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    The FFA's massive breach of privacy in allowing their banned supporter list to be leaked to the media is a damning indictment on those who run the league.

     

    Note: I preface this opinion post with a 'disclaimer' that it represents myself only, not the RBB, or Wanderers supporters as a whole, or the members of WSF.

     

    Unless you were living under a rock, you would almost surely have heard this week that repeat drink driving offender and known anti-football troll Rebecca Wilson released a story revealing the names and in many cases, photographs, of various people that Football Federation Australia have given multi-year bans against. The fact that this draconian ban process is replete with cases of wrongful banning, that it includes minors, and that allegedly, that photographs don't always match the name did not matter to Wilson the bottom feeding guttersnipe. 2GB shock jock Alan Jones joined in to equate football supporters with terrorists in a radio interview with Wilson. Jones, a man charged in 2006 with 'outraging public decency' and 'committing an indecent act' in a London public toilet, along with his unethical "Cash for Comment" affair, and finally, a member of the SCG Trust.

     

    The SCG Trust also contains John Hartigan. The partner of one Rebecca Wilson.

     

    I will leave you to draw your own conclusions as to the source of the leak, although well placed sources in the media have stated that it was very unlikely to be either the Police or the FFA itself.

     

    No-one would expect that the truth or natural justice would ever matter to Wilson, as her sole reason for writing about football is to denigrate it, to attack it, and to create click bait articles devoid of journalistic or even common personal integrity. I will not be linking these articles. Nor would it matter to Jones, considering the Cash for Comment affair, where paid advertising was presented by Jones in a manner that suggested editorial and personally supportive commentary, not to mention his hypocrisy when one considers his own personal behaviour (which would be his own business if not for how he goes about denigrating others when evidence is lacking).

     

    The biggest problem is that the FFA does not care. The FFA doesn't care that their bans are often unsupported by evidence. They do not care when the Police admit evidence used to charge and subsequently ban (with information being passed onto the FFA by the Police) a supporter is overturned or shown to be incorrect in a court of law. The FFA do not overturn bans. There is no appeal process. You could have conclusive evidence to show that you were not in the stadium, the state or even the country at the time of the offence, and the FFA would not listen.

     

    There is no appeal. The FFA is judge, jury and executioner, banning innocent people from football, for lengths up to an included several decades. We have gone over this before. Damien De Bohun has repeatedly stated that he 'will listen' to anyone who has a problem. I doubt he has ever made good on his word. The newest failure by the FFA is that they have allowed the banned list to be leaked to the media. They were allegedly aware a week in advance of the original story being written. If so, they did nothing.

     

    The FFA have breached their own privacy guidelines, in allowing the list to be leaked, they have failed to keep control over these highly damaging lists. Which have seen innocent people slandered in the media, labelled regardless of evidence as criminals, and in the case of Jones, likened to terrorists.

     

    The only statement from the FFA thus far is a short sentence which ignores the breach of privacy, fails to defend the supporters of football from these vicious attacks. It as usual, ignores the massive flaws in their banning process, and instead gladhands to the anti-football media and pats itself on the back for having a 'robust' ban process, despite the clear flaws and lack of natural justice inherent in this process.

     

    To the Western Sydney Wanderers, I call on the club to revoke all media access for Daily Telegraph and related employees, and to remove all signage and sponsorship at Wanderers matches. All football supporters should boycott the Daily Telegraph until the day it dies a long overdue death. That trash tabloid needs to lose as much money as possible, and no respectable football supporter should give them a cent.

     

    The FFA's lack of respect and of justice has gone on long enough. I fully expect multiple supporter groups to protest against the FFA. I believe the response to this incredible failure of the FFA to defend football could or should take several forms. I believe that only as a united group, of all supporters, coming together, can any real change be achieved.

     

    The FFA should revoke media access for the Daily Telegraph until an apology is presented. It must defend football supporters from the baseless accusations and comparisons to terrorism by the anti-football media.

     

    The FFA must apologise for allowing these details to be leaked, to investigate where the leak came from and if possible, prosecute the offender. The FFA needs to show all the members of the "football family" that their own personal details are safe against being leaked in a similar manner.

     

    The FFA needs to introduce a neutral appeal process that allows those banned to overturn unjust bans.

     

    Damien De Bohun must resign, it is a disgrace that he has allowed this sensationalist garbage to be spouted on his watch, using details he is meant to protect. If he refuses, I call on new FFA Chairman Steven Lowy to sack De Bohun with immediate effect.

