every member for the thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour that has occurred and will occur in the future. I personally don't accept responsibility for such behaviour and I am appalled that the club has accepted responsibility on my behalf. It's a very unwise move and one that has stained every man, woman and child who is a member of the club. Whatever the club's logic and intentions, no good will come of this.

And how could they defend the indefensible? Just wave a magic wand.....

 

 

The point is the club doesn't have to defend what is not responsible for. Now that the club (we) has accepted responsibility for previous thuggish, loutish, idiotic behaviour, we will either have to defend such behaviour or accept responsibility for it. As sure as night turns to day, such behaviour will reoccur (in various degrees) and we'll either be pilloried for condoning the indefensible or condemned as a repeat offender who never learns its lesson. We have boxed ourselves in.... in a box that Houdini would have trouble escaping from. 

 

The FFA had no choice. They were forced to act and now we must live with it. As they have said, which I totally agree with. We do know it's only a minority however we will now find out if these imbeciles are true supporters of football or not. I would be very surprised if another incident occurs and if it did, I would be even more surprised if the perpetrator didn't cop a well deserved flogging for farkin it up for the true football fans on the spot.

 

The FFA did have a choice. It was either accept responsibility/culpability (on behalf of A league clubs) for the thuggish behaviour of individuals or cooperate as best it could with the criminal justice system to root out thugs. Unwisely (naively?) they chose the former and now we must all live with it. I really fail to see how football can magically eliminate something that society can't eliminate. As far as another incident occurring is concerned... prepare to be surprised. Our prisons are full of people who commited extremely serious crimes regardless of the fact that they would receive a much more severe penalty than the football club they "support" losing three points. Flogging perpetrators... you just don't get it. That sort of vigilante, mob rule action would just be painted as yet another example of football rioting/thuggery.

ahh Australia! One of the only few countries in the world to have both the national board in charge of the national team FFA also in charge of the national league!