Police, Security & Supporter Discussion Part 2

[MartinTyler]

8 minutes ago, jockman said:

So no progress without police participation. 

I support the RBB 100%, this seems to show nsw police unwillingness to come to the table, perhaps that would mean them conceeding some responsibility...

If stalemate continues and police do not participate I guess that's the end of RBB attendance indefinitely.. 

Perhaps part of  the police grand plan. Effectively the end of active support at wsw...?

It's a distinct possibility. Be interesting to see what the police numbers are at the derby next week if the RBB say they are not attending.

[StringerBellend]

Here is the problem the RBB protest basically gives the cops what they want 

[GE942150]

12 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Here is the problem the RBB protest basically gives the cops what they want 

Exactly. They are wasting their time. If the police wouldn't show up last night when everyone else did, then what makes them think they will show up at another meeting? 

Edited April 5, 2024 by GE942150

[StringerBellend]

It feels a bit like if my kids protested their bedtime by going to bed early 

[Davo]

Said it in another thread, but why would the police want them gone? The RBB is their meal ticket. They get to send a battalion of cops to a cushy afternoon at the football and it doesn't come out of their budget as the club pays for it.

[Sithslayer1991]

All I can say its a dick move from the Police, however it is a negotiating tactic but such a dick move when all parties want this resolved. 

[jockman]

2 hours ago, MartinTyler said:

It's a distinct possibility. Be interesting to see what the police numbers are at the derby next week if the RBB say they are not attending.

Reckon they will still be out in force...cos aren't all us westies. High risk...

[VedranRozic]

The cops definitely need to be held accountable. Not turning up to the meeting is bad (including for them) and the club should be in contact with the pollies on this.

i also think it is high time the APL put a focus on policing including the cost. I reckon there would be some journos that might take a look given it basically amounts to a protection racket.

But not turning up to the game is not the way to protest this. We are at a critical point of the season. The RBB play an important role in motivating the players. The club has - for once - been doing the right thing. 
 

Not turning up tonight means the cops win and we lose - possibly quite literally.

[Sithslayer1991]

19 minutes ago, VedranRozic said:

The cops definitely need to be held accountable. Not turning up to the meeting is bad (including for them) and the club should be in contact with the pollies on this.

i also think it is high time the APL put a focus on policing including the cost. I reckon there would be some journos that might take a look given it basically amounts to a protection racket.

But not turning up to the game is not the way to protest this. We are at a critical point of the season. The RBB play an important role in motivating the players. The club has - for once - been doing the right thing. 
 

Not turning up tonight means the cops win and we lose - possibly quite literally.

True but you also need to account for safety risk as well. The reality is that they are impeded from supporting the team because the police can at any given moment start harrassing people trying to enjoy the game with zero repercussions. You are right I would like them to be there, but I also get from their perspective why they want to stay away and it safety for their members as well as non members. 

What I like is the new approach from RBB is it is backed by the club to reach a conclusion. They are trying to go about this doing the right thing so that everyone is safe when they attend a game at Parramatta and enjoying the experience. 

[MartinTyler]

56 minutes ago, jockman said:

Reckon they will still be out in force...cos aren't all us westies. High risk...

At FCs expense?

[StringerBellend]

48 minutes ago, VedranRozic said:

 

i also think it is high time the APL put a focus on policing including the cost. I reckon there would be some journos that might take a look given it basically amounts to a protection racket.

 

Australian Journos? 

 

[VedranRozic]

7 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Australian Journos? 

 

There are one, maybe two good ones left. It’s potentially a big story because I reckon it goes to other codes as well.

[Cynth]

18 hours ago, VedranRozic said:

There are one, maybe two good ones left. It’s potentially a big story because I reckon it goes to other codes as well.

I reckon it’s mostly our code not others. They can justify large numbers of police by vilifying the fans, especially active support and making us all out to be dangerous. It’s a football prejudice. 

[Zakman]

21 hours ago, StringerBellend said:

It feels a bit like if my kids protested their bedtime by going to bed early 

I can't see what is to be gained by this boycott continuing. It works if it is aimed at the club and forces them to support the RBB but if it is aimed against the police, they really wouldn't give a rat's if the RBB shows up or not. Or you are doing is punishing the club who, it appears, have been nothing but supportive on this issue.