     

    If the FFA fail to take this matter seriously (and sadly, they will not take it seriously at all unless forced to), I have no doubt in my mind that the supporter groups that the FFA take for granted will join together and take action. This action could include but isn't limited to an ongoing boycott of any Australian national team match, a boycott of the FFA owned Newcastle Jets, refusal to participate in active support, a boycott of away matches, and should this go on long enough, a full boycott of all matches and club memberships while the FFA continue to ignore this dire situation.

     

    If it does get that bad, I can only say that the FFA have brought this upon themselves.


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    I'll be there in Gosford next Sunday night to support my team because that's what I do.... :woah::woah::woah:

    The rest, please yourself. Will I go to Allianz Derby, probably not if the majority decide otherwise.

    Will I attend another Socceroos match, never again. :smurfpoint:

    I feel the same way and would add any of the European exhibition games.
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    I'll be there in Gosford next Sunday night to support my team because that's what I do.... :woah: :woah: :woah:

    The rest, please yourself. Will I go to Allianz Derby, probably not if the majority decide otherwise.

    Will I attend another Socceroos match, never again. :smurfpoint:

    I feel the same way and would add any of the European exhibition games.

     

    Ohh Phulease...That goes without saying....I only went to Spurs V ESFC last year as ticket was given to me as a birthday pressie by LeCove daughter. I wouldn't pay for any overseas team coming here for a holiday. :crazy:

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    RBB and the NT have released basically a joint statement.

     

    Will still attend but will walk out at a specific moment. A very good outcome that will force change.

     

    Well done guys.

    Agreed.

     

    Just out of curiousity, does the NT have a presence on fb?

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    RBB and the NT have released basically a joint statement.

     

    Will still attend but will walk out at a specific moment. A very good outcome that will force change.

     

    Well done guys.

     

    Care to post the NT statement?

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    Earlier this week, the privacy of Australian football fans – including many Melbourne Victory supporters – was destroyed when several prominent media outlets published the personal information of people banned under the FFA’s strict and unfair banning system.

    This disgraceful inability to control confidential information – for which the FFA has a declared responsibility – represents a gross miscarriage of justice and is multiplied by the fact it is against fans who already have no avenue to appeal the banning orders against them.
    Where is the justice?

    Days have passed since the articles and photos were published and the FFA has done nothing to explain how the personal details of fans could be leaked and end up on the front page of a major Australian newspaper.
    The FFA must be made accountable.
    After days of discussions among ourselves and fellow supporter groups in Australia, the North Terrace has decided to finally make a strong stance against the FFA’s inaction – and in doing so stand side-by-side with our banned fans who have been left in the dark for far too long.

    At Saturday’s home match against Adelaide United, the North Terrace will empty its area and walk out at a specific moment during the match.
    This is not an attack on our players and our club. We have remained in contact with Melbourne Victory officials throughout the past few days and they are well aware our anger is not directed at them. For the time we are in the stadium, we will give our 100% support to our soldiers on the pitch.
    But some things are bigger than one match of football. We cannot continue to ignore the situation where our basic rights are trodden on and our banned supporters are left in the dark.

    We take this stance in unison with the RBB and other active groups, and we will continue to do so until there is a resolution.

    The FFA need to take the following steps to correct this;
    1. Issue a statement condemning the articles and supporting the fans.
    2. Launch an investigation into how such information was leaked and present the findings to the public in a transparent manner.
    3. Work out and implement an INDEPENDENT & TRANSPARENT APPEALS PROCESS, agreed upon by all parties including every active support group.
    Until these steps are addressed, we will continue to take the action we deem necessary to bring these issues to light, and to ensure the rights and confidentiality of all fans is upheld.
    We will be providing more information in due course on how this action will proceed.

    Love Melbourne. Hate FFA.
    NT’05

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    Odds of ESFC and the Cove joining us St Peters?

    We and NT have stated our actions. If they wish to do the same then good on them. I doubt they will though
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    Odds of ESFC and the Cove joining us St Peters?

    We and NT have stated our actions. If they wish to do the same then good on them. I doubt they will though

    They seem seriously pissed at the breach as well, wanting answers from the SCG trust and their distaste at AJ being on the board.

     

    For once i wouldnt be surprised if the cove did the right thing

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    Too late for the Cove to back paddle now. They've missed the train, even though it would be nice to be on the same page with everyone.

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    @JoFo: 10/10. I owe you a beer.

    Oh yeah!?

     

    Well I'm going buy him more beers. In fact for every beer you buy JoFo, I'm buying him +1

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    Wendy, with all due respect to you but is there any bigger reason that the lack of protection of your privacy that warrants a protest?

     

    I will assume that you have kids (I am sorry if I am wrong). Let's assume they are banned but they wish to protest their innocence. The FFA does not allow them to. Your child's name and photo get smeared over front page of a national newspaper. Your child is in Yr 11 and applies for early entry into UNSW (For example, or let's say wants to get a job). The person in HR or admissions has seen this paper and remembers your child. You know where this story is heading, yeah? All this under the watch of the FFA who do sweet **** all to protect you and your family's privacy.

     

    This may as well not be you, but it may be the kids of the person sitting next to you.

     

    I will use another analogy, which frankly is disgusting but is the only thing that springs to my mind right now.

     

    Remember the Paris attacks? We all felt horrible. Now link it to the Lindt cafe siege. Less victims, but it felt worse to all of us. You know why? Because it happened down the road. Suddenly, we were under threat. Immediate threat. This was the case with 9/11 and the Bali bombings. Both despicable, but one hurt us more than the other.

     

    That's why I'm protesting.

     

    Because yesterday it was the person sitting next to you.

     

    Tomorrow it could be your child or you. The day after it could be me. All this under the watch of a federation who only cares for your wallets and its contents.

     

    This isn't to get rescind the bans of those wrongly banned. This is for the ones who wish to protest their innocence, for protection of our game and for fair treatment. If this isn't good enough than we might as well move over to North Korea and let them do to us whatever they wish.

    Nice post guest.

     

    With this info being released Wendy, you might actually hear the proper stories of these people. Understandably those who were banned weren't always coming forward with their own information due to wishes of privacy, but considering its splashed across Australia now you might get to hear some stories from the banned fans.

     

     

     Hi Guest... I agree with Brad... that is a nice post.  I agree with the argument you've put forward except in one detail.

     

    I state with all sincerity that it the 198 individuals whose privacy has been so disgustingly violated by the DT story wish to mount a class action legal case, I'm 100%happy to chip in to any fund raising campaign to cover their costs. If they get a fighting fund organised,  I'll make the  first donation.

     

    Whether they are guilty or innocent is irrelevant to me.  I would support those people in taking the sort of class action that CaptJess suggested.  The DT is the organisation I'd be targeting.... they would seem to be clearly guilty of unethical conduct.

     

    That's one battle, as I said above.

     

    However, is there any proof that the FFA has been complicit in this?? Sure there's been speculation about Gallop's relationship with RW and the DT.... but that's just speculation.  I'm a bit behind in reading all that's been posted today.... but are FFA responsible for the leak?

     

    ATM all of my contempt is reserved for the media.

     

    If I start to hear credible personal stories about unfair bans.... I might well get on board action against the FFA.... but boycotting games is not the only way to do that.  Contacts and sharing stories with the media (sure a lot is unreceptive) could now be an option. The story has been huge in the media, and I'm sure their stories would now carry more interest in the general public. Big colourful protests outside game day/before and after games etc are other options.

     

    But first, I want to hear the details of those who have been targeted unfairly, and then I want evidence that the FFA are to blame. 

     

    PS The no appeal process is absolutely something that as football supporters we all should condemn. Lack of that sort of procedural fairness is totally unacceptable in the sort of society we live in.

     

    And to Brad.... yes I hope so.

     

     

    The FFA may not as well have leaked it themselves, but they've got responsibility (legal and moral) to protect your privacy. They're failing at that. They're the safekeepers of that data and regardless of how it got out it is their responsibility to maintain its integrity. Hence, they have failed all of us. It is their fault, either directly or indirectly.

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    Wendy, with all due respect to you but is there any bigger reason that the lack of protection of your privacy that warrants a protest?

     

    I will assume that you have kids (I am sorry if I am wrong). Let's assume they are banned but they wish to protest their innocence. The FFA does not allow them to. Your child's name and photo get smeared over front page of a national newspaper. Your child is in Yr 11 and applies for early entry into UNSW (For example, or let's say wants to get a job). The person in HR or admissions has seen this paper and remembers your child. You know where this story is heading, yeah? All this under the watch of the FFA who do sweet **** all to protect you and your family's privacy.