Edited April 5, 2024 by Zakman

[Davo]

Is the club really going to push as hard for changes in policing if the RBB stops their boycott?

[StringerBellend]

1 hour ago, Cynth said:

I reckon it’s mostly our code not others. They can justify large numbers of police by vilifying the fans, especially active support and making us all out to be dangerous. It’s a football prejudice. 

It's racist 

sokkah is 'other' to our media 

 

[MartinTyler]

1 hour ago, Davo said:

Is the club really going to push as hard for changes in policing if the RBB stops their boycott?

Not sure how hard they can push though. Police not fronting the meeting is not a good sign. 

[Davo]

3 hours ago, MartinTyler said:

Not sure how hard they can push though. Police not fronting the meeting is not a good sign. 

Right now it’s the club and the RBB trying. If the RBB comes back I suspect it’ll then become just the RBB trying.

The club might not be able to do much but it’s more than nothing.

[Edinburgh]

Dont understimate the  Club's commitment to achieving change. The limit on what the Club might achieve is lower than the limit on how hard they'll try.

[Davo]

They’ll try, but the limit on how hard they’ll try when there’s no atmosphere in the ground and the active bays are empty is higher than how hard they’ll try when the RBB is back.

[StringerBellend]

6 minutes ago, Davo said:

They’ll try, but the limit on how hard they’ll try when there’s no atmosphere in the ground and the active bays are empty is higher than how hard they’ll try when the RBB is back.

Why don't the rest of the crowd make a noise?

I still don't get this organised atmosphere 

 

[Davo]

8 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

Why don't the rest of the crowd make a noise?

I still don't get this organised atmosphere 

 

Nobody’s saying they can’t.

[StringerBellend]

19 minutes ago, Davo said:

Nobody’s saying they can’t.

But we don't do we?

 

[WHACKO]

First off you need a crowd to make noise. 

In a stadium of 30 000 it's hard to make a noise when you only get 6000 or the 9000 they say we get.

Secondly it would help if the team gave you something to make a noise about. They haven't won a game at home all season have they, if they have who can remember when.

[Davo]

4 minutes ago, WHACKO said:

First off you need a crowd to make noise. 

In a stadium of 30 000 it's hard to make a noise when you only get 6000 or the 9000 they say we get.

Secondly it would help if the team gave you something to make a noise about. They haven't won a game at home all season have they, if they have who can remember when.

The last win at home was the 1-0 over City in mid January, although technically that was an away game as part of that unite round.

The last win in a game where we were the official home team was New Year’s Day, 3-1 against Macarthur.

[WHACKO]

2 minutes ago, Davo said:

The last win at home was the 1-0 over City in mid January, although technically that was an away game as part of that unite round.

The last win in a game where we were the official home team was New Year’s Day, 3-1 against Macarthur.

Yes... so not much to make an noise about. 

[pseudonym]

39 minutes ago, StringerBellend said:

But we don't do we

Our name is more than two syllables

Makes it hard to start a chant

Bull-dogs (clapclap)

Carl-ton (clapclap)

[StringerBellend]

9 minutes ago, Davo said:

The last win at home was the 1-0 over City in mid January, although technically that was an away game as part of that unite round.

The last win in a game where we were the official home team was New Year’s Day, 3-1 against Macarthur.

Fair enough 

It's well grim isn't it 

 

[StringerBellend]

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Edited April 6, 2024 by StringerBellend

[braad]

So, for contrast I went to the Sydney Bears vs Sydney Ice Dogs Ice Hockey match at Macquarie Ice Rink this afternoon. The venue apparently holds 2000, and was a sellout, but it wouldn’t have been that many. 5pm puck drop (aka “kick off” time). Shopping centre was busy, there was a huge line before the doors open (down to, and across BigW), but no hassles.

The Sports Minister did the ceremonial puck drop.

 

I get it’s a much smaller crowd than A-League, but there were no cops, no visible security. Lots of alcohol sold in cans, freedom to roam all over the place (I was literally standing right behind the players at one point, no barriers between us). 
 

it was a surreal experience not having the threat of authority looming. It’s like a palette cleanser