     

    This may as well not be you, but it may be the kids of the person sitting next to you.

     

    I will use another analogy, which frankly is disgusting but is the only thing that springs to my mind right now.

     

    Remember the Paris attacks? We all felt horrible. Now link it to the Lindt cafe siege. Less victims, but it felt worse to all of us. You know why? Because it happened down the road. Suddenly, we were under threat. Immediate threat. This was the case with 9/11 and the Bali bombings. Both despicable, but one hurt us more than the other.

     

    That's why I'm protesting.

     

    Because yesterday it was the person sitting next to you.

     

    Tomorrow it could be your child or you. The day after it could be me. All this under the watch of a federation who only cares for your wallets and its contents.

     

    This isn't to get rescind the bans of those wrongly banned. This is for the ones who wish to protest their innocence, for protection of our game and for fair treatment. If this isn't good enough than we might as well move over to North Korea and let them do to us whatever they wish.

    Nice post guest.

     

    With this info being released Wendy, you might actually hear the proper stories of these people. Understandably those who were banned weren't always coming forward with their own information due to wishes of privacy, but considering its splashed across Australia now you might get to hear some stories from the banned fans.

    Hi Guest... I agree with Brad... that is a nice post. I agree with the argument you've put forward except in one detail.

     

    I state with all sincerity that it the 198 individuals whose privacy has been so disgustingly violated by the DT story wish to mount a class action legal case, I'm 100%happy to chip in to any fund raising campaign to cover their costs. If they get a fighting fund organised, I'll make the first donation.

     

    Whether they are guilty or innocent is irrelevant to me. I would support those people in taking the sort of class action that CaptJess suggested. The DT is the organisation I'd be targeting.... they would seem to be clearly guilty of unethical conduct.

     

    That's one battle, as I said above.

     

    However, is there any proof that the FFA has been complicit in this?? Sure there's been speculation about Gallop's relationship with RW and the DT.... but that's just speculation. I'm a bit behind in reading all that's been posted today.... but are FFA responsible for the leak?

     

    ATM all of my contempt is reserved for the media.

     

    If I start to hear credible personal stories about unfair bans.... I might well get on board action against the FFA.... but boycotting games is not the only way to do that. Contacts and sharing stories with the media (sure a lot is unreceptive) could now be an option. The story has been huge in the media, and I'm sure their stories would now carry more interest in the general public. Big colourful protests outside game day/before and after games etc are other options.

     

    But first, I want to hear the details of those who have been targeted unfairly, and then I want evidence that the FFA are to blame.

     

    PS The no appeal process is absolutely something that as football supporters we all should condemn. Lack of that sort of procedural fairness is totally unacceptable in the sort of society we live in.

     

    And to Brad.... yes I hope so.

    The FFA may not as well have leaked it themselves, but they've got responsibility (legal and moral) to protect your privacy. They're failing at that. They're the safekeepers of that data and regardless of how it got out it is their responsibility to maintain its integrity. Hence, they have failed all of us. It is their fault, either directly or indirectly.

    Its the same if Banking details were published. Whether someone stole them or they cocked up, the bank had an obligation to maintain the privacy of the information

     

     

    I had a quick look at the CCM forum (was interested to see what they think).... Guess what a fair few of them (not all) blame it all on the RBB..bogans

    Woaaahhhh woah woah, hold up! They have the Internet?

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    Wendy, with all due respect to you but is there any bigger reason that the lack of protection of your privacy that warrants a protest?

     

    I will assume that you have kids (I am sorry if I am wrong). Let's assume they are banned but they wish to protest their innocence. The FFA does not allow them to. Your child's name and photo get smeared over front page of a national newspaper. Your child is in Yr 11 and applies for early entry into UNSW (For example, or let's say wants to get a job). The person in HR or admissions has seen this paper and remembers your child. You know where this story is heading, yeah? All this under the watch of the FFA who do sweet **** all to protect you and your family's privacy.

     

    This may as well not be you, but it may be the kids of the person sitting next to you.

     

    I will use another analogy, which frankly is disgusting but is the only thing that springs to my mind right now.

     

    Remember the Paris attacks? We all felt horrible. Now link it to the Lindt cafe siege. Less victims, but it felt worse to all of us. You know why? Because it happened down the road. Suddenly, we were under threat. Immediate threat. This was the case with 9/11 and the Bali bombings. Both despicable, but one hurt us more than the other.

     

    That's why I'm protesting.

     

    Because yesterday it was the person sitting next to you.

     

    Tomorrow it could be your child or you. The day after it could be me. All this under the watch of a federation who only cares for your wallets and its contents.

     

    This isn't to get rescind the bans of those wrongly banned. This is for the ones who wish to protest their innocence, for protection of our game and for fair treatment. If this isn't good enough than we might as well move over to North Korea and let them do to us whatever they wish.

    Nice post guest.

     

    With this info being released Wendy, you might actually hear the proper stories of these people. Understandably those who were banned weren't always coming forward with their own information due to wishes of privacy, but considering its splashed across Australia now you might get to hear some stories from the banned fans.

    Hi Guest... I agree with Brad... that is a nice post. I agree with the argument you've put forward except in one detail.

     

    I state with all sincerity that it the 198 individuals whose privacy has been so disgustingly violated by the DT story wish to mount a class action legal case, I'm 100%happy to chip in to any fund raising campaign to cover their costs. If they get a fighting fund organised, I'll make the first donation.

     

    Whether they are guilty or innocent is irrelevant to me. I would support those people in taking the sort of class action that CaptJess suggested. The DT is the organisation I'd be targeting.... they would seem to be clearly guilty of unethical conduct.

     

    That's one battle, as I said above.

     

    However, is there any proof that the FFA has been complicit in this?? Sure there's been speculation about Gallop's relationship with RW and the DT.... but that's just speculation. I'm a bit behind in reading all that's been posted today.... but are FFA responsible for the leak?

     

    ATM all of my contempt is reserved for the media.

     

    If I start to hear credible personal stories about unfair bans.... I might well get on board action against the FFA.... but boycotting games is not the only way to do that. Contacts and sharing stories with the media (sure a lot is unreceptive) could now be an option. The story has been huge in the media, and I'm sure their stories would now carry more interest in the general public. Big colourful protests outside game day/before and after games etc are other options.

     

    But first, I want to hear the details of those who have been targeted unfairly, and then I want evidence that the FFA are to blame.

     

    PS The no appeal process is absolutely something that as football supporters we all should condemn. Lack of that sort of procedural fairness is totally unacceptable in the sort of society we live in.

     

    And to Brad.... yes I hope so.

    The FFA may not as well have leaked it themselves, but they've got responsibility (legal and moral) to protect your privacy. They're failing at that. They're the safekeepers of that data and regardless of how it got out it is their responsibility to maintain its integrity. Hence, they have failed all of us. It is their fault, either directly or indirectly.
    Its the same if Banking details were published. Whether someone stole them or they cocked up, the bank had an obligation to maintain the privacy of the information

     

     

    I had a quick look at the CCM forum (was interested to see what they think).... Guess what a fair few of them (not all) blame it all on the RBB..bogans

    Woaaahhhh woah woah, hold up! They have the Internet?
    LOL must be the ones working in Sydney!
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     Hi Guest... I agree with Brad... that is a nice post.  I agree with the argument you've put forward except in one detail.

     

    I state with all sincerity that it the 198 individuals whose privacy has been so disgustingly violated by the DT story wish to mount a class action legal case, I'm 100%happy to chip in to any fund raising campaign to cover their costs. If they get a fighting fund organised,  I'll make the  first donation.

     

    Whether they are guilty or innocent is irrelevant to me.  I would support those people in taking the sort of class action that CaptJess suggested.  The DT is the organisation I'd be targeting.... they would seem to be clearly guilty of unethical conduct.

     

    That's one battle, as I said above.

     

    However, is there any proof that the FFA has been complicit in this?? Sure there's been speculation about Gallop's relationship with RW and the DT.... but that's just speculation.  I'm a bit behind in reading all that's been posted today.... but are FFA responsible for the leak?

     

    ATM all of my contempt is reserved for the media.

     

    If I start to hear credible personal stories about unfair bans.... I might well get on board action against the FFA.... but boycotting games is not the only way to do that.  Contacts and sharing stories with the media (sure a lot is unreceptive) could now be an option. The story has been huge in the media, and I'm sure their stories would now carry more interest in the general public. Big colourful protests outside game day/before and after games etc are other options.

     

    But first, I want to hear the details of those who have been targeted unfairly, and then I want evidence that the FFA are to blame. 

     

    PS The no appeal process is absolutely something that as football supporters we all should condemn. Lack of that sort of procedural fairness is totally unacceptable in the sort of society we live in.

     

    And to Brad.... yes I hope so.

     

     

    The FFA may not as well have leaked it themselves, but they've got responsibility (legal and moral) to protect your privacy. They're failing at that. They're the safekeepers of that data and regardless of how it got out it is their responsibility to maintain its integrity. Hence, they have failed all of us. It is their fault, either directly or indirectly.

     

     

    OK... you (and the statements by the RBB and the NT ) do have a good point here.

     

     It IS unacceptable that the FFA have said ....nothing??

     

     I think that the walkout is a much better idea than a boycott.  But I still think that the wider fan base have to be informed about it (whether or not they choose to participate).  And that should involve them learning of the stories such as was published in the Green Left article 

     

    PS Thanks for that article Lloydy. I had read that one before, I now recall.    :good:

     

    PPS I'd still like details about WSW supporters banned when they weren't in attendance at games.... and for ripping flares at backyard birthday parties in the offseason.

     

    These are the sorts of claims that I am curious about.  If I hear the details of these, I will either become incensed to the point of action if they are credible... or.....  :unknw:

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    One example is a fan being banned for apparently lighting a flare during the off season at a party. Again were not charged at all. I can guarantee you as I know the person.

     

    Another was banned for the last Sydney at home game despite not being anywhere near the event which they were supposedly banned for. Again I know the person.

     

    I obviously can't post their names here due to their privacy, but can assure you that is the truth

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    Has the privacy commissioner been informed? What are the ramifications for the Daily Telegraph and the FFA under the privacy act? Are there any lawyers around that might provide some insight?
     
    reading a little bit from here could Mrs drinkdriver have put the Daily Telegraph in the hot-seat..
     
    https://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy-law/rights-and-responsibilities:

     

     

    Who doesn't have responsibilities under the Privacy Act?
    • media organisations acting in the course of journalism if the organisation is publicly committed to observing published privacy standards
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    Happy enough with the statement as it's definitely the first step onto more severe courses of action if requests aren't met. No matter if I wanted even tougher action or not I have and always will support the united decision of the RBB and will attend Gosford and then walk out. Hope those people strongly against any sort of boycott compromise somewhat and walk out with us also. 

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    Has the privacy commissioner been informed? What are the ramifications for the Daily Telegraph and the FFA under the privacy act? Are there any lawyers around that might provide some insight?

     

    Posted in the media thread a few days back. Jess offered these insights.

     

     Posted by CaptainJess on 22 November 2015 - 12:11 PM

     

    I'm no fancy, big city lawyer, but surely Jim Wilson's drunk sister has broken some laws publishing those details?

     

    I'm surprised the FFA hasn't instigated proceedings for breach of confidence. 

     

    For all you non-fancy, big city lawyers (  :cheeky: ) -

     

    The equitable action for breach of confidence may be used to restrict the disclosure of information in certain circumstances. The principle is that the court will ‘restrain the publication of confidential information improperly or surreptitiously obtained or of information imparted in confidence which ought not to be divulged’.

     

    An action for breach of confidence may be brought to restrain disclosure by a third party who has received confidential information. The information may have been communicated in breach of a duty of confidence, or may have come into the hands of the third party by human error.

     

    Surely there has been a leak or human error for an entire dossier to go missing and end up with RW and the DT.

     

    She can technically publish it but it's up to the FFA to assert she can't. 

     

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    I would be worried for the DT and FFA from an individual stand-point as well. If your photo is on the website, lawyer up and go after the FFA for breach of privacy. Also go after RW and the DT for defamation, especially if you had your charges thrown out but your ban hasn't been overturned. I honestly hope people come together like Stpeters suggested. I could see a possible class action in the works.

     

    I have a journalism degree as well as a law degree and I find it funny that such a high-profile journalist like RW seems to also think she is above the MEAA Journalists' Code of Ethics. Everybody in the profession has an obligation of -

     

    - Honesty

    - Fairness

    - Independence

    - Respect for the rights of others

     

    I don't see a lot of respect, honesty or fairness going on in her article. You can actually submit a complaint to the MEAA if you feel a journalist has breached the code. You can find out the process here - http://www.alliance....how-to-complain. I'm not sure much would come from a complaint, however it's probably worth a shot if you've been identified in the article. 

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    I had a quick look at the CCM forum (was interested to see what they think).... Guess what a fair few of them (not all) blame it all on the RBB..bogans

    I can understand their views though, I heard it was a high topic of discussion at Woy Woy Centrelink all week.  :ninja:

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     Hi Guest... I agree with Brad... that is a nice post.  I agree with the argument you've put forward except in one detail.

     

    I state with all sincerity that it the 198 individuals whose privacy has been so disgustingly violated by the DT story wish to mount a class action legal case, I'm 100%happy to chip in to any fund raising campaign to cover their costs. If they get a fighting fund organised,  I'll make the  first donation.

     

    Whether they are guilty or innocent is irrelevant to me.  I would support those people in taking the sort of class action that CaptJess suggested.  The DT is the organisation I'd be targeting.... they would seem to be clearly guilty of unethical conduct.

     

    That's one battle, as I said above.

     

    However, is there any proof that the FFA has been complicit in this?? Sure there's been speculation about Gallop's relationship with RW and the DT.... but that's just speculation.  I'm a bit behind in reading all that's been posted today.... but are FFA responsible for the leak?

     

    ATM all of my contempt is reserved for the media.

     

    If I start to hear credible personal stories about unfair bans.... I might well get on board action against the FFA.... but boycotting games is not the only way to do that.  Contacts and sharing stories with the media (sure a lot is unreceptive) could now be an option. The story has been huge in the media, and I'm sure their stories would now carry more interest in the general public. Big colourful protests outside game day/before and after games etc are other options.

     

    But first, I want to hear the details of those who have been targeted unfairly, and then I want evidence that the FFA are to blame. 

     

    PS The no appeal process is absolutely something that as football supporters we all should condemn. Lack of that sort of procedural fairness is totally unacceptable in the sort of society we live in.

     

    And to Brad.... yes I hope so.

     

     

    The FFA may not as well have leaked it themselves, but they've got responsibility (legal and moral) to protect your privacy. They're failing at that. They're the safekeepers of that data and regardless of how it got out it is their responsibility to maintain its integrity. Hence, they have failed all of us. It is their fault, either directly or indirectly.

     

     

    OK... you (and the statements by the RBB and the NT ) do have a good point here.

     

     It IS unacceptable that the FFA have said ....nothing??

     

     I think that the walkout is a much better idea than a boycott.  But I still think that the wider fan base have to be informed about it (whether or not they choose to participate).  And that should involve them learning of the stories such as was published in the Green Left article 

     

    PS Thanks for that article Lloydy. I had read that one before, I now recall.    :good:

     

    PPS I'd still like details about WSW supporters banned when they weren't in attendance at games.... and for ripping flares at backyard birthday parties in the offseason.

     

    These are the sorts of claims that I am curious about.  If I hear the details of these, I will either become incensed to the point of action if they are credible... or.....  :unknw:

     

     

    I do wish that there was more transparency - I am with you on that one.

     

    Regarding this decision, considering the powder keg went off over the weekend, plus they needed to give a few days of good faith to the FFA that they would respond, plus time to coordinate with the NT and the rest, releasing a Tuesday evening statement is good timing I reckon.

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    I'd say it's no longer a matter of these people wanting to protect their privacy, Legia.

     

    Instead of being shadowy figures mentioned in a whisper here.... if the RBB want people to stand up for those who have been banned unfairly, let them come and tell their stories.

     

     The young guy I referred to on the other thread (wrongly charged and banned based on a flare incident at AAMI)  wanted us to know.... repeatedly posted all the way through his ordeal.  This is perfectly natural to me.

     

    What's so hard to understand about people wanting transparency (exactly the right word Guest) if their their support is being requested?????

     

     If people are angry about being so badly and publicly mistreated, and I absolutely understand that they would be...why aren't they yelling about it from the rooftops??

     

    They don't have to reveal their identities here.  These people referred to here below... come and educate the rest of us.

     

    One example is a fan being banned for apparently lighting a flare during the off season at a party. Again were not charged at all. I can guarantee you as I know the person.

    Another was banned for the last Sydney at home game despite not being anywhere near the event which they were supposedly banned for. Again I know the person.

    I obviously can't post their names here due to their privacy, but can assure you that is the truth

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    Has the privacy commissioner been informed? What are the ramifications for the Daily Telegraph and the FFA under the privacy act? Are there any lawyers around that might provide some insight?

     

    reading a little bit from here could Mrs drinkdriver have put the Daily Telegraph in the hot-seat..

     

    https://www.oaic.gov.au/privacy-law/rights-and-responsibilities:

     

    Who doesn't have responsibilities under the Privacy Act?

    • media organisations acting in the course of journalism if the organisation is publicly committed to observing published privacy standards

     

    Posted in the media thread a few days back. Jess offered these insights.

     

     Posted by CaptainJess on 22 November 2015 - 12:11 PM

     

    Jacko2759, on 22 Nov 2015 - 10:47 AM, said:snapback.png

    I'm no fancy, big city lawyer, but surely Jim Wilson's drunk sister has broken some laws publishing those details?

     

    I'm surprised the FFA hasn't instigated proceedings for breach of confidence. 

     

    For all you non-fancy, big city lawyers (  :cheeky: ) -

     

    The equitable action for breach of confidence may be used to restrict the disclosure of information in certain circumstances. The principle is that the court will ‘restrain the publication of confidential information improperly or surreptitiously obtained or of information imparted in confidence which ought not to be divulged’.

     

    An action for breach of confidence may be brought to restrain disclosure by a third party who has received confidential information. The information may have been communicated in breach of a duty of confidence, or may have come into the hands of the third party by human error.

     

    Surely there has been a leak or human error for an entire dossier to go missing and end up with RW and the DT.

     

    She can technically publish it but it's up to the FFA to assert she can't. 

     

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    I would be worried for the DT and FFA from an individual stand-point as well. If your photo is on the website, lawyer up and go after the FFA for breach of privacy. Also go after RW and the DT for defamation, especially if you had your charges thrown out but your ban hasn't been overturned. I honestly hope people come together like Stpeters suggested. I could see a possible class action in the works.

     

    I have a journalism degree as well as a law degree and I find it funny that such a high-profile journalist like RW seems to also think she is above the MEAA Journalists' Code of Ethics. Everybody in the profession has an obligation of -

     

    - Honesty

    - Fairness

    - Independence

    - Respect for the rights of others

     

    I don't see a lot of respect, honesty or fairness going on in her article. You can actually submit a complaint to the MEAA if you feel a journalist has breached the code. You can find out the process here - http://www.alliance....how-to-complain. I'm not sure much would come from a complaint, however it's probably worth a shot if you've been identified in the article. 

     

     

    In addition to my thoughts above I will explain a little bit further. 

     

    Before I start, DISCLAIMER: This is all very general information. I do not know the full facts and any legal challenge could have multiple outcomes depending on a lot of different things which I won't even begin to delve into. If you are identified in the article and reading this, speak to a lawyer with a speciality in this area (which I am not). 

     

    Now, in regards to privacy and media organisations, they unfortunately are pretty untouchable. There are various media exemptions, the main one in the Privacy Act which DomJ pointed out plus many others. A lot of time if there was a question on privacy, the general line is "it was in the public interest".

     

    This is why a lot of media can do undercover/surveillance pieces even trespass illegally (think Four Corners - Greyhound Live Baiting) and still publish stories with illegally obtained information/footage. The public interest defence is pretty broad. Off the top of my head, the few things that have have been successfully challenged are issues like national security etc. 

     

    As I said above, you could possibly get a defamation case up and going against the DT. You would have to prove the following among other things -

     

    - It is likely to injure the reputation of the plaintiff by exposing him or her to hatred, contempt or ridicule.

    - It contains a statement about the plaintiff which would tend to make the plaintiff be shunned or avoided.

    - It has a tendency to lower the plaintiff in the estimation of others.

     

    The FFA on other hand would have to comply with the 17 Australian Privacy Principles. These are relatively new (March 2014) so I'm not completely up-to date with them but from my quick research, the FFA would need to comply with them or could face pretty hefty damages (possibly millions $$$). The main APP which I think applies in this situation is No. 11Security of Personal Information. 

     

    If an entity holds personal information, the entity must take such steps as are reasonable in the circumstances to protect the information:

     

    - from misuse, interference and loss; and

    - from unauthorised access, modification or disclosure.

     

    I think a legal challenge is worthwhile, if anything you may get a settlement. I'd love to see it happen but I understand and sympathise with how expensive it is. Both the DT and FFA have deep pockets. Maybe a conditional cost arrangement could be made. Something to consider at least. 

     

    I hope it gives you a bit more of an insight. As I said above, this isn't my area and I'm not providing advice, just a bit of general background/knowledge. 

     

     

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